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I didn't say they weren't a right. I said, in the cases of 100% positive evidence, the appeals should be 2 year maximum. If the case is not 100% positive evidence, then the death penalty should not even be considered in the first place. This is quite simple.Appeals are a RIGHT of every American citizen. Nothing moronic about it. It protects people from the government.
I think YOU DO think so. I think YOU KNOW so. Only an idiot wouldn't, and you're not that.I don't think so.
Nevada
A recent study commissioned by the Nevada legislature found that the average death penalty case costs a half million dollars more than a case in which the death penalty is not sought. The Legislative Auditor estimated the cost of a murder trial in which the death penalty was sought cost $1.03 to $1.3 million, whereas cases without the death penalty cost $775,000. The auditor summarized the study's findings, saying, "Adjudicating death penalty cases takes more time and resources compared to murder cases where the death penalty sentence is not pursued as an option. These cases are more costly because there are procedural safeguards in place to ensure the sentence is just and free from error." The study noted that the extra costs of a death penalty trial were still incurred even in cases where a jury chose a lesser sentence, with those cases costing $1.2 million. The study was based on a sample of Nevada murder cases and include the costs of incarceration. Because certain court and prosecution costs could not be obtained, the authors said the costs were, "understated," and may be higher than the estimates given.
Kansas
Defending a death penalty case costs about four times as much as defending a case where the death penalty is not sought, according to a new study by the Kansas Judicial Council. Examining 34 potential death-penalty cases from 2004-2011, the study found that defense costs for death penalty trials averaged $395,762 per case, compared to $98,963 per case when the death penalty was not sought. Costs incurred by the trial court showed a similar disparity: $72,530 for cases with the death penalty; $21,554 for those without. Even in cases that ended in a guilty plea and did not go to trial, cases where the death penalty was sought incurred about twice the costs for both defense ($130,595 v. $64,711) and courts ($16,263 v. $7,384), compared to cases where death was not sought. The time spent on death cases was also much higher. Jury trials averaged 40.13 days in cases where the death penalty was being sought, but only 16.79 days when it was not an option. Justices of the Kansas Supreme Court assigned to write opinions estimated they spent 20 times more hours on death penalty appeals than on non-death appeals. The Department of Corrections said housing prisoners on death row cost more than twice as much per year ($49,380) as for prisoners in the general population ($24,690).
Idaho
A new, but limited, study of the costs of the death penalty in Idaho found that capital cases are more costly and take much more time to resolve than non-capital cases. One measure of death-penalty costs was reflected in the time spent by attorneys handling appeals. The State Appellate Public Defenders office spent about 44 times more time on a typical death penalty appeal than on a life sentence appeal (almost 8,000 hours per capital defendant compared to about 180 hours per non-death penalty defendant). Capital cases with trials took 20.5 months to reach a conclusion while non-capital cases with trials took 13.5 months. The study was commissioned by the Joint Legislative Oversight Committee and performed by the Office of Performance Evaluations.The study also noted how infrequently the death penalty was applied in Idaho: of the 251 defendants who were charged with first-degree murder since 1998, the death penalty was sought against 55 (22%) of them, and just 7 were sentenced to death. More than half of the 40 people sentenced to death since 1977 have received lesser sentences after their death sentences were overturned.
Colorado
A new study of the cost of the death penalty in Colorado revealed that capital proceedings requiresix times more days in court and take much longer to resolve than life-without-parole (LWOP) cases. The study, published in the University of Denver Criminal Law Review, found that LWOP cases required an average of 24.5 days of in-court time, while the death-penalty cases required 147.6 days. The authors noted that selecting a jury in an LWOP case takes about a day and a half; in a capital case, jury selection averages 26 days. In measuring the comparative time it takes to go from charging a defendant to final sentencing, the study found that LWOP cases took an average of 526 days to complete; death cases took almost 4 calendar years longer--1,902 days. The study found that even when a death-penalty case ends in a plea agreement and a life sentence, the process takes a year and a half longer than an LWOP case with a trial.
We have built a system of dependency on the Appeal Process as hundreds of people depend on their pay checks from them.
I am in firm agreement that our appeals take far too long. If pro and con can't get an appeal through the courts in two years, then the system is broken.I didn't say they weren't a right. I said, in the cases of 100% positive evidence, the appeals should be 2 year maximum. If the case is not 100% positive evidence, then the death penalty should not even be considered in the first place. This is quite simple.Appeals are a RIGHT of every American citizen. Nothing moronic about it. It protects people from the government.
We have built a system of dependency on the Appeal Process as hundreds of people depend on their pay checks from them.
Nevada
A recent study commissioned by the Nevada legislature found that the average death penalty case costs a half million dollars more than a case in which the death penalty is not sought. The Legislative Auditor estimated the cost of a murder trial in which the death penalty was sought cost $1.03 to $1.3 million, whereas cases without the death penalty cost $775,000. The auditor summarized the study's findings, saying, "Adjudicating death penalty cases takes more time and resources compared to murder cases where the death penalty sentence is not pursued as an option. These cases are more costly because there are procedural safeguards in place to ensure the sentence is just and free from error." The study noted that the extra costs of a death penalty trial were still incurred even in cases where a jury chose a lesser sentence, with those cases costing $1.2 million. The study was based on a sample of Nevada murder cases and include the costs of incarceration. Because certain court and prosecution costs could not be obtained, the authors said the costs were, "understated," and may be higher than the estimates given.
Kansas
Defending a death penalty case costs about four times as much as defending a case where the death penalty is not sought, according to a new study by the Kansas Judicial Council. Examining 34 potential death-penalty cases from 2004-2011, the study found that defense costs for death penalty trials averaged $395,762 per case, compared to $98,963 per case when the death penalty was not sought. Costs incurred by the trial court showed a similar disparity: $72,530 for cases with the death penalty; $21,554 for those without. Even in cases that ended in a guilty plea and did not go to trial, cases where the death penalty was sought incurred about twice the costs for both defense ($130,595 v. $64,711) and courts ($16,263 v. $7,384), compared to cases where death was not sought. The time spent on death cases was also much higher. Jury trials averaged 40.13 days in cases where the death penalty was being sought, but only 16.79 days when it was not an option. Justices of the Kansas Supreme Court assigned to write opinions estimated they spent 20 times more hours on death penalty appeals than on non-death appeals. The Department of Corrections said housing prisoners on death row cost more than twice as much per year ($49,380) as for prisoners in the general population ($24,690).
Idaho
A new, but limited, study of the costs of the death penalty in Idaho found that capital cases are more costly and take much more time to resolve than non-capital cases. One measure of death-penalty costs was reflected in the time spent by attorneys handling appeals. The State Appellate Public Defenders office spent about 44 times more time on a typical death penalty appeal than on a life sentence appeal (almost 8,000 hours per capital defendant compared to about 180 hours per non-death penalty defendant). Capital cases with trials took 20.5 months to reach a conclusion while non-capital cases with trials took 13.5 months. The study was commissioned by the Joint Legislative Oversight Committee and performed by the Office of Performance Evaluations.The study also noted how infrequently the death penalty was applied in Idaho: of the 251 defendants who were charged with first-degree murder since 1998, the death penalty was sought against 55 (22%) of them, and just 7 were sentenced to death. More than half of the 40 people sentenced to death since 1977 have received lesser sentences after their death sentences were overturned.
Colorado
A new study of the cost of the death penalty in Colorado revealed that capital proceedings requiresix times more days in court and take much longer to resolve than life-without-parole (LWOP) cases. The study, published in the University of Denver Criminal Law Review, found that LWOP cases required an average of 24.5 days of in-court time, while the death-penalty cases required 147.6 days. The authors noted that selecting a jury in an LWOP case takes about a day and a half; in a capital case, jury selection averages 26 days. In measuring the comparative time it takes to go from charging a defendant to final sentencing, the study found that LWOP cases took an average of 526 days to complete; death cases took almost 4 calendar years longer--1,902 days. The study found that even when a death-penalty case ends in a plea agreement and a life sentence, the process takes a year and a half longer than an LWOP case with a trial.
We have built a system of dependency on the Appeal Process as hundreds of people depend on their pay checks from them.
The appeals process is VERY important in a death penalty case. It is a right of every United States citizen. Even with the extensive appeals process, you can see by my earlier link that innocent people are STILL convicted in some cases. The government (and the police departments, etc.) have the upper hand, and that is why we have such extensive appeals processes . . . to make sure people aren't being railroaded, imprisoned under false charges, etc. (which has and does still actually happen).
Death Penalty Appeals Process | Capital Punishment in Context
Most cases are tried by jury; either we have a trial by jury, which is unique to the US or by jurist.Every guilty verdict is another notch in a state prosecutor's belt. Remember the case where false charges were brought up against some men at some university for raping a woman a few years back? It is all very "bureaucratic." That is just one reason why the appeals process is very important (or should be) to all citizens of this country.
I am in firm agreement that our appeals take far too long. If pro and con can't get an appeal through the courts in two years, then the system is broken.I didn't say they weren't a right. I said, in the cases of 100% positive evidence, the appeals should be 2 year maximum. If the case is not 100% positive evidence, then the death penalty should not even be considered in the first place. This is quite simple.Appeals are a RIGHT of every American citizen. Nothing moronic about it. It protects people from the government.
For once, we agree Jake. And you might also agree that this absurdly long appeals process, is what causes the death penalty to be very expensive. It's not the death penalty that is expensive, it is the unecessarily, ridiculously long appeals process that is.I am in firm agreement that our appeals take far too long. If pro and con can't get an appeal through the courts in two years, then the system is broken.
I am in firm agreement that our appeals take far too long. If pro and con can't get an appeal through the courts in two years, then the system is broken.I didn't say they weren't a right. I said, in the cases of 100% positive evidence, the appeals should be 2 year maximum. If the case is not 100% positive evidence, then the death penalty should not even be considered in the first place. This is quite simple.Appeals are a RIGHT of every American citizen. Nothing moronic about it. It protects people from the government.
It takes so long because it is another separate trial. All evidence is going to be presented again. It's an opportunity to present new evidence, and all the facts surrounding the case are going to be carefully reviewed. Also, there is going to be much more involving the defendant's personal life, what kind of a person he/she is. Friends and family members will have an opportunity to testify on behalf of their loved one. The victim's families also have the opportunity to testify on behalf of their loved one (s). It's very complicated and for good reason. To protect citizens from false imprisonment/execution by the government.
Only barbaric nations still use the death penalty
That isn't what he said at all. way to deflect the OP as usual toothless.By your logic, every criminal should be auto-executed, lest they harm someone later.
Decent people reject that ogic.
I am in firm agreement that our appeals take far too long. If pro and con can't get an appeal through the courts in two years, then the system is broken.I didn't say they weren't a right. I said, in the cases of 100% positive evidence, the appeals should be 2 year maximum. If the case is not 100% positive evidence, then the death penalty should not even be considered in the first place. This is quite simple.Appeals are a RIGHT of every American citizen. Nothing moronic about it. It protects people from the government.
It takes so long because it is another separate trial. All evidence is going to be presented again. It's an opportunity to present new evidence, and all the facts surrounding the case are going to be carefully reviewed. Also, there is going to be much more involving the defendant's personal life, what kind of a person he/she is. Friends and family members will have an opportunity to testify on behalf of their loved one. The victim's families also have the opportunity to testify on behalf of their loved one (s). It's very complicated and for good reason. To protect citizens from false imprisonment/execution by the government.
97% of Civil cases are settled while Capital cases, obviously, are not.
The overwhelming majority of people on Death Row are statistically guilty.
Do mistakes happen? Absolutely.
Is money wasted that could have been spent on better causes? Absolutely.
Oh, so then you're personally responsible for every rapist who escapes and rapes again. At least by your logic, that isOh, so then you're personally responsible for every rapist who escapes and rapes again. At least by your logic, that is.
All of which can be accomplished within 2 years. Remember, we're talking about 100% positive evidence cases only. To argue in favor of DECADES long appeals, is about as assinine as anything that's ever been posted in USMB. I'm beginning to re-examine my view of your intelligence, ChrisL.It takes so long because it is another separate trial. All evidence is going to be presented again. It's an opportunity to present new evidence, and all the facts surrounding the case are going to be carefully reviewed. Also, there is going to be much more involving the defendant's personal life, what kind of a person he/she is. Friends and family members will have an opportunity to testify on behalf of their loved one. The victim's families also have the opportunity to testify on behalf of their loved one (s). It's very complicated and for good reason. To protect citizens from false imprisonment/execution by the government.
Only barbaric nations still use the death penalty
As opposed to?
"Hey guy, now's YOUR opportunity to live in a CAGE with an exposed TOILET!"
Very humane.
I am in firm agreement that our appeals take far too long. If pro and con can't get an appeal through the courts in two years, then the system is broken.I didn't say they weren't a right. I said, in the cases of 100% positive evidence, the appeals should be 2 year maximum. If the case is not 100% positive evidence, then the death penalty should not even be considered in the first place. This is quite simple.Appeals are a RIGHT of every American citizen. Nothing moronic about it. It protects people from the government.
It takes so long because it is another separate trial. All evidence is going to be presented again. It's an opportunity to present new evidence, and all the facts surrounding the case are going to be carefully reviewed. Also, there is going to be much more involving the defendant's personal life, what kind of a person he/she is. Friends and family members will have an opportunity to testify on behalf of their loved one. The victim's families also have the opportunity to testify on behalf of their loved one (s). It's very complicated and for good reason. To protect citizens from false imprisonment/execution by the government.
97% of Civil cases are settled while Capital cases, obviously, are not.
The overwhelming majority of people on Death Row are statistically guilty.
Do mistakes happen? Absolutely.
Is money wasted that could have been spent on better causes? Absolutely.
and yet the innocence project has freed over 150 people on death row who were actually innocent.
yeah, convict 'em and fry 'em....
let G-d sort it out later, eh?
