Ocasio-Cortez defends $40 trillion price tag for progressive proposals

[danielpalos]

Poor Dan gets confused by rights and powers.

spammer.

You should report it then. Integrity of the board, all that.

i put it in writing, for your benefit;

should we ever need an audit.

 

[saveliberty]

i understand capitalism works; unlike the right wing.

I agree, Narcan should be $10,000 a dose.

 

[McRocket]

LOL go for it demoquacks....just remember what happened in the 2010 midterms....the shellacking of all shellackings

But I thought all free shit was free.

Well....not so much it turns out.

we could have more money if we ended our free drug war; nothing but drug dependents is all we get.

AGREED.

Money saved by ending the drug war:

- millions fewer people incarcerated on non-violent, drug crimes.
- billions saved by law enforcement for more important crime 'fighting'.
- drug prices would drop drastically (probably by about 75% minimum), allowing users to make enough money doing regular jobs to feed their habit. This is not possible today - as most drug addicts have to do illegal activities to generate sufficient funds for their habits. These are not taxed - regular jobs would be...adding many, many millions to government coffers.
- organized crime would be weakened...making them easier/cheaper to fight.
- prostitution would be reduced. Most prostitutes are drug addicts. Make drugs legal, these people can then do regular jobs to pay for their habit. These jobs are taxed - prostitution is not. Bonus - less prostitutes and related crimes.
- now, legal drugs could be taxed by the government (like cigs and booze are now)...adding billions of government revenue.

 

[jillian]

'Progressive Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Sunday defended what could accrue to a $40 trillion price tag for progressive policy programs, including Medicare for all, over the next 10 years, citing the success in some European countries that have similarly developed health care models.

CNN "State of the Union" anchor Jake Tapper asked where that estimated $40 trillion -- which would include the costs for Medicare for all, jobs guarantees, student loan forgiveness, free college programs, paid family leave, and Social Security expansion -- would come from. Medicare for all would be the costliest initiative, coming in at about $32 trillion, according to the Mercatus Center, a free market-oriented think tank at George Mason University, as well as an earlier study by the Urban Institute's Health Policy Center.'

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends $40 trillion price tag for progressive proposals - CNNPolitics

Two thoughts.

1) Dang...she is good looking (especially for a politician) and seems to have her heart in the right place.

2) SHE IS OUT OF HER MIND on this.

$4 TRILLION per year for 10 years?!?

Now, I personally do not think Medicare will cost that much (about $10,000 per person? It only costs about $5,000 per person in Canada) - though it will still cost TONS. But I at least get that part. I personally am for full healthcare coverage for children. But it HAS to be two-tiered - full Medicare for the poor and private healthcare for everyone else.

But just the rest will add $800 billion to the budget every year.

There is no frigging way she will be able to raise that just through more taxes on the rich and higher corporate taxes...not without driving business out of America.

This is progressivism at it's worst...nice, pie-in-the-sky ideas but no remote ideas as to how to pay for them.

And in the above linked interview...she gave no clue WHATSOEVER of how she was going to pay for it (in remotely practical ways).

If you cared about spending, you’d be complaing about the hole Donald and his insane wingnut autocrats have blown in our budget.

Your crocodile tears and hypocrisy are duly noted.

US Government Spends A Record $433 Billion In One Month As Deficit Explodes

You were saying?




Next time you decide to throw insults around - I suggest you make sure they actually are accurate.


Have a nice day.

Thanks for pricing my point little one.

 

[saveliberty]

Poor Dan gets confused by rights and powers.

spammer.

You should report it then. Integrity of the board, all that.

i put it in writing, for your benefit;

should we ever need an audit.

Let me know if the benefit is taxable or not by April please.

 

[McRocket]

'Progressive Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Sunday defended what could accrue to a $40 trillion price tag for progressive policy programs, including Medicare for all, over the next 10 years, citing the success in some European countries that have similarly developed health care models.

CNN "State of the Union" anchor Jake Tapper asked where that estimated $40 trillion -- which would include the costs for Medicare for all, jobs guarantees, student loan forgiveness, free college programs, paid family leave, and Social Security expansion -- would come from. Medicare for all would be the costliest initiative, coming in at about $32 trillion, according to the Mercatus Center, a free market-oriented think tank at George Mason University, as well as an earlier study by the Urban Institute's Health Policy Center.'

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends $40 trillion price tag for progressive proposals - CNNPolitics

Two thoughts.

1) Dang...she is good looking (especially for a politician) and seems to have her heart in the right place.

2) SHE IS OUT OF HER MIND on this.

$4 TRILLION per year for 10 years?!?

Now, I personally do not think Medicare will cost that much (about $10,000 per person? It only costs about $5,000 per person in Canada) - though it will still cost TONS. But I at least get that part. I personally am for full healthcare coverage for children. But it HAS to be two-tiered - full Medicare for the poor and private healthcare for everyone else.

But just the rest will add $800 billion to the budget every year.

There is no frigging way she will be able to raise that just through more taxes on the rich and higher corporate taxes...not without driving business out of America.

This is progressivism at it's worst...nice, pie-in-the-sky ideas but no remote ideas as to how to pay for them.

And in the above linked interview...she gave no clue WHATSOEVER of how she was going to pay for it (in remotely practical ways).

If you cared about spending, you’d be complaing about the hole Donald and his insane wingnut autocrats have blown in our budget.

Your crocodile tears and hypocrisy are duly noted.

US Government Spends A Record $433 Billion In One Month As Deficit Explodes

You were saying?




Next time you decide to throw insults around - I suggest you make sure they actually are accurate.


Have a nice day.

Thanks for pricing my point little one.

No idea what you are babbling about...'pricing my point'? I will assume you mean 'proving my point'.

You accused me of hypocrisy for not knocking Trump/Reps for their deficit spending. I showed you the thread (that I started) where I did EXACTLY that.

So where is your hypocrisy? I am against huge deficits...no matter which party it is.

Do you even know what hypocrisy means?

 

[saveliberty]

AGREED.

Money saved by ending the drug war:

- millions fewer people incarcerated on non-violent, drug crimes.
- billions saved by law enforcement for more important crime 'fighting'.
- drug prices would drop drastically (probably by about 75% minimum), allowing users to make enough money doing regular jobs to feed their habit. This is not possible today - as most drug addicts have to do illegal activities to generate sufficient funds for their habits. These are not taxed - regular jobs would be...adding many, many millions to government coffers.
- organized crime would be weakened...making them easier/cheaper to fight.
- prostitution would be reduced. Most prostitutes are drug addicts. Make drugs legal, these people can then do regular jobs to pay for their habit. These jobs are taxed - prostitution is not. Bonus - less prostitutes and related crimes.
- now, legal drugs could be taxed by the government (like cigs and booze are now)...adding billions of government revenue.

Kids being raised by drug dependent parents.
Employers paying out injury claims on drugged up employees.
More traffic deaths
oh yes, way better idea....

 

[danielpalos]

i understand capitalism works; unlike the right wing.

I agree, Narcan should be $10,000 a dose.

i am on the left and believe we should merely be using capitalism for all of its capital worth in modern times.

Better solutions at lower cost, is what we need.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Medicare for all will not cost $32 trillion

Money formerly spent by employers and employees will be diverted

And Obamacare will save everyone $2,500 or 2,500%, whichever comes first.

Progressives and economic understanding are parallel lines that never meet

 

[McRocket]

AGREED.

Money saved by ending the drug war:

- millions fewer people incarcerated on non-violent, drug crimes.
- billions saved by law enforcement for more important crime 'fighting'.
- drug prices would drop drastically (probably by about 75% minimum), allowing users to make enough money doing regular jobs to feed their habit. This is not possible today - as most drug addicts have to do illegal activities to generate sufficient funds for their habits. These are not taxed - regular jobs would be...adding many, many millions to government coffers.
- organized crime would be weakened...making them easier/cheaper to fight.
- prostitution would be reduced. Most prostitutes are drug addicts. Make drugs legal, these people can then do regular jobs to pay for their habit. These jobs are taxed - prostitution is not. Bonus - less prostitutes and related crimes.
- now, legal drugs could be taxed by the government (like cigs and booze are now)...adding billions of government revenue.

Kids being raised by drug dependent parents.
Employers paying out injury claims on drugged up employees.
More traffic deaths
oh yes, way better idea....

Kids are being raised now by drug dependent kids...what is the difference? No one in their right mind is going to start heroin or crack for fun. 'Gee, booze is boring...I think I will become a heroin addict'. Suuuuuuuure.
What injury claims? Obviously, if they go to work high - they get fired. Same as with drunks.
Less traffic deaths. Now addicts cannot get help for their problem because it is illegal...they risk jail time. If it were legal - they can get help for their problems.

And prove to me that the country will not save billions if currently illegal drugs are legalized?

Only an ignoramus on this thinks that would not happen.

 

[danielpalos]

Poor Dan gets confused by rights and powers.

spammer.

You should report it then. Integrity of the board, all that.

i put it in writing, for your benefit;

should we ever need an audit.

Let me know if the benefit is taxable or not by April please.

i don't have to worry about the entire month of April; i believe in making the other fellow resort to fallacy for His cause, first.

 

[saveliberty]

All I hear is give me free stuff and let me get high.

 

[saveliberty]

Kids are being raised now by drug dependent kids...what is the difference. No one in their right mind is going to start heroin or crack for fun.
What injury claims? Obviously, if they go to work high - they get fired. Same as with drunks.
Less traffic deaths. Now addicts cannot get help for their problem because it is illegal...they risk jail time. If it were legal - they can get help for their problems.

And prove to me that the country will not save billions if currently legal drugs are legalized?

Ah, currently legalized drugs ARE legal.

Kids are suppose to be raised by parents, not drug dependent kids as you stated.

Usually drug issues are found out AFTER an injury, not before.

Addicts do not want treatment, they want drugs, that is why they're addicts.

 

[danielpalos]

All I hear is give me free stuff and let me get high.

what I understand, is you know nothing about economics.

 

[saveliberty]

i don't have to worry about the entire month of April; i believe in making the other fellow resort to fallacy for His cause, first.

I am here for entertainment purposes. Your cause is supposedly capitalism, yet you are here defending socialism. No fallacy there at all.

 

[saveliberty]

All I hear is give me free stuff and let me get high.

what I understand, is you know nothing about economics.

I just gave you multiple reason why your premise was a false one. Obviously you need to create the illusion of a fallacy there. Maybe get a bigger shovel so you can dig the hole faster?

 

[McRocket]

Kids are being raised now by drug dependent kids...what is the difference. No one in their right mind is going to start heroin or crack for fun.
What injury claims? Obviously, if they go to work high - they get fired. Same as with drunks.
Less traffic deaths. Now addicts cannot get help for their problem because it is illegal...they risk jail time. If it were legal - they can get help for their problems.

And prove to me that the country will not save billions if currently legal drugs are legalized?

Ah, currently legalized drugs ARE legal.

I meant 'illegal' obviously...I changed it.

Kids are suppose to be raised by parents, not drug dependent kids as you stated.

Exactly how would more kids be raised by drug dependent parents if drugs were legalized then they are now?

Usually drug issues are found out AFTER an injury, not before.

LOL...obviously, you don't know much about illegal drugs. If someone is high on heroin or crack - there is NO WAY EVERYONE around them will not know about it. It's not like booze where a little is not always noticeable. If your ears are ringing from crack...you CANNOT FUNCTION...PERIOD. And heroin? Don't make me laugh. Some guy shaking and vomiting while on heroin is kinda gonna be noticeable.
Stick to what you know about - because serious drug use ain't it.

Addicts do not want treatment, they want drugs, that is why they're addicts.

I was a crack addict and every, single addict I ever knew wanted treatment. AND EVERY, SINGLE one of them wanted to quit. Almost no addict wants to be an addict. Just like almost every hard alcoholic does not want to depend on booze.

Prove that addicts don't want treatment...this should be good.


You are talking out of your ass and clearly have NO IDEA what being a drug addict is about.

 

[Lesh]

Newsflash.

The GDP (more accurately GWP) of the entire WORLD is 80 trillion.

This is a really stupid thread

 

[Missouri_Mike]

LOL go for it demoquacks....just remember what happened in the 2010 midterms....the shellacking of all shellackings

But I thought all free shit was free.

Well....not so much it turns out.

we could have more money if we ended our free drug war; nothing but drug dependents is all we get.

And those people are sure going to help pay taxes.

 

[Toro]

O-C will just round up a herd of unicorns to ride out to the magic money trees and voila! everything is paid for.