Occupy Wall Street Website: “Stop Listing Demands” We Look Like Complete Imbeciles

You are wrong. You are being manipulated. Your movement exists because Van Jones and Co have decided to make it so.

Prove it.
Know how to read?

The Obama Media Helps Launch Van Jones Revolution

The Obama Media reports Van Jones has planned an October revolution calling it an "American Autumn." Comparing his call to arms to the Arab Spring, Jones told Lawrence O'Donnell of MSNBC "hold onto your hats. We're gonna have an October offensive to take back the American Dream and to rescue America's middle class."


Jones and MoveOn.org organized a conference for October 3 - 5 at the Washington Hilton on Connecticut Avenue "to save the American Dream." Headliners on the Awards Gala list Drummond Pike of the Tides Foundation, and Cecile Richards of Planned Parenthood of America.
Beginning last June, Jones started ramping up his latest project aimed against the Tea Party and in true modern "professional revolutionary" fashion he organized from his desktop. Sending emailed letters of appeal to like-minded activists, Jones laid the groundwork for his still unspecified revolution (unless he was behind the 700 Wall Street protestors just arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge). Jones in the interview with O'Donnell said:
You're going to see an American fall, an American autumn, just like we saw the Arab Spring. You can see it right now with these young people on Wall Street. Hold onto your hats. We'll have an October offensive to take back the American dream and to rescue America's middle class.

There's the proof, right there for anyone to read! No leader, huh? Like hell! Van Jones is in this up to his eyeballs, and so are the union thugs. Damn, with the democrats running scared, ALL the rats are coming out of their holes in the woodwork. Excellent! Check your weapons, sharpen your bayonets, pass the ammo, and let's get ready to lock and load!
 
Whether we like it or not, we have a global economy.... your 'solutions' cannot and will not fix the problems

Again, when corporations are showing record profits all of that rings utterly false. It's not the global economy that's at fault here, it's the greed of our own rich and powerful.

In fact, we had a global economy back then, too. It wasn't quite as sophisticated as the one we have now, but we marketed to the world and the world marketed to us, and we still had narrow income gaps and a big, prosperous middle class. What's changed is that the government has been taken over by the corporate interests, nothing else.
 
The 'American Dream' was never 'give me free stuff'. It was 'I am free to succeed or fail'. If your 'American Dream' is taking from others so you don't have to work for it, you're in the wrong America.

OWS is not about "give me free stuff," either.

The concept of the American Dream is a post-WWII thing, during the decades when government policies narrowed income gaps, drove up real wages, and made it possible for most people to live a middle-class lifestyle, not, to be sure, without working for it -- that was never the goal and isn't now, either -- but with generous wages paid for their work. Today, thanks to stagnant and declining real wages over the past three decades, a middle-class lifestyle has become out of reach for most Americans.

It has nothing to do with having to work for it or not. It has to do with whether it's attainable if you DO work for it.

AH YES..there is the words folks.....when government policies narrowed income gaps, drove up real wages in other words, SOCIALISM AND FACISIM
 
To those who are responding to my "prove it" above, it might help if I told you what would constitute proof.

Show that most of the people who are involved in OWS are receiving orders, directly or indirectly, from the people you say are running the show. Demonstrate that they are participating because they follow these leaders and their orders, directly or indirectly, and not because of their own individual and independent beliefs. It would help, and probably suffice, if you can show that most of the OWS participants are authoritarian types who tend to follow orders rather than acting spontaneously.

The involvement in the movement of certain individuals prominent in liberal politics, by itself, proves nothing.
 
AH YES..there is the words folks.....when government policies narrowed income gaps, drove up real wages in other words, SOCIALISM AND FACISIM

So in your opinion, the U.S. had a socialist and/or fascist system in the 1950s and 1960s? Dwight Eisenhower was our Fuhrer, or Jack Kennedy our Commissar? Was Lyndon Johnson the General Secretary rather than the President? Was that a toothbrush mustache on Nixon's face, rather than a five-o'clock shadow?
 
To those who are responding to my "prove it" above, it might help if I told you what would constitute proof.

Show that most of the people who are involved in OWS are receiving orders, directly or indirectly, from the people you say are running the show. Demonstrate that they are participating because they follow these leaders and their orders, directly or indirectly, and not because of their own individual and independent beliefs. It would help, and probably suffice, if you can show that most of the OWS participants are authoritarian types who tend to follow orders rather than acting spontaneously.

The involvement in the movement of certain individuals prominent in liberal politics, by itself, proves nothing.

Wherever you find one commie, you'll find the others in the vicinity, and this administration has drawn them to it, like a fresh turd draws flies!
 
Whether we like it or not, we have a global economy.... your 'solutions' cannot and will not fix the problems

Again, when corporations are showing record profits all of that rings utterly false. It's not the global economy that's at fault here, it's the greed of our own rich and powerful.

In fact, we had a global economy back then, too. It wasn't quite as sophisticated as the one we have now, but we marketed to the world and the world marketed to us, and we still had narrow income gaps and a big, prosperous middle class. What's changed is that the government has been taken over by the corporate interests, nothing else.

Firstly, for the second time.... stop fucking snipping my posts. It's not like I write long missives or ramble on.... so fuck off with the rude snipping.

Secondly, you seem incapable of understanding the real serious issues that we have to fix. Your making yourself look childish with your simplistic babble. Economics is my bread and butter.... It's what I do.... and, if you learn nothing else from this thread.... learn what you do not understand.... you need to study economics before you debate this kind of shit.

I told you before... and I will repeat it because it appears you need to have it repeated... we cannot find the American Dream, until we get out of the nightmare. We're in a fucking recession - despite what the media tell you... it is not over... not by a long way... and we cannot afford your utopia. Get over it. Get a job. Pay your taxes. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Because I will not carry you.
 
The Tea party is also much clearer on what they want. They dont have to protest for days to get their message out.

The TP gets out when Freedom Works pays for the buses and their lunch. They also dress in 18th century garb which looks absurd on 21st century blubber.

Bullshit doesn't stop being bullshit because you want it to.

This 'leaderless' movement doesn't look 'leaderless' to anyone with an IQ in double digits.

Who is the leader of the Tea Party movement?---:lol: THERE IS NONE. We are all individuals within the group. We have different opinions on certain issues--but WE ALL AGREE on a smaller government--less spending--and a balanced budget amendment. And that's what makes us so EFFECTIVE.

In fact the Tea Party movement in this country is the ONLY bi-partisan group--consisting of which 47% are DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS.
 
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You are wrong. You are being manipulated. Your movement exists because Van Jones and Co have decided to make it so.

Prove it.
Know how to read?

The Obama Media Helps Launch Van Jones Revolution

The Obama Media reports Van Jones has planned an October revolution calling it an "American Autumn." Comparing his call to arms to the Arab Spring, Jones told Lawrence O'Donnell of MSNBC "hold onto your hats. We're gonna have an October offensive to take back the American Dream and to rescue America's middle class."


Jones and MoveOn.org organized a conference for October 3 - 5 at the Washington Hilton on Connecticut Avenue "to save the American Dream." Headliners on the Awards Gala list Drummond Pike of the Tides Foundation, and Cecile Richards of Planned Parenthood of America.
Beginning last June, Jones started ramping up his latest project aimed against the Tea Party and in true modern "professional revolutionary" fashion he organized from his desktop. Sending emailed letters of appeal to like-minded activists, Jones laid the groundwork for his still unspecified revolution (unless he was behind the 700 Wall Street protestors just arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge). Jones in the interview with O'Donnell said:
You're going to see an American fall, an American autumn, just like we saw the Arab Spring. You can see it right now with these young people on Wall Street. Hold onto your hats. We'll have an October offensive to take back the American dream and to rescue America's middle class.

Oh, cool. It's out in the media. That's helpful.

My 'secret sources' were right.... again. :lol:
 
Prove it.
Know how to read?

The Obama Media Helps Launch Van Jones Revolution



Jones and MoveOn.org organized a conference for October 3 - 5 at the Washington Hilton on Connecticut Avenue "to save the American Dream." Headliners on the Awards Gala list Drummond Pike of the Tides Foundation, and Cecile Richards of Planned Parenthood of America.
Beginning last June, Jones started ramping up his latest project aimed against the Tea Party and in true modern "professional revolutionary" fashion he organized from his desktop. Sending emailed letters of appeal to like-minded activists, Jones laid the groundwork for his still unspecified revolution (unless he was behind the 700 Wall Street protestors just arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge). Jones in the interview with O'Donnell said:
You're going to see an American fall, an American autumn, just like we saw the Arab Spring. You can see it right now with these young people on Wall Street. Hold onto your hats. We'll have an October offensive to take back the American dream and to rescue America's middle class.

Oh, cool. It's out in the media. That's helpful.

My 'secret sources' were right.... again. :lol:


And then you have Michael Moore--Susan Sarandan--who BOTH have profited from CAPITALISM--as the side line leaders of this group--:lol:
 
Firstly, for the second time.... stop fucking snipping my posts. It's not like I write long missives or ramble on.... so fuck off with the rude snipping.

No. Sorry, but when one sentence of your post contains the gist of it, and all the rest is logically dependent on that one sentence, I will reply to that one sentence and snip the rest. If in doing so I actually distort what you say, then let me know. Otherwise, lump it.

The remainder of this post is purely empty rhetoric devoid of any cognitive content, and deserves no reply at all. I see no reason to respond when you have, in effect, said nothing.
 
Who is the leader of the Tea Party movement?---:lol: THERE IS NONE. We are all individuals within the group.

Exactly. And the same is true of OWS. If you can't understand it any other way, do it that way.
 
Who is the leader of the Tea Party movement?---:lol: THERE IS NONE. We are all individuals within the group.

Exactly. And the same is true of OWS. If you can't understand it any other way, do it that way.

You may not know it.... but you do have a leader. It's Van Jones. No point denying it. We know this is part of his 'October Offensive'. He said so. Are you calling Watermelon Man a liar?
 
Who is the leader of the Tea Party movement?---:lol: THERE IS NONE. We are all individuals within the group.

Exactly. And the same is true of OWS. If you can't understand it any other way, do it that way.

You may not know it.... but you do have a leader. It's Van Jones. No point denying it. We know this is part of his 'October Offensive'. He said so. Are you calling Watermelon Man a liar?
What the poster does know is that he and the entire faux 'grass roots' tresspassing is busted for what it really is.

Astro-Turf.
 
Who is the leader of the Tea Party movement?---:lol: THERE IS NONE. We are all individuals within the group.

Exactly. And the same is true of OWS. If you can't understand it any other way, do it that way.


Well--you obviously have some in your Occupy Wall Street group that have ELECTED themselves AS YOUR LEADERS--otherwise where in the hell did THIS 13 issue DEMAND LIST come from?
 
Well--you obviously have some in your Occupy Wall Street group that have ELECTED themselves AS YOUR LEADERS--otherwise where in the hell did THIS 13 issue DEMAND LIST come from?

One person posting on the forum, and he was not presenting himself as a "leader," he was presenting his ideas for consideration.
 
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No, no one has proven that OWS is controlled by any one person or any group of people. What you presented earlier was worthless -- the source was garbage, and even if it had been true as to the facts presented (which it wasn't) it still would not have proven anything.
 

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