Oregon Bakers: You get to pay 135,000 for being radical religious morons, Judge so orders!

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    Don't know.

    In Newman v. Piggie Park Enterprises the owner claimed a religious exemption to Public Accommodation laws, they lost. In Bob Jones University v. United States they claimed a religious exemption to discriminate, they lost.

    Even with Gorusch the composition of the court remains the same as it has for years (Gorsuch replacing Scalia). So you can pretty much bet that it will be the 4 Justices in the left wing of the court that will side with the couple and 4 Justices in the right wing of the court ruling against them. That leaves Kennedy as the swing vote but Kennedy is also the author of Lawrence, Windsor, and Obergefel.

    Right now I'd say it's a coin toss.

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    IMHO it's time to repeal Public Accommodation laws as applied to private business entities restoring the rights of property and association. I don't support claims of a "religious" exemption to a law which is general in nature and applicability.

    Do you know who said "Conscientious scruples have not, in the course of the long struggle for religious toleration, relieved the individual from obedience to a general law not aimed at the promotion or restriction of religious beliefs. The mere possession of religious convictions which contradict the relevant concerns of a political society does not relieve the citizen from the discharge of political responsibilities."


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    86 pages and not one leftist has figured out that they are anti-Constitutional in their stance.


    simply irrefutable proof that leftism is a contagious brain tumor.
     
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    They were offered the exact same products as everyone else was offered. Unless they're special people because...well, you know.
     
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    86 pages and amateur conservatives continue to think they know the law better than expert Judges
     
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    No. The bakers refused to sell them a Wedding Cake which was a product routinely offered.


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    No decorations?
     
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    Law? no

    the Constitution?

    no on that as well, I do know, unlike you, that judges have and will ignore the Constitution, as is clearly the case.
     
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    Curses!

    Then just took the general welfare clause. If it is for my general welfare then it's Constitutional.

    Case closed.

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    Don't know, their was never any design discussion. The baker refused service based on who the couple was.

    This is included in the Statement of Facts that the bakers agreed to as part of the legal proceedings. It helps the discussion to discuss the actual facts of a cake instead of making up strawman arguments and then arguing against them.


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    Is the decoration of this cake for a same-sex couple or a different-sex couple?


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    The baker made it clear that he was no denying them service based upon the fact they were gay.

    No, he made it clear that he was not making the gay cake because it was for a ceremony he considered to be an abomination.
     
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