Obstructionism

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Much is written and said about the obstructionist Repubs in the House and Senate. But it ain't just one side of the aisle here, it's both sides depending on who's in the majority and who's in the WH. There is an op-ed in today's WSJ, sorry no link, it's proprietary, that talks about what goes on. I'd like to stress that in this case it's the Dems, but as the article says, both sides play all kinds of tricks and manuevers to benefit their side. Consider this:

On March 19, the Dems introduce a bill in the Senate to promote renewable energy, paying for it by raising taxes on the oil companies. Normally, the bill would go into a particular committee for action, but Harry Reid bypasses the committee and puts the bill directly onto the Senate schedule. Two days later he initiates a process to call up the bill and immediately files a cloture motion to end debate on it. The following monday the Senate votes 92-4 to end the debate (on the cloture motion, not the bill itself). The next day, Reid brings the bill to the floor and immediately offers 5 amendments to the bill and a motion to preclude any more amendments or motions. He then files a motion for cloture, ending any debate before it got started. Two days later the Senate votes along party lines to reject cloture and the bill dies. (You don't vote on a bill until a cloture vote to end debate on it has passed with at least 60 votes. Except maybe appropriations.)

So, were the Repubs obstructionists here? They didn't get the chance to offer any amendments or debate on it. No committee discussions or changes were possible, no chance to filibuster anything. No, the ability for the Senate to take meaningful action was preempted by the Majority Leader, through parliamentary maneuvers. Our form of gov't is designed for majority rule, but it's also designed so that the minority is not steamrollered with no voice or power. So why do it?

For political reasons, obviously. An effort to make the Repubs look obstructionist. But also to avoid forcing the Dems to take a vote and go on record for tough issues. That's called cowardice; it sure as hell isn't leadership. The op-ed notes that both sides do it, undoubtedly true. That's one reason why the favorability rating for Congress is in the mid to low teens, and has been for quite awhile.
 
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I defy anyone to post here showing ONE instance of a Republican getting up to speak and not stopping until the bill was rescinded.

This is what a filibuster is. Not once has the GOP in the Senate filibustered a bill. The threat of a fillibuster is NOT a filibuster.
 
That meeting the republicans had on inauguration night to swear a blood oath to defy 100% of anything Obama wanted was way over the top of anything democrats ever did in the obstruction game.
 
That meeting the republicans had on inauguration night to swear a blood oath to defy 100% of anything Obama wanted was way over the top of anything democrats ever did in the obstruction game.


Your post was kinda over the top too. Got a link from a reputable source that indicates such a meeting ever took place?
 
That meeting the republicans had on inauguration night to swear a blood oath to defy 100% of anything Obama wanted was way over the top of anything democrats ever did in the obstruction game.


Your post was kinda over the top too. Got a link from a reputable source that indicates such a meeting ever took place?

Naw, ya gotta be a member to read that.

Sheesh.

READ. Its been all over the news AND that sorry jackass DeMint SAID so.

IF you have access to the Interwebs, go to GOOGLE FUCKING DOT COM and do a very elementary search. Then

READ.

(WTF is it with rw's? WHY do they believe they can suddenly declare that something didn't happen when the entire literate world knows different?)
 
That meeting the republicans had on inauguration night to swear a blood oath to defy 100% of anything Obama wanted was way over the top of anything democrats ever did in the obstruction game.

Make up some more crap pissant. Give me a link from a credible source and you get an apology.
 
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Much is written and said about the obstructionist Repubs in the House and Senate. But it ain't just one side of the aisle here, it's both sides depending on who's in the majority and who's in the WH.
Not THIS time!!!


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That meeting the republicans had on inauguration night to swear a blood oath to defy 100% of anything Obama wanted was way over the top of anything democrats ever did in the obstruction game.

Make up some more crap pissant. Give me a link from a credible source and you get an apology.
....As if any "conservatives" (actually) care, anyhow.....​


"Ed Kilgore counters that swing voters can never be persuaded to hold anyone but the president’s party wholly accountable for the state of the economy. I’ve made a similar case, arguing that even if swing voters are fully convinced that the GOP is deliberately blocking Obama policies they believe would help the economy, they may not care, and may simply ask themselves why Obama isn’t getting his policies through despite the opposition.

But all this aside, let’s face it: If Dems want a national media debate over whether the GOP is deliberately sabotaging the economy or is actively rooting for economic failure, they aren’t going to get one. This is not a topic that will get sustained media attention or discussion, no matter what Dems do."
 

"....lawmakers were sticking to their plan of letting the November 6 elections decide which party should shape the country's budget and tax policy, leaving it until after that vote to pass major legislation in a mad-dash to December 31.

Thus, Democrats and Republicans seemed content on Monday to dig deeper into partisan positions and blame each other for the U.S. jobs malaise.

"Republicans have acted with urgency on jobs, passing nearly 30 bills that would help encourage economic growth and job creation," said Kevin Smith, a spokesman for Republican House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner. "Unfortunately, these jobs bills are gathering dust in the Democratic-controlled Senate."

Democratic Representative Allyson Schwartz shot back: "Republicans have chosen to pass bills that are basically campaign rhetoric that they know are going nowhere. That's not getting us where we need to go to help Americans find jobs."

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Thank you lefties, for fucking up my thread. Good job ignoring the point and creating distractions.

BTW Luddly, I've tried your link, it still does not allow reading the complete piece. Why don't you post the salient parts for the rest of us.
 
Okay. I think I'm looking at the whole article. It starts with

There's a growing chorus complaining that the Senate is broken, that Republicans are to blame, and that the rules of procedure need to be changed. This argument has any number of flaws, but at its core it relies on a general misrepresentation of how the Senate, and the filibuster in particular, works.

For example, here's how Politico's congressional reporter Scott Wong characterized the situation as part of a recent story on a lawsuit brought against the Senate by Common Cause to declare the filibuster unconstitutional:

And ends with

The Senate is the most uniquely American of all our federal institutions. It is a powerful and proud body that has protected us and our freedoms for more than 200 years. In order to work properly, however, senators must have their freedom too—the freedom to debate and offer amendments and, ultimately, vote. That is what they were elected to do, and that is how the Senate should work.

Mr. Reardon is a principal at Venn Strategies, and served on the National Economic Council under President George W. Bush. Mr. Ueland is vice president of the Duberstein Group and was chief of staff to former Senate Majority leader Bill Frist.

And appears to be 20 paragraphs long.

What am I missing?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304707604577424491399594250.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
 

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