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    US warns EU over China embargo

    BIG BRAWL?: Pentagon officials are unimpressed with the prospect of the Chinese military killing Americans with weapons from Europe, and will act to prevent it

    AFP , LONDON
    Saturday, Dec 25, 2004,Page 1

    The US is ready to hold back military technology from Euro-pean allies over EU steps to revoke its arms embargo on China, the Financial Times reported yesterday.

    The British financial daily quoted unnamed Pentagon officials who said the US would likely withdraw government backing for measures to improve military technology transfers to European countries if the EU begins to sell arms to China.

    At a Brussels summit on Dec. 17, EU leaders declared their "political will" to lift an arms embargo on China, possibly by next June, while stressing that Beijing must respect human rights and regional stability.

    "This has the potential to be a big brawl," an anonymous senior Pentagon official involved in Chinese policy told the Financial Times. "They're talking about helping the Chinese kill Americans more effectively. This is not what Europe should be doing."

    Another official told the newspaper: "If a situation arises where European systems are pointed [by China] at American personnel and platforms, one cannot just assume we're going to continue our arms sales.

    "Efforts we've made to open, widen, deepen transatlantic defense industrial trade are going to be circumscribed," the officials said.

    EU leaders said after summit talks that they were "looking forward to further progress in all areas" of the 25-nation bloc's relationship with China, hoping for greater economic cooperation with a country whose economy has grown in leaps and bounds since the arms embargo was imposed in the wake of the 1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre.

    The Financial Times said that Britain stands to be the hardest hit by any US retaliation over any EU moves to sell military technology to China.

    British firms BAE Systems and Rolls-Royce are the Pentagon's two biggest suppliers.

    Britain has an increasing reliance on US military technology, having won backing from the US Congress three months ago for special preferred status when applying to gain access to US military technology.

    EU countries like France and Germany -- both major arms exporters -- agree with China that the ban is "outdated."

    But the US argued that a resumption of European arms sales will undermine Taiwan and encourage domestic repression in China.

    China wants access to cutting-edge technology to upgrade its weapons systems and to reduce its reliance on Russian exports, analysts said.

    They said that with the US intent on maintaining its own arms embargo on China, Europe is the only other outlet capable of offering high-tech systems such as radars and sonars coveted in Beijing.


    France and Germany have no qualms about siding with despots and tyrants when it suits them. They ae even more inclined to do so when those despots and tyrants are in direct opposition to US interests.
     
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    CSM, you mean often that I'm close minded, but you're more, and also paranoiac !

    France and Germany's aim is not the fall of USA.
    France and Germany have better proprities and occupations !

    And for the country who support bloody dictators......you're not the best country to make moral lessons about it, you did it maybe more than the other countries.
     
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    Nah, France and Germany have both been around much longer and have supported more Dictators and Despots than the US sometimes even in their own countries.

    We are quickly catching up, but they still have the win in that regard....

    The point is sometimes politics make strange bedfellows, lately it appears that France simply is attempting to be contrary so that they can be considered powerful in their own right not because of major differences of belief. This is being done regardless of the natural fit as allies and that we are allies (see NATO). France is doing this because they want to position themselves as the de facto leader of the EU.
     
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    France and Germany are already the leaders of Europe.................................

    WWII, again................boring.

    oh, don't be so sure...USA have a good level at it too.
    Only in South Amreica and Central America, the USA are propbably better at this kind of thing.
    So, afetr, add Africa and Asia......whow !
    Champion USA
     
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    As I said, politics make strange bedfellows. And they aren't the indisputed leaders of the EU. Positioning themselves in strength they are more likely to be the ones that end up being the leaders but it has not yet been settled that other countries are willing to put up with it.
     
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    The solution is to point out that if European systems are transferred to China, then American systems will be pointed at Paris, Berlin, and Madrid. Maybe then the French public will comprehend the idiocy of its government's foreign policy (but probably not). Let's see exactly how much France wants a "multi-polar world."

    Of course this statement is false.

    And cause the Japanese to re-arm...big time. Possibly with nukes.

    No question about that. Thus we should end mil-tech transfers to Europe and any other country with Euro-sympathies, get our troops out of Germany, and park carrier battle groups off the coast of France.
     
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    For your bright idea of a naval force and carrier near the french coast....you can't, dear.
    Look at the maritim rules.....


    And look at the french fleet.

    And post your carrier everywhere, at usefull place. North Korea ?
     
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    One is already there.

    I would love to see your "fleet" do something about it. LOL.
     
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    Do not call me "dear." Since when have the French been concerned with "rules?" Soon, the French will understand that their lust for a "multipolar world" will have very negative ramifications. Go ahead, transfer French weapons systems to China. Just get prepared for the consequences...like having American systems pointed at Paris. God, I miss the Cold War. At least the Russians were sane. The French are irrational.
     
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    They are not irrational, their current leadership is willing to sell his soul for more power for France regardless of common belief and a natural fit for allies he has begun to position France as an enemy so that there can be a "counterweight". In so doing they are willing to give unnatural allies power such as weapons systems.

    The French people are being convinced by their leaders to follow a path that may lead them where they never imagined they were going.
     
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