Obamacare Rates to Rise 13.5% in 2015. Didn't Obama Promise ACA Would Lower Costs?

[Vigilante]

 

[Old Rocks]

Here is what we know:

1. The rate of increase in health care costs has exceeded the rate of inflation for decades.

2. When they had all the power, the Republicans chose to do nothing about this problem. In fact, they added another trillion dollar government medical entitlement program to the problem.

3. For many years, the Democrats telegraphed exactly what they would do if given the chance.

4. Still, the Republicans did nothing.

5. The Democrats got the power and attempted to do exactly what they said they would do. However, due to Republican obstructionism, we got this abortion known as ObamaCare.


Because the Republicans completely abdicated on this issue, their whining and gnashing of teeth over ObamaCare is nothing more than theater for the rubes. They sold the American people down the river on health care into the hands of the Democrats.

A pox on both their houses!

Well now, let's fix it. Univeral Single Payer Health Care, paid for with an increase in income taxes, applicable to all incomes, from the bottom to the top. The other nations that have this have about 1/2 the costs per citizen, with far better outcomes than we do.

 

[Old Rocks]

And this has what to do with the subject? Other than showing your massive stupidity.

 

[g5000]

If the average North Carolinian's insurance increase is 6 percent, and 315,000 North Carolinians' rates are going up by 13.5%, that means quite a few North Carolinians are going to see a much lower increase than 6%.

LOL. Now g5000, don't rain on their 'Blame Obama Parade'. They will start crying and wet all over themselves.

Any increase still gives lie to the promises that were made about ObamaCare.

 

[Antares]

Everything that has been posted about Rates so far by ANYBODY is not telling the real story here.

They are telling us what "average" increase is over ALL of the plans and that is completely misleading.

The only numbers that matter are those that will show us not what the average increase is but what the increase is for the plans that have the most subscribers or policy holders.

Using the "average" paints a very nice picture of moderate increases......

If the average North Carolinian's insurance increase is 6 percent, and 315,000 North Carolinians' rates are going up by 13.5%, that means quite a few North Carolinians are going to see an increase (if any) that is much lower than 6%.

(sigh) You are assuming that ALL the plans have roughly the same number of people in them, they do not.

So if you figure the average using plans with just a few members with those that have MANY you LOWER the average.

The larger increases involve the most inhabited plans.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Didn't Obama Promise ACA Would Lower Costs?"

The ACA is lowering costs:

'Updating estimates issued in February, the non-partisan CBO said the cost to the federal government for the insurance provisions is $5 billion less than thought earlier this year. From 2015 through 2024, the provisions should prove $104 billion less costly. That’s 7 percent below earlier projections.

The new projections and other provisions of the ACA on net “are expected to reduce budget deficits,” the CBO said, repeating an earlier prediction that the act, shorthanded as Obamacare, will result in deficits being lower than they would be in the absence of the landmark legislation.'

National news from McClatchy DC News Washington DC

 

[Roadrunner]

Here is what we know:

1. The rate of increase in health care costs has exceeded the rate of inflation for decades.

2. When they had all the power, the Republicans chose to do nothing about this problem. In fact, they added another trillion dollar government medical entitlement program to the problem.

3. For many years, the Democrats telegraphed exactly what they would do if given the chance.

4. Still, the Republicans did nothing.

5. The Democrats got the power and attempted to do exactly what they said they would do. However, due to Republican obstructionism, we got this abortion known as ObamaCare.


Because the Republicans completely abdicated on this issue, their whining and gnashing of teeth over ObamaCare is nothing more than theater for the rubes. They sold the American people down the river on health care into the hands of the Democrats.

A pox on both their houses!

Well now, let's fix it. Univeral Single Payer Health Care, paid for with an increase in income taxes, applicable to all incomes, from the bottom to the top. The other nations that have this have about 1/2 the costs per citizen, with far better outcomes than we do.

These other nations, do they have a distinct 13% of their populations that account for half the crime, half the abortions, and half the STDs?

 

[g5000]

Well now, let's fix it. Univeral Single Payer Health Care, paid for with an increase in income taxes, applicable to all incomes, from the bottom to the top. The other nations that have this have about 1/2 the costs per citizen, with far better outcomes than we do.

I have frequently said that ObamaCare will prove to be such a clusterfuck that the people will cry out for single payer.

I do not see this outcome as a good thing.

But I blame the Republicans for this result as much as I blame the Democrats. After all, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Which is exactly what the Republicans did about the health care problem in America: NOTHING.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Maybe you can get Obama to release the rates nationally before the election?

You think Obama is in charge of rates?

Yes he has control of that

Actually, he doesn't. Rate increases are controlled at the state level.

Thank you for playing.

Your pride is your worst enemy g.

"Because of the law, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), along with states, is working to hold insurance companies accountable by requiring them to document, submit for review, and publicly justify rate increases of 10 percent or more.Additionally, the Affordable Care Act continues to provide states with rate review grants to enhance state efforts to review proposed increases in health insurance rates and make information and decisions about rate increases available to the public."

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Rate Review Annual Report - September 2013

Maybe you can get Obama to release the rates nationally before the election?

You think Obama is in charge of rates?

Yes he has control of that

Actually, he doesn't. Rate increases are controlled at the state level.

Thank you for playing.

Your pride is your worst enemy g.

"Because of the law, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), along with states, is working to hold insurance companies accountable by requiring them to document, submit for review, and publicly justify rate increases of 10 percent or more.Additionally, the Affordable Care Act continues to provide states with rate review grants to enhance state efforts to review proposed increases in health insurance rates and make information and decisions about rate increases available to the public."

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Rate Review Annual Report - September 2013

As it plainly states, the HHS (not Obama as bigreb believes) only gets involved when rate increases exceed 10 percent.

obama is the boss of the one who is in charge of the department of health and human services. Which is the department that over sees the rate incrase

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Well now, let's fix it. Univeral Single Payer Health Care, paid for with an increase in income taxes, applicable to all incomes, from the bottom to the top. The other nations that have this have about 1/2 the costs per citizen, with far better outcomes than we do.

I have frequently said that ObamaCare will prove to be such a clusterfuck that the people will cry out for single payer.

I do not see this outcome as a good thing.

But I blame the Republicans for this result as much as I blame the Democrats. After all, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Which is exactly what the Republicans did about the health care problem in America: NOTHING.

Republicans had nothing to do with this fuck up, it was fucked up before the ink dried on the vote count. Hell it was fucked up when the democrats push the shit.

 

[Vigilante]

And this has what to do with the subject? Other than showing your massive stupidity.

Perhaps this one will get you to see the light...or not!

 

[g5000]

These other nations, do they have a distinct 13% of their populations that account for half the crime, half the abortions, and half the STDs?

Oh, boy. Here we go.

 

[g5000]

Republicans had nothing to do with this fuck up

That is my point. When they had all the power, the Republicans decided to do nothing about the problem, thus completely abdicating the health care problem to the Democrats when the baton was passed.

Republican inaction on the matter directly contributed to this fuck up.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Waiting until the Democrats took power and heaved ObamaCare on us (and then only to whine about it) was too little, too late.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Republicans had nothing to do with this fuck up

That is my point. When they had all the power, the Republicans decided to do nothing about the problem, thus completely abdicating the health care problem to the Democrats when the baton was passed.

When in the hell did the Republicans have any power when the democrats were pushing obamacare? What in the hell are you smoking?

 

[JakeStarkey]

One plan in one state, so read the fine print, "As an example, the insurer said a 45-year-old nonsmoking man in the Raleigh area who didn't receive subsidies would see his monthly premium rise by about $57 to $421.32 per month on a typical individual ACA silver plan. Most customers, however, receive the subsidies."

 

[bigrebnc1775]

One plan in one state, so read the fine print, "As an example, the insurer said a 45-year-old nonsmoking man in the Raleigh area who didn't receive subsidies would see his monthly premium rise by about $57 to $421.32 per month on a typical individual ACA silver plan. Most customers, however, receive the subsidies."

Paid for by tax payers

 

[g5000]

Even now, at this very late date, the Republicans have no comprehensive health care reform on the table.

Repeal Obamacare...AND THEN WHAT!?!?

 

[Old Rocks]

And then, when this was in the Dems ballcourt, they could have made positive suggestions that would have reduced confusion. Instead, they did the neener-neener routine. And have done the same since.

 

[g5000]

Republicans had nothing to do with this fuck up

That is my point. When they had all the power, the Republicans decided to do nothing about the problem, thus completely abdicating the health care problem to the Democrats when the baton was passed.

When in the hell did the Republicans have any power when the democrats were pushing obamacare? What in the hell are you smoking?

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

The rising health care cost problem has been with us for decades. Are you telling me you cannot remember when Republicans had all the power during that period? Seriously?

Republican President. Republican House. Republican Senate. Conservative court. You could not ask for a more advantageous position to be in to solve problems.

Yet what did they do about the rising cost of health care outpacing inflation?

NOTHING!!!