Obama Walks Us Towards Socialism/Communism

[francoHFW]

Nothing leads to communism but violent revolution. An EXTREME form of socialism, easily confused with those simplistic definitions, for simpletons only.

 

[Publius1787]

Nothing leads to communism but violent revolution. An EXTREME form of socialism, easily confused with those simplistic definitions, for simpletons only.

Which is where the phrase "Workers of the World Unite" comes in. Karl Marx said that Socialism is the path to communism and the vehicle is labor.

 

[Meathead]

Nothing leads to communism but violent revolution. An EXTREME form of socialism, easily confused with those simplistic definitions, for simpletons only.

Violent revolution leads to socialism, at least in a few years since communism is obviously unsustainable.

 

[FJO]

Here we go again, another thread about communism/socialism but it seems all these thread starters have no clue what communism/socialism really are.

So for at least the 5th time:

Definition of SOCIALISM

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Definition of COMMUNISM

1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property
b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
Communism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

OK, above are the definitions of both communism and socialism. Now please tell all of us what exactly Obama has done in factual terms that meet the definitions.

Jon Huntsman recently nailed the far right nutters right on the head. He said "We can't be known as a party that's fear-based". Fear-based, that's what all this communism/socialism hysteria is really all about.
Obama has been president for four years and yet the US is still the least socialistic/communist country in the world. Nothing has changed.

Wealth distribution - one of Obama's highest priority - is the first step towards wealth confiscation. Hell, with the Death tax he is already accomplished half of his dreams of wealth confiscation.

When one can not have ALL what he earned after paying his taxes, it is socialism as Obama advocates it. This leads to elimination of private property, which is what Obama dreams about. Except his own, of course.

Obama fully endorses, sucks off, and thrives on donations by unions that crave to run companies owned and EARNED by people union thugs can only envy.

All of which leads to elimination of private property. There was no private property in the Soviet Union there is no private property in North Korea or Cuba, and those are the places Obama holds in highest regard.

Obama favors stealing wealth from those who EARNED it to "redistribute" it to people who made absolutely no effort to earn it but want it, and claim to "need" it.

That is COMMUNIST, by your own definition, above.

Jon Huntsman was wrong in one respect. The Party who is fear based is the Democratic Party. They fear that people whom they managed to misguide, WILL find their brains, their courage and their integrity and kick their sorry asses to oblivion.

 

[bobcollum]

Further proof that you have zero understanding of who these people are. Many of them serve in his admin today. Of course, the final sentence of the list of names is still in play for those of you who failed to read it. Shall I make a more complete list with times dates and annotation? It would take me some time but I will be happy to do it.

You didn't answer my question.

He has zero history of any acquaintances with more of a capitalist background?

No other president in the history of the us has had the amount of communist/socialist influences than he.

If Obama ran 20, 30, 40 etc... years ago, exactly as he has today, he would be laughed off the stage. Are there really solid records kept about previous potus involving this?

Capitalist associations? I am sure.

Well good, I'm just going to lay out a list of those people, and make the opposite claim to your initial posts.

But look how he treats the Chamber of Commerce and then look how he treats the Unions. Unions are the path to socialism, every socialist organizer will tell you that. Thats why it was important for Obama to make an illegal recess appointment to the NLRB while congress was still in session. However, the best indicator of all is his non confirmed appointees who need not go through congress. In Obama's perfect world, those people would run the country.

Just try to remember that this isn't his perfect world.

Which pundit has you so worked up about this topic? They're doing a good job.

 

[Publius1787]

You didn't answer my question.

He has zero history of any acquaintances with more of a capitalist background?

No other president in the history of the us has had the amount of communist/socialist influences than he.

If Obama ran 20, 30, 40 etc... years ago, exactly as he has today, he would be laughed off the stage. Are there really solid records kept about previous potus involving this?

Capitalist associations? I am sure.

Well good, I'm just going to lay out a list of those people, and make the opposite claim to your initial posts.

But look how he treats the Chamber of Commerce and then look how he treats the Unions. Unions are the path to socialism, every socialist organizer will tell you that. Thats why it was important for Obama to make an illegal recess appointment to the NLRB while congress was still in session. However, the best indicator of all is his non confirmed appointees who need not go through congress. In Obama's perfect world, those people would run the country.

Just try to remember that this isn't his perfect world.

Which pundit has you so worked up about this topic? They're doing a good job.

Why should I make an opposite claim? What you’re asking is for me to do your work for you. That’s not going to happen. Naturally, a more leftist government moves closer to socialism, and thus, is not a great indicator of how socialist our president is. We can only make such an assessment based upon past actions/affiliates. Looking at non confirmed appointees shows us where he would take the country in his perfect world. That is the best indicator.

But then again, there is little difference between socialists and Democrats. Either path leads to the same end state.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Isn't it great when marginally intelligent people set to debating. We get lists of names and interesting questions about Olympic medals. Cool.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Lordy, lordy, lordy. Our Fascists and Randians are out in force today.

I love it when people post for no other reason than to make themselves feel good about their political ideology. The implications are many.

That "political ideology" of which you speak is known generally as rationalism. What many "implications" do you mean?

 

[bobcollum]

No other president in the history of the us has had the amount of communist/socialist influences than he.

If Obama ran 20, 30, 40 etc... years ago, exactly as he has today, he would be laughed off the stage. Are there really solid records kept about previous potus involving this?



Well good, I'm just going to lay out a list of those people, and make the opposite claim to your initial posts.

But look how he treats the Chamber of Commerce and then look how he treats the Unions. Unions are the path to socialism, every socialist organizer will tell you that. Thats why it was important for Obama to make an illegal recess appointment to the NLRB while congress was still in session. However, the best indicator of all is his non confirmed appointees who need not go through congress. In Obama's perfect world, those people would run the country.

Just try to remember that this isn't his perfect world.

Which pundit has you so worked up about this topic? They're doing a good job.

Why should I make an opposit claim? What your asking is for me to do your work for you. Thats not going to happen. Naturally, a more leftist government moves closer to socialism, and thus, is not a great indicator of how socialist our president is. We can only make such an assessment based upon past actions/affiliates. Looking at non confirmed appointees shows us where he would take the country in his perfect world. That is the best indicator.

But then again, there is little difference between socialists and Democrats. Either path leads to the same end state.

You must have read that too fast. It's clearly stated that I would make the opposite claim, but it was all more sarcastic than anything.

I get it, I know you're terrified of Socialism.

 

[FJO]

Nothing leads to communism but violent revolution. An EXTREME form of socialism, easily confused with those simplistic definitions, for simpletons only.

REALLY???

How about being on the loser's side in war? Example: Hungary.
How about simply being a small country? Example: Latvia, Estonia or Lithuania?
How about being sold out by your "leaders"? Example: Those above and Romania.
How about being left alone by somebody bigger and stronger?? Example: North Korea.
How about a despicable thug grabbing power? Example: Venezuela.
How about winning a war? Example: Viet Nam.

Before you pecked out the word "simpleton", have you looked in the mirror?

 

[Katzndogz]

obama isn't walking. He's moving along at a fast trot.

 

[Publius1787]

Lordy, lordy, lordy. Our Fascists and Randians are out in force today.

I love it when people post for no other reason than to make themselves feel good about their political ideology. The implications are many.

That "political ideology" of which you speak is known generally as rationalism. What many "implications" do you mean?

Rationalism? Is that grounded in the priciple of self ownership? If not your a leftist and slavery is a viable option which is not rational. As to your question, hit and run posters who contribute nothing than a contradiction as opposed to an argument are mentally ill and need to see a doctor.

 

[LibertyLemming]

Well he did convince enough people to reelect him after murdering literally thousands of innocent people overseas so I guess you get what you morons deserve

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Conservatives and others on the right seem comfortable exhibiting their ignorance as to what ‘communism’ and ‘socialism’ actually are, otherwise they’d associate Obama with neither.

 

[Publius1787]

If Obama ran 20, 30, 40 etc... years ago, exactly as he has today, he would be laughed off the stage. Are there really solid records kept about previous potus involving this?



Well good, I'm just going to lay out a list of those people, and make the opposite claim to your initial posts.



Just try to remember that this isn't his perfect world.

Which pundit has you so worked up about this topic? They're doing a good job.

Why should I make an opposit claim? What your asking is for me to do your work for you. Thats not going to happen. Naturally, a more leftist government moves closer to socialism, and thus, is not a great indicator of how socialist our president is. We can only make such an assessment based upon past actions/affiliates. Looking at non confirmed appointees shows us where he would take the country in his perfect world. That is the best indicator.

But then again, there is little difference between socialists and Democrats. Either path leads to the same end state.

You must have read that too fast. It's clearly stated that I would make the opposite claim, but it was all more sarcastic than anything.

I get it, I know you're terrified of Socialism.

Your final statement implies that socialism is either a good thing or that I am looking under my bed for reds. Nevertheless, there are two main Political ideologies. One is grounded in the principle of self-ownership and the other is grounded in the principle of the mob. If you are a leftist, you believe in the mob and slavery is a natural viability. It’s that simple. Because any one who advocates for any government function that is not performed in a manner that preserves the right of self-ownership by default chooses socialism over capitalism. Today, how far right or how far left you are depends on how much you’re willing to defend or not defend the right of self-ownership.

 

[Stephanie]

Conservatives and others on the right seem comfortable exhibiting their ignorance as to what ‘communism’ and ‘socialism’ actually are, otherwise they’d associate Obama with neither.

that's right, nobody knows what they mean..only you high brow liberals know everything..

 

[Plasmaball]

Someone posted without going through the thread first.

stop dodging.

I have already answered this question when someone else posed it in this very thread. It isn't dodging and I am not going to answer the same question twice due to your intellectual laziness.

you could link back to the post also....just a thought.

 

[Publius1787]

stop dodging.

I have already answered this question when someone else posed it in this very thread. It isn't dodging and I am not going to answer the same question twice due to your intellectual laziness.

you could link back to the post also....just a thought.

You have just proven yourself unworthy of debate. Generally I do engage the intellectually lazy/dishonest but you just brought it to a whole new level.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I have already answered this question when someone else posed it in this very thread. It isn't dodging and I am not going to answer the same question twice due to your intellectual laziness.

you could link back to the post also....just a thought.

You have just proven yourself unworthy of debate. Generally I do engage the intellectually lazy/dishonest but you just brought it to a whole new level.

You are funny.

 

[Publius1787]

you could link back to the post also....just a thought.

You have just proven yourself unworthy of debate. Generally I do engage the intellectually lazy/dishonest but you just brought it to a whole new level.

You are funny.

Yet another post that contributes nothing for no other reason than to gratify the poster him/herself. This is a mental disease many are not aware they have.