you have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
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On this 4th of July....Don't forget to thank a liberal
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you have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
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The founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayIf the founders were alive today, they would be repulsed by the callousness of the conservative movement and their subservience to wealthImagine a world where a certain class was born to rule over those who were born to lower classes
Your position in society was based on your birth, not what you accomplish after your birth
The liberals of the day stood up and declared.......All men are created equal
They created a country where the lowest farm hand had the same vote as the richest land owner
Thank a liberal.
Obviously you have done no reading of the founding fathers' writings nor of other writings from the founding era. You don't even know the basics of the form of government that the framers gave us. Nor do you understand the basic principles upon which that form of government was based.
If the framers were alive today, they would view you as a Jacobin and would wonder why you didn't move to France.
you have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
Skull Pilot
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The founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayIf the founders were alive today, they would be repulsed by the callousness of the conservative movement and their subservience to wealthImagine a world where a certain class was born to rule over those who were born to lower classes
Your position in society was based on your birth, not what you accomplish after your birth
The liberals of the day stood up and declared.......All men are created equal
They created a country where the lowest farm hand had the same vote as the richest land owner
Thank a liberal.
Obviously you have done no reading of the founding fathers' writings nor of other writings from the founding era. You don't even know the basics of the form of government that the framers gave us. Nor do you understand the basic principles upon which that form of government was based.
If the framers were alive today, they would view you as a Jacobin and would wonder why you didn't move to France.
you have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
Yeah like being forced to buy health insurance
Having the government be able to turn every cell phone into a listening device
Warrantless wiretaps
3 AM no knock search warrants performed by masked government agents
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The founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayIf the founders were alive today, they would be repulsed by the callousness of the conservative movement and their subservience to wealthImagine a world where a certain class was born to rule over those who were born to lower classes
Your position in society was based on your birth, not what you accomplish after your birth
The liberals of the day stood up and declared.......All men are created equal
They created a country where the lowest farm hand had the same vote as the richest land owner
Thank a liberal.
Obviously you have done no reading of the founding fathers' writings nor of other writings from the founding era. You don't even know the basics of the form of government that the framers gave us. Nor do you understand the basic principles upon which that form of government was based.
If the framers were alive today, they would view you as a Jacobin and would wonder why you didn't move to France.
you have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
Yeah like being forced to buy health insurance
Having the government be able to turn every cell phone into a listening device
Warrantless wiretaps
3 AM no knock search warrants performed by masked government agents
Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws
And the worst transgression to conservatives is being forced to buy health insurance
The founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayIf the founders were alive today, they would be repulsed by the callousness of the conservative movement and their subservience to wealthImagine a world where a certain class was born to rule over those who were born to lower classes
Your position in society was based on your birth, not what you accomplish after your birth
The liberals of the day stood up and declared.......All men are created equal
They created a country where the lowest farm hand had the same vote as the richest land owner
Thank a liberal.
Obviously you have done no reading of the founding fathers' writings nor of other writings from the founding era. You don't even know the basics of the form of government that the framers gave us. Nor do you understand the basic principles upon which that form of government was based.
If the framers were alive today, they would view you as a Jacobin and would wonder why you didn't move to France.
you have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
the liberals of 1776 were the conservatives and libertarians of 2015. The founders were nothing even close to today's liberals.
The founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayIf the founders were alive today, they would be repulsed by the callousness of the conservative movement and their subservience to wealthObviously you have done no reading of the founding fathers' writings nor of other writings from the founding era. You don't even know the basics of the form of government that the framers gave us. Nor do you understand the basic principles upon which that form of government was based.
If the framers were alive today, they would view you as a Jacobin and would wonder why you didn't move to France.
you have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
Yeah like being forced to buy health insurance
Having the government be able to turn every cell phone into a listening device
Warrantless wiretaps
3 AM no knock search warrants performed by masked government agents
Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws
And the worst transgression to conservatives is being forced to buy health insurance
those rights and protections were put in place with republican votes. the dems tried to fillibuster the civil rights act, LBJ needed republicans to get it past the racist democrats.
The founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayIf the founders were alive today, they would be repulsed by the callousness of the conservative movement and their subservience to wealthObviously you have done no reading of the founding fathers' writings nor of other writings from the founding era. You don't even know the basics of the form of government that the framers gave us. Nor do you understand the basic principles upon which that form of government was based.
If the framers were alive today, they would view you as a Jacobin and would wonder why you didn't move to France.
you have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
Yeah like being forced to buy health insurance
Having the government be able to turn every cell phone into a listening device
Warrantless wiretaps
3 AM no knock search warrants performed by masked government agents
Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws
And the worst transgression to conservatives is being forced to buy health insurance
The people who like obozocare are not BUYING it. They are getting it FREE. you dumb ass.
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The founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayIf the founders were alive today, they would be repulsed by the callousness of the conservative movement and their subservience to wealthObviously you have done no reading of the founding fathers' writings nor of other writings from the founding era. You don't even know the basics of the form of government that the framers gave us. Nor do you understand the basic principles upon which that form of government was based.
If the framers were alive today, they would view you as a Jacobin and would wonder why you didn't move to France.
you have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
Yeah like being forced to buy health insurance
Having the government be able to turn every cell phone into a listening device
Warrantless wiretaps
3 AM no knock search warrants performed by masked government agents
Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws
And the worst transgression to conservatives is being forced to buy health insurance
Not just conservatives
And rights and freedom are 2 completely different things.
We have less freedom and more regulation than ever
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Why would they be?The founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayIf the founders were alive today, they would be repulsed by the callousness of the conservative movement and their subservience to wealthImagine a world where a certain class was born to rule over those who were born to lower classes
Your position in society was based on your birth, not what you accomplish after your birth
The liberals of the day stood up and declared.......All men are created equal
They created a country where the lowest farm hand had the same vote as the richest land owner
Thank a liberal.
Obviously you have done no reading of the founding fathers' writings nor of other writings from the founding era. You don't even know the basics of the form of government that the framers gave us. Nor do you understand the basic principles upon which that form of government was based.
If the framers were alive today, they would view you as a Jacobin and would wonder why you didn't move to France.
you have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
the liberals of 1776 were the conservatives and libertarians of 2015. The founders were nothing even close to today's liberals.
the founders couldn't comprehend issues like Civil Rights, women's vote, gay rights, worker protections, protecting the environment
Doesn't make the less liberal....they were a product of their times
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Americans have more freedom than any time in history. Ask blacks how much "freedom" they had in 1950The founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayIf the founders were alive today, they would be repulsed by the callousness of the conservative movement and their subservience to wealth
you have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
Yeah like being forced to buy health insurance
Having the government be able to turn every cell phone into a listening device
Warrantless wiretaps
3 AM no knock search warrants performed by masked government agents
Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws
And the worst transgression to conservatives is being forced to buy health insurance
Not just conservatives
And rights and freedom are 2 completely different things.
We have less freedom and more regulation than ever
Freedom of speech is broader now than at any time in history
The founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayIf the founders were alive today, they would be repulsed by the callousness of the conservative movement and their subservience to wealth
you have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
Yeah like being forced to buy health insurance
Having the government be able to turn every cell phone into a listening device
Warrantless wiretaps
3 AM no knock search warrants performed by masked government agents
Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws
And the worst transgression to conservatives is being forced to buy health insurance
those rights and protections were put in place with republican votes. the dems tried to fillibuster the civil rights act, LBJ needed republicans to get it past the racist democrats.
One or two Dems tried to filibuster, which only becomes "the Dems" though Composition Fallacy. Several years earlier that plan had already soured:
>> Reactions to his filibuster ranged from altruistic respect to outright derision. Sen. William Knowland, R-Calif., quipped that Thurmond’s constant prattling was “cruel and unusual punishment to his colleagues,” according to the AP.
Sen. Paul Douglas, D-Ill., a vocal supporter of civil rights, handed Thurmond a glass of orange juice during the filibuster. But the Southern Democrats, feeling that they had been betrayed by Thurmond, were not amused and did not rally behind their colleague as Thurmond had hoped.
Georgia Democrat Herman Talmadge, “who yields to no man as a segregationist,” according to Time, disparaged Thurmond’s performance as a “grandstand of longwinded speeches” that might “in the long run wreak unspeakable havoc upon my people.”
In his book “Legacy To Power: Senator Russell Long of Louisiana,” Robert T. Mann writes, “Thurmond’s obstinate tactic did more than set a new record. It incurred the animosity of the southern senators who believed they had chosen the prudent course while Thurmond betrayed them.”
In the end, Thurmond persuaded no senators to change their vote on the bill. He departed the Senate chamber at 9:12 p.m. on Aug. 29, 1957. Thurmond’s 24 hours and 18 minutes on the floor broke the previous filibuster record of 22 hours and 26 minutes held since 1953 by Oregon Sen. Wayne Morse.
Two hours later, a watered-down version of the Civil Rights Act of 1957 passed the Senate in a 62-15 vote. << -- Thurmond's Record-Setting 24-hour Filibuster
You've got to scrape the bottom of the Fallacy Barrel pretty fucking hard to morph an outlier into a consensus. The actual fact is more Dems voted for the 1964 CRA -- by absolute number and by percentage -- than Republicans, though it would be equally dishonest to pretend the degree was significant.Sen. Paul Douglas, D-Ill., a vocal supporter of civil rights, handed Thurmond a glass of orange juice during the filibuster. But the Southern Democrats, feeling that they had been betrayed by Thurmond, were not amused and did not rally behind their colleague as Thurmond had hoped.
Georgia Democrat Herman Talmadge, “who yields to no man as a segregationist,” according to Time, disparaged Thurmond’s performance as a “grandstand of longwinded speeches” that might “in the long run wreak unspeakable havoc upon my people.”
In his book “Legacy To Power: Senator Russell Long of Louisiana,” Robert T. Mann writes, “Thurmond’s obstinate tactic did more than set a new record. It incurred the animosity of the southern senators who believed they had chosen the prudent course while Thurmond betrayed them.”
In the end, Thurmond persuaded no senators to change their vote on the bill. He departed the Senate chamber at 9:12 p.m. on Aug. 29, 1957. Thurmond’s 24 hours and 18 minutes on the floor broke the previous filibuster record of 22 hours and 26 minutes held since 1953 by Oregon Sen. Wayne Morse.
Two hours later, a watered-down version of the Civil Rights Act of 1957 passed the Senate in a 62-15 vote. << -- Thurmond's Record-Setting 24-hour Filibuster
But you go on and run with that...
btw Thurmond's argument was that guaranteeing civil rights by federal law was unconstitutional, same basis as Goldwater's basis for his own "no" vote in 1964.
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The founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayIf the founders were alive today, they would be repulsed by the callousness of the conservative movement and their subservience to wealthObviously you have done no reading of the founding fathers' writings nor of other writings from the founding era. You don't even know the basics of the form of government that the framers gave us. Nor do you understand the basic principles upon which that form of government was based.
If the framers were alive today, they would view you as a Jacobin and would wonder why you didn't move to France.
you have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
Yeah like being forced to buy health insurance
Having the government be able to turn every cell phone into a listening device
Warrantless wiretaps
3 AM no knock search warrants performed by masked government agents
Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws
And the worst transgression to conservatives is being forced to buy health insurance
"Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws"
Why would they support those issues now?
they didn't support them then.
Americans have more freedom than any time in history. Ask blacks how much "freedom" they had in 1950The founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayyou have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
Yeah like being forced to buy health insurance
Having the government be able to turn every cell phone into a listening device
Warrantless wiretaps
3 AM no knock search warrants performed by masked government agents
Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws
And the worst transgression to conservatives is being forced to buy health insurance
Not just conservatives
And rights and freedom are 2 completely different things.
We have less freedom and more regulation than ever
Freedom of speech is broader now than at any time in history
It would seem so.... sure as fuck beats a hundred years ago:
>> By far the harshest penalty for "flag desecration" in American history was handed our during World War I to a Montana man, E. V. Starr, who under the 1918 Montana law, which became the model for the 1918 federal Sedition Act (document 2.18), was given a $500 fine and a jail term of ten to twenty years at hard labor for refusing a mob's demands to kiss a flag and for terming it "nothing but a piece of cotton" with a "little paint" and "some other marks" on it which "might be covered with microbes." Considering the case on appeal, Federal district court judge George Bourquin termed the sentence a "horrifying" one that justified George Bernard Shaw's comment that American courts had gone "stark, staring, raving mad" during the war; Bourquin also labeled the mob that had assaulted Starr "heresy hunters" and "witch burners." Nonetheless, he concluded that he was powerless to intervene, because the Montana state law was clearly constitutional under the Halter precedent (document 3.25). << -- Wiki
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Imagine that....liberal views evolveThe founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayIf the founders were alive today, they would be repulsed by the callousness of the conservative movement and their subservience to wealth
you have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
Yeah like being forced to buy health insurance
Having the government be able to turn every cell phone into a listening device
Warrantless wiretaps
3 AM no knock search warrants performed by masked government agents
Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws
And the worst transgression to conservatives is being forced to buy health insurance
"Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws"
Why would they support those issues now?
they didn't support them then.
You are a liberal or conservative based upon the time in which you live. Our founders were the greatest liberals of their day
Skull Pilot
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Americans have more freedom than any time in history. Ask blacks how much "freedom" they had in 1950The founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayyou have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
Yeah like being forced to buy health insurance
Having the government be able to turn every cell phone into a listening device
Warrantless wiretaps
3 AM no knock search warrants performed by masked government agents
Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws
And the worst transgression to conservatives is being forced to buy health insurance
Not just conservatives
And rights and freedom are 2 completely different things.
We have less freedom and more regulation than ever
Freedom of speech is broader now than at any time in history
Sorry but no.
There are more to americans than just minorities.
We spend more time making laws to curb people's behavior than ever before
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Imagine that....liberal views evolveThe founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their dayyou have it backwards, they would be crying about what the liberals of today have done to this great country and how they have defiled the constitution.
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
Yeah like being forced to buy health insurance
Having the government be able to turn every cell phone into a listening device
Warrantless wiretaps
3 AM no knock search warrants performed by masked government agents
Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws
And the worst transgression to conservatives is being forced to buy health insurance
"Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws"
Why would they support those issues now?
they didn't support them then.
You are a liberal or conservative based upon the time in which you live. Our founders were the greatest liberals of their day
They'd have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century, much less the 21st, and unlikely they would accept womans, civil, or gay rights, child labor, ACA.
Is your post a fantasy, or a delusion?
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They wouldn't accept cars or the internet eitherImagine that....liberal views evolveThe founders were the greatest liberal thinkers of their day
They would be proud of the expansion of individual rights
Yeah like being forced to buy health insurance
Having the government be able to turn every cell phone into a listening device
Warrantless wiretaps
3 AM no knock search warrants performed by masked government agents
Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws
And the worst transgression to conservatives is being forced to buy health insurance
"Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws"
Why would they support those issues now?
they didn't support them then.
You are a liberal or conservative based upon the time in which you live. Our founders were the greatest liberals of their day
They'd have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century, much less the 21st, and unlikely they would accept womans, civil, or gay rights, child labor, ACA.
Is your post a fantasy, or a delusion?
What is your point?
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They wouldn't accept cars or the internet eitherImagine that....liberal views evolveYeah like being forced to buy health insurance
Having the government be able to turn every cell phone into a listening device
Warrantless wiretaps
3 AM no knock search warrants performed by masked government agents
Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws
And the worst transgression to conservatives is being forced to buy health insurance
"Civil Rights, women's rights, gay rights, worker protections, laws protecting the handicapped, child labor laws"
Why would they support those issues now?
they didn't support them then.
You are a liberal or conservative based upon the time in which you live. Our founders were the greatest liberals of their day
They'd have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century, much less the 21st, and unlikely they would accept womans, civil, or gay rights, child labor, ACA.
Is your post a fantasy, or a delusion?
What is your point?
Now you're deflecting to inventions over attitudes?
Hillaryous
Just wondering: Should we rename Washington DC because Washington had slaves? Tear down the Jefferson memorial? Rename Washington state?
Where does this foolish PC end?
Where does this foolish PC end?
Wildman
Gold Member
We ain't talking about "the left" -- we're talking Liberals.
what's the difference.., if there is one ?
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