ObamaCare Is Going To Burn The GOP To The Ground

[g5000]

Hear me out.

Our healthcare infrastructure is a Rube Goldberg hodgepodge of antiquated and slapdash pieces cadged together into a cartoonish mockery. For decades, the system has been dysfunctional and the result has been a rise in healthcare costs which has far outpaced inflation.

This is why Clinton tried to socialize medicine in the 90s, and this is why ObamaCare exists today. In between, when the GOP completely dominated all three branches of government, they did nothing about the problem. Nothing at all, except to glue on a massive and expensive new Goldbergian device (Medicare Part D) to buy the votes of seniors. I guess they were too busy doubling the national debt to bother with fixing healthcare.

When faced with a choice between the GOP's answer to the problem ("we aren't going to do fuck-all about it") and the Democratic Party's answer to the problem ("we are going let the government take it over"), the people decided time and again in the past few years that the Democrat's "something" was superior to the GOP's "nothing".

Even now, the GOP's answer is to offer nothing and to fight ObamaCare tooth and nail.

Well, here's the thing: ObamaCare offers federal subsidies for people earning less than 400 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) who buy their insurance through an exchange.

Quite a few red states are doing all they can to prevent their citizens from accessing these subsidies. This is a HUGE tactical error on their part.

When the citizens of a red state see the citizens of a neighboring state are getting actual dollars from the federal government to pay for their health insurance, and they see their own state government is keeping that cash away from their own hands, they are going to rise up in giant hordes and throw the bums out on their asses. They are going to turn all those red state legislatures into blue state legislatures.

And then those blue legislatures are going to redraw their Congressional district lines.

Here is another thing: Five years after RomneyCare was implemented in Massachusetts, 74 percent of the citizens polled said they wanted to keep RomneyCare around. A significant percentage (about half) said they wanted some changes made to it, but they did not want it repealed.

This is a very, very bad indicator for the GOP. Once ObamaCare gets off the ground, which it is in the process of doing right now, the people are going to find great favor with it, and anyone who stands in the way who has nothing else to offer is going to get steamrolled.

Ask around. Ask people what the GOP's plan for healthcare reform is. You will get nothing but shrugs. You will hear, "Repeal ObamaCare." But when you press for the GOP's plan to fix our broken system, you will get bupkis.

And that is why ObamaCare exists, and why it will succeed, and why the GOP is on the losing side.

The GOP fucked up. Big time. They were completely outgamed.

 

[g5000]

A new poll by the Harvard School of Public Health and The Boston Globe finds 63% of Massachusetts residents support the health care reform legislation enacted in 2006, 21% oppose it while 6% are not sure and 9% have not heard or read about the law. The percentage of residents supporting the law has increased since a 2009 poll (53%).[1] Support for the law varied by party affiliation, with 77% of Democrats, 60% of Independents, and 40% of Republicans saying they support the legislation. The poll was conducted May 24-26, 2011.

Despite a difficult financial environment in the state, the poll found that 74% want the law to continue, with 51% favoring continuing it with some changes and 23% continuing it as is.

Harvard School of Public Health » HSPH News » Support for Massachusetts landmark health reform law rises in 2011

 

[g5000]

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke

When in power, the GOP did nothing.

 

[Redfish]

Obamacare will burn the DNC and obama's legacy to the ground. It is terrible legislation, put in place by corrupt congressional action, and written in a sealed room by unqualified dem staffers.

It will be the nail in the coffin for democrats. Try as you may, you will not be able to ram it up the asses of americans before they find out what it really is and what it will do to them and this country.

The fact that you post a thread like this only proves that you are scared shitless of what this is doing to democrats and obama.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Didn't get past "Hear me out"

You were so high on your pedestal that the words were too small to read.

 

[Plasmaball]

Obamacare will burn the DNC and obama's legacy to the ground. It is terrible legislation, put in place by corrupt congressional action, and written in a sealed room by unqualified dem staffers.

It will be the nail in the coffin for democrats. Try as you may, you will not be able to ram it up the asses of americans before they find out what it really is and what it will do to them and this country.

The fact that you post a thread like this only proves that you are scared shitless of what this is doing to democrats and obama.

great you said nothing. You just took the op and copied what he said.
you are an ant.

 

[Redfish]

Obamacare will burn the DNC and obama's legacy to the ground. It is terrible legislation, put in place by corrupt congressional action, and written in a sealed room by unqualified dem staffers.

It will be the nail in the coffin for democrats. Try as you may, you will not be able to ram it up the asses of americans before they find out what it really is and what it will do to them and this country.

The fact that you post a thread like this only proves that you are scared shitless of what this is doing to democrats and obama.

great you said nothing. You just took the op and copied what he said.
you are an ant.

the OP gave his opinion and I gave mine. But since you seem not to have one, I guess you are the asshole here.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Redfish and Gramps, the program will have to be modified, yes, but it won't go away.

What will happen is the GOP, which is changing as we write to meet the demographic and cultural needs of the country, will purge wackos like you in the party from decision and policy making positions.

You can vote GOP all you want.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Hear me out.

Our healthcare infrastructure is a Rube Goldberg hodgepodge of antiquated and slapdash pieces cadged together into a cartoonish mockery. For decades, the system has been dysfunctional and the result has been a rise in healthcare costs which has far outpaced inflation.

This is why Clinton tried to socialize medicine in the 90s, and this is why ObamaCare exists today. In between, when the GOP completely dominated all three branches of government, they did nothing about the problem. Nothing at all, except to glue on a massive and expensive new Goldbergian device (Medicare Part D) to buy the votes of seniors. I guess they were too busy doubling the national debt to bother with fixing healthcare.

When faced with a choice between the GOP's answer to the problem ("we aren't going to do fuck-all about it") and the Democratic Party's answer to the problem ("we are going let the government take it over"), the people decided time and again in the past few years that the Democrat's "something" was superior to the GOP's "nothing".

Even now, the GOP's answer is to offer nothing and to fight ObamaCare tooth and nail.

Well, here's the thing: ObamaCare offers federal subsidies for people earning less than 400 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) who buy their insurance through an exchange.

Quite a few red states are doing all they can to prevent their citizens from accessing these subsidies. This is a HUGE tactical error on their part.

When the citizens of a red state see the citizens of a neighboring state are getting actual dollars from the federal government to pay for their health insurance, and they see their own state government is keeping that cash away from their own hands, they are going to rise up in giant hordes and throw the bums out on their asses. They are going to turn all those red state legislatures into blue state legislatures.

And then those blue legislatures are going to redraw their Congressional district lines.

Here is another thing: Five years after RomneyCare was implemented in Massachusetts, 74 percent of the citizens polled said they wanted to keep RomneyCare around. A significant percentage (about half) said they wanted some changes made to it, but they did not want it repealed.

This is a very, very bad indicator for the GOP. Once ObamaCare gets off the ground, which it is in the process of doing right now, the people are going to find great favor with it, and anyone who stands in the way who has nothing else to offer is going to get steamrolled.

Ask around. Ask people what the GOP's plan for healthcare reform is. You will get nothing but shrugs. You will hear, "Repeal ObamaCare." But when you press for the GOP's plan to fix our broken system, you will get bupkis.

And that is why ObamaCare exists, and why it will succeed, and why the GOP is on the losing side.

The GOP fucked up. Big time. They were completely outgamed.

Unfortunately the Koch brothers' money has outgamed everybody and Citizens United will insure that whoever has the most money will win.

(In Citizens United, the court held that the First Amendment permitted unlimited campaign-related spending by corporations and labor unions, and not just individuals. The 5-member majority rejected arguments by the government and others that opening the door to a massive influx of corporate cash would lead to political corruption.)

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Didn't get past "Hear me out"

You were so high on your pedestal that the words were too small to read.

And you're so far down in a hole you can't hear anything.

 

[Plasmaball]

Obamacare will burn the DNC and obama's legacy to the ground. It is terrible legislation, put in place by corrupt congressional action, and written in a sealed room by unqualified dem staffers.

It will be the nail in the coffin for democrats. Try as you may, you will not be able to ram it up the asses of americans before they find out what it really is and what it will do to them and this country.

The fact that you post a thread like this only proves that you are scared shitless of what this is doing to democrats and obama.

great you said nothing. You just took the op and copied what he said.
you are an ant.

the OP gave his opinion and I gave mine. But since you seem not to have one, I guess you are the asshole here.

shrug....you have nothing, got it.

 

[g5000]

Obamacare will burn the DNC and obama's legacy to the ground. It is terrible legislation, put in place by corrupt congressional action, and written in a sealed room by unqualified dem staffers.

It will be the nail in the coffin for democrats. Try as you may, you will not be able to ram it up the asses of americans before they find out what it really is and what it will do to them and this country.

The fact that you post a thread like this only proves that you are scared shitless of what this is doing to democrats and obama.

I again point to the 74 percent of citizens of Massachusetts who do not want RomneyCare repealed. You are living in a delusion if you believe ObamaCare will destroy the Democrats.

Believe me, I am well aware of just how astronomically expensive ObamaCare is going to be. I am well aware it will require state and federal taxes to be increased to pay for it. It is simple math. Since someone earning well above the national average income is able to receive a subsidy, then this will clearly require a minority to carry the majority.

RomneyCare has also proven to be extremely expensive for MA. Nevertheless, a 74 percent "keep it" rating stands. That is well beyond a super-majority.

You can't fight the truth. That is precisely why the GOP is losing; wishful thinking instead of facing the realities on the ground. It is far past time to wake up to those realities. Instead of poking holes in strawmen and high fiving each other like idiots, it is time to put real, workable solutions on the table and to get that message out far and wide.

I (with Edmund Burke) blame the GOP for ObamaCare more than I blame Obama for it.

 

[Sarah G]

Obamacare has been proving to be the undoing of the Republican party, anyway.

 

[Mac1958]

The GOP fucked up. Big time. They were completely outgamed.

Yeah.

This whole mess has been an extension of the alternative universe the hard right created for itself in 2012, when they actually convinced themselves that all of the national polling experts were wrong and conservative talk radio was right. They all listened to Rush and Sean and Mark and created a bubble the likes of which I've never seen.

It's deja-fucking-vu. Here we are again. Here's how it has gone this time:

1. Led by conservative talk radio, the GOP completely missed the fact that the Dems had succeeded in making health care a national issue. So, while they were ignoring the whole thing, the Dems were busy putting together the massive pig known as the ACA.

2. Led by conservative talk radio, the GOP decided that they didn't need an alternative plan, all they needed to do was stop this one from becoming law. Of course, the Dems were able to push the pig through the slot with just enough Democrat votes. Worse, holy shit, the plan looks just like one put in place by a GOP governor. Who then ran against it for President. You really can't make this shit up.

3. Supported by conservative talk radio, the GOP has once again created an alternate universe in which it is ignoring all the polls that are blaming them for the shutdown and they actually believe they have the advantage here. I actually heard Limbaugh say earlier this week that the Dems are -- wait for it -- imploding.

The Republicans will say they have offered alternatives, but in the hundreds of teevee interviews I've seen them do, I've not once seen them refer to it by name. Not once. In this alternate universe, they have decided that this would be too much work.

Yup, they fucked this one up, and they're fucking up again by trying to put it back in the box after the fact.

.

 

[driveby]

Well, Obamacare is off to a flying start, they took 3 years and spent 600 million on a website that doesn't work.....

 

[Redfish]

Redfish and Gramps, the program will have to be modified, yes, but it won't go away.

What will happen is the GOP, which is changing as we write to meet the demographic and cultural needs of the country, will purge wackos like you in the party from decision and policy making positions.

You can vote GOP all you want.

Modification is all that reasonable people are asking for. Get rid of crap like real estate taxes, taxes on medical devices, and fines on young people who choose not to buy insurance. Then add some tort reform, interstate insurance competition, make it voluntary not mandatory, and a few other needed changes.

the real objection here is not trying to fix healthcare-----the problem is having it rammed down our throats by one party with no open debate or discussion.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Didn't get past "Hear me out"

You were so high on your pedestal that the words were too small to read.

And you're so far down in a hole you can't hear anything.

 

[g5000]

Well, Obamacare is off to a flying start, they took 3 years and spent 600 million on a website that doesn't work.....

That speaks to the raging demand for it.

Due to GOP stonewalling, 36 states are forced to use the federal exchange web site instead of having state exchanges to go to.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Redfish and Gramps, the program will have to be modified, yes, but it won't go away.

What will happen is the GOP, which is changing as we write to meet the demographic and cultural needs of the country, will purge wackos like you in the party from decision and policy making positions.

You can vote GOP all you want.

Modification is all that reasonable people are asking for. Get rid of crap like real estate taxes, taxes on medical devices, and fines on young people who choose not to buy insurance. Then add some tort reform, interstate insurance competition, make it voluntary not mandatory, and a few other needed changes.

the real objection here is not trying to fix healthcare-----the problem is having it rammed down our throats by one party with no open debate or discussion.

Not at all. The real game here is make you understand that it is the law of the land, and that will only change once Boehner gives an up and down vote on the Senate CR.

Then, when we get majorities again, we can modify.

But to defund: not going to happen.

 

[Plasmaball]

This is what happens when your party is talking points and nothing else.