Once stigmatized, food stamps find acceptance

[Care4all]

I disagree....the poor are very good at making something out of nothing when it comes to food....I have witnessed such with relatives on my husband's side that were part of the working poor.

And there are MANY out there just like them.

Quick and easy cooking comes from the middle class, with both parents working.

When the woman was not required to work in order for the family unit to have enough to scrape by, she was at home...and had the time to take flour and make biscuits or pies and cakes or dumplings or pasta....or the daily bread.....or a 3 hour stew made out of nothing but the meat on the bones...and left overs.

Care I see what the people using "food Stamps" buy. Little of it is food that requires preparation.
Now there is a difference in the elderly on food stamps and the younger ones. The elderly buy basics to prepare. The younger ones do not.

My generation prepared food, the succeding ones not so much.

I think we have lost many of the mother to daughter cooking skills that used to be passed down through the generations.
Most are unaware you can bake your own bread, that pancakes do not come from a box, that soup does not come from a can..

Of course it has been lost, most all women are working now and most all of their daughters will have to work as well....

 

[uscitizen]

I disagree....the poor are very good at making something out of nothing when it comes to food....I have witnessed such with relatives on my husband's side that were part of the working poor.

And there are MANY out there just like them.

Quick and easy cooking comes from the middle class, with both parents working.

When the woman was not required to work in order for the family unit to have enough to scrape by, she was at home...and had the time to take flour and make biscuits or pies and cakes or dumplings or pasta....or the daily bread.....or a 3 hour stew made out of nothing but the meat on the bones...and left overs.

Care I see what the people using "food Stamps" buy. Little of it is food that requires preparation.
Now there is a difference in the elderly on food stamps and the younger ones. The elderly buy basics to prepare. The younger ones do not.

My generation prepared food, the succeding ones not so much.

if it is food that requires little preperation it's only because of it's convenient availability. No shit someone is going to buy fries instead of pealable potatoes while on food stamps. But, do you REALLY think that someone who wants fries and are given potatoes won't figure out how to cut them and deep fry them? come on.

many have not a clue unless they worked at McDonalds.

Fryiing taters in a skillet is easier and more efficient and tastier to me as well.

 

[Shogun]

Yep and many even raised gardens if only very small ones.
Another nearly lost art, even in rural KY where I live.

so much of our economy over the last few decades has been built on laziness and waste.
Production got more efficient and consumers got more inefficient.

yea... people sure don't have GARDENS anymore.




seriously. this thread is reminding me of every dark spot that stains liberal politics despite my own identity with it.

Grow $700 of Food in 100 Square Feet!

you don't need a big garden either

and for the home made bread people

Five Minutes a Day for Fresh-Baked Bread

Oh I know, dude. every spring I grow rows of garden plants ON MY PORCH. the idea that individuals cannot grow food and are somehow helpless to do anything but consume food stamps is just retarded.

 

[uscitizen]

yea... people sure don't have GARDENS anymore.




seriously. this thread is reminding me of every dark spot that stains liberal politics despite my own identity with it.

Grow $700 of Food in 100 Square Feet!

you don't need a big garden either

and for the home made bread people

Five Minutes a Day for Fresh-Baked Bread

Oh I know, dude. every spring I grow rows of garden plants ON MY PORCH. the idea that individuals cannot grow food and are somehow helpless to do anything but consume food stamps is just retarded.

I am not saying helpless, just uneducated and lazy.

 

[Paulie]

Grow $700 of Food in 100 Square Feet!

you don't need a big garden either

and for the home made bread people

Five Minutes a Day for Fresh-Baked Bread

Oh I know, dude. every spring I grow rows of garden plants ON MY PORCH. the idea that individuals cannot grow food and are somehow helpless to do anything but consume food stamps is just retarded.

I am not saying helpless, just uneducated and lazy.

Don't think for one second though that if the food money was cut off, people wouldn't learn real quick how to prepare potatoes, for instance.

The issue is INCENTIVE. There's no incentive to learn, because food stamp money means you don't HAVE to.

 

[Anguille]

I know a woman who refuses to get a job and is actively looking for a man to impregnate her for the SOLE reason that she wants more food stamps and a larger housing note. On one hand, I'm glad we live in a nation where our poorest are fed. On the other, I'd not only make drug tests a requirement for public assistance but i'd segregate food stamps out of chain stores and make them spendable only at local pantries that stock generic foods and basic sustenance. I've literally seen people sell their 400+ dollars of food stamps per month at 50 cents on the dollar. People walking out of the store with 3 heaping carts full of shit that is sold away in the parking lot for liquid cash. With a segregated neighborhood food stamp store, not only could the program retain control over who gets what but there would be a control over how they are spent. This is not free money. It comes from somewhere. And, before you bleeding heart liberals start throwing cabbage my way perhaps you should figure out how your family budget could possibly work if I came along and ordered lobster on your dime on meatlaof night. This cannot be about blank check compassion in which the ends, YOU THINK, justify the means. Indeed, it's issues like this that becomes the greatest albatross for left wing politics.


and, just so you know...

Mo. bill ties drug testing to welfare - STLtoday.com


it's the SHOW ME state, motherfuckas!

One thing I don't get from yor post, do you thing drug addicts should starve?

The big chains stores make big money off food stamps. The same way national housing providers make big money off of housing subsidies and drug companies make big money of insurance. Prices go up the more cash available.

I'd be glad to see food stamps restricted to non profit food pantries selling only nutritious products. But the cost of getting those established all over is too high. What you are proposing is the socialism and rationing. Not that I have any thing against that. I just think it's a long way off. Gone are the days when supermarkets had their customers best interests at heart. Well, they never really did any way.

 

[Care4all]

I haven't worked for a few years now....and because I do not work anymore, I am able to put a good meal on the table every night, fix matt's breakfast and pack him a solid lunch.

When I did work, it was take out or going out to eat, or delivery, with a home cooked meal just twice a week....we never made breakfast, got something to eat once we got to work, and we never made lunch, always went out together for lunch at a minimum of $20 bucks for the lunch each day including the waitress tip....

that's a little off point....but what I am trying to say, is there IS NO TIME for the working woman to cook and bake as she once did imho.

Yep, but is the trade off worth it when you have a few small children?
many wind up paying most all they make on gas, lunch and childcare.

What is more important to us I guess is the question?

Personally, I don't think it is worth it, for those who make very little when they work....they probably could make ends meet, by NOT working and not having to put kids in daycare at a boo-coo expense, pay for the gas or even second car and insurance on it, so the woman can go to work, or the expense of take out or fast foods or prepared meals or semi prepared food products, and the cost of the woman's wardrobe that has to work....

For us....the taking time to "smell the roses" became important....and even though I am not working and Matt still is, his life is MUCH BETTER as well with the yummy home cooked meals and me handling the minutia that he used to have to do when I did work.

Every family is different...with different circumstances than us, I realize....

 

[Shogun]

yea... people sure don't have GARDENS anymore.




seriously. this thread is reminding me of every dark spot that stains liberal politics despite my own identity with it.

Grow $700 of Food in 100 Square Feet!

you don't need a big garden either

and for the home made bread people

Five Minutes a Day for Fresh-Baked Bread

I grew a 100 sqaure foot garden 2 years ago and had more cucumbers, green beans, peas, and watermelon than I knew what to do with. I was GIVING shit away.

Indeed. Last year, off of a 100 foot plot, my fam had more bell peppers, banana peppers, tomatoes etc than they knew what to do with.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Grow $700 of Food in 100 Square Feet!

you don't need a big garden either

and for the home made bread people

Five Minutes a Day for Fresh-Baked Bread

I grew a 100 sqaure foot garden 2 years ago and had more cucumbers, green beans, peas, and watermelon than I knew what to do with. I was GIVING shit away.

Indeed. Last year, off of a 100 foot plot, my fam had more bell peppers, banana peppers, tomatoes etc than they knew what to do with.

I make a hot pepper jelly that is to die for.

And my wife and i have a great time making it.

I'm hoping to start planting some fruit trees now that i finally have the room.

 

[uscitizen]

All this reminds me I need to get in my greenhouse and start my tomatoes, peppers and cabbages.

 

[Shogun]

Grow $700 of Food in 100 Square Feet!

you don't need a big garden either

and for the home made bread people

Five Minutes a Day for Fresh-Baked Bread

Oh I know, dude. every spring I grow rows of garden plants ON MY PORCH. the idea that individuals cannot grow food and are somehow helpless to do anything but consume food stamps is just retarded.

I am not saying helpless, just uneducated and lazy.

which is quickly dispatched by necessity. without wanton access to food stamps people WILL do what they need to do in order to survive. If not, this culture would have died on the vine 80 years ago.

 

[Anguille]

If we gave the poor flour, sugar, potatoes, etc most of them would starve.
Food preparation is a vanishing skill.

We are too lazy to even prepare our own food.

Good points.
I don't know about lazy so much as untaught and unorganized and just plain bone tired after a long day in the workplace.

Not to mention lack of cooking facilities and cooking fuel for some.

It took me a long time to learn to shop effectively and how to cook large amounts to feed more than one and for more than one meal. Keeping the gas and electrical bill down was another challenge.

A friend of mine is an occupational therapist who teaches mentally disabled kids how to make simple meals in public high schools while in the classroom next door teenagers are being mind boggled by trigonometry. In some ways her kids are getting a more valuable education.

 

[Shogun]

I know a woman who refuses to get a job and is actively looking for a man to impregnate her for the SOLE reason that she wants more food stamps and a larger housing note. On one hand, I'm glad we live in a nation where our poorest are fed. On the other, I'd not only make drug tests a requirement for public assistance but i'd segregate food stamps out of chain stores and make them spendable only at local pantries that stock generic foods and basic sustenance. I've literally seen people sell their 400+ dollars of food stamps per month at 50 cents on the dollar. People walking out of the store with 3 heaping carts full of shit that is sold away in the parking lot for liquid cash. With a segregated neighborhood food stamp store, not only could the program retain control over who gets what but there would be a control over how they are spent. This is not free money. It comes from somewhere. And, before you bleeding heart liberals start throwing cabbage my way perhaps you should figure out how your family budget could possibly work if I came along and ordered lobster on your dime on meatlaof night. This cannot be about blank check compassion in which the ends, YOU THINK, justify the means. Indeed, it's issues like this that becomes the greatest albatross for left wing politics.


and, just so you know...

Mo. bill ties drug testing to welfare - STLtoday.com


it's the SHOW ME state, motherfuckas!

One thing I don't get from yor post, do you thing drug addicts should starve?

The big chains stores make big money off food stamps. The same way national housing providers make big money off of housing subsidies and drug companies make big money of insurance. Prices go up the more cash available.

I'd be glad to see food stamps restricted to non profit food pantries selling only nutritious products. But the cost of getting those established all over is too high. What you are proposing is the socialism and rationing. Not that I have any thing against that. I just think it's a long way off. Gone are the days when supermarkets had their customers best interests at heart. Well, they never really did any way.

I think that people who have money for drugs have money for food. I say this as an autonomous guy who buys his own food and his own smoke. If you buy rock instead of milk then, yes, starve and we'll take your kids away to a home with better priorities.

and the cost wouldn't be too high if you consider the savings reflected in greater control of spending. I hate it when people drag their feet about cost when the sum point is saving money being hemmoraged in the first place.

and no, this isn't socialism and rationing. If you can buy your own food then go enjoy your haggen das. If not, then much like when the boy scouts gets government money and are restricted with their hiring practices, those who accept gov, tax based assistance can either take said assistance and leap through our standards or go their merry little way and fend for themselves. If not smoking pot is what keeps a starving person from welfare then it's not the tax payer's responsibility to facilitate that person's fucked up priorities.

 

[Anguille]

personally i would go hungry before I went on the dole. I'd pick up shit for a penny a pile so i could feed my kids because i would be ashamed to take government assistance.

Good luck with your plan. See you at the soup kitchen.

 

[Shogun]

I grew a 100 sqaure foot garden 2 years ago and had more cucumbers, green beans, peas, and watermelon than I knew what to do with. I was GIVING shit away.

Indeed. Last year, off of a 100 foot plot, my fam had more bell peppers, banana peppers, tomatoes etc than they knew what to do with.

I make a hot pepper jelly that is to die for.

And my wife and i have a great time making it.

I'm hoping to start planting some fruit trees now that i finally have the room.

fucking A. I recently got into making jellies and I look forward to making a mango/habenero run this year. And, too, I made this with my father as a bonding thing and it's pretty cool. I've already started to plan what me and the special lady friend will be canning this year too. I don't have the land to plant trees or grow grape vines but we do have a thriving farmers market within reach.

 

[uscitizen]

personally i would go hungry before I went on the dole. I'd pick up shit for a penny a pile so i could feed my kids because i would be ashamed to take government assistance.

Good luck with your plan. See you at the soup kitchen.

Using his crackberry? remember that rw hooplah?

 

[Anguille]

NYT: Food stamps find new acceptance - The New York Times- msnbc.com

Welcome to the entitlement generation. My parents lived through the depression era and my mom especially had it bad, but they never asked for government assistance. Instead, they found work wherever they could, gathered their own food (including hunting) and tightened their belts. People used to be ashamed of accepting charity. Now people believe it's a right. My how times have changed.

Nobody was ashamed back then of having trust funds or being white males who got accepted at top schools because daddy was. That aren't now, either. Charity comes in many forms. Some are more greedy and shameless accepting it than others.

 

[Anguille]

is that because the poor are incapable of cooking or because there is no necessity with all the frozen dinners available. I assure you, if poor Americans crawled from the depression then our modern poor can remember how to make biscuits from scratch.

Most of the current generation of poor were never taught how to make biscuits from scratch.

I wasn't taught how to build computers either until I needed to learn to HAVE my first computer. I don't buy the idea that our modern poor can't make buscuts from scratch because Aunt Jemima never taught them at the age of 4. This is the age of the internet for Christs sake. If you want to learn our to make anything it's only a mouseclick away.

I learned to cook mostly on my own or from friends so I know what you are saying. But a mouse click is not so close for everyone, nor is a public library.
Biscuits aren't that nutritional either. Better compliment them with some lentil sprouts.

 

[rightwinger]

I know a woman who refuses to get a job and is actively looking for a man to impregnate her for the SOLE reason that she wants more food stamps and a larger housing note. On one hand, I'm glad we live in a nation where our poorest are fed. On the other, I'd not only make drug tests a requirement for public assistance but i'd segregate food stamps out of chain stores and make them spendable only at local pantries that stock generic foods and basic sustenance. I've literally seen people sell their 400+ dollars of food stamps per month at 50 cents on the dollar. People walking out of the store with 3 heaping carts full of shit that is sold away in the parking lot for liquid cash. With a segregated neighborhood food stamp store, not only could the program retain control over who gets what but there would be a control over how they are spent. This is not free money. It comes from somewhere. And, before you bleeding heart liberals start throwing cabbage my way perhaps you should figure out how your family budget could possibly work if I came along and ordered lobster on your dime on meatlaof night. This cannot be about blank check compassion in which the ends, YOU THINK, justify the means. Indeed, it's issues like this that becomes the greatest albatross for left wing politics.


and, just so you know...

Mo. bill ties drug testing to welfare - STLtoday.com


it's the SHOW ME state, motherfuckas!

One thing I don't get from yor post, do you thing drug addicts should starve?

The big chains stores make big money off food stamps. The same way national housing providers make big money off of housing subsidies and drug companies make big money of insurance. Prices go up the more cash available.

I'd be glad to see food stamps restricted to non profit food pantries selling only nutritious products. But the cost of getting those established all over is too high. What you are proposing is the socialism and rationing. Not that I have any thing against that. I just think it's a long way off. Gone are the days when supermarkets had their customers best interests at heart. Well, they never really did any way.

I think that people who have money for drugs have money for food. I say this as an autonomous guy who buys his own food and his own smoke. If you buy rock instead of milk then, yes, starve and we'll take your kids away to a home with better priorities.

Typical blame the victim from the conservatives.

The problem is not with the crack addicts, but with people who have lost their jobs, people who work for $10 an hour and try to support their family while paying for housing, heat, electricity and healthcare.

These are the Americans who are being hurt not your Escalade driving crack addict

 

[Modbert]

Typical blame the victim from the conservatives.

Shogun is far from being a Conservative. Just sayin.