OK, I'll admit it, our friends on the left are correct; there IS a catch to the Trump tax cuts

[Papageorgio]

so you don't think anyone but the rich should pay taxes? Any tax? and you guys thought the deficit was bad now.....holy shit....

What an idiot... Of course not... But the non Rich should pay less and they should get better services cheaper education training and a one month paid vacation cheap daycare paid parental leave and better roads and bridges and airports etc etc, doofus.

Ok, what the heck, why should non-rich get better services, cheaper education, one month paid vacation, cheap daycare, paid parental leave and better roads?

Because it's good for the country, stupid dupe

Yup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.

What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOL

One of the dumbest responses to date. Thanks for proving you are nothing but a pawn for the hater dupes.

 

[Thinker101]

so you don't think anyone but the rich should pay taxes? Any tax? and you guys thought the deficit was bad now.....holy shit....

What an idiot... Of course not... But the non Rich should pay less and they should get better services cheaper education training and a one month paid vacation cheap daycare paid parental leave and better roads and bridges and airports etc etc, doofus.

Ok, what the heck, why should non-rich get better services, cheaper education, one month paid vacation, cheap daycare, paid parental leave and better roads?

Because it's good for the country, stupid dupe

Yup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.

What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOL

With a one month paid vacation and parental leave how in the heck do you plan on being productive. That may float your boat but no one else's.

 

[francoHFW]

What an idiot... Of course not... But the non Rich should pay less and they should get better services cheaper education training and a one month paid vacation cheap daycare paid parental leave and better roads and bridges and airports etc etc, doofus.

Ok, what the heck, why should non-rich get better services, cheaper education, one month paid vacation, cheap daycare, paid parental leave and better roads?

Because it's good for the country, stupid dupe

Yup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.

What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOL

One of the dumbest responses to date. Thanks for proving you are nothing but a pawn for the hater dupes.

Any arguments at all, brainwashed functional moron? Poor America

 

[francoHFW]

What an idiot... Of course not... But the non Rich should pay less and they should get better services cheaper education training and a one month paid vacation cheap daycare paid parental leave and better roads and bridges and airports etc etc, doofus.

Ok, what the heck, why should non-rich get better services, cheaper education, one month paid vacation, cheap daycare, paid parental leave and better roads?

Because it's good for the country, stupid dupe

Yup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.

What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOL

With a one month paid vacation and parental leave how in the heck do you plan on being productive. That may float your boat but no one else's.

 

[francoHFW]

What an idiot... Of course not... But the non Rich should pay less and they should get better services cheaper education training and a one month paid vacation cheap daycare paid parental leave and better roads and bridges and airports etc etc, doofus.

Ok, what the heck, why should non-rich get better services, cheaper education, one month paid vacation, cheap daycare, paid parental leave and better roads?

Because it's good for the country, stupid dupe

Yup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.

What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOL

With a one month paid vacation and parental leave how in the heck do you plan on being productive. That may float your boat but no one else's.

Every other modern country has all that stuff, super dupes.

 

[Thinker101]

Ok, what the heck, why should non-rich get better services, cheaper education, one month paid vacation, cheap daycare, paid parental leave and better roads?

Because it's good for the country, stupid dupe

Yup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.

What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOL

With a one month paid vacation and parental leave how in the heck do you plan on being productive. That may float your boat but no one else's.

Every other modern country has all that stuff, super dupes.

Maybe you ought to move to one of those "modern" countries....dumbass.

 

[Markle]

How much do the rich pay in taxes?

How much does Trump pay in taxes? How much do the Koch family pay? How about the Mars family?

Come on, tell me how much they pay in taxes.

I can accept a round figure, I can accept a percentage of their income. Try me.

You could confiscate every dime of wealth all those families own, along with George Soros whom you forgot to mention and it wouldn't pay for a week of running out government.

Specifically, why do you believe it is a great thing to punish success and reward failure?

 

[francoHFW]

Because it's good for the country, stupid dupe

Yup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.

What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOL

With a one month paid vacation and parental leave how in the heck do you plan on being productive. That may float your boat but no one else's.

Every other modern country has all that stuff, super dupes.

Maybe you ought to move to one of those "modern" countries....dumbass.

I've already tried that and you can't do it unless you're billionaire a doctor or sent there by a corporation... And I noticed that I love America and Americans even dumbass loudmouth jackasses like you LOL... Thanks to the fact that Democrats are here to make us passable... When Democrats get in again and have control for the first time since LBJ, will fix it... As it is we now have Medicaid for poor workers and the beginning of a solution to our ridiculous GOP scam Health System, and we appear to leading the world in legalizing marijuana. Except for Canada... Only jackass Republicans in the whole world believe in America love it or leave it. You are a disgrace, Dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

How much do the rich pay in taxes?

How much does Trump pay in taxes? How much do the Koch family pay? How about the Mars family?

Come on, tell me how much they pay in taxes.

I can accept a round figure, I can accept a percentage of their income. Try me.

You could confiscate every dime of wealth all those families own, along with George Soros whom you forgot to mention and it wouldn't pay for a week of running out government.

Specifically, why do you believe it is a great thing to punish success and reward failure?

Nobody's saying we should do that, super dupe. And it would take years to recover from the mess your lying thieving Heroes Have Made of our country.

 

[francoHFW]

Ok, what the heck, why should non-rich get better services, cheaper education, one month paid vacation, cheap daycare, paid parental leave and better roads?

Because it's good for the country, stupid dupe

Yup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.

What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOL

With a one month paid vacation and parental leave how in the heck do you plan on being productive. That may float your boat but no one else's.

it works in every
Other modern country, dumbass dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

What an idiot... Of course not... But the non Rich should pay less and they should get better services cheaper education training and a one month paid vacation cheap daycare paid parental leave and better roads and bridges and airports etc etc, doofus.

Ok, what the heck, why should non-rich get better services, cheaper education, one month paid vacation, cheap daycare, paid parental leave and better roads?

Because it's good for the country, stupid dupe

Yup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.

What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOL

With a one month paid vacation and parental leave how in the heck do you plan on being productive. That may float your boat but no one else's.

I am still retired... If only you dupes weren't blinded by selfishness to the point that you believe everyone is... Duped again...

 

[Papageorgio]

Ok, what the heck, why should non-rich get better services, cheaper education, one month paid vacation, cheap daycare, paid parental leave and better roads?

Because it's good for the country, stupid dupe

Yup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.

What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOL

One of the dumbest responses to date. Thanks for proving you are nothing but a pawn for the hater dupes.

Any arguments at all, brainwashed functional moron? Poor America

I was waiting for you to make an argument, you claim it is ruining America, even though I will get the largest tax break in my lifetime, even though I am middle class. The left didn’t give a damn about the deficit for 8 years, I have wanted higher taxes for all and a huge reduction of spending for decades, yet you dupes think we need to increase spending and increase taxes, only on certain people, usually those you are envious of.

 

[frigidweirdo]

How much do the rich pay in taxes?

How much does Trump pay in taxes? How much do the Koch family pay? How about the Mars family?

Come on, tell me how much they pay in taxes.

I can accept a round figure, I can accept a percentage of their income. Try me.

How Much Do Rich Americans Pay in Taxes?

The problem here Ray, is that A) you're listening to the reporter who do the bidding for the rich and B) you're playing games with facts to make it look like something it isn't.

See the average income tax for those who earn $10 million or more is LOWER than those who earn $1 million? And yet there's nothing there about the multitudes who earn LESS than $1 million. We call it cherry picking Ray.

Also, this is ONLY income tax. It doesn't include other taxes which the rich manage to get past.

And they've manage to dupe the fuck out of your ass, as you're their star fucking cheer leader with big tits.

"Billionaire investing guru Warren Buffett is famous for saying that he pays a lower income tax rate than his secretary, "

How much? How much does Buffett pay?

I asked a SPECIFIC question and all you did was post a webpage which DOES NOT answer my question.

"Thanks to tax loopholes like those, one out of every three of America's top 400 income earners, each of whom had income above $110 million, paid a tax rate that was less than 15% in 2008, "

Less than 15%. 0% is less than 15%. -30% is less than 15%.

So how much do these one in three top 400 earns actually pay? You can't tell me, can you?

8% of these, that's 32 billionaires, pay under 10%. Who's betting that these people are people like the Koch brothers, the people who spend a lot of money making sure they don't end up paying taxes. Instead they spend it on fooling people like you.

But again Ray, all this says is INCOME TAX.

I didn't ask about INCOME TAX. I asked about TAX.

So, do you have this information, or are you just going to throw websites at me which don't tell me anything?

You must think we have a flat tax in this country or something. Many of those billionaires make their money on capital gains---not income. Because of that, they are taxed differently. There are also low taxed bonds and those sort of things that keep their taxes lower even though they don't get a tremendous return as they would other investments.

What I can't figure out is your argument: is it the rich vs the richer or is it the rich vs the average person that you're upset about???? Remember that it's people like Buffett that are aiding our retirement accounts in the market. We want to encourage that--not discourage it.

Top 40% paying ALL income taxes, and leaving a tip

Buffet is yet another leftist hypocrite. How long did he fight the IRS last time because he felt he was paying too much in taxes? Think Buffett doesn't take every tax write-off he's allowed to? How about Gates? How about the Hollywood left?

The New York Times Paid No Taxes in 2014 - Breitbart

Yes, I know they're taxed differently.

The question I asked was "HOW MUCH DO THEY PAY IN TAX?" and your answer was "here's some article about one type of tax" and my response was "that doesn't tell me ANYTHING".

It's that simple.

You think Buffett is doing all this for you? He's not. There's a reason we don't know how much these people pay, and it's because they don't want us to know how little they're paying.

Actually I think because it's none of our business. No matter what they pay, it's still a hell of a lot more than what your average American pays.

No, Buffett isn't doing anything for me, it just happens to work out that way. The reason we have lower capital gains taxes IS to encourage investments that do benefit all of us.

And that's the other thing that bothers me so much about these topics. The wealthy do benefit our society greatly. They create jobs, new taxation, products, services, and all the left can think of doing is cutting them down. The people they defend are the leaches of our society that contribute little or nothing, create problems for society, and people we can generally do without if you ask me.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand that mindset.

I'd say it would be none of our business if what they were paying were FAIR.

The problem is some of them have managed to buy Congress, buy politicians and when it becomes that corrupt, it is the business of the people.

One thing is to encourage investment. Another is to encourage rich people to give lots of money to politicians to do the bidding of the rich. Taxing the rich at a lower rate might encourage investment, but taxing the poorer people at a lower rate can encourage spending, as can taxing the Middle Class at a lower rate. You can make such arguments all day, but that doesn't stop things being unfair.

I'm not talking here about taxing the wealthy to death. I'm talking about making them pay a fair amount which people can trust in. The problem is you have the Koch brothers trying to take over the country. That doesn't benefit you. The partisan politics that they're defending because it's in their interests is killing the country.

There is a problem also with the leaches of society. But the rich don't care. They like having these people in order to create an environment where they can manipulate people all the time.

 

[dcbl]

I'd say it would be none of our business if what they were paying were FAIR.

ah yes, our friends on the left; ever the arbitrators of what is "fair"

why is it always "fair" to them to take more of my money and give it to those that don't want to work

 

[dcbl]

I'm not talking here about taxing the wealthy to death. I'm talking about making them pay a fair amount which people can trust in.

serious question:

how much more than 70% of all taxes paid by the top 10% of wealthiest Americans would be "fair"???

the problem with your take on this is that your solution stifles growth & creates more restrictive impediments on the middle class to actually make it into that elusive "wealthy class"

real wealth; like that of the Kennedy's & Soros' of the world, is untouched; but the EARNINGS of the little guy & the great unwashed middle class are assaulted

not to mention that people that make $100,000 are considered "rich"

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2015 Update - Tax Foundation

 

[frigidweirdo]

You actually have to work and make enough money to pay taxes to actually benefit.

That godam Trump and the evil republicans running the government fuck the little guy at every turn...

Or, you have to be screwing the govt over, in order to be making an absolute killing out of it.

We still won't know how much the rich are playing in taxes before or after, the catch must be they were paying little before, and they'll be paying fucking nothing after. In fact the govt will pay them to be rich.

where do you come up with this shit?
the rich are paying little, what does that mean numerically?do

How much do the rich pay in taxes?

How much does Trump pay in taxes? How much do the Koch family pay? How about the Mars family?

Come on, tell me how much they pay in taxes.

I can accept a round figure, I can accept a percentage of their income. Try me.

I asked you fag boy....so what does the "rich" pay?
Who cares about individual families....what do the Clintons pay? what does George Soros pay, or Tom Steyer?

Do they take all their tax breaks? Do they not pay their fair share?

you cant win this battle, because you position is shit.......now back to the original question.

this is your statement, not mine

"We still won't know how much the rich are playing in taxes before or after, the catch must be they were paying little before, and they'll be paying fucking nothing after. In fact the govt will pay them to be rich"

so how much do the rich pay?
And how will they pay nothing?
and why didn't Obama make them pay more?

I have no idea what the fuck you're going on about. It looks like you're insulting, but you didn't even seem to be able to get that right.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I'd say it would be none of our business if what they were paying were FAIR.

ah yes, our friends on the left; ever the arbitrators of what is "fair"

why is it always "fair" to them to take more of my money and give it to those that don't want to work

I didn't say it was fair to do that.

Are you just making things up that you believe I will say?

 

[frigidweirdo]

I'm not talking here about taxing the wealthy to death. I'm talking about making them pay a fair amount which people can trust in.

serious question:

how much more than 70% of all taxes paid by the top 10% of wealthiest Americans would be "fair"???

the problem with your take on this is that your solution stifles growth & creates more restrictive impediments on the middle class to actually make it into that elusive "wealthy class"

real wealth; like that of the Kennedy's & Soros' of the world, is untouched; but the EARNINGS of the little guy & the great unwashed middle class are assaulted

not to mention that people that make $100,000 are considered "rich"

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2015 Update - Tax Foundation

The problem here is this.

1) The rich get lots of incentives. Trump was paid nearly $1 billion by New York in his time to do business. Then when he earns money from this, you say he shouldn't be paying much money in taxes. You forget the percentage of what he earns and just look at the amount, which is ridiculous.

2) said incentives prevent other businesses from competing on a level playing field. Which means the rich get richer and richer and then you point out they pay lots in tax. Sure they do, but by paying LESS as a percentage the smaller businesses are paying MORE as a percentage to make up the shortfall, and therefore they're struggling even more to compete with these companies.

Do you think it's fair that the rich should pay less taxes so they can make more money so they can put smaller businesses out of business?

 

[dcbl]

I didn't say it was fair to do that.

Are you just making things up that you believe I will say?

You seem very upset about the tax cut

This tax cut will help me keep more of My money

In fact, the only ones that get "hurt" are the wealthiest landowners

So why the outrage friend?

 

[francoHFW]

Because it's good for the country, stupid dupe

Yup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.

What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOL

One of the dumbest responses to date. Thanks for proving you are nothing but a pawn for the hater dupes.

Any arguments at all, brainwashed functional moron? Poor America

I was waiting for you to make an argument, you claim it is ruining America, even though I will get the largest tax break in my lifetime, even though I am middle class. The left didn’t give a damn about the deficit for 8 years, I have wanted higher taxes for all and a huge reduction of spending for decades, yet you dupes think we need to increase spending and increase taxes, only on certain people, usually those you are envious of.

And the ones who have been getting all the new Wealth for 35 years... We need consumer demand in this country and not gigantic tax breaks for the rich who are so bloated it's ridiculous. And the biggest tax break you got ever was the payroll tax breaks Obama gave you and which the GOP would not extend.