Obama Tells Falsehoods About Israel

[Billo_Really]

Commander n chief lol, my apologies to the Jewish people and world...

Obama Tells Falsehoods About Israel, Retracts, Then Repeats Falsehoods
The top propaganda tactics the administration is using to demonize the Jewish State.
October 26, 2015
Morton A. Klein and Daniel Mandel

After weeks of murderous Palestinian stabbing attacks upon innocent Israelis, how has the Obama Administration responded?

Although Israel has been killing or apprehending knife-wielding terrorists, while Mahmoud Abbas’ Palestinian Authority (PA) has been inciting and glorifying their acts of murder, the Administration presents both sides as morally equivalent, while insinuating or even asserting Israeli responsibility.

Obama officials have been doing this in five ways:

1. Condemning violence and incitement on both sides: Specifically condemning attacks on innocent Israelis, Secretary of State John Kerry nonetheless also called upon “all sides to take affirmative steps to restore calm” and called for “leadership that condemns the tit-for-tat.” And State Department spokesman John Kirby explicitly stated, “we recognize that incitement can go both ways here.”

2. Refusing to identify or condemn PA incitement to violence: Despite disseminating falsehoods about Palestinian terrorists being innocents murdered in cold blood by Israel and Muslim supremacist calls by Abbas for Muslims to block imaginary Israeli take-over and “desecration” of Muslim shrines with “their filthy feet,” Administration officials don’t allude to this, much less condemn it. Quite the contrary: State Department spokesman Mark Toner implied Israel isn’t upholding the status quo on Temple Mount, while Mr. Kirby explicitly endorsed this false Palestinian claim, saying, “certainly, the status quo has not been observed, which has led to a lot of the violence.”

3. Refusing to identify which side is using terrorism: Secretary Kerry has spoken of “a revolving cycle,” while Mr. Toner has referred to the “recent wave of violence,” not Palestinian terrorism, and refused to “assign blame” for the attacks. So did Mr. Kirby (“this isn’t about affixing ... blame on either side”).

4. Accusing Israel of using excessive force in dealing with the knife-wielding terrorists: Mr. Kirby baldy stated that “we’ve certainly seen some reports of what many would consider excessive use of force.”

5. Rationalizing the Arab violence as partly the product of Jews moving into or living in the West Bank: Secretary Kerry spoke of a “massive increase in [Jewish] settlements over the course of the last years,” which is neither a warrant for murder nor even true: construction within Jewish communities in the West Bank has dropped during Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s six-year tenure to its lowest point since the Rabin government.

When the Obama Administration nullifies and voids the meaning and worth of its original condemnation of attacks on Israelis with defamatory charges and moral equivalence, it exposes its hostility and bias against Israel.

It is also inflammatory –– if Kerry can assign blame for Arab terrorism on Jews building houses in the West Bank, why can’t Arabs?

...

The Administration seems to be seeking the damaging effects of these subsequently triangulated statements. The clarifications are just sufficiently retractive to mollify critics, while nonetheless preserving the original, damaging impact.

In this instance, President Obama seems to think they retracted too much.

Accordingly, on October 16, he himself doubled down on the original misrepresentations uttered by his officials on October 13 and 14, but retracted on October 14 and 15, saying, “We must try to get all people in Israel, and the West Bank” to oppose “random violence.” President Obama also urged both Messrs. Netanyahu and Abbas to tamp down rhetoric, and again called into question Israel’s maintenance of Jerusalem’s status quo.

As for Abbas’ incitement –– still not a word from him, nor from UN Ambassador Samantha Power, who has also doubled down on some of the earlier false charges in the UN Security Council.

The Obama Administration is telling falsehoods about Israel, retracting them and then restating them. When someone persists with falsehoods, even after admitting them to be untrue, he intends them to stick.

Obama Tells Falsehoods About Israel, Retracts, Then Repeats Falsehoods

Why don't you leave the country, you fucked up, punk-ass little traitor? Your allegiance is clearly not with the United States of America.

Israel murders Palestinian's in cold blood, then sets drop weapons next to their dead bodies.

Obama was too light on Israel. If I was President, I'd fuckin' send in the marines and kick major Israeli ass!

Fuck Israel!

 

[Slyhunter]

Part of the problem as I see it comes in misusing terms. There are no 'innocent Israelis. Every Israeli is either future military, current military, or former military. Only exceptions being some of the ultra-orthodox types who refuse service but most do. Consequently, when an American hears 'Israeli civilian' they naturally assume a civilain like themselves. But that's not right. A tourist might be an innocent civilian, but citizens are essentially all military. And to their enemy, that's exactly how they're thinking about it. So if you don't understand that, you're gonna be viewing it through a screwed up lens.

Another thing is while Israel is the defacto Jewish state according to the UN since 1948, and numerous wars and attempts to make that otherwise have failed, the fact remains that the people who lived there thinking of it as their homeland were displaced and made 2nd class citizens. They have a legitimate bitchfest about this exactly like South Africa under Apartheid and the USA tossing the native Indians off their own land. If you deny this, again, you're responding through a cracked and distorted lens.

Only when youa ccept the truth and reality of a situation can you hope to begin to understand and help fix things. If you're seeing everything through some filter though you'll never be anywhere close to helping because you're way the hell over there, when the problem's way the hell over here.

Including the baby that terrorist throat slit while sleeping in his crib, potential future military target.
You lose.

Yet, you cheer on when thousands of Palestinian babies are murdered by higher tech weaponry.

You can't fight a war without collateral damage when the enemy hides in civilian areas.
But there is a big difference between killing civilians when aiming at combat targets and killing civilians just to kill civilians. And you side on the side of evil.

 

[Slyhunter]

Commander n chief lol, my apologies to the Jewish people and world...

Obama Tells Falsehoods About Israel, Retracts, Then Repeats Falsehoods
The top propaganda tactics the administration is using to demonize the Jewish State.
October 26, 2015
Morton A. Klein and Daniel Mandel

After weeks of murderous Palestinian stabbing attacks upon innocent Israelis, how has the Obama Administration responded?

Although Israel has been killing or apprehending knife-wielding terrorists, while Mahmoud Abbas’ Palestinian Authority (PA) has been inciting and glorifying their acts of murder, the Administration presents both sides as morally equivalent, while insinuating or even asserting Israeli responsibility.

Obama officials have been doing this in five ways:

1. Condemning violence and incitement on both sides: Specifically condemning attacks on innocent Israelis, Secretary of State John Kerry nonetheless also called upon “all sides to take affirmative steps to restore calm” and called for “leadership that condemns the tit-for-tat.” And State Department spokesman John Kirby explicitly stated, “we recognize that incitement can go both ways here.”

2. Refusing to identify or condemn PA incitement to violence: Despite disseminating falsehoods about Palestinian terrorists being innocents murdered in cold blood by Israel and Muslim supremacist calls by Abbas for Muslims to block imaginary Israeli take-over and “desecration” of Muslim shrines with “their filthy feet,” Administration officials don’t allude to this, much less condemn it. Quite the contrary: State Department spokesman Mark Toner implied Israel isn’t upholding the status quo on Temple Mount, while Mr. Kirby explicitly endorsed this false Palestinian claim, saying, “certainly, the status quo has not been observed, which has led to a lot of the violence.”

3. Refusing to identify which side is using terrorism: Secretary Kerry has spoken of “a revolving cycle,” while Mr. Toner has referred to the “recent wave of violence,” not Palestinian terrorism, and refused to “assign blame” for the attacks. So did Mr. Kirby (“this isn’t about affixing ... blame on either side”).

4. Accusing Israel of using excessive force in dealing with the knife-wielding terrorists: Mr. Kirby baldy stated that “we’ve certainly seen some reports of what many would consider excessive use of force.”

5. Rationalizing the Arab violence as partly the product of Jews moving into or living in the West Bank: Secretary Kerry spoke of a “massive increase in [Jewish] settlements over the course of the last years,” which is neither a warrant for murder nor even true: construction within Jewish communities in the West Bank has dropped during Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s six-year tenure to its lowest point since the Rabin government.

When the Obama Administration nullifies and voids the meaning and worth of its original condemnation of attacks on Israelis with defamatory charges and moral equivalence, it exposes its hostility and bias against Israel.

It is also inflammatory –– if Kerry can assign blame for Arab terrorism on Jews building houses in the West Bank, why can’t Arabs?

...

The Administration seems to be seeking the damaging effects of these subsequently triangulated statements. The clarifications are just sufficiently retractive to mollify critics, while nonetheless preserving the original, damaging impact.

In this instance, President Obama seems to think they retracted too much.

Accordingly, on October 16, he himself doubled down on the original misrepresentations uttered by his officials on October 13 and 14, but retracted on October 14 and 15, saying, “We must try to get all people in Israel, and the West Bank” to oppose “random violence.” President Obama also urged both Messrs. Netanyahu and Abbas to tamp down rhetoric, and again called into question Israel’s maintenance of Jerusalem’s status quo.

As for Abbas’ incitement –– still not a word from him, nor from UN Ambassador Samantha Power, who has also doubled down on some of the earlier false charges in the UN Security Council.

The Obama Administration is telling falsehoods about Israel, retracting them and then restating them. When someone persists with falsehoods, even after admitting them to be untrue, he intends them to stick.

Obama Tells Falsehoods About Israel, Retracts, Then Repeats Falsehoods

Why don't you leave the country, you fucked up, punk-ass little traitor? Your allegiance is clearly not with the United States of America.

Israel murders Palestinian's in cold blood, then sets drop weapons next to their dead bodies.

Obama was too light on Israel. If I was President, I'd fuckin' send in the marines and kick major Israeli ass!

Fuck Israel!

Israel is a civilized country defending itself from uncivilized animals. Animals need to be put down. Period.

 

[montelatici]

Israel is as civilized as Apartheid South Africa. Colonizing savages need to be put down. Period.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Commander n chief lol, my apologies to the Jewish people and world...

Obama Tells Falsehoods About Israel, Retracts, Then Repeats Falsehoods
The top propaganda tactics the administration is using to demonize the Jewish State.
October 26, 2015
Morton A. Klein and Daniel Mandel

After weeks of murderous Palestinian stabbing attacks upon innocent Israelis, how has the Obama Administration responded?

Although Israel has been killing or apprehending knife-wielding terrorists, while Mahmoud Abbas’ Palestinian Authority (PA) has been inciting and glorifying their acts of murder, the Administration presents both sides as morally equivalent, while insinuating or even asserting Israeli responsibility.

Obama officials have been doing this in five ways:

1. Condemning violence and incitement on both sides: Specifically condemning attacks on innocent Israelis, Secretary of State John Kerry nonetheless also called upon “all sides to take affirmative steps to restore calm” and called for “leadership that condemns the tit-for-tat.” And State Department spokesman John Kirby explicitly stated, “we recognize that incitement can go both ways here.”

2. Refusing to identify or condemn PA incitement to violence: Despite disseminating falsehoods about Palestinian terrorists being innocents murdered in cold blood by Israel and Muslim supremacist calls by Abbas for Muslims to block imaginary Israeli take-over and “desecration” of Muslim shrines with “their filthy feet,” Administration officials don’t allude to this, much less condemn it. Quite the contrary: State Department spokesman Mark Toner implied Israel isn’t upholding the status quo on Temple Mount, while Mr. Kirby explicitly endorsed this false Palestinian claim, saying, “certainly, the status quo has not been observed, which has led to a lot of the violence.”

3. Refusing to identify which side is using terrorism: Secretary Kerry has spoken of “a revolving cycle,” while Mr. Toner has referred to the “recent wave of violence,” not Palestinian terrorism, and refused to “assign blame” for the attacks. So did Mr. Kirby (“this isn’t about affixing ... blame on either side”).

4. Accusing Israel of using excessive force in dealing with the knife-wielding terrorists: Mr. Kirby baldy stated that “we’ve certainly seen some reports of what many would consider excessive use of force.”

5. Rationalizing the Arab violence as partly the product of Jews moving into or living in the West Bank: Secretary Kerry spoke of a “massive increase in [Jewish] settlements over the course of the last years,” which is neither a warrant for murder nor even true: construction within Jewish communities in the West Bank has dropped during Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s six-year tenure to its lowest point since the Rabin government.

When the Obama Administration nullifies and voids the meaning and worth of its original condemnation of attacks on Israelis with defamatory charges and moral equivalence, it exposes its hostility and bias against Israel.

It is also inflammatory –– if Kerry can assign blame for Arab terrorism on Jews building houses in the West Bank, why can’t Arabs?

...

The Administration seems to be seeking the damaging effects of these subsequently triangulated statements. The clarifications are just sufficiently retractive to mollify critics, while nonetheless preserving the original, damaging impact.

In this instance, President Obama seems to think they retracted too much.

Accordingly, on October 16, he himself doubled down on the original misrepresentations uttered by his officials on October 13 and 14, but retracted on October 14 and 15, saying, “We must try to get all people in Israel, and the West Bank” to oppose “random violence.” President Obama also urged both Messrs. Netanyahu and Abbas to tamp down rhetoric, and again called into question Israel’s maintenance of Jerusalem’s status quo.

As for Abbas’ incitement –– still not a word from him, nor from UN Ambassador Samantha Power, who has also doubled down on some of the earlier false charges in the UN Security Council.

The Obama Administration is telling falsehoods about Israel, retracting them and then restating them. When someone persists with falsehoods, even after admitting them to be untrue, he intends them to stick.

Obama Tells Falsehoods About Israel, Retracts, Then Repeats Falsehoods

Why don't you leave the country, you fucked up, punk-ass little traitor? Your allegiance is clearly not with the United States of America.

Israel murders Palestinian's in cold blood, then sets drop weapons next to their dead bodies.

Obama was too light on Israel. If I was President, I'd fuckin' send in the marines and kick major Israeli ass!

Fuck Israel!

It's strange that all the Presidential candidates are talking about sending in the marines to kick ISIS ass in Syria and Iraq, while you're fixated on kicking Israel's ass. Are you watching the debates at all? It seems to me that all Americans who are for radical Islam are the traitorous ones. Maybe you are the one who should put on a Jihadi uniform and go fight in Syria, after you kill a few Californians.

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel is a civilized country defending itself from uncivilized animals. Animals need to be put down. Period.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

 

[Billo_Really]

It's strange that all the Presidential candidates are talking about sending in the marines to kick ISIS ass in Syria and Iraq, while you're fixated on kicking Israel's ass. Are you watching the debates at all? It seems to me that all Americans who are for radical Islam are the traitorous ones. Maybe you are the one who should put on a Jihadi uniform and go fight in Syria, after you kill a few Californians.

It is strange, since we happen to be supporting ISIS.

 

[American_Jihad]

PALESTINIAN “MODERATE” LEADERS
A sober look at words vs. deeds.
February 8, 2016
Ari Lieberman

When Barack Obama or his shills at the State Department aren’t busy apologizing to the Muslim world for America’s imagined misdeeds or thanking the Iranians for kidnapping our sailors, they’re usually excoriating Israel for “creating obstacles to peace” while the other side – the so-called Palestinians – generally escape criticism. Palestinian Authority incitement and outright anti-Semitism are all but ignored by the Obama administration as is the fact that 6% of the PA’s budget is earmarked toward paying the salaries of convicted terrorists or their families. Since a substantial portion of that budget is subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer, it places the administration of being in the odd position of being an accessary to terror.

The incidents and examples of Palestinian Authority incitement are too voluminous to note in this piece but there are a few recurring themes. Jews (and sometimes Christians) are routinely referred to as apes, pigs or monkeys. Ancient blood libels accusing Jews of kidnapping Arab children for the purpose of using their blood in preparing Passover Matzah are regurgitated with regularity and lastly, those who engage in terrorism and murder are extolled as heroes orShahids.They or their families are often rewarded with cash payments or lucrative job opportunities. Some have even had public places named after them.

Two watchdog groups, Palestinian Media Watch (PMW) and the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) have done an outstanding job documenting and compiling the data relating to Palestinian incitement and anti-Semitism and their viewing should be mandatory for State Department staff. I doubt that will ever happen under an administration besotted by the concept of tearing Israel’s ancestral and historic heartland away from its people.

...

These “moderate” PA leaders would never direct such comments to Western audiences but freely remove their muzzles when addressing their fellow kinsmen. Many in the West stubbornly cling to the notion that the Palestinian Authority, unlike its Hamas adversary in Gaza, has moderated its tone and has accepted the Two-State paradigm. Israelis, however, who are forced to bear the burden of Palestinian treachery and are thoroughly familiar with the duplicitous nature of their neighbors, are under no such illusions and will exercise extreme caution before making any future concessions, irrespective of the pressures brought to bear by Barack Obama.

 

[Slyhunter]

Israel is a civilized country defending itself from uncivilized animals. Animals need to be put down. Period.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

Israel isn't an occupying force. It was attacked it defended itself and it adjusted it's borders because of the attack. If you didn't want them to expand the borders you shouldn't of attacked it and lose.

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel isn't an occupying force. It was attacked it defended itself and it adjusted it's borders because of the attack. If you didn't want them to expand the borders you shouldn't of attacked it and lose.

Rolling your tanks into Egypt, is not self defense.

And it is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Israel is a civilized country defending itself from uncivilized animals. Animals need to be put down. Period.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

Israel isn't an occupying force. It was attacked it defended itself and it adjusted it's borders because of the attack. If you didn't want them to expand the borders you shouldn't of attacked it and lose.

Well, to be really technical about it, Israel only officially annexed Jerusalem, but not the rest of the West Bank.

 

[montelatici]

Israel is a civilized country defending itself from uncivilized animals. Animals need to be put down. Period.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

Israel isn't an occupying force. It was attacked it defended itself and it adjusted it's borders because of the attack. If you didn't want them to expand the borders you shouldn't of attacked it and lose.

How can the native people of an area defending themselves from a European invader be considered attackers? There is a logical disconnect here.

 

[Phoenall]

The only falsehood is to assign blame equally to the oppressed native population and the occupying oppressor. It would be like blaming the partisans and resistance and the Nazis equally for violence in Nazi occupied Europe. Occupied populations are expected to attack the occupier.

Nice of you to finally admit that the arab muslims have always been the occupying oppressor and the Jews and Christians the oppressed native population. You would know all about the Nazi's seeing as you are one and followed the lead of your religion when it sided with the psychopaths mass murdering the untermensch. What rule says that then as I cant find it in any UN laws ?

 

[Phoenall]

Commander n chief lol, my apologies to the Jewish people and world...

Obama Tells Falsehoods About Israel, Retracts, Then Repeats Falsehoods
The top propaganda tactics the administration is using to demonize the Jewish State.
October 26, 2015
Morton A. Klein and Daniel Mandel

After weeks of murderous Palestinian stabbing attacks upon innocent Israelis, how has the Obama Administration responded?

Although Israel has been killing or apprehending knife-wielding terrorists, while Mahmoud Abbas’ Palestinian Authority (PA) has been inciting and glorifying their acts of murder, the Administration presents both sides as morally equivalent, while insinuating or even asserting Israeli responsibility.

Obama officials have been doing this in five ways:

1. Condemning violence and incitement on both sides: Specifically condemning attacks on innocent Israelis, Secretary of State John Kerry nonetheless also called upon “all sides to take affirmative steps to restore calm” and called for “leadership that condemns the tit-for-tat.” And State Department spokesman John Kirby explicitly stated, “we recognize that incitement can go both ways here.”

2. Refusing to identify or condemn PA incitement to violence: Despite disseminating falsehoods about Palestinian terrorists being innocents murdered in cold blood by Israel and Muslim supremacist calls by Abbas for Muslims to block imaginary Israeli take-over and “desecration” of Muslim shrines with “their filthy feet,” Administration officials don’t allude to this, much less condemn it. Quite the contrary: State Department spokesman Mark Toner implied Israel isn’t upholding the status quo on Temple Mount, while Mr. Kirby explicitly endorsed this false Palestinian claim, saying, “certainly, the status quo has not been observed, which has led to a lot of the violence.”

3. Refusing to identify which side is using terrorism: Secretary Kerry has spoken of “a revolving cycle,” while Mr. Toner has referred to the “recent wave of violence,” not Palestinian terrorism, and refused to “assign blame” for the attacks. So did Mr. Kirby (“this isn’t about affixing ... blame on either side”).

4. Accusing Israel of using excessive force in dealing with the knife-wielding terrorists: Mr. Kirby baldy stated that “we’ve certainly seen some reports of what many would consider excessive use of force.”

5. Rationalizing the Arab violence as partly the product of Jews moving into or living in the West Bank: Secretary Kerry spoke of a “massive increase in [Jewish] settlements over the course of the last years,” which is neither a warrant for murder nor even true: construction within Jewish communities in the West Bank has dropped during Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s six-year tenure to its lowest point since the Rabin government.

When the Obama Administration nullifies and voids the meaning and worth of its original condemnation of attacks on Israelis with defamatory charges and moral equivalence, it exposes its hostility and bias against Israel.

It is also inflammatory –– if Kerry can assign blame for Arab terrorism on Jews building houses in the West Bank, why can’t Arabs?

...

The Administration seems to be seeking the damaging effects of these subsequently triangulated statements. The clarifications are just sufficiently retractive to mollify critics, while nonetheless preserving the original, damaging impact.

In this instance, President Obama seems to think they retracted too much.

Accordingly, on October 16, he himself doubled down on the original misrepresentations uttered by his officials on October 13 and 14, but retracted on October 14 and 15, saying, “We must try to get all people in Israel, and the West Bank” to oppose “random violence.” President Obama also urged both Messrs. Netanyahu and Abbas to tamp down rhetoric, and again called into question Israel’s maintenance of Jerusalem’s status quo.

As for Abbas’ incitement –– still not a word from him, nor from UN Ambassador Samantha Power, who has also doubled down on some of the earlier false charges in the UN Security Council.

The Obama Administration is telling falsehoods about Israel, retracting them and then restating them. When someone persists with falsehoods, even after admitting them to be untrue, he intends them to stick.

Obama Tells Falsehoods About Israel, Retracts, Then Repeats Falsehoods

You really are a total scumbag, aren't you?

First off, Israel should be demonized. What they have been doing to the Palestinian's for the last 70 years is disgusting! And you're a disgusting prick for trying to defend this garbage.

Second, the IDF and inhuman settlers shoot innocent Palestinian's in the street, then plant knives near their body and go into the big lie they keep telling how they were attacked and had to defend themselves. It's all bullshit. The Israeli's are the cause of the knife attacks.

Third, don't talk about Abbas when you have Netanfuckyou telling citizens they need to arm themselves and carry out vigilante justice.

And fourth, since they are shooting anyone who even looks Arab, stop fucking saying they are the only democracy in the ME. Israel is a fascist fucking country, in need of a serious beat down.

How about you tell us what they have been doing and provide the evidence from unbiased non partisan sources to substantiate your Jew hatred

PROOF as the only evidence you produce does not show this at all

Evidence as he did not say that, it was the mayor of Jerusalem. And is it any different to the mayor of New York telling the whites to arm themselves.

Is the US democratic then seeing as it is shooting anyone that looks tanned, making your nation a fascist apartheid one in need of a serious case of whup ass

 

[Phoenall]

Israel is a civilized country defending itself from uncivilized animals. Animals need to be put down. Period.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

Israel isn't an occupying force. It was attacked it defended itself and it adjusted it's borders because of the attack. If you didn't want them to expand the borders you shouldn't of attacked it and lose.

How can the native people of an area defending themselves from a European invader be considered attackers? There is a logical disconnect here.

And the native people being Jews tells you what freddy boy, apart from the fact that you don't know what you are rambling on about. Did you forget that the Jews were just as native as the Christians and muslims, and outnumbered them both until the arab muslims invaded in 1931

 

[Slyhunter]

Israel isn't an occupying force. It was attacked it defended itself and it adjusted it's borders because of the attack. If you didn't want them to expand the borders you shouldn't of attacked it and lose.

Rolling your tanks into Egypt, is not self defense.

And it is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war.

except in self defense.
That law didn't take into account land gained while defending yourself from an aggressor.

 

[Slyhunter]

Israel is a civilized country defending itself from uncivilized animals. Animals need to be put down. Period.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

Israel isn't an occupying force. It was attacked it defended itself and it adjusted it's borders because of the attack. If you didn't want them to expand the borders you shouldn't of attacked it and lose.

How can the native people of an area defending themselves from a European invader be considered attackers? There is a logical disconnect here.

Israel is the land of the Jews. Says so in the Bible. To deny that is to declare war on everyone who believes in the bible.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Israel is a civilized country defending itself from uncivilized animals. Animals need to be put down. Period.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

Israel isn't an occupying force. It was attacked it defended itself and it adjusted it's borders because of the attack. If you didn't want them to expand the borders you shouldn't of attacked it and lose.

How can the native people of an area defending themselves from a European invader be considered attackers? There is a logical disconnect here.

Israel is the land of the Jews. Says so in the Bible. To deny that is to declare war on everyone who believes in the bible.

I'm not as religious as I used to be, but I heard something on TBN. They said that the promise to give the Land of Israel (Canaan) to the Jews is mentioned more often in the Bible than the promise of salvation. And monte keeps calling himself a Catholic.

 

[Challenger]

Israel isn't an occupying force. It was attacked it defended itself and it adjusted it's borders because of the attack. If you didn't want them to expand the borders you shouldn't of attacked it and lose.

Rolling your tanks into Egypt, is not self defense.

And it is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war.

except in self defense.
That law didn't take into account land gained while defending yourself from an aggressor.

There is no "...except in self defence" in law and in any event in 1948, the U.N. did not condemn the Arab states as aggressors.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Israel isn't an occupying force. It was attacked it defended itself and it adjusted it's borders because of the attack. If you didn't want them to expand the borders you shouldn't of attacked it and lose.

Rolling your tanks into Egypt, is not self defense.

And it is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war.

except in self defense.
That law didn't take into account land gained while defending yourself from an aggressor.

There is no "...except in self defence" in law and in any event in 1948, the U.N. did not condemn the Arab states as aggressors.

I think Slyhunter was referring to the West Bank being captured from Jordan, by Israel, in the 1967 war. I was naive enough to think Israel becoming a nation in 1948 was not even in question.