Offical Impeachment Thread

[beagle9]

He had every right to hold up aid if the reason was to investigate or find out if Ukraine interfered in the 2016 elections, and if the Bidens were involved in that corruption over time as well. Not doing these things if have suspicion's of, would constitute a dereliction of duty.

We already know this Ukraine election meddling has been debunked.

But Putin thanks you for it.

Debunked? LOL

Ukraine placed bet on Hillary, and worked against Trump.

Here is Financial Times article from 2016. They proclaimed that Trump is "pro-Russian" without anything to support it and supported Hillary who was "pro-Ukrainian", because Barry send them blankets and MREs.

Ukraine’s leaders campaign against ‘pro-Putin’ Trump

Mr Leshchenko and Ukraine’s anti-corruption bureau published a secret ledger this month that authorities claim show millions of dollars of off-the-book cash payments to Paul Manafort, Mr Trump’s campaign director, while he was advising Mr Yanukovich’s Regions party from 2005.

No support for their claim that Trump was pro-Russia?

Okay, Never mind his statement that he would consider recognizing Crimea as Russian territory and lifting the sanctions against Russia if he were elected.


It's all moot now anyway. Trump is clearly all the way up inside Putin's Russian ass.

Other than releasing the American energy industry....which hurts putin

Telling NATO to pay for their militaries...which hurts putin.

Telling Germany to stop building a pipeline to Russia...which hurts putin.

Supplying the Ukraine with actual military weapons to fight russia...which hurts putin.

Killing russian soldiers in Syria...which hurts putin.

There are others, but those are off the top of my head.

Believed Putin over US Intel agencies
Pulled out of Syria giving it to Putin
Wants Putin back in the G7
Offered Putin a free penthouse in Trump Tower Moscow.
Left the Russian election interference wide open for 2020
Ended a nuclear agreement to give Putin a green light to build new nukes
Ending a mutual fly over agreement to verify nuke agreements so Putin can make more nukes

Putin has got to be amused at how much you think America controls him and Russia in the world. Do you realize that Russia is a super power just like we are ??? Do you realize that they have some of the most power nukes in the world, just like we do ??

Do you think that we can control or rule the world ??

 

[charwin95]

Wrong. Your people started these corruptions. Trump is the most corrupted disgusting dishonest POTUS. Trump is not a good person.

If your boi was smart enough to make an illegal move. The whole country would not be in this predicament. The Trump team are so inept and stupid they could have done this very easily without all the other people involved.

But Nah! It has to be a grandeur.

Let’s get this straight. Biden bragged and fired a corrupted prosecutor general. Clear and simple.

Trump asked a favor from a foreign leader to investigate his political rival. Is very clear example of a corrupted POTUS.

HIs so-called political rival got his drug addicted son a job paying 80K a month in an industry he had no experience in, in a country he had no business in; didn't even know a word of their language. And you want to label who is corrupt?

None of what you and the other commies claim can be proven. Unless you can testify and show how Democrats are able to read minds, then you have no legitimate case.

We went these over before.
Hunter got the high paying job with no experience. So?

Trump asking a favor to a foreign leader to investigate his political rival. Is not acceptable no matter how much you twist it. Trump is a piece of shit.

How is Kushner running around with out diplomatic experience? Don’t tell me he is doing it for free.

How is Guilliani a private citizen running around like a diplomat? Spreading corrupted propaganda. Don’t tell me he is doing it for free.

WTF does that have to do with it? Trump can hire anybody he wants.

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This is not about Joe hiring somebody. It's about getting favors from a foreign corrupt company. Favors are not granted out of kindness. People expect something in return. An email was discovered through the FOIA that showed one from Burisma, dropping Hunters name to curry favor from the State Department.

Impeachment is not for what you or others find acceptable or not. Impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors, none of which Donald is part of.

I suggest you look at the meaning of the term "high crimes and misdemeanors" as used in the constitution. It has a much broader interpretation than criminal felonies and misdemeanors.

High crimes and misdemeanors - Wikipedia

Oh trust me, I already have. But then it begs the question of, what President hasn't committed high crimes?

If you already have. I doubt it because you are still posting hypocritical and lying information.

 

[charwin95]

All this impeachment inquiry, and how is handled by Schiff is kinda telling me that Schiff is somehow connected to Ukraine, maybe even to Burisma.

Damn, just yesterday I called it.

Shots fired!

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BULLSHIT. Do you expect anything honest from these corrupted disgusting people piece of shit like Guilliani?

These people can post anything then poorly informed people and ignorant idiots like you eat it right away.

 

[beagle9]

HIs so-called political rival got his drug addicted son a job paying 80K a month in an industry he had no experience in, in a country he had no business in; didn't even know a word of their language. And you want to label who is corrupt?

None of what you and the other commies claim can be proven. Unless you can testify and show how Democrats are able to read minds, then you have no legitimate case.

We went these over before.
Hunter got the high paying job with no experience. So?

Trump asking a favor to a foreign leader to investigate his political rival. Is not acceptable no matter how much you twist it. Trump is a piece of shit.

How is Kushner running around with out diplomatic experience? Don’t tell me he is doing it for free.

How is Guilliani a private citizen running around like a diplomat? Spreading corrupted propaganda. Don’t tell me he is doing it for free.

WTF does that have to do with it? Trump can hire anybody he wants.

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This is not about Joe hiring somebody. It's about getting favors from a foreign corrupt company. Favors are not granted out of kindness. People expect something in return. An email was discovered through the FOIA that showed one from Burisma, dropping Hunters name to curry favor from the State Department.

Impeachment is not for what you or others find acceptable or not. Impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors, none of which Donald is part of.

Talking about hypocrite.
You mentioned Hunter unqualified and highly paid. I gave you an exact example of the same situations. You are full of cow dung.

I deal with hundreds of suppliers and vendors. So when I ask one of them to hire one of my nephews. That is a favor. Is that bad?

Biden ask Burisma to hire his son. Where did Biden violate any rules?

We don't know because it''s never been investigated. That's why Trump asked Zelensky to "look into it" as a favor. And if there is something that shows corruption, then Trump could have the IG look at that.

No, it's not bad if you ask a vendor to hire your nephew. But then again, you have no power to return the favor.

Wrong very wrong.
Asking a foreign leader a favor to dig dirt against his political rival. Is totally wrong.
You can twist however you want to protect this piece of shit president. That is not right.

I asked you a very simple reality question. Your answer is very wrong. Let me ask you again.

I deal with hundreds of vendors and suppliers regularly. If I asked one them a favor to hire my nephew.
Where and what law or any code of ethics did I violate?
Return back the favor? Giving them a contract.

Joe Biden got his son Hunter a job at Butisma. Tell me what law did he violate?

Trump getting his son inlaw a job unqualified. Is that also unacceptable?

So now it's finally gotten around to Biden did get his son a job at Burisma ?? LOL

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

HIs so-called political rival got his drug addicted son a job paying 80K a month in an industry he had no experience in, in a country he had no business in; didn't even know a word of their language. And you want to label who is corrupt?

None of what you and the other commies claim can be proven. Unless you can testify and show how Democrats are able to read minds, then you have no legitimate case.

We went these over before.
Hunter got the high paying job with no experience. So?

Trump asking a favor to a foreign leader to investigate his political rival. Is not acceptable no matter how much you twist it. Trump is a piece of shit.

How is Kushner running around with out diplomatic experience? Don’t tell me he is doing it for free.

How is Guilliani a private citizen running around like a diplomat? Spreading corrupted propaganda. Don’t tell me he is doing it for free.

WTF does that have to do with it? Trump can hire anybody he wants.

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This is not about Joe hiring somebody. It's about getting favors from a foreign corrupt company. Favors are not granted out of kindness. People expect something in return. An email was discovered through the FOIA that showed one from Burisma, dropping Hunters name to curry favor from the State Department.

Impeachment is not for what you or others find acceptable or not. Impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors, none of which Donald is part of.

Talking about hypocrite.
You mentioned Hunter unqualified and highly paid. I gave you an exact example of the same situations. You are full of cow dung.

I deal with hundreds of suppliers and vendors. So when I ask one of them to hire one of my nephews. That is a favor. Is that bad?

Biden ask Burisma to hire his son. Where did Biden violate any rules?

We don't know because it''s never been investigated. That's why Trump asked Zelensky to "look into it" as a favor. And if there is something that shows corruption, then Trump could have the IG look at that.

No, it's not bad if you ask a vendor to hire your nephew. But then again, you have no power to return the favor.

Wrong very wrong.
Asking a foreign leader a favor to dig dirt against his political rival. Is totally wrong.
You can twist however you want to protect this piece of shit president. That is not right.

I asked you a very simple reality question. Your answer is very wrong. Let me ask you again.

I deal with hundreds of vendors and suppliers regularly. If I asked one them a favor to hire my nephew.
Where and what law or any code of ethics did I violate?
Return back the favor? Giving them a contract.

Joe Biden got his son Hunter a job at Butisma. Tell me what law did he violate?

Trump getting his son inlaw a job unqualified. Is that also unacceptable?

Why do you keep asking questions I or others have answered already?

Show me where Trump used the term Dig Dirt.

You people on the left are such hypocrites. On one hand, you're trying to make claim that what Joe did was perfectly fine and legal. On the other hand, you want to see Trump impeached for being accused of doing the exact same thing.

Joe asked for the prosecutor to be fired, he got it.
Trump asked for a favor to look into Burisma and Hunter, he never got it.

Joe threaten US aid to Ukraine.
Trump never threatened US aid for anything.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

HIs so-called political rival got his drug addicted son a job paying 80K a month in an industry he had no experience in, in a country he had no business in; didn't even know a word of their language. And you want to label who is corrupt?

None of what you and the other commies claim can be proven. Unless you can testify and show how Democrats are able to read minds, then you have no legitimate case.

We went these over before.
Hunter got the high paying job with no experience. So?

Trump asking a favor to a foreign leader to investigate his political rival. Is not acceptable no matter how much you twist it. Trump is a piece of shit.

How is Kushner running around with out diplomatic experience? Don’t tell me he is doing it for free.

How is Guilliani a private citizen running around like a diplomat? Spreading corrupted propaganda. Don’t tell me he is doing it for free.

WTF does that have to do with it? Trump can hire anybody he wants.

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This is not about Joe hiring somebody. It's about getting favors from a foreign corrupt company. Favors are not granted out of kindness. People expect something in return. An email was discovered through the FOIA that showed one from Burisma, dropping Hunters name to curry favor from the State Department.

Impeachment is not for what you or others find acceptable or not. Impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors, none of which Donald is part of.

I suggest you look at the meaning of the term "high crimes and misdemeanors" as used in the constitution. It has a much broader interpretation than criminal felonies and misdemeanors.

High crimes and misdemeanors - Wikipedia

Oh trust me, I already have. But then it begs the question of, what President hasn't committed high crimes?

If you already have. I doubt it because you are still posting hypocritical and lying information.

Then take a stab at it. What President hasn't?

 

[charwin95]

There were not all anti-Trumpers - well at least until the fat ass tried this bribery scam..

What the fuck makes you morons think that only die hard Trump supporters should be believed?

Because our people didn't start this clown show, the Democrats did. We on the right are honest. You on the left are despicable.

It all started with Trump when on July 25, he ask Zelensky for this little favor of investigating the Bidens. The most shocking part of this is that Trump saw absolutely nothing wrong in asking a foreign goverment to investigate a candidate for president that he will most likely face in the next election. If the Senate fails to convict Trump which is almost certain, the biggest celebration will not be in the White House but in Moscow.

So because slow Joe is running for President, he's insulated from any suspicion of wrong doing? This is the problem: in spite of their beliefs, there is no Thought Police in the US. You cannot read minds or tell the future. Nobody, including Trump, knows who he's going to run against. Furthermore, Joe is so washed up that Biden getting the nomination would guarantee a Trump win.

This happened the other night. Slow Joe claimed to have the support from the only black woman in the Senate. Problem was, he was standing right next to Harris when he made the claim.

Whether "Slow Joe" is guilty of any wrong doing is totally irrelevant in the Trump impeachment and here's why. A president running for re-election can not ask a foreign government to open an investigation against another candidate without violating our election laws as well as Article 1 Section 9 of the constitution and thus a violation of oath of office, unless his intent has nothing to do with discrediting his political opponent.

What it all boils down to is the intent of the president. If his sole reason for pressuring the Ukraine to investigate the Bidens is his desire to eliminate corruption in the Ukraine, then his actions are justified. However, from the direct evidence presented in the House investigation as well as comments by Trump himself, it makes it doubtful that his real intent is cleaning up corruption in the Ukraine and not to discrediting Biden.

Biden is not the nominee, and it's likely he won't be. This charge that Trump stalled the aid for political advantage requires a crystal ball that tells us Biden will be the nominee.

Trump gave several reasons for stopping the aid, including the lack of funds from other UN countries. You can't make the case it's a false concern given the fact he ran on the UN skipping out on their equal share during the Republican debates. Nor can you make the case that it was the rat who forced Trump to act, when it's clear and documented that Congress critters from both sides were applying the pressure.

I don't recall Trump ever using the term "start an investigation" The key words he used were "look into it" and "favor." The dictionary term for favor is doing something out of good will without remuneration.

Too early to say any of what, who and not the nominee.

One thing for sure. Trump and his cartels are afraid of Biden.

You proved it here. That you and the rest of your buddies here are ALL scared of Biden will beat Trump. I mean ALL of you are scared of Biden. Look at the the way you attack Biden.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is no difference between a Socialist and a Democrat Socialist. They threw the name Democrat in there to edge into the party, which will be totally Socialist within the next two decades.

And since you don't read posts before you reply, I'll state it again: the only stance of Trump that the that the white supremacists like is his southern border policy, because it keeps Hispanics out of the country. They don't care what his reasons are. It benefits them as far as they're concerned.

Correct.

Lenin was Social-Democrat. There is no difference in between Russian Marxist philosophy from today's so called Social Democrats.

Lenin: The Tasks of the Russian Social-Democrats

Lenin’s Conception of Socialism

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Forward anyone?

It's how they will ease it in.

It went from Democrat to progressive.
From progressive to liberalism.
From liberalism to Democrat socialism. \

Down the road.

Democrat socialism to socialism.
From socialism to socialist communism.
From socialist communism to plain communism.

Yep, and the reason being is because when ever you start making demands on the people in which will be known to not be accepted by them, then this is when the progression of these things begin to take place. This goes for anything the people of this country find inappropriate for them to be forced into.

Correct. Kind of like the Affordable Care Act. WTF is affordable about it? I certainly can't afford it, and millions of others like me.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Because our people didn't start this clown show, the Democrats did. We on the right are honest. You on the left are despicable.

It all started with Trump when on July 25, he ask Zelensky for this little favor of investigating the Bidens. The most shocking part of this is that Trump saw absolutely nothing wrong in asking a foreign goverment to investigate a candidate for president that he will most likely face in the next election. If the Senate fails to convict Trump which is almost certain, the biggest celebration will not be in the White House but in Moscow.

So because slow Joe is running for President, he's insulated from any suspicion of wrong doing? This is the problem: in spite of their beliefs, there is no Thought Police in the US. You cannot read minds or tell the future. Nobody, including Trump, knows who he's going to run against. Furthermore, Joe is so washed up that Biden getting the nomination would guarantee a Trump win.

This happened the other night. Slow Joe claimed to have the support from the only black woman in the Senate. Problem was, he was standing right next to Harris when he made the claim.

Whether "Slow Joe" is guilty of any wrong doing is totally irrelevant in the Trump impeachment and here's why. A president running for re-election can not ask a foreign government to open an investigation against another candidate without violating our election laws as well as Article 1 Section 9 of the constitution and thus a violation of oath of office, unless his intent has nothing to do with discrediting his political opponent.

What it all boils down to is the intent of the president. If his sole reason for pressuring the Ukraine to investigate the Bidens is his desire to eliminate corruption in the Ukraine, then his actions are justified. However, from the direct evidence presented in the House investigation as well as comments by Trump himself, it makes it doubtful that his real intent is cleaning up corruption in the Ukraine and not to discrediting Biden.

Biden is not the nominee, and it's likely he won't be. This charge that Trump stalled the aid for political advantage requires a crystal ball that tells us Biden will be the nominee.

Trump gave several reasons for stopping the aid, including the lack of funds from other UN countries. You can't make the case it's a false concern given the fact he ran on the UN skipping out on their equal share during the Republican debates. Nor can you make the case that it was the rat who forced Trump to act, when it's clear and documented that Congress critters from both sides were applying the pressure.

I don't recall Trump ever using the term "start an investigation" The key words he used were "look into it" and "favor." The dictionary term for favor is doing something out of good will without remuneration.

Too early to say any of what, who and not the nominee.

One thing for sure. Trump and his cartels are afraid of Biden.

You proved it here. That you and the rest of your buddies here are ALL scared of Biden will beat Trump. I mean ALL of you are scared of Biden. Look at the the way you attack Biden.

Biden is an old fool. He can't get through one week without making a fool out of himself. Trump would rip him to pieces.

Last week they had the debates, as if anybody knew about it. Joe stood there and said he had the support from the only black female Senator. Good lie, but the problem was, he was standing right next to Harris when he said it.

Of course watching MSM, I doubt you know about things like this. But Biden can't even remember what state he's in.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Now that the 'Impeachment' scam is completely dead and there is now no way they can vote for it, what is the next propaganda campaign going to be?

How do you even know that?

Because Democrats live and die by the polls. The television ratings went right downhill since the first inquiry. Impeachment is losing ground, especially among Independents.

The Democrats would have to be complete idiots to proceed with it now.

 

[charwin95]

And now Nunes is totally fucked. And he knows it.

I expect Nunes will be voted out of the office. I expect Pompeo to resign. I expect Mitch will put the impeachment for a vote in a close door session and anonymously.


The sad part is. They attacked Biden for firing a prosecutor general Shokin. They know he is corrupted. Then these idiots used Shokin as their main character. That’s fucked up. Then you have this personal lawyer Guilliani running around flashing around using Shokin testimony.

They cannot fire an ambassador properly. They can’t even do a simple bribery or extortion.

 

[beagle9]

All this impeachment inquiry, and how is handled by Schiff is kinda telling me that Schiff is somehow connected to Ukraine, maybe even to Burisma.

Damn, just yesterday I called it.

Shots fired!

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BULLSHIT. Do you expect anything honest from these corrupted disgusting people piece of shit like Guilliani?

These people can post anything then poorly informed people and ignorant idiots like you eat it right away.

Who are you to talk about American's like you do ??? If it is found that you have been using propaganda to hurt fellow Americans for political reason's, will you apologize ??

Funny how everything that has led up to this mess, has been somehow ignored when the iron is hot on each created farce, and this is why we know that it is all a farce that is taking place for political reason's. All investigations take into account the entire case from beginning to end, and that includes all evidence that is uncovered along the way, and since the beginning.

The jumping from wild topic to wild topic shows this to be a miriad of political stunts that has been taking place ever since Trump won.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Because Ukraine is corrupt and so is Biden. With no experience, Hunter got a multi-million dollar job with a corrupt company in a corrupt country. But as far as the left is concerned, nothing to see here folks!

You don’t have any evidence that Biden was corrupt.
But we have a very very clear evidence that Trump is very corrupt. That’s a fact jack.

This planet has 7.5 billion people on it. Do you mean to tell me there is nothing corrupt about a VP's son getting the job when he was the least qualified out of all these people? Not only that, but the highest paid member on the board?

Talking about corrupt. Why don’t you start with your Boi Trump?

The only idiots that keeps talking about Biden and his son committed corruption are Trump supporters. Nobody else.

As far as unqualified. Trump is inept and most unqualified president. The whole world knows that.

The requirements to be a US President are written within the US Constitution, and Trump meets those requirements. You don't have to be an establishment person to get to be President.

A two year 45 million dollar investigation that turned up nothing in regards to why it was started began over a joke Trump made about getting Hillary's emails. But a drug addict, kicked out of the military, in and out of rehabs three times, gets a job for 83,000 a year, and nobody is supposed to care.

Mueller did not exonerate Trump. It just they can’t indict a sitting president. That’s a fact jack. I’m not sure why you have to brought this up? Poorly informed?

We are talking about unqualified which I gave you several examples. Trump and Kushner.

So Hunter got a high paying job and unqualified? SO WHAT?
Another example. How many of Trump former cabinets that are unqualified, over paid, fired or corrupted?

If this is all you’ve got against Biden then it’s laughable. Hunter has nothing to do with all these lying propaganda that you and your buddies are spreading.

Here is Hunter Biden Wikipedia. You may want to update yourself. He is paid $50,000 not $83,000 that you are lying.

Hunter Biden - Wikipedia

FACT CHECK: Was Hunter Biden Paid As Much As $50,000 A Month For His Work With Burisma?

I'm going by what some are estimating it at. But WTF is the difference? He's still a drug addict getting paid to sit on a board of a company he had no experience in. And a few weeks ago, they got an email from Burisma to the State Department, and in the email, they dropped Hunters name trying to gain favor of the department.

 

[beagle9]

Sucks for the Dems that they cannot override the Executive Powers..............Equal Branches of the Gov't.............They DO NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY..............

If they say THEY DO...........then they must go to the Judicial Branch and Challenge it............You can cry .......scream...........and demand all you want...............it doesn't change a thing...........

In regards to election tampering and corruption in Ukraine.........Trump has every right to ask for cooperation with our DOJ for ongoing investigations.............It's NOT A CRIME to do so...............In regards to his lawyer..........it's his JOB to defend Trump......and finding information to defend him from this Endless attack by the Dems is a part of that Job......

One huge problem. Barr blindly supports anything Rump does and says. Barr isn't representing the United States of America. He's Rumps personal lawyer. So with that in mind, exactly who in the Judicial Branch should Congress take their grievance to? The Top Cop is corrupt as hell. Rump has seized control over about 3/5ths of the government. It should be 1/3rd but he's bot a lock on more like 2/3rds with his criminal Moscow Mitch at his Back. This looks very similar to Italy in 1933 that propelled Mussolini into absolute power. Obviously, Rump read the playbook leading up to the power grab in Italy by 1933. If I thought you had the capability to actually read history I would suggest some good reading for you. But you only listen to Rush and Hannity and the Extreme Right wing part of Fox along with some conspiracy sites.

One huge problem, the DOJ did not have an open case looking into the Bidens. If they had, it would have been unwise but not illegal. And even Barr wouldn't touch that hot potato. But would it have been found to be illegal? Probably not. Just damaging but not any worse than Rump on any given Tuesday. But Rump doing it back channel trying to blackmail another head of state to announce they are starting an investigation into the Bidens when Biden was beating him in the polls by refusing funds that were already authorized to go to Ukraine and dangling a face to face meeting to help Ukraine with it's face problem with Russia is downright criminal. And don't give me that crap that he didn't do any of it. Everyone from the dog catcher to the lead Diplomat was aware of it after certain date. But even a Professional Diplomat can only take so much corruption before they say enough. And that is pretty well what has happened.

Long winded Lie bro.....

Biden didn't go to Ukraine to save it from Russia...........Apple Pie...........and the American way.........He did it to take advantage of the Chaos.......He takes his son on Air Force 2 to the Ukraine while thousands are dying from the Ruskies..........And a week later his son is WOW on the Board of the Largest Gas Producer in the Ukraine.............

If your concern is for the Ukraine with Russia on their door step back then.........Then Biden should have been there to meet with Ukraine military officials to discuss WHAT THEY NEED to PROTECT THEMSELVES...........

Like Lethal aid.............the ability to kill Russian armor.......aka tanks...........Did Joe and Obama do that........they gave a bunch of NON MILITARY AID.............but didn't give Ukraine weapons to stop the Russians on the battlefield...........

Biden CASHED in on his position during a time of Crisis and Chaos..............for his son.......Ray Charles can see that.

Trump on the other hand gave Ukraine Lethal weapons to help them KILL RUSSIANS if need be.........Why didn't that happen when Obama was in power..........hmmmm..........As thousands of Ukrainians were dying......

The DOJ has been looking at 2016 election meddling for years now, but have ignored the DNC's role in this and the courts of Ukraine in this.............Because it has been a Partisan Investigation that ignores the other sides dealings from the Deep State............who are attempting a COUP on Trump.

I'll use what the Dems have been using for years..............IF BIDEN is innocent...........then he should want this investigated to CLEAR HIS NAME.............If he did no crime .............Then he should WELCOME BEING INVESTIGATED.............

The Biden's will not be taken down..............Graham calling for an investigation will in the end do NOTHING.........It's a Show.............Biden and Graham are friends......and behind closed doors laugh about it and rehearse the next SHOW to cover their butts from all the corruption they have done as career politicains.

Career politicians from both parties...........keep the people at each other so they don't come after them for their corruption..............It's a designed strategy

I used proven facts. You just make it up as you go to support your lies. Again, if Barr want's to open up an investigation into the Bidens and Ukraine, he has my blessing. As stupid as that would be at least it would be legal but even Barr isn't that stupid.

Fact, boy, Facts. They do get in the way of a good conspiracy don't they.

The conspiracy is the reasons used for impeachment.

You do have a point. When Rump uses Conspiracy to try and justify blackmailing another Nations Head of State then we need to put a check on that. And we also need to recognize that USMB has more than it's fair share of Russian Operatives. Now I am not saying you are one but if you are, care to give us a weather update in Moscow these days?

And so it is that we have ourselves a conspiritor here in this one.

 

[beagle9]

Debunked? LOL

Ukraine placed bet on Hillary, and worked against Trump.

Here is Financial Times article from 2016. They proclaimed that Trump is "pro-Russian" without anything to support it and supported Hillary who was "pro-Ukrainian", because Barry send them blankets and MREs.

Ukraine’s leaders campaign against ‘pro-Putin’ Trump

No support for their claim that Trump was pro-Russia?

Okay, Never mind his statement that he would consider recognizing Crimea as Russian territory and lifting the sanctions against Russia if he were elected.


It's all moot now anyway. Trump is clearly all the way up inside Putin's Russian ass.

Other than releasing the American energy industry....which hurts putin

Telling NATO to pay for their militaries...which hurts putin.

Telling Germany to stop building a pipeline to Russia...which hurts putin.

Supplying the Ukraine with actual military weapons to fight russia...which hurts putin.

Killing russian soldiers in Syria...which hurts putin.

There are others, but those are off the top of my head.

Believed Putin over US Intel agencies
Pulled out of Syria giving it to Putin
Wants Putin back in the G7
Offered Putin a free penthouse in Trump Tower Moscow.
Left the Russian election interference wide open for 2020
Ended a nuclear agreement to give Putin a green light to build new nukes
Ending a mutual fly over agreement to verify nuke agreements so Putin can make more nukes

Are you really this dumb?

The same U.S. intelligence agencies that tried to frame him with false documents and FISA warrants?

He still has American troops in Syria, and ran on getting our troops out of middle east quagmires...you dope.

Putin used to be in the G7 and his being there isn't a big deal.

In Russia, as corrupt at it is, you have to pay off their officials, you dope.

Russian election interference...you mean when they paid hilary, the one who was supposed to win, 140 million dollars and then she destroyed her email server? And the election interference? About 130,000 dollars in ad buys attacking both candidates, in a close to a billion dollar each election cycle? Really, are you this dumb?

The nuclear agreement he left was due to the fact, the fact, that Russia was ignoring it, and we were the only ones following it...you dope.

Mutual flyover agreement? Are you really this dumb?

I gave you specific, detrimental things Trump has actually done to Russia......you gave that list......you need to try harder....

How about you prove these documents were false? So the intel agencies have wire taps on Russian operatives. One of Trump's advisors is picked up on one of these wiretaps. We know the Russians were interfering. So, you, being as brilliant as you are, think that the intel agencies should just ignore it? Yet here you are having a fit that the Trump guy was tapped instead of wondering why he was contacting the Russians. Odd isn't it.,

Why did so many in the Trump campaign have contact with the Russians & lied about it You have a reason for this?

And I see you call our intel agencies liars just like your fat assed orange buddy. Trump has you fucking morons trashing the CIA & FBI & our veterans. How duped are you people?

And you know nothing overf the fly over agreements.

First, the lying fuck said he pulled troops out & he just moved them. Then he said he was withdrawing our troops, then he said he was sending them back it to guard Syrian oil. The stupid fuck has no clue. He got Kurds killed as a favor to Turkey & Russia.

140 million? To Hillary? Really?

Did Putin withdraw from the Ukraine? That is why he is not in the G7.

So instead of Putin supposedly breaking this agreement, Trump said "Fuck it Vlad, make all you want". What did we gain? What did Trump gain?

After 2.5 years of investigations, and Trump is still there ?? Either he's innocent or the Intel community is the weakest it's ever been in America, and that's really scary that our country is this weak if Trump was guilty the whole time.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Just keep repeating the GRU misinformation. Keep it up and maybe they will send you 20 Rubles. What's that in American Dollars? About 7 cents?

Bronze from Vietnam? A Papercut gets you one of those.

GFY, you and your ilk are the best tools Putin has in the US. We had an election, you lost, deal with it.

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Just pointing out the corruption that Rump does for his buddy Putin and the misinformation that you repeat from the GRU trying to cover that up.

In other words, LYING! Good job commie, your comrade Putin is proud of you.

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Considering you are repeating Putins....er.....what Rump says, looks to me that you are the commie Putin loving commie. How's the weather in Moscow these days.

GFY, I gave you links and facts, now run along you're wasting my time repeating yourself.

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You gave me links to rwfruitcake sites that all register as conspiracy sites. They are doing what you are doing and just repeating what the Russians tell them to say. Comon, Comrade, come up with something better. But in your world, that's all you got. Rump follows the Russian Propoganda to the letter and you just repeat what he says. We need a real President. And that's going to be hard to find.

 

[charwin95]

There were not all anti-Trumpers - well at least until the fat ass tried this bribery scam..

What the fuck makes you morons think that only die hard Trump supporters should be believed?

Because our people didn't start this clown show, the Democrats did. We on the right are honest. You on the left are despicable.

It all started with Trump when on July 25, he ask Zelensky for this little favor of investigating the Bidens. The most shocking part of this is that Trump saw absolutely nothing wrong in asking a foreign goverment to investigate a candidate for president that he will most likely face in the next election. If the Senate fails to convict Trump which is almost certain, the biggest celebration will not be in the White House but in Moscow.

So because slow Joe is running for President, he's insulated from any suspicion of wrong doing? This is the problem: in spite of their beliefs, there is no Thought Police in the US. You cannot read minds or tell the future. Nobody, including Trump, knows who he's going to run against. Furthermore, Joe is so washed up that Biden getting the nomination would guarantee a Trump win.

This happened the other night. Slow Joe claimed to have the support from the only black woman in the Senate. Problem was, he was standing right next to Harris when he made the claim.

Whether "Slow Joe" is guilty of any wrong doing is totally irrelevant in the Trump impeachment and here's why. A president running for re-election can not ask a foreign government to open an investigation against another candidate without violating our election laws as well as Article 1 Section 9 of the constitution and thus a violation of oath of office, unless his intent has nothing to do with discrediting his political opponent.

What it all boils down to is the intent of the president. If his sole reason for pressuring the Ukraine to investigate the Bidens is his desire to eliminate corruption in the Ukraine, then his actions are justified. However, from the direct evidence presented in the House investigation as well as comments by Trump himself, it makes it doubtful that his real intent is cleaning up corruption in the Ukraine and not to discrediting Biden.

Damn, you're full of crap, if quid pro joe withheld US loan guarantees to interfere in the internal affairs of a foreign government, which he publicly admitted to BTW, he is as guilty of bribery as you claim Trump to be. That would make Trumps request justified and blow the shit out your narrative.

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False.
There’s a very big difference.

Joe fired a well known corrupted prosecutor general Shokin. Or you don’t get the money.

Trump asking a favor from a foreign leader to dig dirt against his political enemies is totally WRONG or you don’t get the money.

Big difference.

 

[charwin95]

No quid pro quo.

All bullshit.

Win at the polls, lefty losers.

Such pathetic losers.

Trump openly admitted to doing precisely that.
Multiple witnesses said he did precisely that, as well.

But Ukraine president said he didn't....You fucks just can't handle the truth!

it means nothing that Zelenskyy claimed publicly that there was no quid pro quo on the part of Trump. It only means that it would be unwise for the Ukrainian president to criticize the U.S. president.

There was no quid pro quo. Your hatred for the President is noted.

That is not what Sondland admitted at the hearing.

 

[Faun]

The Prosecutor at that time was not cleaning up the corruption. So we told the Ukraine that we would not give them aid unless they replaced that prosecutor to show they are fighting that corruption

That is the Biden response but its false...its actually 100% backwards....That prosecutor was investigating a corrupt company that was stealing millions of dollars most of which was aid from the U.S. and since Hunter worked for that company Biden wanted the guy fired....now that is impeachable....

Bullshit. There was no active investigation ongoing into Burisma when Shokin was sacked.

Timeline in Ukraine Probe Casts Doubt on Giuliani’s Biden Claim

But what has received less attention is that at the time Biden made his ultimatum, the probe into the company -- Burisma Holdings, owned by Mykola Zlochevsky -- had been long dormant, according to the former official, Vitaliy Kasko.​

Investigation was officially closed by Yuriy Lutsenko, who was Shokin successor.

That means that investigation into Burisma was still open when Shokin was fired.

As per his own words, he was given list of people that he cannot prosecute. Who gave him a list?

US Ambassador Yovanovich.

Top Ukrainian justice official says US ambassador gave him a do not prosecute list

"That means that investigation into Burisma was still open when Shokin was fired."

That's why I said, "dormant," and not, "closed."

I swear, you people have the brain of a gnat.

 

[charwin95]

We don't know because it''s never been investigated. That's why Trump asked Zelensky to "look into it" as a favor. And if there is something that shows corruption, then Trump could have the IG look at that.

No, it's not bad if you ask a vendor to hire your nephew. But then again, you have no power to return the favor.

Or to gain favor by the vender who hired his nephew, uhhh ummmm ohhh wait one second here .. Can we say kick back in such situations maybe ? Conflict of interest maybe ???

If Biden's Son has done what you claim he has and Biden did what you claim he did, it was the job (and still is) of the Justice Department to investigate and bring charges to the both of them. It's not up to the President to try and blackmail another world leader to do his bidding for him. The problem here is, it WAS looked into by the Justice Department and no crime was found.

But if Barr will restart the investigation on the Bidens, he has my blessings. But, at the same time, he needs to to after the Rumpster Criminals that refuse the Congressional Subpoenas and have the US Marshals arrest and escort their sorry buts to the Congressional floor.

Sucks for the Dems that they cannot override the Executive Powers..............Equal Branches of the Gov't.............They DO NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY..............

If they say THEY DO...........then they must go to the Judicial Branch and Challenge it............You can cry .......scream...........and demand all you want...............it doesn't change a thing...........

In regards to election tampering and corruption in Ukraine.........Trump has every right to ask for cooperation with our DOJ for ongoing investigations.............It's NOT A CRIME to do so...............In regards to his lawyer..........it's his JOB to defend Trump......and finding information to defend him from this Endless attack by the Dems is a part of that Job......

One huge problem. Barr blindly supports anything Rump does and says. Barr isn't representing the United States of America. He's Rumps personal lawyer. So with that in mind, exactly who in the Judicial Branch should Congress take their grievance to? The Top Cop is corrupt as hell. Rump has seized control over about 3/5ths of the government. It should be 1/3rd but he's bot a lock on more like 2/3rds with his criminal Moscow Mitch at his Back. This looks very similar to Italy in 1933 that propelled Mussolini into absolute power. Obviously, Rump read the playbook leading up to the power grab in Italy by 1933. If I thought you had the capability to actually read history I would suggest some good reading for you. But you only listen to Rush and Hannity and the Extreme Right wing part of Fox along with some conspiracy sites.

One huge problem, the DOJ did not have an open case looking into the Bidens. If they had, it would have been unwise but not illegal. And even Barr wouldn't touch that hot potato. But would it have been found to be illegal? Probably not. Just damaging but not any worse than Rump on any given Tuesday. But Rump doing it back channel trying to blackmail another head of state to announce they are starting an investigation into the Bidens when Biden was beating him in the polls by refusing funds that were already authorized to go to Ukraine and dangling a face to face meeting to help Ukraine with it's face problem with Russia is downright criminal. And don't give me that crap that he didn't do any of it. Everyone from the dog catcher to the lead Diplomat was aware of it after certain date. But even a Professional Diplomat can only take so much corruption before they say enough. And that is pretty well what has happened.

Long winded Lie bro.....

Biden didn't go to Ukraine to save it from Russia...........Apple Pie...........and the American way.........He did it to take advantage of the Chaos.......He takes his son on Air Force 2 to the Ukraine while thousands are dying from the Ruskies..........And a week later his son is WOW on the Board of the Largest Gas Producer in the Ukraine.............

If your concern is for the Ukraine with Russia on their door step back then.........Then Biden should have been there to meet with Ukraine military officials to discuss WHAT THEY NEED to PROTECT THEMSELVES...........

Like Lethal aid.............the ability to kill Russian armor.......aka tanks...........Did Joe and Obama do that........they gave a bunch of NON MILITARY AID.............but didn't give Ukraine weapons to stop the Russians on the battlefield...........

Biden CASHED in on his position during a time of Crisis and Chaos..............for his son.......Ray Charles can see that.

Trump on the other hand gave Ukraine Lethal weapons to help them KILL RUSSIANS if need be.........Why didn't that happen when Obama was in power..........hmmmm..........As thousands of Ukrainians were dying......

The DOJ has been looking at 2016 election meddling for years now, but have ignored the DNC's role in this and the courts of Ukraine in this.............Because it has been a Partisan Investigation that ignores the other sides dealings from the Deep State............who are attempting a COUP on Trump.

I'll use what the Dems have been using for years..............IF BIDEN is innocent...........then he should want this investigated to CLEAR HIS NAME.............If he did no crime .............Then he should WELCOME BEING INVESTIGATED.............

The Biden's will not be taken down..............Graham calling for an investigation will in the end do NOTHING.........It's a Show.............Biden and Graham are friends......and behind closed doors laugh about it and rehearse the next SHOW to cover their butts from all the corruption they have done as career politicains.

Career politicians from both parties...........keep the people at each other so they don't come after them for their corruption..............It's a designed strategy

Deeeeng. Your droppings stinks like hell.

So what if Hunter rode on AF2? Why is that a problem? How many of Trump entourage and families rode at AF1?

Russia annexed Crimea March 2014. We are talking 2016. So why does he need to talk to military?

Selling javelin anti tank to Ukraine. Wow BFD. If Russia wants to advance in 2015 or today. Do you think those Javelin will make any difference?

Obama supplied blankets and first aid. WOW. It’s awesome Russian has not advanced an inch of territory since 2014.

Do you honestly expect this reject POTUS will really fight and go to war with the Ukraine against his lover? I doubt it.

No DOJ has not been looking at Biden since 2016 except coming from conspiracy theory planted by your comrade.