On Islam

[pbel]

...I don't think ANY American including my-self would want to live in an Islamic Country...yet. Islam developed because Semitic religions flourished here. Islam replaced some of the world’s most undeveloped areas economically and politically on earth save sub-Sahara Africa.

It also flourished here because Islam replaced lawlessness where the common man meant nothing...

As in areas where Economic development has occurred like Qatar, Dubai, Morocco, Islam like all other religions before it changed and moderated politically and socially.

Look at Judaism? Can you imagine if it did not have the Western influences Israel lives today...Can you imagine being ruled by the Hassidim, walking around praying all day?

Western thought, not Judaism is the mind-set of world Jewry today.

Israel needs to understand this concept...if she makes peace and trades with her immediate neighbors, the mere Economic changes will mollify the religious attitudes of the area to create a stable peace.

Patience and the onset of Islamic Democracies are a historic opportunity for Israel to negotiate an acceptable peace..

 

[Hossfly]

...I don't think ANY American including my-self would want to live in an Islamic Country...yet. Islam developed because Semitic religions flourished here. Islam replaced some of the world’s most undeveloped areas economically and politically on earth save sub-Sahara Africa.

It also flourished here because Islam replaced lawlessness where the common man meant nothing...

As in areas where Economic development has occurred like Qatar, Dubai, Morocco, Islam like all other religions before it changed and moderated politically and socially.

Look at Judaism? Can you imagine if it did not have the Western influences Israel lives today...Can you imagine being ruled by the Hassidim, walking around praying all day?

Western thought, not Judaism is the mind-set of world Jewry today.

Israel needs to understand this concept...if she makes peace and trades with her immediate neighbors, the mere Economic changes will mollify the religious attitudes of the area to create a stable peace.

Patience and the onset of Islamic Democracies are a historic opportunity for Israel to negotiate an acceptable peace..

ISLAM = Vacuous stupidity

 

[irosie91]

whoever wrote the above essay has no grasp of history or reality and certainly knows nothing about either islam or judaism or "western civilization"

 

[Saigon]

It's an interesting article, although I don't really know why it says no American would want to live in an Islamic country.

Sudan wouldn't be my first choice, but Indonesia, Malaysia, Jordan, Turkey, Tuinisia...why wouldn't westerners live there?

Hoss -

If you are going to accuse anything or vacuous stupidity, start with your own post.

 

[Sunni Man]

History has shown that any time two cultures/religions/ideologies come into contact with each other.

Both sides will be modified to some extent.

And adapt those things which it finds to be expedient or beneficial.

This is currently happening before our eyes as Western ideology/culture and Islamic religion/culture interact on the world stage.

 

[irosie91]

It's an interesting article, although I don't really know why it says no American would want to live in an Islamic country.

Sudan wouldn't be my first choice, but Indonesia, Malaysia, Jordan, Turkey, Tuinisia...why wouldn't westerners live there?

Hoss -

If you are going to accuse anything or vacuous stupidity, start with your own post.

Because all of the countries that you mentioned as a "PREFERENCE" are now slipping into the cosmic cesspool of shariah and oppressive filth------what are you calling a "westerner"? some people are very confused the religions------christianity, judaism and islam are ALL WESTERN RELIGIONS -------very markedly influenced by greek and roman culture which is considered the cradle of WESTERN and even EUROPEAN civilization. What do you like about INDONESIA ? the fact that they murder hindus for the pig "god" in bali------and christians in the mainland? More than ten years ago we ran into a fairly young man who said he was from INDONESIA-------a christian. We asked why he left. He said "THE CHRISTIANS ARE LEAVING" we asked "WHY"? He said "BECAUSE WE WANT TO SURVIVE"

 

[Lipush]

...I don't think ANY American including my-self would want to live in an Islamic Country...yet. Islam developed because Semitic religions flourished here. Islam replaced some of the world’s most undeveloped areas economically and politically on earth save sub-Sahara Africa.

It also flourished here because Islam replaced lawlessness where the common man meant nothing...

As in areas where Economic development has occurred like Qatar, Dubai, Morocco, Islam like all other religions before it changed and moderated politically and socially.

Look at Judaism? Can you imagine if it did not have the Western influences Israel lives today...Can you imagine being ruled by the Hassidim, walking around praying all day?

Western thought, not Judaism is the mind-set of world Jewry today.

Israel needs to understand this concept...if she makes peace and trades with her immediate neighbors, the mere Economic changes will mollify the religious attitudes of the area to create a stable peace.

Patience and the onset of Islamic Democracies are a historic opportunity for Israel to negotiate an acceptable peace..

Both societies of Halach and Shari'a will be bad for freedom, especially for us women.

however, if I have to choose, I will chose the horros I know. I will not bend to the Shari'a even if it killes me.

BTW, there are not yet Islamic democracies. maybe one day there will be

 

[patrickcaturday]

...I don't think ANY American including my-self would want to live in an Islamic Country...yet. Islam developed because Semitic religions flourished here. Islam replaced some of the world’s most undeveloped areas economically and politically on earth save sub-Sahara Africa.

It also flourished here because Islam replaced lawlessness where the common man meant nothing...

As in areas where Economic development has occurred like Qatar, Dubai, Morocco, Islam like all other religions before it changed and moderated politically and socially.

Look at Judaism? Can you imagine if it did not have the Western influences Israel lives today...Can you imagine being ruled by the Hassidim, walking around praying all day?

Western thought, not Judaism is the mind-set of world Jewry today.

Israel needs to understand this concept...if she makes peace and trades with her immediate neighbors, the mere Economic changes will mollify the religious attitudes of the area to create a stable peace.

Patience and the onset of Islamic Democracies are a historic opportunity for Israel to negotiate an acceptable peace..

Both societies of Halach and Shari'a will be bad for freedom, especially for us women.

however, if I have to choose, I will chose the horros I know. I will not bend to the Shari'a even if it killes me.

BTW, there are not yet Islamic democracies. maybe one day there will be

You are wrong, Turkey is an Islamic Democracy and was before Israel came into existance in 1948

 

[Lipush]

Both societies of Halach and Shari'a will be bad for freedom, especially for us women.

however, if I have to choose, I will chose the horros I know. I will not bend to the Shari'a even if it killes me.

BTW, there are not yet Islamic democracies. maybe one day there will be

You are wrong, Turkey is an Islamic Democracy and was before Israel came into existance in 1948

Turkey, Eh? I bet the people of Kurdistan will agree

 

[Sunni Man]

BTW, there are not yet Islamic democracies. maybe one day there will be

Maybe I am mistaken; but didn't the Egyptian people just hold a democratic national election and vote in a new president?

 

[Hossfly]

Both societies of Halach and Shari'a will be bad for freedom, especially for us women.

however, if I have to choose, I will chose the horros I know. I will not bend to the Shari'a even if it killes me.

BTW, there are not yet Islamic democracies. maybe one day there will be

You are wrong, Turkey is an Islamic Democracy and was before Israel came into existance in 1948

Turkey is a secular Parlimentarian Republic even though it's 99% Muslim. Not Islamic gov't.


Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Roudy]

...I don't think ANY American including my-self would want to live in an Islamic Country...yet. Islam developed because Semitic religions flourished here. Islam replaced some of the world’s most undeveloped areas economically and politically on earth save sub-Sahara Africa.

It also flourished here because Islam replaced lawlessness where the common man meant nothing...

As in areas where Economic development has occurred like Qatar, Dubai, Morocco, Islam like all other religions before it changed and moderated politically and socially.

Look at Judaism? Can you imagine if it did not have the Western influences Israel lives today...Can you imagine being ruled by the Hassidim, walking around praying all day?

Western thought, not Judaism is the mind-set of world Jewry today.

Israel needs to understand this concept...if she makes peace and trades with her immediate neighbors, the mere Economic changes will mollify the religious attitudes of the area to create a stable peace.

Patience and the onset of Islamic Democracies are a historic opportunity for Israel to negotiate an acceptable peace..

The Hebrews influenced Western thought you fucking moron. The Ten Commandments and the principles of the OT were part of the foundation for Western Civilization. In fact the Ten commandments are still found in many Western Courthouses today. Wait don't tell me, Moses and Jesus were Muslims thousands of years before the Saudi Arabian illiterate terrorist theif arrived and brought Islam with him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint
The Septuagint (*/ˈsɛptjuːəˌdʒɪnt/) (or "LXX", or "Greek Old Testament") is a translation of the Hebrew Bible and some related texts into Greek, begun in the late 3rd century BCE. The Septuagint is quoted by the New Testament[1] (particularly by St. Paul),[2] and by the Apostolic Fathers. King Ptolemy once gathered 72 Elders. He placed them in 72 chambers, each of them in a separate one, without revealing to them why they were summoned. He entered each one's room and said: "Write for me the Torah of Moshe, your teacher." God put it in the heart of each one to translate identically as all the others did.[11]
Philo of Alexandria, who relied extensively on the Septuagint,[12] says that the number of scholars was chosen by selecting six scholars from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. This legend, with its miraculous details, underlines the fact that some Jews in antiquity wished to present the translation as authoritative.[6]

In time the LXX became synonymous with the "Greek Old Testament", i.e. a Christian canon of writings which incorporated all the books of the Hebrew canon, along with additional texts. The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches use most of the books of the Septuagint; however, Protestant churches usually do not. After the Protestant Reformation, many Protestant Bibles began to follow the Jewish canon and exclude the additional texts, which came to be called "Apocrypha" (i.e. of questionable authenticity). The Apocrypha are included under a separate heading in the King James Version of the Bible, the basis for the Revised Standard Version.[26]

(2) The Septuagint Version accepted first by the Alexandrian Jews, and afterwards by all the Greek-speaking countries, helped to spread among the Gentiles the idea and the expectation of the Messias, and to introduce into Greek the theological terminology that made it a most suitable instrument for the propagation of the Gospel of Christ.

 

[patrickcaturday]

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You are wrong, Turkey is an Islamic Democracy and was before Israel came into existance in 1948

Turkey, Eh? I bet the people of Kurdistan will agree

Probably as much as the Palestinians in the occupied West Bank would agree that Israel is a democracy or the Bedouins in the Negev would agree that Israel is a democracy. Interesting question I think the Kurds in Turkey are given the franchise while the Palestinians in the West Bank are not !!!

 

[Hossfly]

BTW, there are not yet Islamic democracies. maybe one day there will be

Maybe I am mistaken; but didn't the Egyptian people just hold a democratic national election and vote in a new president?

ARAB REPUBLIC of EGYPT

2011 Provisional Constitution of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[irosie91]

...I don't think ANY American including my-self would want to live in an Islamic Country...yet. Islam developed because Semitic religions flourished here. Islam replaced some of the world’s most undeveloped areas economically and politically on earth save sub-Sahara Africa.

It also flourished here because Islam replaced lawlessness where the common man meant nothing...

As in areas where Economic development has occurred like Qatar, Dubai, Morocco, Islam like all other religions before it changed and moderated politically and socially.

Look at Judaism? Can you imagine if it did not have the Western influences Israel lives today...Can you imagine being ruled by the Hassidim, walking around praying all day?

Western thought, not Judaism is the mind-set of world Jewry today.

Israel needs to understand this concept...if she makes peace and trades with her immediate neighbors, the mere Economic changes will mollify the religious attitudes of the area to create a stable peace.

Patience and the onset of Islamic Democracies are a historic opportunity for Israel to negotiate an acceptable peace..

The Hebrews influenced Western thought you fucking moron. The Ten Commandments and the principles of the OT were part of the foundation for Western Civilization. In fact the Ten commandments are still found in many Western Courthouses today. Wait don't tell me, Moses and Jesus were Muslims thousands of years before the Saudi Arabian illiterate terrorist theif arrived and brought Islam with him.

Roudy PUHLEEEEEZE you do not understand -------there are people in the world of peaballs who----for more than the past 1500 years------- have been turning themselves INSIDE OUT to divorce themselves and their culture and Jesus and Mary -----from anything JEWISH I assure you----when peaballs was six years old he believed that jesus ate bacon and eggs for breakfast and that the INNKEEPER in Bethlehem MARY because she was a christian Do you know what the CATHOLIC MASS is? The priest does a prayer over bread and wine----------well----the bread BECOMES THE BODY OF JEW BOY JESUS and the wine does turn into his blood----------its a kind of weird variation on that little kiddush thing---------that is why MARTIN LUTHER threw it out-------its too JEWISH

Some of them still believe that the american legal system stems from JUSTINIAN LAW try reading justinian law-------it would make Adolf blush-------but he did adopt some of the basics for the NUREMBURG CODE. Try not to talk to them about the real root of the American legal system------such knowlege nauseates them-------some refer to english common law-----the law that claims that if a woman floats she is a witch Some of them think THE GREEKS invented the constitution of the united states------or they cite the MAGNA CARTA -----------you just cannot wrench the stupidity out of them

 

[Roudy]

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You are wrong, Turkey is an Islamic Democracy and was before Israel came into existance in 1948

Turkey is a secular Parlimentarian Republic even though it's 99% Muslim. Not Islamic gov't.


Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Turkey's Kamal Attaturk was like the George Washington of Turkey, and very anti Islamic. He changed the country's official language from Arabic letters to Latin, and created a constitutional amendment that allows the military to take over should the Islamists gain too much power. However that law after centuries of being in place was revoked recently as Turkey has slowly become more and more Islamic.

Sounds like Ataturk knew a thing or two abut the stench of Islamism, being a Muslim himself.

 

[pbel]

...I don't think ANY American including my-self would want to live in an Islamic Country...yet. Islam developed because Semitic religions flourished here. Islam replaced some of the world’s most undeveloped areas economically and politically on earth save sub-Sahara Africa.

It also flourished here because Islam replaced lawlessness where the common man meant nothing...

As in areas where Economic development has occurred like Qatar, Dubai, Morocco, Islam like all other religions before it changed and moderated politically and socially.

Look at Judaism? Can you imagine if it did not have the Western influences Israel lives today...Can you imagine being ruled by the Hassidim, walking around praying all day?

Western thought, not Judaism is the mind-set of world Jewry today.

Israel needs to understand this concept...if she makes peace and trades with her immediate neighbors, the mere Economic changes will mollify the religious attitudes of the area to create a stable peace.

Patience and the onset of Islamic Democracies are a historic opportunity for Israel to negotiate an acceptable peace..

The Hebrews influenced Western thought you fucking moron. The Ten Commandments and the principles of the OT were part of the foundation for Western Civilization. In fact the Ten commandments are still found in many Western Courthouses today. Wait don't tell me, Moses and Jesus were Muslims thousands of years before the Saudi Arabian illiterate terrorist theif arrived and brought Islam with him.

Septuagint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Septuagint (*/ˈsɛptjuːəˌdʒɪnt/) (or "LXX", or "Greek Old Testament") is a translation of the Hebrew Bible and some related texts into Greek, begun in the late 3rd century BCE. The Septuagint is quoted by the New Testament[1] (particularly by St. Paul),[2] and by the Apostolic Fathers. King Ptolemy once gathered 72 Elders. He placed them in 72 chambers, each of them in a separate one, without revealing to them why they were summoned. He entered each one's room and said: "Write for me the Torah of Moshe, your teacher." God put it in the heart of each one to translate identically as all the others did.[11]
Philo of Alexandria, who relied extensively on the Septuagint,[12] says that the number of scholars was chosen by selecting six scholars from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. This legend, with its miraculous details, underlines the fact that some Jews in antiquity wished to present the translation as authoritative.[6]

In time the LXX became synonymous with the "Greek Old Testament", i.e. a Christian canon of writings which incorporated all the books of the Hebrew canon, along with additional texts. The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches use most of the books of the Septuagint; however, Protestant churches usually do not. After the Protestant Reformation, many Protestant Bibles began to follow the Jewish canon and exclude the additional texts, which came to be called "Apocrypha" (i.e. of questionable authenticity). The Apocrypha are included under a separate heading in the King James Version of the Bible, the basis for the Revised Standard Version.[26]

(2) The Septuagint Version accepted first by the Alexandrian Jews, and afterwards by all the Greek-speaking countries, helped to spread among the Gentiles the idea and the expectation of the Messias, and to introduce into Greek the theological terminology that made it a most suitable instrument for the propagation of the Gospel of Christ.

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During the period of Seleucid rule in Palestine (c. 200–165 bce) and later Roman and Byzantine rule (63 bce–638 ce), the expectation of a personal messiah acquired increasing prominence and became the centre of a number of other eschatological concepts. The Qumrān sects, Jewish monastic groups known in modern times for their preservation of the Dead Sea Scrolls,...
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...divorced from the unitary biblical view, but a body-soul dualism (see mind-body dualism) was effectively present in such literature. In the Alexandrian version of Hellenistic Judaism, the orientation toward Greek philosophy, particularly the Platonic view of the soul imprisoned in the flesh, led to a clear-cut dualism with a negative attitude toward the body....
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Antiochus’ hellenizing policies brought him into conflict with the prosperous Oriental temple organizations, and particularly with the Jews. Since Antiochus III’s reign the Jews had enjoyed extensive autonomy under their high priest. They were divided into two parties, the orthodox Hasideans (Pious Ones) and a reform party that favoured Hellenism. For financial reasons Antiochus supported the...
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The translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek by Alexandrian Jews in the 2nd and 3rd centuries bc provided opportunities for recording interpretations that were probably current in Hellenistic Judaism. Literal translations might be misleading to Greek readers; metaphors natural in Hebrew were rendered into less-figurative Greek. “Walking with God” or “walking before...
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Though Hellenistic Jewish authors sometimes imitated biblical forms, they learned such forms from their Greek Bible (the Septuagint). Many Greek products written by Jews served as religious propaganda and probably influenced many pagans to become proselytes, or at least to abandon their heathen faith and become “God-fearing.” Thus, the Jewish literature written in Greek could be...
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Some prophets are known from the period of Hellenistic Judaism. I Maccabees, chapter 14, relates that Simon Maccabeus, who finally secured political independence for Judaea in 142 bc, was chosen as “leader and high priest forever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise.” The same notion of a prophet soon to appear is expressed in chapter 1 of I Maccabees. The Hasmonean...

 

[docmauser1]

Maybe I am mistaken; but didn't the Egyptian people just hold a democratic national election and vote in a new president?

Looks like a new president for life.

 

[Dajjal]

History has shown that any time two cultures/religions/ideologies come into contact with each other.

Both sides will be modified to some extent.

And adapt those things which it finds to be expedient or beneficial.

This is currently happening before our eyes as Western ideology/culture and Islamic religion/culture interact on the world stage.

Yea! you are right about that, but I am afraid if you think the west is going to fly the black flag you are going to be sorely dissapointed. The likely outcome of the present meltdown between the west and Islam is that Islam will die out by the next century.

 

[RoccoR]

docmauser1, et al,

That is correct.

Maybe I am mistaken; but didn't the Egyptian people just hold a democratic national election and vote in a new president?

Looks like a new president for life.

(COMMENT)

Mohammed Morsi is the new President of Egypt. He is very (very) familiar with the US, and has a US education with an advanced Engineering degree from USC (PhD).

President Morsi is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood (often described as a moderate member), which bring its own baggage. He has not really expressed an anti-American agenda, but the Muslim Brotherhood has a problem with Israel.

Currently, Egypt's friendship cost the US about a $1B/yr in foreign military aid. President Morsi is going to ask for a loan on the order of fur times that much. The US Foreign Service (Diplomacy) is going to have to cave - and recommend the loan in order to maintain the anti-American government.

Egypt is an ally of convenience at a cost. It is not a true ally come rain or shine. Our allies in that region are bought and paid for with taxpayer dollars. President Morsi knows this and will take full advantage of this American Weakness in foreign policy.

As long as we pay, we will be OK.

Most Respectfully,
R