Obamacare Kicking In (And The People Like It So Far!!)

[Soggy in NOLA]

What's that old saying, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is." Wait till the bill comes in for all of the freebies.

But that's the thing - It doesn't 'sound too good to be true.' It 'sounds like' sensible regulatory reform - Because that's really all it is; Nothing less, nothing more - Sensible, politically moderate regulatory reform.

I constantly hear cons talking about how people love the freebies. What freebies do you think there are? I think the eligibility criteria for Medicaid was slightly relaxed, but besides that?

Judging from the responses, I often wonder if half you really understand what "Obamacare" is, or if you just hate it because you've heard a strong message that you're 'supposed' to hate it.

Uhm, fining me when I file my tax return if I don't <gasp> purchase something is regulatory reform?

 

[Cuyo]

What's that old saying, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is." Wait till the bill comes in for all of the freebies.

But that's the thing - It doesn't 'sound too good to be true.' It 'sounds like' sensible regulatory reform - Because that's really all it is; Nothing less, nothing more - Sensible, politically moderate regulatory reform.

I constantly hear cons talking about how people love the freebies. What freebies do you think there are? I think the eligibility criteria for Medicaid was slightly relaxed, but besides that?

Judging from the responses, I often wonder if half you really understand what "Obamacare" is, or if you just hate it because you've heard a strong message that you're 'supposed' to hate it.

Uhm, fining me when I file my tax return if I don't <gasp> purchase something is regulatory reform?

That's the mandate, which is of course unpopular. But it's not designed to be popular. It's designed to stop paying customers from subsidizing non-paying customers.

It doesn't address my question about what you peeps think all the freebies are?

And what the hell do you care? Do you not already have insurance?

 

[Listening]

Wait till the rest of Obamacare kicks in.

Wait till those with insurance see what its going to cost them to cover all those without.

Wonder if Goosey will be so high on Obamacare then.

Guess what? WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR THOSE W/O HEALTH CARE.

If someone who can afford HC chooses not to buy a policy goes to the ER the hospital is REQUIRED to treat them. And what happens? They can sue to get back a little of the costs but you and I will have to pay the rest of his or her bill.

By requiring one to purchase HC coverage he or she will have to the personal responsibility (remember those words?) to shoulder their fair share of the costs.

What do you have against requiring personal responsibility? I thought conservatives believed in that.

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Please stay with the subject.

As near as I can tell, your OP is being shredded for not being square with the information in your link.

 

[Stephanie]

What young punk wouldn't like to get something for nothing?

You might as well say :

Survey Shows People Like To Get Free Shit

So as a 22 year old college student and you are barely making it financially, you should not take advantage of getting medical insurance on your parents plan....man up and stop getting "free" shit you socialist loving commie.

You sir are an idiot. An idiot or a hack. Your choice.

wow, first at 21 they want to be AN ADULT, then at 26 they still want to suck off their parents money tits. GO FIGURE

It is YOU who is a hysterical raving idiot. sorry

A parent can do all this TODAY without ObamaCare. sheesh

 

[Maple]

Survey: Significant drop in uninsured young adults

The number of young adults without health insurance has dropped significantly, a new survey finds, thanks to a provision of President Barack Obama's health care law allowing them to stay on their parents' plans.

The new Gallup poll findings translate to about 1 million more young adults with health insurance.

.....coverage for young adults has proven to be a popular and relatively low-cost benefit that families were eager to sign up for in these days of prolonged school-to-work transitions.

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It's coming to a screeching halt in Nov of 2012 when we kick the liberals to the curb and into an unemployment line. Did you happen to notice the 2010 congressional landslide to the GOP, did you also happen to miss the Republican pick-up in a congressional district that has not been Republican since 1923.. You libs have shown your true colors, the country is on to you and the majority want none of it. You are toast, it's too bad your light has not turned on yet, but it will in a short 14 months.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Three years ago my neighbor's son was a healthy young 22 year old with no need for health insurance, at least not until he slipped on a roof and suffered a brain injury and was paralyzed. His parents declared bankruptcy last year. Now you and I are paying his Medical bills thru Medicaid and will the rest of his life because he was a young healthy 22 year old with no need for health insurance.

With obamacare you will still be paying for his care so whats the difference?

Under Obamacare, he would have been required to carry insurance.

You're still going to pay for it period. After all isn't that what obamacare was for in the first place to pay for those who are uninsured?

 

[Cuyo]

With obamacare you will still be paying for his care so whats the difference?

Under Obamacare, he would have been required to carry insurance.

You're still going to pay for it period. After all isn't that what obamacare was for in the first place to pay for those who are uninsured?

1. No Reb. If the guy has insurance, you're not going to pay for it period.

2. No Reb. 'Obamacare' was to reduce the number of uninsured and curb industry abuse.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

My argument was made in countless posts throughout this thread. I noticed you didn't reply to any of those posts.

No you lost tat argument when you posted this

Sure the government is wildly inefficient, but I'd take that over a company who is setup to make a profit and the expense of peoples health.

holy shit idiot pull your fucking head out of obama's ass for a second to comprehend what you posted. You know the government is a fuck up but yet you still think they should be in charge of your healthcare? Just as long as those "EVIL" profiteers don't have anything to do with you.
WAKE THE FUCK UP

Yup. Thanks for rephrasing what I said. Gold star for you.

What I quoted is exactly what you wrote. I did not make any changes to your comment.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

My argument was made in countless posts throughout this thread. I noticed you didn't reply to any of those posts.

No you lost tat argument when you posted this

Sure the government is wildly inefficient, but I'd take that over a company who is setup to make a profit and the expense of peoples health.

holy shit idiot pull your fucking head out of obama's ass for a second to comprehend what you posted. You know the government is a fuck up but yet you still think they should be in charge of your healthcare? Just as long as those "EVIL" profiteers don't have anything to do with you.
WAKE THE FUCK UP

I've never heard of Medicare saying that they won't pay for a needed operation. Or refuse someone due to a pre-existing condition. Or kick some out because they suddenly developed a serious disease. Or skyrocket someone's premiums. Or put a limit someone's nursing home care due to inability to pay.

You're childlike trust and belief that insurance companies only look out for your best interests and really care about you is frightening.

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Even though the mother denied the child the operation medicare would not cover it.

But Zayna said a Columbus, Ohio, hospital can perform the surgery without any chance of a transfusion. The only problem is that Georgia’s Medicare program won't pay for it.

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Now you were saying?

 

[francoHFW]

Putting them on medicaid is cheaper than ER care, not to mention the 45k dead and the 750k bankruptcies...you people are brainwashed...control the people? LOL!! IDIOT!!!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Putting them on medicaid is cheaper than ER care, not to mention the 45k dead and the 750k bankruptcies...you people are brainwashed...control the people? LOL!! IDIOT!!!

you really haven't gotten a clue. people who are on medicare still will go to the hospital or emergency room medicare just pays for it.

 

[francoHFW]

@151- MEDICAID! They get their own doctor, preventive medicine, checkups- it's cheaper than ER care, and low cost clinics are part of the deal- Read up, learn something, and stop parroting your Pub brainwash....

 

[bigrebnc1775]

@151- MEDICAID! They get their own doctor, preventive medicine, checkups- it's cheaper than ER care, and low cost clinics are part of the deal- Read up, learn something, and stop parroting your Pub brainwash....

I would suggest yoiu do the same but I doubt you will
More Medicaid patients going to ER, study finds

More Medicaid patients going to ER, study finds - USATODAY.com

 

[francoHFW]

Medicaid under health refom will make it more attractive to DOCTORS.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Survey: Significant drop in uninsured young adults

The number of young adults without health insurance has dropped significantly, a new survey finds, thanks to a provision of President Barack Obama's health care law allowing them to stay on their parents' plans.

The new Gallup poll findings translate to about 1 million more young adults with health insurance.

.....coverage for young adults has proven to be a popular and relatively low-cost benefit that families were eager to sign up for in these days of prolonged school-to-work transitions.

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The GOP's intention to repeal the healthcare bill and kicking those million young people off their parents' policies should play real well in 2012 campaign.

I suspect we'll hear plenty of well, uh, err, um, and yeah but.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Medicaid under health refom will make it more attractive to DOCTORS.

no it want because they lose money when they accepta medicade person

 

[Claudette]

Guess what? WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR THOSE W/O HEALTH CARE.

If someone who can afford HC chooses not to buy a policy goes to the ER the hospital is REQUIRED to treat them. And what happens? They can sue to get back a little of the costs but you and I will have to pay the rest of his or her bill.

By requiring one to purchase HC coverage he or she will have to the personal responsibility (remember those words?) to shoulder their fair share of the costs.

What do you have against requiring personal responsibility? I thought conservatives believed in that.

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Your right about us having to pay.

But then we have no choice in the matter.

The Clowns in our Govt have decided that those of us that have need to take care of those that don't have not matter the reason. May work for you but it doesn't for me.

Believe me. If I had my way not one dime of my money would go to take care of anyone.

I do believe in personal responsibility which is why I take care of me and mine. Always have and always will.

So you hate our troops...fuck you anti-american scum.

LMAO you fucking idiot.

My whole family until this last generation was in the military. Those folks earn and deserve everything and more that this country can give them.

My sentiments apply to the freeloaders out there. Those that expect someone else to foot the bills for their responsibilities.

I believe you fall into that category. Fuck off idiot.

 

[DaGoose]

Your right about us having to pay.

But then we have no choice in the matter.

The Clowns in our Govt have decided that those of us that have need to take care of those that don't have not matter the reason. May work for you but it doesn't for me.

Believe me. If I had my way not one dime of my money would go to take care of anyone.

I do believe in personal responsibility which is why I take care of me and mine. Always have and always will.

So you hate our troops...fuck you anti-american scum.

LMAO you fucking idiot.

My whole family until this last generation was in the military. Those folks deserve everything and more that this country can give them.

My sentiments apply to the freeloaders out there. Those that expect someone else to foot the bills for their responsibilities.

I believe you fall into that category. Fuck off idiot.

Sorry, but the GOP conservatives disagree with you............

As President Obama in August pledged to protect Veterans programs from budget cuts, the GOP in Congress and bureaucrats in the DoD are still pushing for cuts in pensions and health care for active and retired troops.

GOP demands benefits for the military be on chopping block | Veterans News Now

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[Claudette]

Seems Leon Paneta feels the same.

While I agree everything should be on the chopping block I'm more than happy to exclude retirement and pensions for the military from that list.

As stated in the article we need to stop the military adventurism and unfunded wars which would save more pentagon money than chopping retirements and pensions.

Coming from a military background I know how tough it is for our military families. Hitting their retirement and pensions ain't the way to go.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What young punk wouldn't like to get something for nothing?

You might as well say :

Survey Shows People Like To Get Free Shit

So as a 22 year old college student and you are barely making it financially, you should not take advantage of getting medical insurance on your parents plan....man up and stop getting "free" shit you socialist loving commie.

You sir are an idiot. An idiot or a hack. Your choice.

wow, first at 21 they want to be AN ADULT, then at 26 they still want to suck off their parents money tits. GO FIGURE

It is YOU who is a hysterical raving idiot. sorry

A parent can do all this TODAY without ObamaCare. sheesh

Whose insurance are your kids on?