Obama Tells Falsehoods About Israel

[Billo_Really]

except in self defense.
That law didn't take into account land gained while defending yourself from an aggressor.

Attacking a sovereign nation is not self defense.

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel is the land of the Jews. Says so in the Bible. To deny that is to declare war on everyone who believes in the bible.

If you think the Bible chooses one people over another, then you don't know the Bible.

 

[Slyhunter]

except in self defense.
That law didn't take into account land gained while defending yourself from an aggressor.

Attacking a sovereign nation is not self defense.

Tell that to the Palestinians.
and before that Egypt and Jordan.
Lining up your tanks along the border is an act of war.
Waiting for them to attack first would be suicide.

 

[Slyhunter]

Israel is the land of the Jews. Says so in the Bible. To deny that is to declare war on everyone who believes in the bible.

If you think the Bible chooses one people over another, then you don't know the Bible.

Israelites are the chosen people, so yes it did.

 

[Billo_Really]

Tell that to the Palestinians.

Why? They're not the aggressors. Israel is.

and before that Egypt and Jordan.

Why? They were attacked by Israel.

Lining up your tanks along the border is an act of war.

No it's not. What a country does within its own sovereign borders, is none of Israel's business.

And a pre-emptive strike, is illegal.

Waiting for them to attack first would be suicide.

Then Israel should've stopped provoking them.

 

[Billo_Really]

Israelites are the chosen people, so yes it did.

The Bible doesn't choose. God doesn't choose. That's just nonsense. We're all equal in HIS eyes.

 

[Slyhunter]

Tell that to the Palestinians.

Why? They're not the aggressors. Israel is.

10,000 rockets say different

and before that Egypt and Jordan.

Why? They were attacked by Israel.

Lining up your tanks along the border is an act of war.

No it's not. What a country does within its own sovereign borders, is none of Israel's business.

And a pre-emptive strike, is illegal.

You're full of shit. Lining up your forces on the border threateningly is an act of war. Your just pissed Israel wasn't stupid enough to shit there and wait for them to attack first.

Waiting for them to attack first would be suicide.

Then Israel should've stopped provoking them.

didn't happen.

 

[Slyhunter]

Israelites are the chosen people, so yes it did.

The Bible doesn't choose. God doesn't choose. That's just nonsense. We're all equal in HIS eyes.

Except for the chosen people.

1 Peter 2:9 [Full Chapter]
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Deuteronomy 7:6​

For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lordyour God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

Deuteronomy 14:2​

for you are a people holy to the Lord your God. Out of all the peoples on the face of the earth, the Lord haschosen you to be his treasured possession.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations​

Deuteronomy 18:5​

for the Lord your God has chosen them and their descendants out of all your tribes to stand and minister in the Lord’s name always.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

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[montelatici]

If you want to do the Bible thing, I have something for you, from our (Christian) Bible.

“The Jews, who have both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.” 1st Thessalonians 2:14-6

 

[Slyhunter]

If you want to do the Bible thing, I have something for you, from our (Christian) Bible.

“The Jews, who have both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.” 1st Thessalonians 2:14-6

You changed the subject, typical liberal when they loose an argument.
Israelites are the chosen people.
Jerusalem is the home of the Jews.

 

[Billo_Really]

10,000 rockets say different

The occupation had been going on for 34 years before the first rocket went up.

You're full of shit. Lining up your forces on the border threateningly is an act of war. Your just pissed Israel wasn't stupid enough to shit there and wait for them to attack first.

It has nothing to do with being pissed, it has everything to do with the fact there are only 2 legal ways a country can attack another country.

- if they, themselves, are attacked
- they receive UNSC authorization​

And Israel had neither.

BTW, the Israeli general who was in command of that tank force, stated the Israeli's knew Egypt would not attack.

didn't happen.

Of coarse they did. They started stealing Jordan's water and threatening Egypt over closing the Straits.

All Israel does is threaten people. Just ask Lebanon and Iran.

 

[Billo_Really]

Except for the chosen people.

1 Peter 2:9 [Full Chapter]
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Deuteronomy 7:6
For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lordyour God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

Deuteronomy 14:2
for you are a people holy to the Lord your God. Out of all the peoples on the face of the earth, the Lord haschosen you to be his treasured possession.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Deuteronomy 18:5
for the Lord your God has chosen them and their descendants out of all your tribes to stand and minister in the Lord’s name always.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

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God doesn't have a pecking order.

Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes.​

And just for the sake of argument, even if HE did choose, HE certainly wouldn't pick a bunch of primadonna assholes, who walk around like their shit don't stink and treat everyone else like garbage.

Oh yeah, God is all about treating other people like garbage? Right?

 

[Slyhunter]

Except for the chosen people.

1 Peter 2:9 [Full Chapter]
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Deuteronomy 7:6
For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lordyour God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

Deuteronomy 14:2
for you are a people holy to the Lord your God. Out of all the peoples on the face of the earth, the Lord haschosen you to be his treasured possession.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Deuteronomy 18:5
for the Lord your God has chosen them and their descendants out of all your tribes to stand and minister in the Lord’s name always.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

​

God doesn't have a pecking order.

Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes.​

And just for the sake of argument, even if HE did choose, HE certainly wouldn't pick a bunch of primadonna assholes, who walk around like their shit don't stink and treat everyone else like garbage.

Oh yeah, God is all about treating other people like garbage? Right?

Actually yeah. narrow minded asshole he is.

 

[Billo_Really]

Actually yeah. narrow minded asshole he is.

You don't have a clue as to what the Bible is about, or God's message in it.

 

[montelatici]

If you want to do the Bible thing, I have something for you, from our (Christian) Bible.

“The Jews, who have both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.” 1st Thessalonians 2:14-6

You changed the subject, typical liberal when they loose an argument.
Israelites are the chosen people.
Jerusalem is the home of the Jews.

What is a "loose" argument? LOL

Since you want to play the Bible game, let's get it straight.

In any case, today's Jews are not God's chosen people. God's chosen people are the Christians, including the offspring of the Jews who were the first to become Christians.

Hint: Romans 9:13 will help you understand the dynamic.

"It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. For this was how the promise was stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Actually yeah. narrow minded asshole he is.

You don't have a clue as to what the Bible is about, or God's message in it.

Then why don't you enlighten us?

 

[American_Jihad]

Obama Setting Up Yet Another Fight With Israel
February 29, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

Flashback to '10. Biden visited Israel.

Obama, Biden and Hillary decided to use the visit to stage an incident with Netanyahu. They claimed that a housing project (which was never built) in Jerusalem passing one stage of a multi-stage review was a calculated and deliberate "insult" to the United States.

Biden refused to come down. Then he did and the results were ugly. Hillary Clinton spent hours screaming at Netanyahu over the phone.

The whole point of this was to stage a fight with Israel as part of a plan to discredit Netanyahu.

Six years later, Obama is pulling the same stunt all over again.

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The "level of anxiety" is similar to that experienced by Brer Rabbit asking not to be thrown into the briar patch. This is set dressing for the fight Obama wants to pick.

Israel is not a dictatorship. Prime Ministers actually have less power than presidents. Which means it's quite possible that somewhere, some part of Israel's bureaucracy will review and approve something in one of the many parts of Israel that Obama doesn't want to see any Jews living in.

And, I highly suspect, that Obama Inc. already knows where and when, and has scheduled the visit for just that when.

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So aside from crippling construction for Jerusalem, itself an objective, Obama Inc. is adding stress to the situation even though it's entirely up to the White House to regard some committee somewhere signing a piece of paper as an "insult".

So this is a game. It's the kind of game that people play in abusive relationships. Which is what Obama's relationship with Israel is.

Obama Setting Up Yet Another Fight With Israel

 

[American_Jihad]

Why Netanyahu Stood Up Obama
Obama’s final campaign against the Jewish State is underway.
March 9, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

On March 9, 2010, the headlines were chocked with outrage over Netanyahu’s “snub” to Obama. Six years later, almost to the day, the same rerun is playing on news networks across America.

The White House is outraged, shocked and infuriated by Netanyahu’s “snub.” Obama is depressed at the snub and gorging on a pint of Ben and Jerry’s Brownie Batter to get over the pain of a skipped meeting with the Israeli prime minister. Obama-Netanyahu meetups convey all the joy of a root canal and yet we’re supposed to believe that Obama was looking forward to this particular session with Netanyahu.

Obama and his media allies are assuming that everyone forgot the last time they put on the same production of “Fake Outrage Theater” on this same date for the same exact reasons. Like the PLO, Obama keeps picking fights with Israel while trying to make it look like he’s the real victim.

If you remember that Obama and Hillary Clinton put on their best fake outrage over a fake snub six years ago, then the latest fake snub headlines look ridiculously fake. Suddenly you can see that the actors on stage are just acting, the background is just cardboard, the puppets have strings and the magician is stuffing the colored handkerchiefs up his sleeve. It’s not Pallywood. It’s Obamawood.

Last month I predicted that Obama would stage another fake incident with Israel and then play the victim. Administration sources were broadcasting warnings through the media to Israel not to “offend” Biden during his visit. Those were the equivalent of a drunk barging into a bar looking to pick a fight and shouting, “No one better make me mad.” But with Biden in the air on the way to Israel and no committee approving the construction of Jewish homes, the pretext for the last big fake “snub” back in ’10, Obama was forced to fall back to Plan B of inventing drama in Mean Girls Politics.

Last time, Netanyahu was accused of “snubbing” Biden in Israel, even though Tehran Joe was the one who sat in his room for an hour refusing to come to the party held in his honor and then ended up making a scene when he did go down. Then Hillary yelled at Netanyahu over the phone for two hours.

This manufactured drama, barely worthy of a Kardashian, filled the media for a few days. Politicians sputtered with outrage at the presumptuousness of an obscure Israeli building committee signing off on one stage of many bureaucratic stages of a project which, six years later, has yet to actually be built.

Biden captured the fake mountain-molehill outrage best, "I condemn the decision by the government of Israel to advance planning for new housing units." A decision by a building committee to “advance planning” while Biden was in the country was, according to Hillary Clinton, “insulting not just to the Vice President who didn’t deserve that… but it was an insult to the United States.” Unlike Iran’s loving abduction and humiliation of American sailors at gunpoint on video which was a diplomatic success.

But if you understand why the episode of “Fake Outrage Theater” happened back then, you know why it’s in reruns on every news network now.

The March visit was meant to set the stage for pressuring Israel to make concessions to terrorists later in the fall. Before the visit, senators from both parties had warned Obama to back off the campaign against Israel. The fake snub was invented to turn Obama into the victim and increase pressure on Israel. By April, even Senator Schumer was disgusted by the escalation of the White House campaign.

It’s the same story all over again now. Biden isn’t visiting Israel for his health. Or for Israel’s health.

Obama is planning to deal a final blow to Israel. The Wall Street Journal reports that a variety of options are being considered by the White House including a UN resolution that would impose the framework of a deal on Israel. France’s failed left-wing government has been pushing just such a resolution. Kerry, ever the obedient Francophile, had drafted his own version of the pro-terrorist resolution.

Such a resolution would impose the borders of a PLO terror state on Israel while passing off all other concerns, including Israel’s security against terrorism, as topics to be eventually negotiated. It would amount to an 800-pound thumb on the scale of the peace process by giving the PLO everything it wants, giving Israel nothing, and essentially calling the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Jews.


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Why Netanyahu Stood Up Obama

 

[Phoenall]

Israel is a civilized country defending itself from uncivilized animals. Animals need to be put down. Period.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

Israel isn't an occupying force. It was attacked it defended itself and it adjusted it's borders because of the attack. If you didn't want them to expand the borders you shouldn't of attacked it and lose.

How can the native people of an area defending themselves from a European invader be considered attackers? There is a logical disconnect here.

Israel is the land of the Jews. Says so in the Bible. To deny that is to declare war on everyone who believes in the bible.

It also says it in the koran, so why are the muslims so hell bent on taking Israel

 

[Phoenall]

Israel isn't an occupying force. It was attacked it defended itself and it adjusted it's borders because of the attack. If you didn't want them to expand the borders you shouldn't of attacked it and lose.

Rolling your tanks into Egypt, is not self defense.

And it is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war.

except in self defense.
That law didn't take into account land gained while defending yourself from an aggressor.

There is no "...except in self defence" in law and in any event in 1948, the U.N. did not condemn the Arab states as aggressors.

WRONG AGAIN and British law has recently been altered to take in this very concept. After the farmer was convicted of illegal death when he shot the intruders who targeted his home. He was aquitted after the laws were changed.
Something about if you believed your life was in danger you are allowed to use excessive force up to and including killing your assailant/s.