On Islam

[Roudy]

docmauser1, et al,

That is correct.

Maybe I am mistaken; but didn't the Egyptian people just hold a democratic national election and vote in a new president?

Looks like a new president for life.

(COMMENT)

Mohammed Morsi is the new President of Egypt. He is very (very) familiar with the US, and has a US education with an advanced Engineering degree from USC (PhD).

President Morsi is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood (often described as a moderate member), which bring its own baggage. He has not really expressed an anti-American agenda, but the Muslim Brotherhood has a problem with Israel.

Currently, Egypt's friendship cost the US about a $1B/yr in foreign military aid. President Morsi is going to ask for a loan on the order of fur times that much. The US Foreign Service (Diplomacy) is going to have to cave - and recommend the loan in order to maintain the anti-American government.

Egypt is an ally of convenience at a cost. It is not a true ally come rain or shine. Our allies in that region are bought and paid for with taxpayer dollars. President Morsi knows this and will take full advantage of this American Weakness in foreign policy.

As long as we pay, we will be OK.

Most Respectfully,
R

Mohammad Morsi is a "Muslim Brotherhood" bastard child and by definition he is therefore a piece of shit Islamist that cannot be trusted. Remember how the Muslim Brotherhood promised they wouldn't be running a candidate as the protests were heating up and Egyptian freedom fighting men were gang raping 200 men for every Western journalist woman? Well, afterwards they said "things changed" and DID run their candidate. Now that an Islamist pig is in power they are telling everybody "oh we won't be running an Islamist type govt". Yeah well, dint be surprised...Once the army looses its power, "things will change" then as well. For now The Islamist snake will perform Islamic Taquiah, permissible lying to further the cause of Islam. This is the same Egyptian Muslim brotherhood that inspired Osama Bin Laden and Ayman Zawahiri, two of their honor students at the terrorist academy.

 

[Roudy]

...I don't think ANY American including my-self would want to live in an Islamic Country...yet. Islam developed because Semitic religions flourished here. Islam replaced some of the world’s most undeveloped areas economically and politically on earth save sub-Sahara Africa.

It also flourished here because Islam replaced lawlessness where the common man meant nothing...

As in areas where Economic development has occurred like Qatar, Dubai, Morocco, Islam like all other religions before it changed and moderated politically and socially.

Look at Judaism? Can you imagine if it did not have the Western influences Israel lives today...Can you imagine being ruled by the Hassidim, walking around praying all day?

Western thought, not Judaism is the mind-set of world Jewry today.

Israel needs to understand this concept...if she makes peace and trades with her immediate neighbors, the mere Economic changes will mollify the religious attitudes of the area to create a stable peace.

Patience and the onset of Islamic Democracies are a historic opportunity for Israel to negotiate an acceptable peace..

The Hebrews influenced Western thought you fucking moron. The Ten Commandments and the principles of the OT were part of the foundation for Western Civilization. In fact the Ten commandments are still found in many Western Courthouses today. Wait don't tell me, Moses and Jesus were Muslims thousands of years before the Saudi Arabian illiterate terrorist theif arrived and brought Islam with him.

Septuagint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Septuagint (*/ˈsɛptjuːəˌdʒɪnt/) (or "LXX", or "Greek Old Testament") is a translation of the Hebrew Bible and some related texts into Greek, begun in the late 3rd century BCE. The Septuagint is quoted by the New Testament[1] (particularly by St. Paul),[2] and by the Apostolic Fathers. King Ptolemy once gathered 72 Elders. He placed them in 72 chambers, each of them in a separate one, without revealing to them why they were summoned. He entered each one's room and said: "Write for me the Torah of Moshe, your teacher." God put it in the heart of each one to translate identically as all the others did.[11]
Philo of Alexandria, who relied extensively on the Septuagint,[12] says that the number of scholars was chosen by selecting six scholars from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. This legend, with its miraculous details, underlines the fact that some Jews in antiquity wished to present the translation as authoritative.[6]

In time the LXX became synonymous with the "Greek Old Testament", i.e. a Christian canon of writings which incorporated all the books of the Hebrew canon, along with additional texts. The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches use most of the books of the Septuagint; however, Protestant churches usually do not. After the Protestant Reformation, many Protestant Bibles began to follow the Jewish canon and exclude the additional texts, which came to be called "Apocrypha" (i.e. of questionable authenticity). The Apocrypha are included under a separate heading in the King James Version of the Bible, the basis for the Revised Standard Version.[26]

(2) The Septuagint Version accepted first by the Alexandrian Jews, and afterwards by all the Greek-speaking countries, helped to spread among the Gentiles the idea and the expectation of the Messias, and to introduce into Greek the theological terminology that made it a most suitable instrument for the propagation of the Gospel of Christ.

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During the period of Seleucid rule in Palestine (c. 200–165 bce) and later Roman and Byzantine rule (63 bce–638 ce), the expectation of a personal messiah acquired increasing prominence and became the centre of a number of other eschatological concepts. The Qumrān sects, Jewish monastic groups known in modern times for their preservation of the Dead Sea Scrolls,...
mind–body dualism
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...divorced from the unitary biblical view, but a body-soul dualism (see mind-body dualism) was effectively present in such literature. In the Alexandrian version of Hellenistic Judaism, the orientation toward Greek philosophy, particularly the Platonic view of the soul imprisoned in the flesh, led to a clear-cut dualism with a negative attitude toward the body....
conflict with Antiochus IV Epiphanes
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Antiochus’ hellenizing policies brought him into conflict with the prosperous Oriental temple organizations, and particularly with the Jews. Since Antiochus III’s reign the Jews had enjoyed extensive autonomy under their high priest. They were divided into two parties, the orthodox Hasideans (Pious Ones) and a reform party that favoured Hellenism. For financial reasons Antiochus supported the...
literature
biblical interpretation
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The translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek by Alexandrian Jews in the 2nd and 3rd centuries bc provided opportunities for recording interpretations that were probably current in Hellenistic Judaism. Literal translations might be misleading to Greek readers; metaphors natural in Hebrew were rendered into less-figurative Greek. “Walking with God” or “walking before...
influence of Greeks
• TITLE: biblical literature
SECTION: Persian and Hellenistic influences
Though Hellenistic Jewish authors sometimes imitated biblical forms, they learned such forms from their Greek Bible (the Septuagint). Many Greek products written by Jews served as religious propaganda and probably influenced many pagans to become proselytes, or at least to abandon their heathen faith and become “God-fearing.” Thus, the Jewish literature written in Greek could be...
myth and legend
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Myth and legend in the Hellenistic period
prophets
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Some prophets are known from the period of Hellenistic Judaism. I Maccabees, chapter 14, relates that Simon Maccabeus, who finally secured political independence for Judaea in 142 bc, was chosen as “leader and high priest forever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise.” The same notion of a prophet soon to appear is expressed in chapter 1 of I Maccabees. The Hasmonean...

Yeah so? You said Judaism did not affect Western thought, and here is proof that IT HAD A DIRECT EFFECT. So are you now busy proving yourself wrong, douchebag? Did you get lost in your own thread? Heh heh heh! Here let me show you the way...

http://www.bible-researcher.com/conybeare.html
The Septuagint, or LXX is the Jewish Scriptures in Greek. The Jews of Alexandria who made the translation a century before Jesus, included 7 books which are not in the Palestinian Canon or in the Protestant Bible. A book written by Jews was destined to make a great impact on the Greco-Roman world with the effect that Jewish theology began to have on Greek philosophy and literature. The translation of the Old Testament turned out to be a great piece of Greek literature.

It was a best seller which found its way into more pagan than Jewish homes. It was the conquering word that spread Jewish humanism and philosophy to the Greeks and Romans, so not a totally strange creed. Through reading the Septuagint, many Gentiles became converts to Judaism. The people were already familiar with the Old Testament. When Jesus came they were prepared for the Christian message. Finally, the Septuagint was the first Bible of the early Christian church. The Septuagint had given the Hellenists a Bible in the universal language of the New Testament world. In the fullness of time, when the great message came, a language was prepared to receive it.
[304, 318, 327, 330, 343, 351, BD]

Indeed a learned Jesuit Father has confessed to us what a shock he received on first making acquaintance with the Greek of the Septuagint. The Greek language did not die with Plato; it is not dead yet; like the Roman Empire it is interesting in all stages of its growth and its decline. One important stage of its life-history is the ecclesiastical Greek, which followed the introduction of Christianity. This would never have been but for the New Testament. But neither, as we have said before, would the New Testament itself have been but for the Septuagint.

 

[pbel]

The Hebrews influenced Western thought you fucking moron. The Ten Commandments and the principles of the OT were part of the foundation for Western Civilization. In fact the Ten commandments are still found in many Western Courthouses today. Wait don't tell me, Moses and Jesus were Muslims thousands of years before the Saudi Arabian illiterate terrorist theif arrived and brought Islam with him.

Septuagint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Septuagint (*/ˈsɛptjuːəˌdʒɪnt/) (or "LXX", or "Greek Old Testament") is a translation of the Hebrew Bible and some related texts into Greek, begun in the late 3rd century BCE. The Septuagint is quoted by the New Testament[1] (particularly by St. Paul),[2] and by the Apostolic Fathers. King Ptolemy once gathered 72 Elders. He placed them in 72 chambers, each of them in a separate one, without revealing to them why they were summoned. He entered each one's room and said: "Write for me the Torah of Moshe, your teacher." God put it in the heart of each one to translate identically as all the others did.[11]
Philo of Alexandria, who relied extensively on the Septuagint,[12] says that the number of scholars was chosen by selecting six scholars from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. This legend, with its miraculous details, underlines the fact that some Jews in antiquity wished to present the translation as authoritative.[6]

In time the LXX became synonymous with the "Greek Old Testament", i.e. a Christian canon of writings which incorporated all the books of the Hebrew canon, along with additional texts. The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches use most of the books of the Septuagint; however, Protestant churches usually do not. After the Protestant Reformation, many Protestant Bibles began to follow the Jewish canon and exclude the additional texts, which came to be called "Apocrypha" (i.e. of questionable authenticity). The Apocrypha are included under a separate heading in the King James Version of the Bible, the basis for the Revised Standard Version.[26]

(2) The Septuagint Version accepted first by the Alexandrian Jews, and afterwards by all the Greek-speaking countries, helped to spread among the Gentiles the idea and the expectation of the Messias, and to introduce into Greek the theological terminology that made it a most suitable instrument for the propagation of the Gospel of Christ.

Hellenistic Judaism -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

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eschatology
• TITLE: eschatology (religion)
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During the period of Seleucid rule in Palestine (c. 200–165 bce) and later Roman and Byzantine rule (63 bce–638 ce), the expectation of a personal messiah acquired increasing prominence and became the centre of a number of other eschatological concepts. The Qumrān sects, Jewish monastic groups known in modern times for their preservation of the Dead Sea Scrolls,...
mind–body dualism
• TITLE: Judaism (religion)
SECTION: The earthly-spiritual creature
...divorced from the unitary biblical view, but a body-soul dualism (see mind-body dualism) was effectively present in such literature. In the Alexandrian version of Hellenistic Judaism, the orientation toward Greek philosophy, particularly the Platonic view of the soul imprisoned in the flesh, led to a clear-cut dualism with a negative attitude toward the body....
conflict with Antiochus IV Epiphanes
• TITLE: Antiochus IV Epiphanes (Seleucid king)
SECTION: Efforts to hellenize the kingdom
Antiochus’ hellenizing policies brought him into conflict with the prosperous Oriental temple organizations, and particularly with the Jews. Since Antiochus III’s reign the Jews had enjoyed extensive autonomy under their high priest. They were divided into two parties, the orthodox Hasideans (Pious Ones) and a reform party that favoured Hellenism. For financial reasons Antiochus supported the...
literature
biblical interpretation
• TITLE: biblical literature
SECTION: The Hellenistic period
The translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek by Alexandrian Jews in the 2nd and 3rd centuries bc provided opportunities for recording interpretations that were probably current in Hellenistic Judaism. Literal translations might be misleading to Greek readers; metaphors natural in Hebrew were rendered into less-figurative Greek. “Walking with God” or “walking before...
influence of Greeks
• TITLE: biblical literature
SECTION: Persian and Hellenistic influences
Though Hellenistic Jewish authors sometimes imitated biblical forms, they learned such forms from their Greek Bible (the Septuagint). Many Greek products written by Jews served as religious propaganda and probably influenced many pagans to become proselytes, or at least to abandon their heathen faith and become “God-fearing.” Thus, the Jewish literature written in Greek could be...
myth and legend
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Myth and legend in the Hellenistic period
prophets
• TITLE: prophecy
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Some prophets are known from the period of Hellenistic Judaism. I Maccabees, chapter 14, relates that Simon Maccabeus, who finally secured political independence for Judaea in 142 bc, was chosen as “leader and high priest forever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise.” The same notion of a prophet soon to appear is expressed in chapter 1 of I Maccabees. The Hasmonean...

Yeah so? You said Judaism did not affect Western thought, and here is proof that IT HAD A DIRECT EFFECT. So are you now busy proving our wrong, douchebag? Did you get lost in your own thread? Heh heh heh! Here let me show you the way...

Conybeare and Stock on the Language of the Septuagint
The Septuagint, or LXX is the Jewish Scriptures in Greek. The Jews of Alexandria who made the translation a century before Jesus, included 7 books which are not in the Palestinian Canon or in the Protestant Bible. A book written by Jews was destined to make a great impact on the Greco-Roman world with the effect that Jewish theology began to have on Greek philosophy and literature. The translation of the Old Testament turned out to be a great piece of Greek literature.

It was a best seller which found its way into more pagan than Jewish homes. It was the conquering word that spread Jewish humanism and philosophy to the Greeks and Romans, so not a totally strange creed. Through reading the Septuagint, many Gentiles became converts to Judaism. The people were already familiar with the Old Testament. When Jesus came they were prepared for the Christian message. Finally, the Septuagint was the first Bible of the early Christian church. The Septuagint had given the Hellenists a Bible in the universal language of the New Testament world. In the fullness of time, when the great message came, a language was prepared to receive it.
[304, 318, 327, 330, 343, 351, BD]

Indeed a learned Jesuit Father has confessed to us what a shock he received on first making acquaintance with the Greek of the Septuagint. The Greek language did not die with Plato; it is not dead yet; like the Roman Empire it is interesting in all stages of its growth and its decline. One important stage of its life-history is the ecclesiastical Greek, which followed the introduction of Christianity. This would never have been but for the New Testament. But neither, as we have said before, would the New Testament itself have been but for the Septuagint.

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The advent of modernity led to radical political and legal changes for Jewry, particularly in the West. Coercive belonging to a community was replaced by voluntary adherence to what might best be called a congregation. The political and legal changes also led to many religious, cultural, financial, and social developments.

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The initial changes about two hundred years ago laid the basis for the Jewish people’s current characteristics. Understanding where Jewry is today and where it may go requires analyzing and understanding the process that has taken place since modernity’s infancy.

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Modernity has affected many disparate areas including new forms of Judaism, opting out, Jewish identity, marriage, gender relations and expression, interfaith dialogue, attitudes toward universalism and particularity, and so on. Modernity has stimulated assimilation but also has fostered new ways of expressing Jewish identity.

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Nowadays, when most Jews judge Jewish culture, they do so in light of values taken from the larger world. For many, a new issue arises: “How do I become Jewish?” Jews will increasingly have multiple options and make different choices, the more so because they do not share a common Jewish culture and are not likely to internalize the same type of norms.


“The advent of modernity led to radical political and legal changes for Jewry, particularly in the West. Coercive belonging to a community was replaced by voluntary adherence to what might best be called a congregation. Rabbis or the community thereafter could only induce people to observe, for instance, kashrut (the dietary laws) or give tzedakah (charity). They no longer had imperative religious authority, that is, coercive legal means to impose their commands or desires on individuals.”

Rabbi David Ellenson became in 2001 the eighth president of Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion (HUC-JIR), the major institution in the world for ordaining and educating Reform rabbis, cantors, and educators. He was ordained at HUC-JIR’s New York School in 1977. Ellenson also holds a PhD in the sociology of religion from Columbia University.

 

[Roudy]

Hellenistic Judaism -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

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beliefs
eschatology
• TITLE: eschatology (religion)
SECTION: Hellenistic Judaism
During the period of Seleucid rule in Palestine (c. 200–165 bce) and later Roman and Byzantine rule (63 bce–638 ce), the expectation of a personal messiah acquired increasing prominence and became the centre of a number of other eschatological concepts. The Qumrān sects, Jewish monastic groups known in modern times for their preservation of the Dead Sea Scrolls,...
mind–body dualism
• TITLE: Judaism (religion)
SECTION: The earthly-spiritual creature
...divorced from the unitary biblical view, but a body-soul dualism (see mind-body dualism) was effectively present in such literature. In the Alexandrian version of Hellenistic Judaism, the orientation toward Greek philosophy, particularly the Platonic view of the soul imprisoned in the flesh, led to a clear-cut dualism with a negative attitude toward the body....
conflict with Antiochus IV Epiphanes
• TITLE: Antiochus IV Epiphanes (Seleucid king)
SECTION: Efforts to hellenize the kingdom
Antiochus’ hellenizing policies brought him into conflict with the prosperous Oriental temple organizations, and particularly with the Jews. Since Antiochus III’s reign the Jews had enjoyed extensive autonomy under their high priest. They were divided into two parties, the orthodox Hasideans (Pious Ones) and a reform party that favoured Hellenism. For financial reasons Antiochus supported the...
literature
biblical interpretation
• TITLE: biblical literature
SECTION: The Hellenistic period
The translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek by Alexandrian Jews in the 2nd and 3rd centuries bc provided opportunities for recording interpretations that were probably current in Hellenistic Judaism. Literal translations might be misleading to Greek readers; metaphors natural in Hebrew were rendered into less-figurative Greek. “Walking with God” or “walking before...
influence of Greeks
• TITLE: biblical literature
SECTION: Persian and Hellenistic influences
Though Hellenistic Jewish authors sometimes imitated biblical forms, they learned such forms from their Greek Bible (the Septuagint). Many Greek products written by Jews served as religious propaganda and probably influenced many pagans to become proselytes, or at least to abandon their heathen faith and become “God-fearing.” Thus, the Jewish literature written in Greek could be...
myth and legend
• TITLE: Judaism (religion)
SECTION: Myth and legend in the Hellenistic period
Myth and legend in the Hellenistic period
prophets
• TITLE: prophecy
SECTION: Prophecy and prophetic religion in postbiblical Judaism
Some prophets are known from the period of Hellenistic Judaism. I Maccabees, chapter 14, relates that Simon Maccabeus, who finally secured political independence for Judaea in 142 bc, was chosen as “leader and high priest forever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise.” The same notion of a prophet soon to appear is expressed in chapter 1 of I Maccabees. The Hasmonean...

Yeah so? You said Judaism did not affect Western thought, and here is proof that IT HAD A DIRECT EFFECT. So are you now busy proving our wrong, douchebag? Did you get lost in your own thread? Heh heh heh! Here let me show you the way...

Conybeare and Stock on the Language of the Septuagint
The Septuagint, or LXX is the Jewish Scriptures in Greek. The Jews of Alexandria who made the translation a century before Jesus, included 7 books which are not in the Palestinian Canon or in the Protestant Bible. A book written by Jews was destined to make a great impact on the Greco-Roman world with the effect that Jewish theology began to have on Greek philosophy and literature. The translation of the Old Testament turned out to be a great piece of Greek literature.

It was a best seller which found its way into more pagan than Jewish homes. It was the conquering word that spread Jewish humanism and philosophy to the Greeks and Romans, so not a totally strange creed. Through reading the Septuagint, many Gentiles became converts to Judaism. The people were already familiar with the Old Testament. When Jesus came they were prepared for the Christian message. Finally, the Septuagint was the first Bible of the early Christian church. The Septuagint had given the Hellenists a Bible in the universal language of the New Testament world. In the fullness of time, when the great message came, a language was prepared to receive it.
[304, 318, 327, 330, 343, 351, BD]

Indeed a learned Jesuit Father has confessed to us what a shock he received on first making acquaintance with the Greek of the Septuagint. The Greek language did not die with Plato; it is not dead yet; like the Roman Empire it is interesting in all stages of its growth and its decline. One important stage of its life-history is the ecclesiastical Greek, which followed the introduction of Christianity. This would never have been but for the New Testament. But neither, as we have said before, would the New Testament itself have been but for the Septuagint.

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The advent of modernity led to radical political and legal changes for Jewry, particularly in the West. Coercive belonging to a community was replaced by voluntary adherence to what might best be called a congregation. The political and legal changes also led to many religious, cultural, financial, and social developments.

■
The initial changes about two hundred years ago laid the basis for the Jewish people’s current characteristics. Understanding where Jewry is today and where it may go requires analyzing and understanding the process that has taken place since modernity’s infancy.

■
Modernity has affected many disparate areas including new forms of Judaism, opting out, Jewish identity, marriage, gender relations and expression, interfaith dialogue, attitudes toward universalism and particularity, and so on. Modernity has stimulated assimilation but also has fostered new ways of expressing Jewish identity.

■
Nowadays, when most Jews judge Jewish culture, they do so in light of values taken from the larger world. For many, a new issue arises: “How do I become Jewish?” Jews will increasingly have multiple options and make different choices, the more so because they do not share a common Jewish culture and are not likely to internalize the same type of norms.


“The advent of modernity led to radical political and legal changes for Jewry, particularly in the West. Coercive belonging to a community was replaced by voluntary adherence to what might best be called a congregation. Rabbis or the community thereafter could only induce people to observe, for instance, kashrut (the dietary laws) or give tzedakah (charity). They no longer had imperative religious authority, that is, coercive legal means to impose their commands or desires on individuals.”

Rabbi David Ellenson became in 2001 the eighth president of Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion (HUC-JIR), the major institution in the world for ordaining and educating Reform rabbis, cantors, and educators. He was ordained at HUC-JIR’s New York School in 1977. Ellenson also holds a PhD in the sociology of religion from Columbia University.

You fucking drunk irrelevant fuckwit. Why do you keep kicking the thorns? oh I forgot, you're a douchebag. Enjoy my hot piss on your face, you Jew hating pig.

 

[pbel]

Yeah so? You said Judaism did not affect Western thought, and here is proof that IT HAD A DIRECT EFFECT. So are you now busy proving our wrong, douchebag? Did you get lost in your own thread? Heh heh heh! Here let me show you the way...

Conybeare and Stock on the Language of the Septuagint
The Septuagint, or LXX is the Jewish Scriptures in Greek. The Jews of Alexandria who made the translation a century before Jesus, included 7 books which are not in the Palestinian Canon or in the Protestant Bible. A book written by Jews was destined to make a great impact on the Greco-Roman world with the effect that Jewish theology began to have on Greek philosophy and literature. The translation of the Old Testament turned out to be a great piece of Greek literature.

It was a best seller which found its way into more pagan than Jewish homes. It was the conquering word that spread Jewish humanism and philosophy to the Greeks and Romans, so not a totally strange creed. Through reading the Septuagint, many Gentiles became converts to Judaism. The people were already familiar with the Old Testament. When Jesus came they were prepared for the Christian message. Finally, the Septuagint was the first Bible of the early Christian church. The Septuagint had given the Hellenists a Bible in the universal language of the New Testament world. In the fullness of time, when the great message came, a language was prepared to receive it.
[304, 318, 327, 330, 343, 351, BD]

Indeed a learned Jesuit Father has confessed to us what a shock he received on first making acquaintance with the Greek of the Septuagint. The Greek language did not die with Plato; it is not dead yet; like the Roman Empire it is interesting in all stages of its growth and its decline. One important stage of its life-history is the ecclesiastical Greek, which followed the introduction of Christianity. This would never have been but for the New Testament. But neither, as we have said before, would the New Testament itself have been but for the Septuagint.

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The advent of modernity led to radical political and legal changes for Jewry, particularly in the West. Coercive belonging to a community was replaced by voluntary adherence to what might best be called a congregation. The political and legal changes also led to many religious, cultural, financial, and social developments.

■
The initial changes about two hundred years ago laid the basis for the Jewish people’s current characteristics. Understanding where Jewry is today and where it may go requires analyzing and understanding the process that has taken place since modernity’s infancy.

■
Modernity has affected many disparate areas including new forms of Judaism, opting out, Jewish identity, marriage, gender relations and expression, interfaith dialogue, attitudes toward universalism and particularity, and so on. Modernity has stimulated assimilation but also has fostered new ways of expressing Jewish identity.

■
Nowadays, when most Jews judge Jewish culture, they do so in light of values taken from the larger world. For many, a new issue arises: “How do I become Jewish?” Jews will increasingly have multiple options and make different choices, the more so because they do not share a common Jewish culture and are not likely to internalize the same type of norms.


“The advent of modernity led to radical political and legal changes for Jewry, particularly in the West. Coercive belonging to a community was replaced by voluntary adherence to what might best be called a congregation. Rabbis or the community thereafter could only induce people to observe, for instance, kashrut (the dietary laws) or give tzedakah (charity). They no longer had imperative religious authority, that is, coercive legal means to impose their commands or desires on individuals.”

Rabbi David Ellenson became in 2001 the eighth president of Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion (HUC-JIR), the major institution in the world for ordaining and educating Reform rabbis, cantors, and educators. He was ordained at HUC-JIR’s New York School in 1977. Ellenson also holds a PhD in the sociology of religion from Columbia University.

You fucking drunk irrelevant fuckwit. Why do you keep kicking the thorns? oh I forgot, you're a douchebag. Enjoy my hot piss on your face, you Jew hating pig.

When you have nothing to offer except your juvenile vulgarity it is an indication of weakness of character and mind.

 

[irosie91]

For those who wonder what a phrase which appears in the comment posted by PEEBALLS means to wit COERCIVE BELONGING TO A COMMUNITY do not ask PEEBALLS since he has no idea I do ----but lets let PEEBALLS make a fool of himself and TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT
over to you peeeeeballs

 

[pbel]

For those who wonder what a phrase which appears in the comment posted by PEEBALLS means to wit COERCIVE BELONGING TO A COMMUNITY do not ask PEEBALLS since he has no idea I do ----but lets let PEEBALLS make a fool of himself and TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT
over to you peeeeeballs

I'm not a Judaic lawyer. However, I suppose it means that modernity and assimilation to any host state changed how Jews worshipped. Modernanity changed the nature of all religions within the western sphere. And modernaty will also change Islam.

We are headed towards my quasi religion/philosophy of Universalism.

 

[Lipush]

BTW, there are not yet Islamic democracies. maybe one day there will be

Maybe I am mistaken; but didn't the Egyptian people just hold a democratic national election and vote in a new president?

I said there is no democratic Islamic countries. I don't mean there are no democratic VOTES.

sue me, I don't think that the Muslim brotherhood, will be able to hold democracy for long.

 

[Lipush]

Turkey, Eh? I bet the people of Kurdistan will agree

Probably as much as the Palestinians in the occupied West Bank would agree that Israel is a democracy or the Bedouins in the Negev would agree that Israel is a democracy. Interesting question I think the Kurds in Turkey are given the franchise while the Palestinians in the West Bank are not !!!

On that we can agree or disagree. Depends on POV.

 

[irosie91]

anyone interested in laying bets on when Morsi gets shot?

 

[Roudy]

...I don't think ANY American including my-self would want to live in an Islamic Country...yet. Islam developed because Semitic religions flourished here. Islam replaced some of the world’s most undeveloped areas economically and politically on earth save sub-Sahara Africa.

It also flourished here because Islam replaced lawlessness where the common man meant nothing...

As in areas where Economic development has occurred like Qatar, Dubai, Morocco, Islam like all other religions before it changed and moderated politically and socially.

Look at Judaism? Can you imagine if it did not have the Western influences Israel lives today...Can you imagine being ruled by the Hassidim, walking around praying all day?

Western thought, not Judaism is the mind-set of world Jewry today.

Israel needs to understand this concept...if she makes peace and trades with her immediate neighbors, the mere Economic changes will mollify the religious attitudes of the area to create a stable peace.

Patience and the onset of Islamic Democracies are a historic opportunity for Israel to negotiate an acceptable peace..

The Hebrews influenced Western thought you fucking moron. The Ten Commandments and the principles of the OT were part of the foundation for Western Civilization. In fact the Ten commandments are still found in many Western Courthouses today. Wait don't tell me, Moses and Jesus were Muslims thousands of years before the Saudi Arabian illiterate terrorist theif arrived and brought Islam with him.

Roudy PUHLEEEEEZE you do not understand -------there are people in the world of peaballs who----for more than the past 1500 years------- have been turning themselves INSIDE OUT to divorce themselves and their culture and Jesus and Mary -----from anything JEWISH I assure you----when peaballs was six years old he believed that jesus ate bacon and eggs for breakfast and that the INNKEEPER in Bethlehem MARY because she was a christian Do you know what the CATHOLIC MASS is? The priest does a prayer over bread and wine----------well----the bread BECOMES THE BODY OF JEW BOY JESUS and the wine does turn into his blood----------its a kind of weird variation on that little kiddush thing---------that is why MARTIN LUTHER threw it out-------its too JEWISH

Some of them still believe that the american legal system stems from JUSTINIAN LAW try reading justinian law-------it would make Adolf blush-------but he did adopt some of the basics for the NUREMBURG CODE. Try not to talk to them about the real root of the American legal system------such knowlege nauseates them-------some refer to english common law-----the law that claims that if a woman floats she is a witch Some of them think THE GREEKS invented the constitution of the united states------or they cite the MAGNA CARTA -----------you just cannot wrench the stupidity out of them

Yes, irose I have heard from most anti Semites that "Jesus was a Christian". And "no way he was a Jew". NUTS.

 

[Roudy]

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You fucking drunk irrelevant fuckwit. Why do you keep kicking the thorns? oh I forgot, you're a douchebag. Enjoy my hot piss on your face, you Jew hating pig.

When you have nothing to offer except your juvenile vulgarity it is an indication of weakness of character and mind.

I not only offered I proved you wrong. Instead of acknowledging you posted irrelevant crap, meaning you wish to drink piss. So who am I to stop a Jew hating douchebag from doing what he enjoys? Remember how you admitted you sucked a sailor's dick once?

 

[Saigon]

Because all of the countries that you mentioned as a "PREFERENCE" are now slipping into the cosmic cesspool of shariah and oppressive filth-----"

You have to laugh, don't you?

Rosie, maybe you should take a trip to one of the cities or countries mentioned and have your eyes opened.

 

[Saigon]

I not only offered I proved you wrong. Instead of acknowledging you posted irrelevant crap, meaning you wish to drink piss. So who am I to stop a Jew hating douchebag from doing what he enjoys? Remember how you admitted you sucked a sailor's dick once?

How many times will you need to be warmed by the Mods before you stop posting this childish filth?

You have never won a single argument on this board, and with the kind of posting, you never will.

 

[Saigon]

BTW, there are not yet Islamic democracies. maybe one day there will be

I can think of 10....

 

[Lipush]

BTW, there are not yet Islamic democracies. maybe one day there will be

I can think of 10....

 

[Saigon]

Lipush -

It really is true...just off the top of my head....

Malaysia
Indonesia
Bangladesh
Tunisia
Egypt
Turkey
Senegal
Lebanon
Burkina Faso
Albania

 

[Lipush]

Lipush -

It really is true...just off the top of my head....

Malaysia
Indonesia
Bangladesh
Tunisia
Egypt
Turkey
Senegal
Lebanon
Burkina Faso
Albania

do the Jews of those state have the same rights as Muslims? I just came across the answer in an incident in Tunisia not long ago.

And I have said that democratic votes don't give the state any real character of democracy, for true. I don't think a country ruled by Muslim brotherhood can be democratic.

 

[Saigon]

Lipush -

I doubt Jewish minorities have an easy time in any Muslim country, but that does not mean there are not Muslim democracies.

Few of those listed are perfect, but they are a very strong sign that democracy is a growing trend in Islamic countries, and one we should celebrate.

Let's hope enhanced rights for women (and gays, and Jews and other minorities) come with it.

 

[irosie91]

Lipush -

I doubt Jewish minorities have an easy time in any Muslim country, but that does not mean there are not Muslim democracies.

Few of those listed are perfect, but they are a very strong sign that democracy is a growing trend in Islamic countries, and one we should celebrate.

Let's hope enhanced rights for women (and gays, and Jews and other minorities) come with it.

nope----the fact is that the present trend is TOWARDS THE VILE FILTH of shariah ----not away from that stink. Iran was a wonderful place for non muslims 50 years ago-----then islamic revival happened Afghanistan harbored christians, hindus and jews for MANY MANY CENTURIES------then islam happened Review history and the trend is clear----the more islam ----the more genocide Do you have any idea what happened to the 2500 year old community of jews in Tunisia?