Obama to allow oil drilling off Virginia coast and Gulf

[Samson]

Some six weeks ago, when Obama flipflop on nuclear power, I said this...



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You were correct.

The post-healthcare "bounce" was hardly noticeable, and has quickly vanished.

Despite the continued glorified rhetoric of the liberal media, Obama's is faltering where it matters most - the opinion of the American people...

I used to work all over Europe and I experienced these things already.

You see, Obama claim he's elected to bring a change. He started changing America into socialist country and immediately started losing on polls. Why, because he had hidden agenda and everything he "accomplished" so far is just turning more Americans away from him. Nothing he has done could improve his polls.

One thing I noticed back in Europe is, whenever those in power are hurting, they are becoming more extreme, they start finding enemies where there aren't any. I wouldn't be surprised if government start arresting people because of political opinions or because they speak freely. What's stopping them? They have system in place, patriot act and hate laws, all they need is a reason. Just wait and watch, there will be a spark to trigger it.

You know, Am, as extraordinarily far-fetched as your remarks sound, you probably aren't that far from predicting an ever increasingly possible future.

After all, who would have predicted Obama would become a champion of offshore drilling for carbon based fossil fuels?

 

[NYcarbineer]

What you're seeing from the wingnuts here is a textbook example of what I long ago dubbed the Limbaugh rule of propaganda...

...no matter what the 'enemy' does, even if you agree with it, find something bad to say about it.

 

[Ame®icano]

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You were correct.

The post-healthcare "bounce" was hardly noticeable, and has quickly vanished.

Despite the continued glorified rhetoric of the liberal media, Obama's is faltering where it matters most - the opinion of the American people...

I used to work all over Europe and I experienced these things already.

You see, Obama claim he's elected to bring a change. He started changing America into socialist country and immediately started losing on polls. Why, because he had hidden agenda and everything he "accomplished" so far is just turning more Americans away from him. Nothing he has done could improve his polls.

One thing I noticed back in Europe is, whenever those in power are hurting, they are becoming more extreme, they start finding enemies where there aren't any. I wouldn't be surprised if government start arresting people because of political opinions or because they speak freely. What's stopping them? They have system in place, patriot act and hate laws, all they need is a reason. Just wait and watch, there will be a spark to trigger it.

You know, Am, as extraordinarily far-fetched as your remarks sound, you probably aren't that far from predicting an ever increasingly possible future.

After all, who would have predicted Obama would become a champion of offshore drilling for carbon based fossil fuels?

Well Samson, I don't see it as prediction, but as our political reality. Look around, things have changed, our freedom of speech... all our freedoms are shrinking. You cannot disagree or protest against anything anymore without being called a wing nut, or a terrorist, or a loon etc. What's worse, both sides are doing it with an excuse that other side is doing it. One incident is all that they need and I believe they have a law in making, if not already written and waiting for the right moment.

 

[Samson]

I used to work all over Europe and I experienced these things already.

You see, Obama claim he's elected to bring a change. He started changing America into socialist country and immediately started losing on polls. Why, because he had hidden agenda and everything he "accomplished" so far is just turning more Americans away from him. Nothing he has done could improve his polls.

One thing I noticed back in Europe is, whenever those in power are hurting, they are becoming more extreme, they start finding enemies where there aren't any. I wouldn't be surprised if government start arresting people because of political opinions or because they speak freely. What's stopping them? They have system in place, patriot act and hate laws, all they need is a reason. Just wait and watch, there will be a spark to trigger it.

You know, Am, as extraordinarily far-fetched as your remarks sound, you probably aren't that far from predicting an ever increasingly possible future.

After all, who would have predicted Obama would become a champion of offshore drilling for carbon based fossil fuels?

Well Samson, I don't see it as prediction, but as our political reality. Look around, things have changed, our freedom of speech... all our freedoms are shrinking. You cannot disagree or protest against anything anymore without being called a wing nut, or a terrorist, or a loon etc. What's worse, both sides are doing it with an excuse that other side is doing it. One incident is all that they need and I believe they have a law in making, if not already written and waiting for the right moment.

There is no "Future Reality" but only an infinate number of possibilities, some more probable than others.

You do have history on your side though: Politcal Science is the extrapolation of the reality of the past, and I would definately agree that your prediction is becomming a better probability.

 

[rightwinger]

What you're seeing from the wingnuts here is a textbook example of what I long ago dubbed the Limbaugh rule of propaganda...

...no matter what the 'enemy' does, even if you agree with it, find something bad to say about it.

This is a master stroke by President Obama. He is offering up some meaningless offshore drilling permits.
All this is to set up his comprehensive Energy Policy which will emphasise solar, wind, green fuels and conservation.

When the GOP start screaming "Drill Baby....drill" he will have already given them their precious off-shore drilling rights

 

[Samson]

What you're seeing from the wingnuts here is a textbook example of what I long ago dubbed the Limbaugh rule of propaganda...

...no matter what the 'enemy' does, even if you agree with it, find something bad to say about it.

This is a master stroke by President Obama. He is offering up some meaningless offshore drilling permits.
All this is to set up his comprehensive Energy Policy which will emphasise solar, wind, green fuels and conservation.

When the GOP start screaming "Drill Baby....drill" he will have already given them their precious off-shore drilling rights

Why would he need to offer anything to Repubs to set up a Comprehensive Energy Policy?

Have the Dems already lost their congressional majorities?

 

[antagon]

can't rest on your laurels, samson. at least not axelrod.

 

[Douger]

Why not ? Exxon/BP needs the oil to sell to the highest bidders. India and China.
He was going to have the army engineers drill for it, and provide it to you at cost, but you dumb mother fuckers would scream " socialism"
BTW.
Premium is 14 cents a gallon in Venezuela.
Gawd Blass Kaptalizm.

 

[antagon]

settle down douger. i doubt anyone will jump to drill on their permits. they might buy them up, but nobody even tested viability in the gulf of mexico after the permit bans expired there. limbaugh wants to preach drill baby drill, but the oil companies know the negative impact supply has on their profits, and its a free country.

drilling rights off the US has little or nothing to do with the price of oil, whether the seabees do it or not. obama knows that. rush probably doesnt. his fans probably think we can drill our prices down to venezuela's.

 

[Samson]

settle down douger. i doubt anyone will jump to drill on their permits. they might buy them up, but nobody even tested viability in the gulf of mexico after the permit bans expired there. limbaugh wants to preach drill baby drill, but the oil companies know the negative impact supply has on their profits, and its a free country.

drilling rights off the US has little or nothing to do with the price of oil, whether the seabees do it or not. obama knows that. rush probably doesnt. his fans probably think we can drill our prices down to venezuela's.

I'm still puzzeled with Obama's motive in lifting drilling bans.

Corrode the base constituants' support?

Appeal to Big Oil?

If he needed quid-pro-quo for an "Comprehensive Energy Policy," why not hold these cards?

I believe something else is amiss........

I the correct USMB forum (Oil.NRG) there's a raging debate as to whether or not there will be a "oil peak" vs "oil plateau" as the unrenewable resource eventually disappears.......I wonder if Obama has received information we don't know that he's required to act upon.....

hmmmmmm...........maybe the "Conspiracy forum" would be more appropriate

 

[hyakku]

settle down douger. i doubt anyone will jump to drill on their permits. they might buy them up, but nobody even tested viability in the gulf of mexico after the permit bans expired there. limbaugh wants to preach drill baby drill, but the oil companies know the negative impact supply has on their profits, and its a free country.

drilling rights off the US has little or nothing to do with the price of oil, whether the seabees do it or not. obama knows that. rush probably doesnt. his fans probably think we can drill our prices down to venezuela's.

I'm still puzzeled with Obama's motive in lifting drilling bans.

Corrode the base constituants' support?

Appeal to Big Oil?

If he needed quid-pro-quo for an "Comprehensive Energy Policy," why not hold these cards?

I believe something else is amiss........

I the correct USMB forum (Oil.NRG) there's a raging debate as to whether or not there will be a "oil peak" vs "oil plateau" as the unrenewable resource eventually disappears.......I wonder if Obama has received information we don't know that he's required to act upon.....

hmmmmmm...........maybe the "Conspiracy forum" would be more appropriate

I'm not sure if you were able to see my previous post amidst all the rubble here, but I can give you the primary reasons for doing this.

You must realize that there are currently over 4k leases in the gulf of mexico and off many of American shores for drilling. Of these, about 900-1100 are used or are being developed, the rest are just purchased annually and represent assets on the companies sheets to prevent other companies, particularly foreign ones, from aggrandizing their status by acquiring more assets.

This means that, contrary to popular belief, we likely wont see the production of 1.2 million jobs (again, there are 3k sites out there that are TOTALLY undeveloped that would require more than a million jobs, yet no ones touched them for nearly ten years), nor will global gas prices drop, because these will likely be used in the same manner. If I recall correctly (and another poster in another thread had the statistics) it costs roughly 75-85 to produce a barrel of oil using most offshore drilling methods in deep sea beds (over 200 miles I believe), many of which characterize the beds that were recently approved in this drlling bill. Current market price of oil hovers around 81-83 dollars a barrel.

That means that it's simply not feasible to produce ALL of our oil here, as it costs roughly $5 in the middle east per barrel ($3 in Saudi Arabia I believe) to make.

this debunks the economic feasibility reasons, and also debunks the myth that he's a crusader for offshore drilling. while its potential to help is there, it should certainly not be the only thing we rely on.

Therefore you are left with a few things. he wants to erode future hostilities with alternative energy/climate change bills by ALREADY pushing through more drilling, which would make his opponents look like extremists if they weren't satisfied with drilling just off our coasts but also wanted to go to Alaska before we even started in mexico. He also wants to give the guise of bipartisanship, being accepting to their ideas. More importantly, this won't DAMAGE his reputation with oil companies (one of the most powerful lobbying firms in washington), and again, those polls don't really add credence to any of the conspiracy theories you had.

Reagan was around 36%ish at this time, MOST other popular presidents were actually around the 44% mark around this time, lower if they were in times of economic hardship. The popularity pattern that barry's been following doesn't bode will for those who wish to see him removed if history is any indicator, he's following in the footsteps of Reagan, FDR, and some other pretty seminal presidents who were initially questioned for their initial domestic and foreign policies but proven to be salient leaders later.


As for another person who tried to question nuclear energy, this is a matter of science, and something I suspect Steven Chu had a say in thank god. Current nuclear reactors are all political talking points, in terms of saving the environment or producing significant quantities of energy without requiring massive amount of energy or investment to offset their damage, they generally do poorly. Current nuclear technology is highly expensive to maintain, its waste must be stored, and the potential KNOWN environmental risks have already been proven to risk lives, let alone unseen risks.

What needs to be invested in is nuclear reactor R&D. especially technologies like what Bill Gates is investing in. The travelling wave reactor can actually USE depleted uranium, is compact, and can be maintained for cheaper. The only issue is getting them into mass production, but once that's done even their production would be far cheaper.

So the truth of the matter is, neither the dems nor repubs really know what they're talking about when it comes to alternative energy. Luckily the trends seems to be to get a bunch of technocrats like Steven Chu to do it for you, hopefully this keeps up.

 

[AquaAthena]

Obama to allow oil drilling off Virginia coast


By PHILIP ELLIOTT
The Associated Press
Wednesday, March 31, 2010; 12:37 AM

WASHINGTON -- In a reversal of a long-standing ban on most offshore drilling, President Barack Obama is allowing oil drilling 50 miles off Virginia's shorelines. At the same time, he is rejecting some new drilling sites that had been planned in Alaska.

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"Obama made no secret of the fact that one factor in his decision was securing Republican support for a sweeping climate change bill that has languished in Congress. But Obama has long stated his support in favor of the "tough decision" to expand offshore drilling

"The plan modifies a ban that for more than 20 years has limited drilling along coastal areas other than the Gulf of Mexico. It allows new oil drilling off Virginia's shoreline and considers it for a large chunk of the Atlantic seaboard. At the same time, he's rejecting some new drilling sites that had been planned in Alaska.

More: Moneynews - Obama Clears Way for Oil Drilling off U.S. Coasts

 

[rightwinger]

What you're seeing from the wingnuts here is a textbook example of what I long ago dubbed the Limbaugh rule of propaganda...

...no matter what the 'enemy' does, even if you agree with it, find something bad to say about it.

This is a master stroke by President Obama. He is offering up some meaningless offshore drilling permits.
All this is to set up his comprehensive Energy Policy which will emphasise solar, wind, green fuels and conservation.

When the GOP start screaming "Drill Baby....drill" he will have already given them their precious off-shore drilling rights

Why would he need to offer anything to Repubs to set up a Comprehensive Energy Policy?

Have the Dems already lost their congressional majorities?

It cuts off their complaint before they get to make it...

Great political move

 

[Ame®icano]

What you're seeing from the wingnuts here is a textbook example of what I long ago dubbed the Limbaugh rule of propaganda...

...no matter what the 'enemy' does, even if you agree with it, find something bad to say about it.

This is a master stroke by President Obama. He is offering up some meaningless offshore drilling permits.
All this is to set up his comprehensive Energy Policy which will emphasise solar, wind, green fuels and conservation.

When the GOP start screaming "Drill Baby....drill" he will have already given them their precious off-shore drilling rights

And how offshore drilling fits into his solar, wind and green energy policy, exactly?

He said it will create jobs. What happened to the stimulus and job bills?

 

[rightwinger]

What you're seeing from the wingnuts here is a textbook example of what I long ago dubbed the Limbaugh rule of propaganda...

...no matter what the 'enemy' does, even if you agree with it, find something bad to say about it.

This is a master stroke by President Obama. He is offering up some meaningless offshore drilling permits.
All this is to set up his comprehensive Energy Policy which will emphasise solar, wind, green fuels and conservation.

When the GOP start screaming "Drill Baby....drill" he will have already given them their precious off-shore drilling rights

And how offshore drilling fits into his solar, wind and green energy policy, exactly?

He said it will create jobs. What happened to the stimulus and job bills?

It cuts off the Republican opposition before they get to scream about "we need energy now". It also buys time for alternative technologies to mature

 

[skookerasbil]

"peak oil"...........another lefty hoax.

Crap and Tax is going to crash and burn on the vine this summer..........shit, even France is dropping the carbon tax idea because it is not affordable.

When the public finds out that Crap and Tax legislation will double their energy bills in 5 years, even the Dums will hide!!!

 

[kwc57]

What you're seeing from the wingnuts here is a textbook example of what I long ago dubbed the Limbaugh rule of propaganda...

...no matter what the 'enemy' does, even if you agree with it, find something bad to say about it.

This is a master stroke by President Obama. He is offering up some meaningless offshore drilling permits.
All this is to set up his comprehensive Energy Policy which will emphasise solar, wind, green fuels and conservation.

When the GOP start screaming "Drill Baby....drill" he will have already given them their precious off-shore drilling rights

And how offshore drilling fits into his solar, wind and green energy policy, exactly?

He said it will create jobs. What happened to the stimulus and job bills?

Solar and wind are supplemental to oil, not a replacement.

 

[rightwinger]

This is a master stroke by President Obama. He is offering up some meaningless offshore drilling permits.
All this is to set up his comprehensive Energy Policy which will emphasise solar, wind, green fuels and conservation.

When the GOP start screaming "Drill Baby....drill" he will have already given them their precious off-shore drilling rights

And how offshore drilling fits into his solar, wind and green energy policy, exactly?

He said it will create jobs. What happened to the stimulus and job bills?

Solar and wind are supplemental to oil, not a replacement.

If it is supplenting oil....less oil is being used

 

[AquaAthena]

It's amusing to see so many on the right who in fact support this try to put negative spin on it.

that's because as we have seen, the Obama does nothing that is GOOD for our country.
he is a shady schemer who lies without a problem and who is always UP to something.

True! I am a Conservative and have always advocated drilling off our beautiful 364 miles of rugged shoreline along the pristine coast of Oregon, where I live. Jobs and indepencency first!

And of course he did this for political favors, as he needs the support of Republicans for his fat energy bill, coming up. Regardless, it is a good move and the Independents he so seeks to regain, should like it, even though everyone sees through this political move. It is, after all, politics as usual, that both parties participate in. He isn't fooling the informed public though.

 

[Ame®icano]

And how offshore drilling fits into his solar, wind and green energy policy, exactly?

He said it will create jobs. What happened to the stimulus and job bills?

Solar and wind are supplemental to oil, not a replacement.

If it is supplenting oil....less oil is being used

Then, why to drill at all?