You're probably going to reject this but I've heard of it in documentaries on TV in the UK a few times:
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=6288
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=6288
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j07950 said:You're probably going to reject this but I've heard of it in documentaries on TV in the UK a few times:
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=6288
You're not going to find that anywhere because you can't say that and not get sued...you know that.dilloduck said:And where does it say we went to war so Cheney could make money?
j07950 said:You're not going to find that anywhere because you can't say that and not get sued...you know that.
According to Molly Ivins of the salt lake tribune:
Between 1997 and 2000, while Dick Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, the company sold $73 million worth of oil field equipment and services to Saddam Hussein.
At least Halliburton was not selling luxury cars to the Baathist elite. Halliburton, the oilfield equipment company, merely kept Saddam Hussein's oil fields pumping, the only thing that allowed the s.o.b. to stay in power. Halliburton cleverly ran its business with Saddam through two of its subsidiaries, Dresser Rand and Ingersoll-Dresser, in order to avoid the sanctions.
Unlike the Germans, the French and the Russians, Halliburton was not punished by the Bush administration for dealing with the dictator. Instead, it got the largest reconstruction contract given by this administration, with an estimated value between $5 billion and $15 billion. And the company got the contract without competitive bidding
j07950 said:I bet that's bull shit and doesn't explain why halliburton got the contracts right?
j07950 said:You're not going to find that anywhere because you can't say that and not get sued...you know that.
According to Molly Ivins of the salt lake tribune:
Between 1997 and 2000, while Dick Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, the company sold $73 million worth of oil field equipment and services to Saddam Hussein.
At least Halliburton was not selling luxury cars to the Baathist elite. Halliburton, the oilfield equipment company, merely kept Saddam Hussein's oil fields pumping, the only thing that allowed the s.o.b. to stay in power. Halliburton cleverly ran its business with Saddam through two of its subsidiaries, Dresser Rand and Ingersoll-Dresser, in order to avoid the sanctions.
Unlike the Germans, the French and the Russians, Halliburton was not punished by the Bush administration for dealing with the dictator. Instead, it got the largest reconstruction contract given by this administration, with an estimated value between $5 billion and $15 billion. And the company got the contract without competitive bidding
j07950 said:I bet that's bull shit and doesn't explain why halliburton got the contracts right?
j07950 said:Ok so what about:
Halliburton is probably not the only company that can get the job done in Iraq. Because Halliburton was given the opportunity without granting other companies to bid on Iraq reconstruction, it's tough to know for sure. Why the favoritism? Some have suggested a personal profit motivation on the part of the vice president, who continues to receive deferred compensation worth $150,000 a year. He retains Halliburton stock options worth more than $18 million.
http://subvatican.com/democrat/halliburton.html
Regarding the statistics....The premise is that the statistics show "excess mortality" based on the fact that mortality rates from a "reasonably well run country" would be much lower. Indeed, the author, in other articles, shows that mortality rates for modern nations (specifically North America and Europe) are much lower. I have no argument with thatj07950 said:Thats fair, but the stats still stand for themselves...
That's faire...I was only interested in the money figures...CSM said:Regarding the statistics....The premise is that the statistics show "excess mortality" based on the fact that mortality rates from a "reasonably well run country" would be much lower. Indeed, the author, in other articles, shows that mortality rates for modern nations (specifically North America and Europe) are much lower. I have no argument with that
Where I take issue is the author tries to portray "excess mortality" as soley the US's fault. I should mention that prior to recent events in Iraq, the author used similar statistics and the idea of "excess mortality" to blame Australia for the issues in Indonesia. The author also used the same tactic regarding the UK and India.
The point I am trying to make here and the reason I reject the article (and past articles) is that the author has ignored the very premise on which the statistics are presented....a reasonably well run country as compared to what? If we use the US, Australia and European nations as a baseline, it seems to me that the statistics support the idea that democratic modern nations have lower mortality rates than Third world countries with other forms of government....In other words, I disagree with the conclusion the author reaches and not the statistics per say.
You should also know that the history of the aforementioned author shows the individual to be a political activist with much anti American, anti-Semite, and in some cases, anti European leanings. The author is VERY pro-Muslim as well.
j07950 said:Sen. Frank Lautenberg said $205,298 was paid to Cheney in deferred salary by Halliburton in 2001, and $162,392 last year. Lautenberg said Halliburton stock options held by Cheney were 100,000 shares at $54.50 per share, 33,333 shares at $28.125 and 300,000 shares at $39.50 per share.
How do you knwo it's the only company abale to do it since there was no bid for the job. You're just assuming this.
j07950 said:Really enjoyed the discussion but I've got work to do guys...I'll be back...got essays for next monday...
kind of sounds like you dont go to war for nothing. to hell with other countries as long as frogville makes out for the betterj07950 said:Because we don't do war for nothing, we're in an age when wars have done so much damage that we think it is wiser to try and find alternatives, obviously you go dive head first into it whenever possible.
exactly, it will be a cold day in hell before i travel outside the US againCSM said:I didn't want to learn another language because I didn't need to...you are absolutely correect...so what?
j07950 said:How do you knwo it's the only company abale to do it since there was no bid for the job. You're just assuming this.
j07950 said:you people think the rest of the world is going to make the effort to learn english and follow you.