JOKER96BRAVO
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- Aug 13, 2004
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Thanx Bonnie,
I'm not to good with words but I feel the same way.
I'm not to good with words but I feel the same way.
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musicman said:AJ:
"You want proof that human cloning has ALREADY been accomplished."
Yes, I do. YOU STATED IT AS A FACT. You offered it as refutation of my points. You danced around gleefully as if you had sprung some devilishly clever trap. Once again, when you've been shut down by the truth, you've attempted to present the hypothetical as actual - and, when you got called on it, you tried to slither away with, "you missed my point." The truth is not in you, AJ. I DEFY you to get through one debate without resorting to these slimy tactics. I, personally, don't think you can do it.
JOKER96BRAVO said:Here... I'll make it simple.
Boy meets girl
blah blah blah
They get an abortion.
Are they not a part of society???
Is that not one step further for social acceptance of abortion???
Have we allowed a young couple to believe that it is alright to
have all the careless sex in the world because you can always get an abortion???
What a "person" decides does have an effect on others around them, even if you don't know it.
ajwps said:It seems that you find only yourself as having difficulty finding proof or evidence for 'human life' in the fetus. The fact that mamalian cellular cloning is well documented but that human cloning has been claimed but not demonstrated has no bearing on the topic but you slip and slide around.
Hypothetically or in reality the fact remains that you hold the unborn fetus as a helpless human being. You chose to err rather than to defend your premise.
To keep you from slithering away with your unprovable position, a valid incline has been placed in front of you as you will continue to slide backward if you try to climb truth.
Your false abortion opinions are like traps, struck first by foolishness and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate this erred concept without knowing what they are doing.
Your malicious accusations against me just illustrate your own self-doubt.
ajwps said:Yes the boy and girl are part of the society of living human beings.
NO
"WE" haven't allowed anyone to believe anything. You must mean casual sex as apposed to careless sex which would indicate tripping over a brick and falling into a woman resulting in a pregnancy.
You must have forgotten that abortions have been done as long as history has been recorded. Neither society nor the fact that women have always been able to obtain abortions has anything to do with societies approval.
If a person decides to become a pilot, jump off of a building or get an abortion, how exactly does that effect others around them to follow the leader?
rtwngAvngr said:You're an intellectually dishonest joke of a human without a shred of credibility left. Your many lies and switching of arguments are apparent. First you tried to use science to justify your abominable position. Then you switched to a biblical defense. You're the one squirming like a snake, the prince of the air.
musicman said:Good afternoon, RWA. How are you?
rtwngAvngr said:Hey mm. Doing good. Trying to find a way to get over the pain of being put on ignore by aj.
dilloduck said:While pro-choice like to deny the existence of a life or a soul in a fetus, this argument in merely a red herring ! This is an attempt by feminine activism to have CONTROL. When oppressed people fight for thier rights they inevitably want MORE rights than those who oppressed them. To defeat pro-choice one needs to focus on challenging thier right to control. Ask any pro-choice woman if she would be willing to share that "right" with a male partner.
r2200t said:If abortion is to be performed, i think both partners must agree.
dilloduck said:how about mastubate and read a good book?
r2200t said:masturbatting gets boring after a while.. not like the real thing. So although it can help make abstenance last longer between real sex, it's also a temporary solution.
reading books is and excellent idea, so is playing video games etc... But i find that fewer people are finding reading good enough, they are more like pass time activities, I did read some books, and play some video games, but they were not sufficient in reducing the need for anti-depressants (when needed).
rtwngAvngr said:Well, your partner in idiocy insists they're not alive. Babies are totally dependant on the mother too. Are their lives less important? You're beaten, bested, and dismissed. Two snaps up!
Bullypulpit said:Sorry boyo. A baby is not dependent ex utero upon the life and health of the mother as a fetus is. Some one can take over the care of the baby in the mothers abscence. Your analogy is false, your argument is flawed...But that is to be expected.
Bullypulpit said:Sorry boyo. A baby is not dependent ex utero upon the life and health of the mother as a fetus is. Some one can take over the care of the baby in the mothers abscence. Your analogy is false, your argument is flawed...But that is to be expected.
JOKER96BRAVO said:Man you really are that dense huh???
So you are saying that personal decisions have no influence on anyone else in this world??? Bullshit, If me and my wife got an abortion, what would that tell my daughter when she turns 16?
It would tell her that it's ok to have "careless" sex with no consiquenses. Hmmm Actions without consiquence. That means I
could kill someone and since I chose to do it, it will not have an effect on
anyone else right???
musicman said:Just a quick observation, to no one in particular (or to everyone):
While abortion, or the termination of pregnancy by some other means, has been practiced all throughout history, we, who live in these times, are seeing something unique. That is, in no other civilization in history did this practice enjoy universal acceptance. Indeed - the option of abortion on demand now has, conferred upon it, the status of a "right".
It is, therefore, ludicrous to use the fact that abortion is not new, to argue that it has no ill effect on society. The widespread acceptance of the practice is what must be gagued. And common sense tells me that the cheapening of human life - the outright subordination of the right to life to the dictates of personal convenience - does not bode well for humanity.
I cannot say, with absolute, precise certainty, when life begins. Moreover, I never claimed to be able to. But, my point is, no one can. We can toss hypotheticals and philosophies around until we're blue in the face. It won't change the fact that we just don't know.
Since we don't know, I ask you: What is the prudent thing to do? What is the decent thing to do? What is the life-affirming thing to do?