Obama Wins Debate Factchecking

[ducks102]

obama was soft and told the truth

romney was telling lies but had heart

 

[Avatar4321]

Yup, that's what Obama does best -- losing despite having all facts on his side.

No. he just loses. Facts arent on his side either

 

[The Rabbi]

Fact checkers will hammer Romney's distortions and lies.

End the end, this is what matter the most. Not the one most likely to kick the shit around. and that's all Romney did last night. Kick the shit around as usual.

First honest thing you've said on this board, that Obama is shit.

 

[Ernie S.]

It's interesting that even MSNBC is using phrases like "got his clock cleaned" referring to obama's performance.

 

[The Rabbi]

obama was soft and told the truth

romney was telling lies but had heart

I heard about 45 seconds and Obama lied in that time. Romney said he would have embraced Simpson Bowles and Obama said he did. That is a lie. Obama abandoned SB as soon as he could.

 

[Sallow]

They are claiming that Obama fulfilled his promise to cut the deficit in half and expect us to believe they are being honest?

Well there is a problem with that.

The numbers that came out of the Bush administration were wrong...and by alot.

The cost of the wars were far greater then Bush let on..as was the depth of the economic crisis..as evidenced by jobs losses before the stimulus was implemented.

Based on the numbers the Obama administration were given by the Bush administration, they were being accurate.

Unfortunately..the numbers they got were inaccurate.

 

[Sallow]

obama was soft and told the truth

romney was telling lies but had heart

I heard about 45 seconds and Obama lied in that time. Romney said he would have embraced Simpson Bowles and Obama said he did. That is a lie. Obama abandoned SB as soon as he could.

No it's not.

They used Simpson Bowles as a template.

Check out the "Fiscal Cliff". That's pretty much Simpson Bowles "lite".

And everyone is calling it a "Cliff".

 

[DiamondDave]

They are claiming that Obama fulfilled his promise to cut the deficit in half and expect us to believe they are being honest?

Well there is a problem with that.

The numbers that came out of the Bush administration were wrong...and by alot.

The cost of the wars were far greater then Bush let on..as was the depth of the economic crisis..as evidenced by jobs losses before the stimulus was implemented.

Based on the numbers the Obama administration were given by the Bush administration, they were being accurate.

Unfortunately..the numbers they got were inaccurate.

Um... no.. the 'wars' were paid for with borrowed money.. and that is on the books.. it is not something that is making Obama not fulfill his promise.. it is Obamalama's spending and increased government that is increasing the deficit each and every year to levels never before seen

 

[Katzndogz]

If Romney cuts taxes by 20%, cuts spending by 30% and creates 12 million jobs, or however many he's claiming, would that not increase revenue?

I'm asking this question because I don't know and wondering if anyone does.

Here is the first problem; just like Obama isn't the one creating the jobs, Mitt isn't going to create 12 million jobs because he's not doing the hiring. He tells us that by cutting taxes, employers will then hire more people. What he doesn't state is the fact that American businesses are already sitting on top of $2 trillion to $3 trillion due to our screwy tax system and even with all that excess cash they aren't hiring. What makes anyone think that letting them keep even more money that they will all of a sudden start hiring.

There is a perception that American businesses are hurting, but their profits tell a completely different story. The bottom line is this; we can cut taxes even more, but the end result will just be less revenue to the government and the wealthy will continue to hold on to even more profits.

Companies are sitting on piles of cash. Why aren't they hiring? Democrats SAY that it's because companies just like sitting on piles of cash. The reality is, the economy is too unstable to put that cash to any use. It's not just companies sitting on cash. Interest rates are rock bottom, the government is pumping in 40 billion dollars a month to flood companies not with their own money, but borrowed money and these companies are not only continuing to sit on their money but won't even borrow money. The economy is too unstable to even borrow.

There is no way to raise taxes to get out of this kind of instability that has resulted in economic paralysis. If the total amount of assets from the rich were confiscated and given to the government, it would support the government for less than three months. Romney correctly understands that stability needs to be restored, confidence needs to be restored, spending must be cut and we can increase revenue by growth. More people working and paying taxes instead of more people shifting from working to welfare.

 

[Sallow]

It's interesting that even MSNBC is using phrases like "got his clock cleaned" referring to obama's performance.

Well yeah.

Romney lied like crazy..was rude..rolled the Moderator and Obama did almost nothing about it.

The choices were pretty bad. A. Call him on it..and wind up looking like a bully. B. Keep cool and play by the rules.

B. Lost on style but won on substance.

 

[Leweman]

Lost on style and substance. Ouch

 

[Sallow]

If Romney cuts taxes by 20%, cuts spending by 30% and creates 12 million jobs, or however many he's claiming, would that not increase revenue?

I'm asking this question because I don't know and wondering if anyone does.

Here is the first problem; just like Obama isn't the one creating the jobs, Mitt isn't going to create 12 million jobs because he's not doing the hiring. He tells us that by cutting taxes, employers will then hire more people. What he doesn't state is the fact that American businesses are already sitting on top of $2 trillion to $3 trillion due to our screwy tax system and even with all that excess cash they aren't hiring. What makes anyone think that letting them keep even more money that they will all of a sudden start hiring.

There is a perception that American businesses are hurting, but their profits tell a completely different story. The bottom line is this; we can cut taxes even more, but the end result will just be less revenue to the government and the wealthy will continue to hold on to even more profits.

Companies are sitting on piles of cash. Why aren't they hiring? Democrats SAY that it's because companies just like sitting on piles of cash. The reality is, the economy is too unstable to put that cash to any use. It's not just companies sitting on cash. Interest rates are rock bottom, the government is pumping in 40 billion dollars a month to flood companies not with their own money, but borrowed money and these companies are not only continuing to sit on their money but won't even borrow money. The economy is too unstable to even borrow.

There is no way to raise taxes to get out of this kind of instability that has resulted in economic paralysis. If the total amount of assets from the rich were confiscated and given to the government, it would support the government for less than three months. Romney correctly understands that stability needs to be restored, confidence needs to be restored, spending must be cut and we can increase revenue by growth. More people working and paying taxes instead of more people shifting from working to welfare.

Oh bullshit.

What they want is to decimate regulations.

They almost completely won during the economic meltdown, where they got to fleece the middle class..twice. Once by emptying retirement accounts and secondly with TARP. But they had some pesky but weak regulations to deal with. Dodd/Frank. That was as majority of the debate last night.

And they want that gone.

By the way..they aren't going to be spending that money here..either way. Unless it's for huge bonuses.

 

[Sallow]

Lost on style and substance. Ouch

How do you figure?

Romney lies were fast and furious.

He's not going to cut taxes? Really? Why? Because he's calling them "Rate Reductions"? What the fuck. That's tax cuts. And it doesn't stop there. He wants to get rid of Capital Gains taxes. He didn't mention ANY loopholes that he wants to cut. In FACT he defended one. The tax cut for oil companies.

He said he wants to bring RomneyCare to the federal government..then..turned on a dime and said he wants to let states decide. Really? He contradicted himself on stage.

Another huge contradiction was Dodd/Frank. Romney says regulations are needed but then wants to get rid of Dodd/Frank. What the fuck?

Obama's "style" was the let these big huge lies roll out with out challenging them. Which is why he "lost" on style. Most people wanted a fight.

 

[Avatar4321]

obama was soft and told the truth

romney was telling lies but had heart

Except he wasnt telling the truth.

 

[NYcarbineer]

obama was soft and told the truth

romney was telling lies but had heart

I heard about 45 seconds and Obama lied in that time. Romney said he would have embraced Simpson Bowles and Obama said he did. That is a lie. Obama abandoned SB as soon as he could.

Romney said he would have embraced Simpson Bowles. Simpson Bowles had tax increases in it.

So was Romney lying when he said he'd support it, or when he said he wouldn't raise taxes?

 

[The Rabbi]

obama was soft and told the truth

romney was telling lies but had heart

I heard about 45 seconds and Obama lied in that time. Romney said he would have embraced Simpson Bowles and Obama said he did. That is a lie. Obama abandoned SB as soon as he could.

Romney said he would have embraced Simpson Bowles. Simpson Bowles had tax increases in it.

So was Romney lying when he said he'd support it, or when he said he wouldn't raise taxes?

You're an idiot is the truth.
Romney, when asked, said he didnt support SB because he had his own plan. But if he were Obama he would have supported it.
Is that too complicated for your 3rd grade education to understand?

 

[KissMy]

October 03, 2012

"If Small Businesses Are Bummed....
Why Are They Hiring?"

"Robust hiring by businesses with fewer than 500 employees belies the picture of Main Street paralyzed by uncertainty and weak demand."​

US unemployment aid applications rise to 367K

 

[Intense]

Fact checkers will hammer Romney's distortions and lies.

How is putting more people to work, paying Income Taxes, a lie?

 

[Katzndogz]

When Romney didn't say what democrats have been claiming he said for months, but never having actually said anything attributed to him, democrats say he lied.

Last night I heard a democrat spokesman say it. "Romney flip flopped from what we said he meant."

That's why Romney used "That's not accurate" so many times.

 

[Intense]

When Romney didn't say what democrats have been claiming he said for months, but never having actually said anything attributed to him, democrats say he lied.

Last night I heard a democrat spokesman say it. "Romney flip flopped from what we said he meant."

That's why Romney used "That's not accurate" so many times.

Without of out of context spin, they are low on ammo. Even the News Groupies, and the Fact Check Groupies can't put Humpty together again.