Obama's Libya Victory Call = Bush's "Mission Accomplished"???

[The Infidel]

It's not a problem for us....Libya has not become a country America occupies and is repsonsible for....that's how bloodthirsty interventionlist righties think getting rid of despots should entail.

The Libyan people are the ones responsible for the direction their contry takes, not us. Also...we don't have to spend trillions and sacrifice the lives of our young men and women cleaning up any messes, because the French and British have taken responibility for their region.

You guys just can't admit that Obama changed a government without sacrificing Americans. If Obama wouldn't have gotten it started, the Frogs, Brits, and Libyan people wouldn't have finished it.

Why can't you just say "job well done?"

Because its not.... he violated the war powers act, and we have no idea who will take charge over there... and yes, that CAN be a huge problem for us.

I think we shouldnt have meddled in Lybia like we did, but that just my opinion so get over it.

Ahhhh...the olde "I'm right now stop talking!" approach....it's almost as effective as the "lah lah lah I can't hear you" (fingers in the ears approach.

I know you'll hate it if Libya does okay, and we don't have to send Americans to thier death over it. Misery loves company, and the right need company in their "we killed young Americans because we're stupid" club.

Thanks for letting everyone know why I wont debate a loser like you.

You debate like a kindergartner.... no substance at all, just rhetoric.

 

[toxicmedia]

ACTUALLY THE DOMINO EFFECT WAS CAUSED BY THE FALL OF SADDAM HUSSEIN !!George Bush predicted this would happen!!

link?

It's not at all far fetched. I had a thread on this some time ago, where I thought that some of the refugees from Iraq might actually be involved in some of this.

In any case..Iraq provides a platform to work from. Popular movements in the middle east believe it's possible to topple dictatorships.

Which may or may not be a bad thing.

But that's not what middle easterners are saying. The average Egyptian, Yemeni, Libyan, and Iraqi are still against the US presence. There is nothing I've seen to indicate this is anything but a rejection of entrenched despotic dictators. Can you show any statements from rebel leaders in the Arab spring countries that say they started thier movements because the US would help them?

 

[Sallow]

Because its not.... he violated the war powers act, and we have no idea who will take charge over there... and yes, that CAN be a huge problem for us.

I think we shouldnt have meddled in Lybia like we did, but that just my opinion so get over it.

In terms of initating something, you are correct. Qaddafi was a thug, but it seems he was completely cowed and trying to make nice with everyone. Turns out that might not have been the case since the Arab league wanted him out. In any case the popular uprising provided a means to take him out..so why not go with it. There was sure enough reason to off the bastard. Lockerbie being most important.

In any case..yeah..it's a mixed bag. Nobody really knows whats going to happen next there and the US involvement in ousting Qaddafi is going to bode badly for the next time we ask a nutter regime to give up their weapons of mass destruction.

 

[KissMy]

Obama's Libyan policy lead to the ousting of K-daff without the loss of one single American. What's left to bitch about?....who cares who pushed the buttons and flew the missions after we got it started?

Obama nearly screwed up the Libya situation. Obama dithered while McCain had to tell him to support the rebels. That lag got a huge amount of the rebels killed & nearly cost them the war.

Republicans had the better plan. Obama should have learned from the way Republicans overthrew Egypts dictator with no US casualties unlike Obama's in Libya. For 5 years Republicans secretly backed uprising in Egypt planning for regime change.

The Daily Telegraph

The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.

On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government in 2011.

He has already been arrested by Egyptian security in connection with the demonstrations and his identity is being protected by The Daily Telegraph.

Secret US document discloses support for protesters behind the Egypt uprising.

xxxxxxxxxxxx contended that the GOE will never undertake significant reform, and therefore, Egyptians need to replace the current regime with a parliamentary democracy. He alleged that several opposition parties and movements have accepted an unwritten plan for democratic transition by 2011;.....

xxxxxxxxxxxx claimed that several opposition forces -- including the Wafd, Nasserite, Karama and Tagammu parties, and the Muslim Brotherhood, Kifaya, and Revolutionary Socialist movements -- have agreed to support an unwritten plan for a transition to a parliamentary democracy, involving a weakened presidency and an empowered prime minister and parliament, before the scheduled 2011 presidential elections

The "Secret Document" mentioned this "Revolutionary Activist" speaking at a late January Congressional hearing on House Resolution 1303 regarding religious and political freedom in Egypt.

This Resolution H. Res. 1303: Calling on the Egyptian Government to respect human rights and freedoms of religion was introduced Jun 24, 2008 by Rep. Frank Wolf [R-VA10].

It was also introduced in several previous secessions of congress. On Jul 28, 2005 it was introduced as H. Res. 413: Expressing the concern of House of Representatives regarding the amount of United States foreign assistance provided to Egypt over the past 25 years without meaningful political reforms by the Government of Egypt, by Rep. Ted Poe [R-TX2].

The overthrow of Egypt's dictator was the Republican perfectly executed master plan. Obama's lack of leadership nearly cost Libya's rebels the war. Obama is not an effective leader.

Republicans relied heavily on our relationship with Egypt's military. We counted on our influence of democratic civilian control of our military to influence their military officials over our 30 year joint military cooperation. So far it seems to have paid off. Egypt's military has played ball with the plan.

Pentagon Faces Test of Influence With Ally

The officer corps of Egypt’s powerful military has been educated at defense colleges in the United States for 30 years. The Egyptian armed forces have about 1,000 American M1A1 Abrams tanks, which the United States allows to be built on Egyptian soil. Egypt permits the American military to stage major operations from its bases, and has always guaranteed the Americans passage through the Suez Canal.

The relationship between the Egyptian and American militaries is, in fact, so close that it was no surprise on Friday to find two dozen senior Egyptian military officials at the Pentagon, halfway through an annual week of meetings, lunches and dinners with their American counterparts.

By the afternoon, the Egyptians had cut short the talks to return to Cairo, but not before a top Defense Department official, Alexander Vershbow, had urged them to exercise “restraint,” the Pentagon said.

 

[The Infidel]

ACTUALLY THE DOMINO EFFECT WAS CAUSED BY THE FALL OF SADDAM HUSSEIN !!George Bush predicted this would happen!!

link?

It's not at all far fetched. I had a thread on this some time ago, where I thought that some of the refugees from Iraq might actually be involved in some of this.

In any case..Iraq provides a platform to work from. Popular movements in the middle east believe it's possible to topple dictatorships.

Which may or may not be a bad thing.

This dummy asks for a link, but all he has to do is remember that the Lybian dictator was scared shitless after we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

He showed he was weak, and could be dominated easily

 

[toxicmedia]

Because its not.... he violated the war powers act, and we have no idea who will take charge over there... and yes, that CAN be a huge problem for us.

I think we shouldnt have meddled in Lybia like we did, but that just my opinion so get over it.

Ahhhh...the olde "I'm right now stop talking!" approach....it's almost as effective as the "lah lah lah I can't hear you" (fingers in the ears approach.

I know you'll hate it if Libya does okay, and we don't have to send Americans to thier death over it. Misery loves company, and the right need company in their "we killed young Americans because we're stupid" club.

Thanks for letting everyone know why I wont debate a loser like you.

You debate like a kindergartner.... no substance at all, just rhetoric.

I think the word counts alone from my posts compared to yours means something...but I wouldn't expect someone who probably went to church instead of college to get that.

 

[The Infidel]

Because its not.... he violated the war powers act, and we have no idea who will take charge over there... and yes, that CAN be a huge problem for us.

I think we shouldnt have meddled in Lybia like we did, but that just my opinion so get over it.

In terms of initating something, you are correct. Qaddafi was a thug, but it seems he was completely cowed and trying to make nice with everyone. Turns out that might not have been the case since the Arab league wanted him out. In any case the popular uprising provided a means to take him out..so why not go with it. There was sure enough reason to off the bastard. Lockerbie being most important.

In any case..yeah..it's a mixed bag. Nobody really knows whats going to happen next there and the US involvement in ousting Qaddafi is going to bode badly for the next time we ask a nutter regime to give up their weapons of mass destruction.

Thanks Sallow.... you put it better than I did.

 

[Sallow]

link?

It's not at all far fetched. I had a thread on this some time ago, where I thought that some of the refugees from Iraq might actually be involved in some of this.

In any case..Iraq provides a platform to work from. Popular movements in the middle east believe it's possible to topple dictatorships.

Which may or may not be a bad thing.

But that's not what middle easterners are saying. The average Egyptian, Yemeni, Libyan, and Iraqi are still against the US presence. There is nothing I've seen to indicate this is anything but a rejection of entrenched despotic dictators. Can you show any statements from rebel leaders in the Arab spring countries that say they started thier movements because the US would help them?

Most of these guys have been in power for several decades..with little or no problems. Iraq gets toppled and shortly after..they are all going south.

You don't need to be a middle eastern expert to make the connection.

 

[toxicmedia]

link?

It's not at all far fetched. I had a thread on this some time ago, where I thought that some of the refugees from Iraq might actually be involved in some of this.

In any case..Iraq provides a platform to work from. Popular movements in the middle east believe it's possible to topple dictatorships.

Which may or may not be a bad thing.

This dummy asks for a link, but all he has to do is remember that the Lybian dictator was scared shitless after we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
He showed he was weak, and could be dominated easily

Any proof besides righy blogs?

 

[The Infidel]

Ahhhh...the olde "I'm right now stop talking!" approach....it's almost as effective as the "lah lah lah I can't hear you" (fingers in the ears approach.

I know you'll hate it if Libya does okay, and we don't have to send Americans to thier death over it. Misery loves company, and the right need company in their "we killed young Americans because we're stupid" club.

Thanks for letting everyone know why I wont debate a loser like you.

You debate like a kindergartner.... no substance at all, just rhetoric.

I think the word counts alone from my posts compared to yours means something...but I wouldn't expect someone who probably went to church instead of college to get that.

So if you take a long time to say something stupid it makes you smart?

Way to go brainiac

 

[toxicmedia]

It's not at all far fetched. I had a thread on this some time ago, where I thought that some of the refugees from Iraq might actually be involved in some of this.

In any case..Iraq provides a platform to work from. Popular movements in the middle east believe it's possible to topple dictatorships.

Which may or may not be a bad thing.

But that's not what middle easterners are saying. The average Egyptian, Yemeni, Libyan, and Iraqi are still against the US presence. There is nothing I've seen to indicate this is anything but a rejection of entrenched despotic dictators. Can you show any statements from rebel leaders in the Arab spring countries that say they started thier movements because the US would help them?

Most of these guys have been in power for several decades..with little or no problems. Iraq gets toppled and shortly after..they are all going south.

You don't need to be a middle eastern expert to make the connection.

I'm not trying to pick a fight...but that's still not what middle easterners are saying.

 

[Sallow]

Ahhhh...the olde "I'm right now stop talking!" approach....it's almost as effective as the "lah lah lah I can't hear you" (fingers in the ears approach.

I know you'll hate it if Libya does okay, and we don't have to send Americans to thier death over it. Misery loves company, and the right need company in their "we killed young Americans because we're stupid" club.

Thanks for letting everyone know why I wont debate a loser like you.

You debate like a kindergartner.... no substance at all, just rhetoric.

I think the word counts alone from my posts compared to yours means something...but I wouldn't expect someone who probably went to church instead of college to get that.

And that would be your first mistake.

The Infidel and I don't see eye to eye on most issues..but he's pretty bright.

 

[High_Gravity]

It's not at all far fetched. I had a thread on this some time ago, where I thought that some of the refugees from Iraq might actually be involved in some of this.

In any case..Iraq provides a platform to work from. Popular movements in the middle east believe it's possible to topple dictatorships.

Which may or may not be a bad thing.

But that's not what middle easterners are saying. The average Egyptian, Yemeni, Libyan, and Iraqi are still against the US presence. There is nothing I've seen to indicate this is anything but a rejection of entrenched despotic dictators. Can you show any statements from rebel leaders in the Arab spring countries that say they started thier movements because the US would help them?

Most of these guys have been in power for several decades..with little or no problems. Iraq gets toppled and shortly after..they are all going south.

You don't need to be a middle eastern expert to make the connection.

Good point, if we had never gotten Saddam, you think Gaddafi, Mubarak and Assad would have went anywhere?

 

[The Infidel]

It's not at all far fetched. I had a thread on this some time ago, where I thought that some of the refugees from Iraq might actually be involved in some of this.

In any case..Iraq provides a platform to work from. Popular movements in the middle east believe it's possible to topple dictatorships.

Which may or may not be a bad thing.

This dummy asks for a link, but all he has to do is remember that the Lybian dictator was scared shitless after we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
He showed he was weak, and could be dominated easily

Any proof besides righy blogs?

 

[toxicmedia]

Thanks for letting everyone know why I wont debate a loser like you.

You debate like a kindergartner.... no substance at all, just rhetoric.

I think the word counts alone from my posts compared to yours means something...but I wouldn't expect someone who probably went to church instead of college to get that.

So if you take a long time to say something stupid it makes you smart?

Way to go brainiac

Righties sure do have an inferiority complex about NOT being educated.

 

[High_Gravity]

Yep.... problem is, we have no idea who is in control, nor who they are

It's not a problem for us....Libya has not become a country America occupies and is repsonsible for....that's how bloodthirsty interventionlist righties think getting rid of despots should entail.

The Libyan people are the ones responsible for the direction their contry takes, not us. Also...we don't have to spend trillions and sacrifice the lives of our young men and women cleaning up any messes, because the French and British have taken responibility for their region.

You guys just can't admit that Obama changed a government without sacrificing Americans. If Obama wouldn't have gotten it started, the Frogs, Brits, and Libyan people wouldn't have finished it.

Why can't you just say "job well done?"

Because its not.... he violated the war powers act, and we have no idea who will take charge over there... and yes, that CAN be a huge problem for us.

I think we shouldnt have meddled in Lybia like we did, but that just my opinion so get over it.

I didn't agree with getting involved in Libya either bro, I'm sure if you saw some of my older posts I was very much against getting involved but we are where we are. Gaddafi was a thug with American blood on his hands, if he is toppled without 1 American soldier getting hurt I am all for that, my concern now is what kind of government will rise up out of the ashes of the Gaddafi regime.

 

[toxicmedia]

This dummy asks for a link, but all he has to do is remember that the Lybian dictator was scared shitless after we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
He showed he was weak, and could be dominated easily

Any proof besides righy blogs?

If I could cite Egyptian, Yemeni, and Libyan newspapers that dispute this notion that America's invasion of Iraq in no way inspired the latest revolutions....would it be worth my time?....or would you just rather believe what the American right thinks about it?

 

[Avorysuds]

They can't possibly let the thought that Obama's foreign policy decisions lead to the eradication of an Islamic dictator without one single loss of an American life sink into the brackish hateful goo that's inside their brains.

It freaks out anti Obama folks when Obama's policies work regarding foreign military policy...work better than theirs.

I think the OP is trying to assert that Obama is repsonsible for Libya for the next ten years. I mean it does make sense...Bush left Obama with two unfinished wars and a trashed economy, and now it's all Obama's fault. Never underestimate the conservative Christian right.

MOST people, that means used to be Obama supporters and all were against the Libya war... You neocons are still in power, America and the world are trying to get rid of you asap.

Are you calling me a neocon?

Yup... Just like you lump everyone that does not agree with you as a "rightie" and say they agreed with Bush or had no problems with Bush's policies... The big difference is you actually do defend Bush's polices just you do it under Obama. You're a Bush era Neocon, big government in every direction.

 

[The Infidel]

It's not at all far fetched. I had a thread on this some time ago, where I thought that some of the refugees from Iraq might actually be involved in some of this.

In any case..Iraq provides a platform to work from. Popular movements in the middle east believe it's possible to topple dictatorships.

Which may or may not be a bad thing.

This dummy asks for a link, but all he has to do is remember that the Lybian dictator was scared shitless after we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
He showed he was weak, and could be dominated easily

Any proof besides righy blogs?

Nuke Teams Set To Disarm Libya - CBS News

December 19, 2003
Libya Agrees to Dismantle WMD Program - General News - redOrbit

 

[uscitizen]

I keep tell y'all he is Bush III.