Our elite forces killed "by" the Taliban

[Liability]

If this is the wrong thread, I'm sorry. Moving it is fine by me.

On the subject of our SEAL Team 6 forces killed in the crash of the helicopter, it dawned on me that the whole thing was suspicious.

In fact, I thought I had posted this thought earlier, but maybe I never submitted it?

Here's my concern. The SEAL Team was sent in to rescue another Seal Team in jeopardy. The rescue team, consisting of the same TEAM ( members of Seal Team 6, albeit not the same actual forces) who took-out Osama bin Laden, then got attacked by the Taliban. This made me wonder if maybe the other SEAL Team had gotten attacked PURELY to cause the rescue mission which was the actual intended target?

I figure that the Taliban isn't nearly sophisticated enough to pull that off. SO, I am assuming agents with access to some of our intel in the region may have assisted the Taliban.

I am fully prepared to suspect Pakistan (or some of its military intelligence folks, anyway) since we "embarrassed" them by taking-out Osama bin Laden without their prior knowledge (and despite their sovereignty concerns).

Too conspiratorial? Or does anybody else smell a similar rat in all of what just happened over in Afghanistan?

 

[Full-Auto]

If this is the wrong thread, I'm sorry. Moving it is fine by me.

On the subject of our SEAL Team 6 forces killed in the crash of the helicopter, it dawned on me that the whole thing was suspicious.

In fact, I thought I had posted this thought earlier, but maybe I never submitted it?

Here's my concern. The SEAL Team was sent in to rescue another Seal Team in jeopardy. The rescue team, consisting of the same TEAM ( members of Seal Team 6, albeit not the same actual forces) who took-out Osama bin Laden, then got attacked by the Taliban. This made me wonder if maybe the other SEAL Team had gotten attacked PURELY to cause the rescue mission which was the actual intended target?

I figure that the Taliban isn't nearly sophisticated enough to pull that off. SO, I am assuming agents with access to some of our intel in the region may have assisted the Taliban.

I am fully prepared to suspect Pakistan (or some of its military intelligence folks, anyway) since we "embarrassed" them by taking-out Osama bin Laden without their prior knowledge (and despite their sovereignty concerns).

Too conspiratorial? Or does anybody else smell a similar rat in all of what just happened over in Afghanistan?

Why werent they escorted by gun ships? STUPID STUPID STUPID

 

[Liability]

If this is the wrong thread, I'm sorry. Moving it is fine by me.

On the subject of our SEAL Team 6 forces killed in the crash of the helicopter, it dawned on me that the whole thing was suspicious.

In fact, I thought I had posted this thought earlier, but maybe I never submitted it?

Here's my concern. The SEAL Team was sent in to rescue another Seal Team in jeopardy. The rescue team, consisting of the same TEAM ( members of Seal Team 6, albeit not the same actual forces) who took-out Osama bin Laden, then got attacked by the Taliban. This made me wonder if maybe the other SEAL Team had gotten attacked PURELY to cause the rescue mission which was the actual intended target?

I figure that the Taliban isn't nearly sophisticated enough to pull that off. SO, I am assuming agents with access to some of our intel in the region may have assisted the Taliban.

I am fully prepared to suspect Pakistan (or some of its military intelligence folks, anyway) since we "embarrassed" them by taking-out Osama bin Laden without their prior knowledge (and despite their sovereignty concerns).

Too conspiratorial? Or does anybody else smell a similar rat in all of what just happened over in Afghanistan?

Why werent they escorted by gun ships? STUPID STUPID STUPID

I don't know. I just don't get this one. Maybe we are simply spread too thin?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

If this is the wrong thread, I'm sorry. Moving it is fine by me.

On the subject of our SEAL Team 6 forces killed in the crash of the helicopter, it dawned on me that the whole thing was suspicious.

In fact, I thought I had posted this thought earlier, but maybe I never submitted it?

Here's my concern. The SEAL Team was sent in to rescue another Seal Team in jeopardy. The rescue team, consisting of the same TEAM ( members of Seal Team 6, albeit not the same actual forces) who took-out Osama bin Laden, then got attacked by the Taliban. This made me wonder if maybe the other SEAL Team had gotten attacked PURELY to cause the rescue mission which was the actual intended target?

I figure that the Taliban isn't nearly sophisticated enough to pull that off. SO, I am assuming agents with access to some of our intel in the region may have assisted the Taliban.

I am fully prepared to suspect Pakistan (or some of its military intelligence folks, anyway) since we "embarrassed" them by taking-out Osama bin Laden without their prior knowledge (and despite their sovereignty concerns).

Too conspiratorial? Or does anybody else smell a similar rat in all of what just happened over in Afghanistan?

Just another example of why partnering up with any Mid-East country will always be equally detrimental as beneficial.
When I saw this I too thought one of two things happened - the Taliban got incredibly lucky, or they were assisted by intelligence from a faction within Pakistan.
Both are possible.

 

[8537]

If this is the wrong thread, I'm sorry. Moving it is fine by me.

On the subject of our SEAL Team 6 forces killed in the crash of the helicopter, it dawned on me that the whole thing was suspicious.

In fact, I thought I had posted this thought earlier, but maybe I never submitted it?

Here's my concern. The SEAL Team was sent in to rescue another Seal Team in jeopardy. The rescue team, consisting of the same TEAM ( members of Seal Team 6, albeit not the same actual forces) who took-out Osama bin Laden, then got attacked by the Taliban. This made me wonder if maybe the other SEAL Team had gotten attacked PURELY to cause the rescue mission which was the actual intended target?

I figure that the Taliban isn't nearly sophisticated enough to pull that off. SO, I am assuming agents with access to some of our intel in the region may have assisted the Taliban.

I am fully prepared to suspect Pakistan (or some of its military intelligence folks, anyway) since we "embarrassed" them by taking-out Osama bin Laden without their prior knowledge (and despite their sovereignty concerns).

Too conspiratorial? Or does anybody else smell a similar rat in all of what just happened over in Afghanistan?

Why werent they escorted by gun ships? STUPID STUPID STUPID

Would it be normal for SEALS to be escorted by gun ships? Or would they typically be trying to stay more under-the-radar?

in any case, thoughts and prayers to the families.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If this is the wrong thread, I'm sorry. Moving it is fine by me.

On the subject of our SEAL Team 6 forces killed in the crash of the helicopter, it dawned on me that the whole thing was suspicious.

In fact, I thought I had posted this thought earlier, but maybe I never submitted it?

Here's my concern. The SEAL Team was sent in to rescue another Seal Team in jeopardy. The rescue team, consisting of the same TEAM ( members of Seal Team 6, albeit not the same actual forces) who took-out Osama bin Laden, then got attacked by the Taliban. This made me wonder if maybe the other SEAL Team had gotten attacked PURELY to cause the rescue mission which was the actual intended target?

I figure that the Taliban isn't nearly sophisticated enough to pull that off. SO, I am assuming agents with access to some of our intel in the region may have assisted the Taliban.

I am fully prepared to suspect Pakistan (or some of its military intelligence folks, anyway) since we "embarrassed" them by taking-out Osama bin Laden without their prior knowledge (and despite their sovereignty concerns).

Too conspiratorial? Or does anybody else smell a similar rat in all of what just happened over in Afghanistan?

Why werent they escorted by gun ships? STUPID STUPID STUPID

Would it be normal for SEALS to be escorted by gun ships? Or would they typically be trying to stay more under-the-radar?

in any case, thoughts and prayers to the families.

Normal military protocol would seem to require some cover for a HUGE ASS helicopter that can carry 40 troops. If it was, as the picture suggests a helicopter I know it had door gunners but it is HUGE.

However that said, gunships would not keep a hidden force from firing on the specific helicopter as it came in range. Someone in intel bungled by sending a heli borne force in one huge helicopter.

 

[hjmick]

Think Mogadishu.

 

[Full-Auto]

If this is the wrong thread, I'm sorry. Moving it is fine by me.

On the subject of our SEAL Team 6 forces killed in the crash of the helicopter, it dawned on me that the whole thing was suspicious.

In fact, I thought I had posted this thought earlier, but maybe I never submitted it?

Here's my concern. The SEAL Team was sent in to rescue another Seal Team in jeopardy. The rescue team, consisting of the same TEAM ( members of Seal Team 6, albeit not the same actual forces) who took-out Osama bin Laden, then got attacked by the Taliban. This made me wonder if maybe the other SEAL Team had gotten attacked PURELY to cause the rescue mission which was the actual intended target?

I figure that the Taliban isn't nearly sophisticated enough to pull that off. SO, I am assuming agents with access to some of our intel in the region may have assisted the Taliban.

I am fully prepared to suspect Pakistan (or some of its military intelligence folks, anyway) since we "embarrassed" them by taking-out Osama bin Laden without their prior knowledge (and despite their sovereignty concerns).

Too conspiratorial? Or does anybody else smell a similar rat in all of what just happened over in Afghanistan?

Why werent they escorted by gun ships? STUPID STUPID STUPID

Would it be normal for SEALS to be escorted by gun ships? Or would they typically be trying to stay more under-the-radar?

in any case, thoughts and prayers to the families.

They were in transport not tactical.

 

[8537]

Why werent they escorted by gun ships? STUPID STUPID STUPID

Would it be normal for SEALS to be escorted by gun ships? Or would they typically be trying to stay more under-the-radar?

in any case, thoughts and prayers to the families.

Normal military protocol would seem to require some cover for a HUGE ASS helicopter that can carry 40 troops. If it was, as the picture suggests a helicopter I know it had door gunners but it is HUGE.

However that said, gunships would not keep a hidden force from firing on the specific helicopter as it came in range. Someone in intel bungled by sending a heli borne force in one huge helicopter.

Thanks for the explanation.

 

[TruthSeeker56]

Yep, it's definitely the perfect time to gut our armed forces (just like Clinton did), retreat from Afghanistan (and Iraq), and go back on the defensive (just like we did before 9/11).

Wait for the enemy to come to us. Ask the families of the 9/11 victims how that strategy worked out.

 

[Liability]

Yep, it's definitely the perfect time to gut our armed forces (just like Clinton did), retreat from Afghanistan (and Iraq), and go back on the defensive (just like we did before 9/11).

Wait for the enemy to come to us. Ask the families of the 9/11 victims how that strategy worked out.

A full fledged retreat into a purely defensive posture with no forward bases and no efforts to hamper of destroy our terrorist enemies is NOT something that I advocate. Not even close.

I am not afraid to take good hard look, however, at what we ARE doing, where we are doing it and how we are doing it: and then trying to determine whether there is sufficient utility in such efforts, or seeing if we need to adapt and adjust.

 

[Sallow]

This fucking sucks.

 

[Toome]

Shit happens.

It is truer in combat than any other situation. That's why we have plans, back-up plans and back-up plans to back-up plans.

No, I don't credit the Taliban with being that sophisticated.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If this is the wrong thread, I'm sorry. Moving it is fine by me.

On the subject of our SEAL Team 6 forces killed in the crash of the helicopter, it dawned on me that the whole thing was suspicious.

In fact, I thought I had posted this thought earlier, but maybe I never submitted it?

Here's my concern. The SEAL Team was sent in to rescue another Seal Team in jeopardy. The rescue team, consisting of the same TEAM ( members of Seal Team 6, albeit not the same actual forces) who took-out Osama bin Laden, then got attacked by the Taliban. This made me wonder if maybe the other SEAL Team had gotten attacked PURELY to cause the rescue mission which was the actual intended target?

I figure that the Taliban isn't nearly sophisticated enough to pull that off. SO, I am assuming agents with access to some of our intel in the region may have assisted the Taliban.

I am fully prepared to suspect Pakistan (or some of its military intelligence folks, anyway) since we "embarrassed" them by taking-out Osama bin Laden without their prior knowledge (and despite their sovereignty concerns).

Too conspiratorial? Or does anybody else smell a similar rat in all of what just happened over in Afghanistan?

It's the capstone for me.

I questioned the premise of sending the Seal Team and not having the capture of this "Terrorist Mastermind" as priority Number 1. Once the deed was done the WH spun three separate stories as to why they had to shoot to kill: OBL reached for a gun, his wife tried to step in front, etc. Then last week one of the Seal Team member stated conclusively, they went in with orders to whack OBL. And now they're all dead

It's not suspicious, it's obvious that the whole OBL Terrorist Mastermind narrative is a steaming pile of crap.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

If we weren't still there in the first place none of this would have happened. We need to leave Afghanistan yesterday.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If this is the wrong thread, I'm sorry. Moving it is fine by me.

On the subject of our SEAL Team 6 forces killed in the crash of the helicopter, it dawned on me that the whole thing was suspicious.

In fact, I thought I had posted this thought earlier, but maybe I never submitted it?

Here's my concern. The SEAL Team was sent in to rescue another Seal Team in jeopardy. The rescue team, consisting of the same TEAM ( members of Seal Team 6, albeit not the same actual forces) who took-out Osama bin Laden, then got attacked by the Taliban. This made me wonder if maybe the other SEAL Team had gotten attacked PURELY to cause the rescue mission which was the actual intended target?

I figure that the Taliban isn't nearly sophisticated enough to pull that off. SO, I am assuming agents with access to some of our intel in the region may have assisted the Taliban.

I am fully prepared to suspect Pakistan (or some of its military intelligence folks, anyway) since we "embarrassed" them by taking-out Osama bin Laden without their prior knowledge (and despite their sovereignty concerns).

Too conspiratorial? Or does anybody else smell a similar rat in all of what just happened over in Afghanistan?

It's the capstone for me.

I questioned the premise of sending the Seal Team and not having the capture of this "Terrorist Mastermind" as priority Number 1. Once the deed was done the WH spun three separate stories as to why they had to shoot to kill: OBL reached for a gun, his wife tried to step in front, etc. Then last week one of the Seal Team member stated conclusively, they went in with orders to whack OBL. And now they're all dead

It's not suspicious, it's obvious that the whole OBL Terrorist Mastermind narrative is a steaming pile of crap.

I guess you missed the part about the troops used against OBL were not on that helicopter?

 

[geauxtohell]

If this is the wrong thread, I'm sorry. Moving it is fine by me.

On the subject of our SEAL Team 6 forces killed in the crash of the helicopter, it dawned on me that the whole thing was suspicious.

In fact, I thought I had posted this thought earlier, but maybe I never submitted it?

Here's my concern. The SEAL Team was sent in to rescue another Seal Team in jeopardy. The rescue team, consisting of the same TEAM ( members of Seal Team 6, albeit not the same actual forces) who took-out Osama bin Laden, then got attacked by the Taliban. This made me wonder if maybe the other SEAL Team had gotten attacked PURELY to cause the rescue mission which was the actual intended target?

I figure that the Taliban isn't nearly sophisticated enough to pull that off. SO, I am assuming agents with access to some of our intel in the region may have assisted the Taliban.

I am fully prepared to suspect Pakistan (or some of its military intelligence folks, anyway) since we "embarrassed" them by taking-out Osama bin Laden without their prior knowledge (and despite their sovereignty concerns).

Too conspiratorial? Or does anybody else smell a similar rat in all of what just happened over in Afghanistan?

This is almost exactly what happened during Operation Redwing, and the Taliban is sophisticated enough to pull it off.

At the least, they aren't stupid. They know that if they pin down an American force that a QRS will arrive via helicopter soon.

It's a sad loss for us.

 

[geauxtohell]

If this is the wrong thread, I'm sorry. Moving it is fine by me.

On the subject of our SEAL Team 6 forces killed in the crash of the helicopter, it dawned on me that the whole thing was suspicious.

In fact, I thought I had posted this thought earlier, but maybe I never submitted it?

Here's my concern. The SEAL Team was sent in to rescue another Seal Team in jeopardy. The rescue team, consisting of the same TEAM ( members of Seal Team 6, albeit not the same actual forces) who took-out Osama bin Laden, then got attacked by the Taliban. This made me wonder if maybe the other SEAL Team had gotten attacked PURELY to cause the rescue mission which was the actual intended target?

I figure that the Taliban isn't nearly sophisticated enough to pull that off. SO, I am assuming agents with access to some of our intel in the region may have assisted the Taliban.

I am fully prepared to suspect Pakistan (or some of its military intelligence folks, anyway) since we "embarrassed" them by taking-out Osama bin Laden without their prior knowledge (and despite their sovereignty concerns).

Too conspiratorial? Or does anybody else smell a similar rat in all of what just happened over in Afghanistan?

It's the capstone for me.

I questioned the premise of sending the Seal Team and not having the capture of this "Terrorist Mastermind" as priority Number 1. Once the deed was done the WH spun three separate stories as to why they had to shoot to kill: OBL reached for a gun, his wife tried to step in front, etc. Then last week one of the Seal Team member stated conclusively, they went in with orders to whack OBL. And now they're all dead

It's not suspicious, it's obvious that the whole OBL Terrorist Mastermind narrative is a steaming pile of crap.

Are you suggesting that our government intentionally causes this to "silence" Special Operations forces?

If so, thanks for joining the lowest common denominator.

 

[Jos]

In War, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, even"Elite troops" are not invincible
RIPs to all including Cairo the Dog

 

[Jos]

This is almost exactly what happened during Operation Redwing, and the Taliban is sophisticated enough to pull it off.

At the least, they aren't stupid. They know that if they pin down an American force that a QRS will arrive via helicopter soon.

It's a sad loss for us.

As night approached, driven by thirst, shot in the leg and with three cracked vertabrae,[5] Luttrell traversed 7 miles over the remainder of the night and following day.[1] He remained unnoticed until, falling from a ledge, he was discovered by an Afghan shepherd named Sarawa,[15] who summoned his companions to help carry the wounded Luttrell to the village of Sabray-Minah.[1][11] The villagers took care of Luttrell, providing food and medical attention, and protecting him from the Taliban that came to the village demanding that he be turned over to them. The Taliban offered bounties for turning him over and threatened the villages inhabitants with violence if they did not comply. According to Pashtun custom, the villagers were honor-bound to protect someone they had taken in, and the entire village participated in guarding him. He was moved between houses several times and received medical attention from the village's physician.

Operation Red Wings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia