Off-duty LAPD officer fatally shot while house-hunting with girlfriend

[CrusaderFrank]

You thought I was a US Democrat, you fucking pillock. Now you're trying to sound hard to get out of your dumb comment. Do you know how hard you are? Solid bone from the neck up.

America is fucked with guns. America was founded on violence, violence is your culture. Guns are everywhere, guns are unregulated everywhere. Kids blowing each other's brains out, kids at school blasting their school mates away. And the gun nut answer? More guns. You can't get anymore stupid than that.

Guns in America are juxtaposed to IQ. As gun ownership goes up, IQ comes down. And you in particular are doing a sterling effort.

Why can't we have sensible gun control like Mao's China, Stalin's USSR or Hitler's Germany? Those Progressive leaders disarmed their citizens, shouldn't everyone?

 

[Abatis]

You still haven't answered the question:
Why does insulting people make you feel better?

That kind of rote insult repetition from unhinged anti-gunners (especially nosy Tommy's) isn't real argumentation; it has nothing to do with any attempt to actually rebut or refute any particular philosophical or constitutional American gun rights argument.

It's only purpose is the tortured affirmation of an authoritarian premise in a timid mind accustomed to the subjugation of the UK government . . . Hence the aggressive projection..

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[2aguy]

The shooting unfolded Monday evening in the 1700 block of East 87th Street in unincorporated Los Angeles, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, which is leading the investigation, said.

Los Angeles Police Department Chief Michel Moore told members of the Board of Police Commissioners Tuesday that Arroyos was killed during a gunfight with 3 men who tried to rob him.

The police officer had been looking at a home to buy with his girlfriend when the couple was approached by the alleged robbers, two of whom opened fire, detectives told NBC Los Angeles.

Arroyos told his girlfriend to run and exchanged gunfire with the suspects, but was struck, they said.

Moore told board members the officer had a "bright future" that was "taken away" in a street robbery.

Off-duty LAPD officer fatally shot while house-hunting with girlfriend, police say

Fernando Arroyos, 27, died Monday. Four people have been arrested, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said.

www.nbcnews.com

Like a lot of these stories, there's not a lot of details.

Is it better to give crooks your money or to try to shoot it out with them?

If you're using a gun for self-defense?

Even the worst shot can occasionally hit someone right between the eyes.

RIP

Each Robbery is a different animal........you don't know how it will happen, whether rape, or murder will be part of the robbery.....what you do know, if you don't have a gun, the entire sequence of events will be under the control of a criminal...who has already shown they are willing to threaten to cripple or murder you if you do not comply...

If you want to put your life in the hands of a violent criminal...allow him to decide whether you are injured, raped or murdered........that is your call......you don't have a Right to determine how others choose to protect themselves...



These people did not have guns and complied...

The Brown's Chicken Massacre was a mass murder that occurred on January 8, 1993 in Palatine, Illinois, when two robbers killed seven employees at a Brown's Chickenfast-food restaurant.

Brown's Chicken massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Their crime spree culminated on December 14, when the Carrs invaded a home and subjected five young men and women to robbery, sexual abuse, and murder. The brothers broke into a house chosen nearly at random where Brad Heyka, Heather Muller, Aaron Sander, Jason Befort and his girlfriend, a young woman identified as 'H.G.', all in their twenties, were spending the night. They were all working adults: Befort was a local high school teacher; Heyka, a director of finance with a local financial services company; Muller, a local preschool teacher; and Sandler, a former financial analyst who had been studying to become a priest. H.G. is a teacher.

The Carrs initially scoured the house for valuables. H.G. learned of Befort's intent to propose marriage to her when the Carrs discovered the engagement ring he had hidden in a can of popcorn. After the search, the Carrs forced their hostages to strip naked, bound and detained them, and subjected them to various forms of sexual abuse, including rape and oral sex.[7] The brothers forced the men to engage in sexual acts with the women, and the women with each other. They drove the victims to ATMs to empty their bank accounts, before taking them to a snowy deserted soccer complex on the outskirts of town. There they shot the five execution-style in the backs of their heads. The Carr brothers drove Befort's truck over the bodies and left them for dead.

H.G. survived her head wound at the soccer field because her plastic barrette deflected the bullet. After the killers left, she walked naked for more than a mile in freezing weather to seek first aid and shelter at a house. Before getting medical treatment, she reported the incident and descriptions of her attackers to the couple who took her in, even before the police arrived.

Wichita Massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

These people had guns and fought back......

Investigators said an 80-year-old Pensacola, Florida, man walked outside to lock his cars just after 11 p.m. Tuesday when two males approached him and demanded his car, WEAR-TV reported.
One of the suspects pulled a gun on the elderly victim, WKRG-TV reported.
But it turns out their target came prepared. Police said the homeowner grabbed his concealed weapon — for which he has a permit — and opened fire, WEAR reported.
Both suspects ran off, WKRG said, adding that one of the victims turned up at a house with a gunshot wound. The second suspect got away, WEAR reported.
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Well, it looks like both suspects have an opportunity to step back and evaluate their life choices, now doesn’t it?
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After all, bad guys are predators. They like to look for easy prey, people like 80-year-old guys in Florida.

And that’s why owning and carrying a gun is so important.

Even an armed criminal is likely to run from an armed citizen defending themselves. While I often point out that bad guys set the terms of engagement, the truth is that the armed citizen is likely the more tenacious side. After all, escape is usually not really an option for the armed citizen. They have their lives to defend.

Putting up a fight really does seem to be the best option when faced with an armed criminal, and this gentleman did fight. As a result, he went home that night and at least one of the thugs went to the hospital. Sure, another got away, but he’s going to have that memory of damn near being lit up by some old guy who didn’t want to give up his cars or his life.
Guns don’t make men evil. They don’t create criminals where none existed previously. They do, however, give people who may not be physically able to meet physical threats an edge that allows them to protect themselves.
80-Year-Old Armed Citizen Teaches Carjackers Valuable Life Lesson

Suspect Puts Gun to Man's Head Only to Flee Scene Under Barrage of Bullets

A suspect put a gun to a man’s head on Thursday only to flee under a barrage of bullets after the would-be victim pulled his own gun and opened fire.​

The incident occurred in Philadelphia’s West Oak Lane.

According to 6 ABC, Rahkeim Kelly was “headed home from buying a soda” when the suspect in a hoodie approached and put a gun to his head. Kelly managed to move away quickly, take cover behind a car, draw his own gun, and open fire.

The suspect, 22-year-old Osirus Lester, fled the scene.

Kelly said, “I fired two shots first, then he tried to take off running. I fired one more, then he ended up dropping the gun. He ran off and I just went and secured the weapon.”
Lester was arrested within minutes with a gunshot wound to his wrist.

Philadelphia Police Capt. Sekou Kinnebrew said, “[Kelly] does have a valid permit to carry. We checked that out. He’s the victim of a robbery. He did attempt to retreat, taking cover behind a car. But the offender continued to aggress, and (the victim) had to defend himself.”
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81-year-old homeowner fatally shoots armed robber

A suspect was shot and killed when he tried to rob an 81-year-old man at gunpoint outside of the man’s home in Genoa, Arkansas, on Thursday afternoon.

Buddy Cates told KSLA that he walked outside of his home around 1:30 p.m. and came face to face with the suspect, who authorities are still working to identify.

Cates said the suspect was holding a “big pistol,” but Cates also had his hand in his pocket, gripping his own gun.

“The battle was one,” Cates recalled, noting that, between the two, at least a dozen shots were fired.

“Whoever got the biggest gun and fastest will be boss when it is all said and done,” Cates said. “In this case, it was me.”

Cates was uninjured, but the suspect died after he was taken to a hospital in Texarkana, not far from Cates’ home.

After the attempted robbery and subsequent shooting, three women were arrested in connection to the crime, according to reports from the Texarkana Gazette. Kiana Keshaun Montgomery, 21; Shaynesha Martin, 19; and Ke’Erica Turner, 20, are all facing charges for aggravated robbery and are being held at the Miller County Detention Center. Authorities did not say what part the women played in the robbery or whether they are believed to be responsible for other crimes.

 

[2aguy]

Cos you guys need more guns so this incident wouldn't have happened

You mean like this....none of these people had guns....how did it turn out for them....

The Brown's Chicken Massacre was a mass murder that occurred on January 8, 1993 in Palatine, Illinois, when two robbers killed seven employees at a Brown's Chickenfast-food restaurant.

Brown's Chicken massacre - Wikipedia​

Their crime spree culminated on December 14, when the Carrs invaded a home and subjected five young men and women to robbery, sexual abuse, and murder. The brothers broke into a house chosen nearly at random where Brad Heyka, Heather Muller, Aaron Sander, Jason Befort and his girlfriend, a young woman identified as 'H.G.', all in their twenties, were spending the night. They were all working adults: Befort was a local high school teacher; Heyka, a director of finance with a local financial services company; Muller, a local preschool teacher; and Sandler, a former financial analyst who had been studying to become a priest. H.G. is a teacher.

The Carrs initially scoured the house for valuables. H.G. learned of Befort's intent to propose marriage to her when the Carrs discovered the engagement ring he had hidden in a can of popcorn. After the search, the Carrs forced their hostages to strip naked, bound and detained them, and subjected them to various forms of sexual abuse, including rape and oral sex.[7] The brothers forced the men to engage in sexual acts with the women, and the women with each other. They drove the victims to ATMs to empty their bank accounts, before taking them to a snowy deserted soccer complex on the outskirts of town. There they shot the five execution-style in the backs of their heads. The Carr brothers drove Befort's truck over the bodies and left them for dead.
H.G. survived her head wound at the soccer field because her plastic barrette deflected the bullet. After the killers left, she walked naked for more than a mile in freezing weather to seek first aid and shelter at a house. Before getting medical treatment, she reported the incident and descriptions of her attackers to the couple who took her in, even before the police arrived.

Wichita Massacre - Wikipedia​

 

[2aguy]

"More guns" is the answer from the gun nuts. They feel that to resolve the gun problem, you to increase the thing that's the problem.

If you're gonna use the word Nazi, at least insert a fucking brain so you know what you're on about, you fucking retard.

Hey...moron....how do you explain the fact that as more Americans bought, and even carried guns...our gun murder and gun crime rates went down, not up?

Over the last 27 years, up to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

 

[2aguy]

You thought I was a US Democrat, you fucking pillock. Now you're trying to sound hard to get out of your dumb comment. Do you know how hard you are? Solid bone from the neck up.

America is fucked with guns. America was founded on violence, violence is your culture. Guns are everywhere, guns are unregulated everywhere. Kids blowing each other's brains out, kids at school blasting their school mates away. And the gun nut answer? More guns. You can't get anymore stupid than that.

Guns in America are juxtaposed to IQ. As gun ownership goes up, IQ comes down. And you in particular are doing a sterling effort.

Says the individual claiming to be British......the home of the trans-atlantic slave trade, the persecution of Catholics, Imperialism, colonialism..............

 

[2aguy]

For the third time today, more guns gun nut.

Explain this...

Over the last 27 years, up to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

 

[2aguy]

Unfortunately, life doesn't work like that. Law abiding people can go un-law abiding. Criminals is a small statistic with the gun issue.

Answer these....

A woman is grabbed by a violent serial rapist at a bus stop, a train platform or in her apartment...he plans on beating, raping and murdering her. She has a gun, and can stop the rape with the gun......

Do you want her to use that gun to stop the rape?

A woman stops an attack with a gun, a brutal rape, torture and murder...in a public space....if you had the ability to go back in time, and prevent her from having that gun...would you?
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The British government will not allow a woman to own and carry a gun to prevent being gang raped in a London park.....saying she does not have "good reason," to own the gun.

A member of the House of Lords wants to quail hunt with his rich friends on his private country estate, and the British government gives him the gun....because he has "good reason."

Does this make sense to you?

 

[beautress]

The shooting unfolded Monday evening in the 1700 block of East 87th Street in unincorporated Los Angeles, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, which is leading the investigation, said.

Los Angeles Police Department Chief Michel Moore told members of the Board of Police Commissioners Tuesday that Arroyos was killed during a gunfight with 3 men who tried to rob him.

The police officer had been looking at a home to buy with his girlfriend when the couple was approached by the alleged robbers, two of whom opened fire, detectives told NBC Los Angeles.

Arroyos told his girlfriend to run and exchanged gunfire with the suspects, but was struck, they said.

Moore told board members the officer had a "bright future" that was "taken away" in a street robbery.

Off-duty LAPD officer fatally shot while house-hunting with girlfriend, police say

Fernando Arroyos, 27, died Monday. Four people have been arrested, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said.

www.nbcnews.com

Like a lot of these stories, there's not a lot of details.

Is it better to give crooks your money or to try to shoot it out with them?

If you're using a gun for self-defense?

Even the worst shot can occasionally hit someone right between the eyes.

RIP

When murderous animals roam the street, the local government needs to fix the problem. That isn't being done in LA due to murderous animals roaming the streets. Corruption is full circle in LA. Prayers up for the family, friends, and those who work with Officer Arroyos. It is a tremendous loss to society when a law man is murdered by crimnals.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Answer these....

A woman is grabbed by a violent serial rapist at a bus stop, a train platform or in her apartment...he plans on beating, raping and murdering her. She has a gun, and can stop the rape with the gun......

Do you want her to use that gun to stop the rape?

A woman stops an attack with a gun, a brutal rape, torture and murder...in a public space....if you had the ability to go back in time, and prevent her from having that gun...would you?
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The British government will not allow a woman to own and carry a gun to prevent being gang raped in a London park.....saying she does not have "good reason," to own the gun.

A member of the House of Lords wants to quail hunt with his rich friends on his private country estate, and the British government gives him the gun....because he has "good reason."

Does this make sense to you?

I'll answer them. YOU and you fellow countrymen are FUCKING PUSSIES. You've got fucking tiny pricks and need to walk around with guns for protection. You fucking piss poor cowards. In the UK, you don't walk around with guns, we don't perceive enemies killing us. Guess what? We must be harder than you pussies, you wouldn't survive here 5 mins, changing your diaper every second as you shit yourself.

And guess what again? We have criminals too, but just like most of yours, they're not armed to the teeth.

Gun nuts are mentally ill and fucking retarded. You have an ill view of the world and need psychiatric help.

I hope that answers your dilemma

 

[Uncensored2008]

You thought I was a US Democrat, you fucking pillock. Now you're trying to sound hard to get out of your dumb comment. Do you know how hard you are? Solid bone from the neck up.

What dumb comment? If you're a Paki from the UK who basically doesn't speak English, what fucking business is it of yours what we do?

America is fucked with guns.

You're fucked up with stupidity.

America was founded on violence, violence is your culture. Guns are everywhere, guns are unregulated everywhere.

This is why you need to fuck off, you have no clue what you're babbling about.

Kids blowing each other's brains out, kids at school blasting their school mates away. And the gun nut answer? More guns. You can't get anymore stupid than that.

Like I said Paki, this is none of your affair.

Fuck off.

Guns in America are juxtaposed to IQ. As gun ownership goes up, IQ comes down. And you in particular are doing a sterling effort.

Inverse relationship?

What is your IQ, 40? I understand that is the mean IQ of Paki's in the UK.

 

[Uncensored2008]

For the third time today, more guns gun nut.

Learn English.

 

[Uncensored2008]

There is no "gun problem". We have a criminal problem. A problem that has been exacerbated by Left wing politicians and their stupid anti-cop policies.

We also have a Hollywood problem, where violence is glorified and romanticized.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The off-duty cop wasn't unarmed. He took a risk, and it didn't pan out.

You could almost say that if he didn't have a gun, he'd be alive today, maybe $50 pooer.

No. He would still be dead. You aren't one of those slobs that actually think complying will save your life? Get a clue.

 

[marvin martian]

We know you couldn't make it in California....jelly.

LOL! ^^^Look at this retard, he's actually proud of the sky-high murder rate in his shithole city.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The off-duty cop wasn't unarmed. He took a risk, and it didn't pan out.

You could almost say that if he didn't have a gun, he'd be alive today, maybe $50 pooer.

You could also say he would have been murdered anyway.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

If they were wearing MAGA hats the lib news media would be reporting their life history by now

They would also be considered domestic terrorists.

 

[2aguy]

I'll answer them. YOU and you fellow countrymen are FUCKING PUSSIES. You've got fucking tiny pricks and need to walk around with guns for protection. You fucking piss poor cowards. In the UK, you don't walk around with guns, we don't perceive enemies killing us. Guess what? We must be harder than you pussies, you wouldn't survive here 5 mins, changing your diaper every second as you shit yourself.

And guess what again? We have criminals too, but just like most of yours, they're not armed to the teeth.

Gun nuts are mentally ill and fucking retarded. You have an ill view of the world and need psychiatric help.

I hope that answers your dilemma

Wow......you are dumb.......

 

[M14 Shooter]

I'll answer them. YOU and you fellow countrymen are FUCKING PUSSIES. You've got fucking tiny pricks and need to walk around with guns for protection. You fucking piss poor cowards.

Why does insulting people make you feel better?

 

[Mac-7]

They would also be considered domestic terrorists.

True