Obama Signed Secret Libya Order Authorizing Support For Rebels

[MaggieMae]

It sure is comical watching these anti-war liberals trip over themselves justifying the obama. lol Fuckin' hypocrites abound.

Almost as comical as watching anti-terrorist CON$ bend over and grab their ankles supporting Gaddafi, a terrorist with American blood on his hands. lol Fuckin' hypocrites abound.

Nope, they shoulda shot that asshole a couple decades ago.

I'm not against taking out Qaddafi. I might not agree with the way we're doing it, but I'll rejoice when I hear he's deceased.

Obama needs to grow a set and be up front about what he's doing, and not lie and sugar coat it to try and satisfy his insatiable base. What are they gonna do, vote republican?

Oh I see, he should go public with all the details of a CIA operation. Gotcha. Ironically, even if he did, you'd complain.

 

[MaggieMae]

It sure is comical watching these anti-war liberals trip over themselves justifying the obama. lol Fuckin' hypocrites abound.

You seem to be under the misconception that people who were against going to war in Iraq are "anti-war".

I'm a veteran myself, and certainly no pacifist. I just happened to think that going into Iraq was fucking stupid.

Now, I'm not going to say Libya is a good or bad move, I'll withhold judgement until I see the results, but it's certainly no Iraq.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Trajan]

The Resolution authorizing all the activities the administration is presently involved in concerning Libya was passed by UNANIMOUS consent, meaning all 100 voted yea, to the following resolution. The Republicans and pundits can grandstand 'till pigs fly that they're in the dark, but they...are...lying...

Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
^Full wording

S.Res.85: A resolution strongly condemning the gross and systematic violations of human rights in Libya

I see where we urge the Security Council to impose a no-fly zone.
I do not, however, see where we agree to be the enforcers of it.

Actually, France has done just as much as the US as far as enforcing the no-fly zone. But the resolution is a given that US planes would be involved.

well, looks like that that..


and the french never really put the number of aircraft over Libya that we did, their carrier is only equipped with approx. 30 ground attack aircraft. Including any land based assets I'd say they maxed out at 50 ....


Libya mission: U.S. eases off, Gadhafi holds on

By Robert Burns - The Associated Press
Posted : Saturday Apr 2, 2011 10:03:03 EDT

WASHINGTON — Two weeks after a dark-of-night barrage of mostly U.S. missiles and bombs opened the international air assault on Libya’s Moammar Gadhafi, the American combat role is ending, the rag-tag rebels are reeling and the Pentagon is betting its European allies can finish the job.

Gadhafi is still standing, with a few uncertain signs that his inner circle could crack. The Obama administration is hoping that if Gadhafi’s government doesn’t implode soon, a relentless campaign of airstrikes on his tanks, air defenses and most trusted army units will at least weaken his ability to survive a renewed uprising by a disjointed opposition. The revels initially rattled Gadhafi but in recent days have given up most of their gains.

more at-

Libya mission: U.S. eases off, Gadhafi holds on - Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times

 

[Trajan]

It sure is comical watching these anti-war liberals trip over themselves justifying the obama. lol Fuckin' hypocrites abound.

Almost as comical as watching anti-terrorist CON$ bend over and grab their ankles supporting Gaddafi, a terrorist with American blood on his hands. lol Fuckin' hypocrites abound.

I'm reminded of all their screeching when the US didn't get involved at all in the uprising in Iran two summers ago following their election. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. But hey, it's Obama, so it's to be expected. Whatever he does, or will do, will be met with mob mentality.

getting involved militarily and supporting protesters via speechifying/moral sppt. are 2 very different things.

I cannot recall anyone saying we should have gone into Iran. I do recall people asking about Darfur.....

 

[MaggieMae]

Speaking of which...


msnbc.com Video Player

So here is what I found so far, just a quote from Rand Pauls people... I will have to find out more before I defend Paul but this was with less than a few min of looking... Sooo, if this is true, what then? Bet you look for another dumbshit that attacks Rand without doing an ounce of homework...


The Paul staff told Free Man In Kentucky "There wasn't a vote. It was rushed through by Unanimous Consent, with no debate or discussion about what was in it. We didn't even get to see what it was, and Senator Paul never voted on it. Also, Senator Paul didn't even have a chance to object to it because the resolution--which is non-binding-- was in and out before he made it back to the floor."

Last night, Lawrence O'donnell did a rewrite section on his show about this. Incidentally, Mr. O'donnell served for 7 years in the U.S. Senate as a Senator, so yeah, I think he knows a thing or two about this.

Unanimous consent incidentally, is how MOST of the laws get passed by the way, and no, according to the way it's done, it was NOT rushed through at the last 45 seconds of the day.

Rand Paul is lying to his constituents.

Check out what Mr. O'donnell has to say about this....

The Last Word

Actually, Lawrence O'Donnell was never an elected Senator himself, but a top aid to Patrick Moynihan. He therefore knows every inch of the legislative process, whereas many elected officials do not. O'Donnell was also the top consultant for the drama series The West Wing, which is why that program was so right-on accurate in its portrayal of behind-the-scenes politicking that the public never gets to see.

 

[uscitizen]

And just who was dumb enough to think that we would not be routing weapons and such to the Iraqi insurgents?

 

[MaggieMae]

I see where we urge the Security Council to impose a no-fly zone.
I do not, however, see where we agree to be the enforcers of it.

Actually, France has done just as much as the US as far as enforcing the no-fly zone. But the resolution is a given that US planes would be involved.

well, looks like that that..


and the french never really put the number of aircraft over Libya that we did, their carrier is only equipped with approx. 30 ground attack aircraft. Including any land based assets I'd say they maxed out at 50 ....


Libya mission: U.S. eases off, Gadhafi holds on

By Robert Burns - The Associated Press
Posted : Saturday Apr 2, 2011 10:03:03 EDT

WASHINGTON — Two weeks after a dark-of-night barrage of mostly U.S. missiles and bombs opened the international air assault on Libya’s Moammar Gadhafi, the American combat role is ending, the rag-tag rebels are reeling and the Pentagon is betting its European allies can finish the job.

Gadhafi is still standing, with a few uncertain signs that his inner circle could crack. The Obama administration is hoping that if Gadhafi’s government doesn’t implode soon, a relentless campaign of airstrikes on his tanks, air defenses and most trusted army units will at least weaken his ability to survive a renewed uprising by a disjointed opposition. The revels initially rattled Gadhafi but in recent days have given up most of their gains.

more at-

Libya mission: U.S. eases off, Gadhafi holds on - Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times

There are signs that Gadhafi's inner circle is cracking, and I think it's a matter of days before he's toast. Also, the beginnings of rebel leadership are starting to form which we'll probably learn more about in the days to come. This is an excerpt from a CNN report on potential key figures within the rebel group. (A little hard to follow, but I think it's a good sign that the rebels aren't solely made up of ragtag youth playing soldier.)

CNN.com - Transcripts

BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, the people taking prominent leadership roles with the rebels seem to have two strains in common. They're either former members of the Gadhafi regime, they've been away from Libya for a long time, or some combination of both.

U.S. officials admit it's still hard to get a complete handle of who's really leading this group, but a few people are starting to emerge.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

TODD (voice-over): Make no mistake. Libya's rebels are still a reeling, disorganized force. But we're now getting a clearer picture of who they are, people like Mahmoud Jibril (ph), who's got new prominence after meeting with Hillary Clinton.

HILLARY CLINTON, SECRETARY OF STATE: When did you arrive?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Last night.

TODD: Jibril (ph) is one of the rebels' chief foreign affairs reps, along with former Libyan economics minister Ali Esoui (ph). Not long ago, Jibril (ph) was also one of Muammar Gadhafi's chief economic advisers. A 2009 U.S. diplomatic cable posted on WikiLeaks calls Jibril (ph) "a serious interloculator" who gets the U.S. perspective.

ALI AUJALI, FORMER LIBYAN AMBASSADOR TO U.S.: Mahmoud Jibril (ph) is very professional. He's graduated from American universities here. And Gadhafi is asking to come to Libya to join the reform and draft the constitution.

TODD: Former Libyan ambassador to the U.S. Ali Aujali knows most of these men. I asked him about one figure who's just now emerging from the shadows: Halifa Hafter (ph), a former Libyan army colonel who, according to several reports, is now the rebel's top military commander, after spending more than 20 years living in northern Virginia.

(on camera) Not much is known about him. What can you tell us about Mr. Hafter (ph)?

AUJALI: Well, Hafter (ph) is a very professional military man. He was in charge of the Libyan army when there was a war against the Chad in the late '80s. And he was arrested by the Chadian and then, when was arrested, he's (UNINTELLIGIBLE) from the government.

TODD (voice-over): Analysts say Hafter's (ph) experience in that disastrous border war with Chad in the '80s soured him on Gadhafi.

The most prominent opposition leader is former Libyan justice minister Mustafa Abdul Jalil (ph), who in that position often went against his vengeful boss.

(on camera) Experts say most of these rebel leaders are well educated, experienced, well connected to the west, all useful attributes right now. But they say they also have some drawbacks, which could end up fracturing this group in the future.

(voice-over) Ronald Bruce St. John has met with Saif Gadhafi and has written seven books on Libya.

RONALD BRUCE ST. JOHN, LIBYA SCHOLAR: I have real concerns that this older group that's tied to the regime or has been outside of the country for a long period of time will be able to relate to the young rebels in Libya and provide effective leadership that the rebels are willing to accept.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

TODD: Ambassador Aujali counters that by saying there's plenty that unifies this group. They all want a unified Libya, and they all want Tripoli as the capital. Wolf, we do have to say that Ambassador Aujali represents the rebels in Washington, so he's got a dog in this fight.

BLITZER: He broke with Gadhafi. And he's now the ex-ambassador as far as the State Department is concerned. Brian, thanks very much.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Many years ago I played defensive end for a long time. I always knew when I had that 6'4" 290 lb offensive lineman beat.
They always started crying to the officials and calling names.
When a quitter knows they are defeated all they have left is lip.

You must be brain dead from all the hits to the head or the steroids then, he isn't talking about Reagan, he is talking about obamaturd.

 

[AmericanFirst]

And where exactly did the article say anything about personal???????????
It said arms, money, training and propaganda.

Boots are on the way:

Lejeune Marines prepare to deploy off Libyan coast | abc11.com

Twenty-two hundred Marines and sailors from Camp Lejeune are preparing to deploy off the coast of Libya in northern Africa. They said goodbye to their families Monday afternoon, and they'll be leaving in the days ahead.

Off the coast is not on the ground, except to CON$, of course.

At least cons have the balls to take care of a problem the correct way without lying everytime they turn around, unlike dimwits who play games in the name of socialism to appease their masters. If you knew anything if they are deploying off the coast of Libya they are preparing to invade. Obama is a liar, period!

 

[MaggieMae]

Almost as comical as watching anti-terrorist CON$ bend over and grab their ankles supporting Gaddafi, a terrorist with American blood on his hands. lol Fuckin' hypocrites abound.

I'm reminded of all their screeching when the US didn't get involved at all in the uprising in Iran two summers ago following their election. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. But hey, it's Obama, so it's to be expected. Whatever he does, or will do, will be met with mob mentality.

getting involved militarily and supporting protesters via speechifying/moral sppt. are 2 very different things.

I cannot recall anyone saying we should have gone into Iran. I do recall people asking about Darfur.....

It was really quite the controversy at the time.

Obama Stands Firm on Restrained Response to Iran Protests - FoxNews.com

As for Darfur, nobody ever wanted to touch that region. I think there are so many forces at work there, it would be nightmare for one more to be added. Also, do you really think the American people would have approved of a military presence in a seriously divided country made up of black people and Muslims?

 

[AmericanFirst]

When someone sends me a private message and calls me foul names I respond in the open, not hide like they did.
"there are 2 ways a human can get over even let's say 240 pounds.... 230 is pushing it. 1:get really fucking fat or 2: Steroids..."
You are an idiot. I played with many that came as freshman from the country that were not fat, 6'4 and over 260 at age 19 before they were in the conditioning program.
Steroids were used by sprinters in the Olympics in the late 60s dude. So Olympic sprinters are fat?
Now by the 80s, way past my days, weight lifters and football players were using them. It was a huge problem in the NFL.
But I played against and with many that got big from diet, strength coaches, whey solids and vitamins. I was born big.
Know your subject dude. You obviously know nothing about football. Talk about putting one's foot up their own ass.
What SEC school did you play for in the early 70s? No one I knew then took steroids.
At least you post all of your nonsense in the open and I give you credit for that.
Obama a "war President"?

Well, the bodybuilding sports thing is off topic but you're a fucking moron going off your post. Who cares if sprinters took roids, I didn't say you HAD to be over 230... Shit Arnold was over 6 foot at 225 during his "prime" steroid use... So it sounds like you out ran a fat guy, like I said.

Now more on topic, I dare you to prove Obama is not a "war president."

Iraq

Afghanistan

Libya

There are my three examples of wars Obama has either not ended, expanded or started.

Okay.........I'll play your silly little game.........

Iraq. We got so entrenched in there because of Bush Jr. that it's gonna take a while to pull out. However, Obama has already pulled out the combat troops.

Afghanistan. Again, Obama inherited that war from Bush Jr. We should have actually gone into Afghanistan rather than Iraq, but Jr. was too fucking blinded by payback for his father and oil.

Libya. It's not a war yet. Oh yeah.....you DO realize that Congress passed a resolution in support of a no fly zone in Libya a full 10 days prior to Obama taking action? Rand Paul even voted in favor of it.

Try again stupid.

Hey STUPID, George W. Bush did the right thing after we were attacked. He also had the support of the dimwits, until their spine melted and wanted to get elected then they started running away from their own decision, cowards. The dimwits are socialist idiots.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

When will our Politicians learn? Aggressive Foreign Interventionism is a Lose/Lose proposition for this Nation. We'll be the Bad Guys at some point in Libya. The Libyan opposition will take our money & weapons but make no mistake about it,they hate America. These Libyan Bombings are just wrong. Just another foreign policy blunder. The American People will have to pay a price for this at some point.

 

[AmericanFirst]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorizing covert U.S. government support for rebel forces seeking to oust Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, government officials told Reuters on Wednesday.

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Obama signed the order, known as a presidential "finding", within the last two or three weeks, according to four U.S. government sources familiar with the matter.

Such findings are a principal form of presidential directive used to authorize secret operations by the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA and the White House declined immediate comment.

News that Obama had given the authorization surfaced as the President and other U.S. and allied officials spoke openly about the possibility of sending arms supplies to Gaddafi's opponents, who are fighting better-equipped government forces.

The United States is part of a coalition, with NATO members and some Arab states, which is conducting air strikes on Libyan government forces under a U.N. mandate aimed at protecting civilians opposing Gaddafi.
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In interviews with American TV networks on Tuesday, Obama said the objective was for Gaddafi to "ultimately step down" from power. He spoke of applying "steady pressure, not only militarily but also through these other means" to force Gaddafi out.







Obama Signed Secret Libya Order Authorizing Support For Rebels

I wished back when that Bush had taken Saddam out covertly. It would have saved thousands of lives and a ton of money.

And yes I do think Gaddafi will end up being "taken out". The guy needs killing, like Saddam did.

If Bush would have taken hussein out covertly you would have cried foul. So now it was alright to kill hussein to justify killing qaddafi? Hypocrites.

 

[Jack Fate]

We just bombed the rebels by mistake and killed a bunch. Nice job Obama. How many terrorists is that going to create?

 

[Mr Liberty]

It is none of our business. We should have stayed out of it.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Bombing & Killing is not "Humanitarian." I don't care how much they try to spin that BULLSHIT.

 

[AmericanFirst]

are we talking about Reagan? Do you see his name in the thread title moron?

By know you know that some people, when they have nothing good to say, simply try and point out the flaws of some republican! lol

It's not just some republican that was brought up it was the Pseudo-conservative hero and Grandfather, Ronnie Raygun! Yeah, how dare someone bring up the fact that a modern day Republican President may have done something simular or worse.

Those two were allot better than what we have now.

 

[Gadawg73]

When will our Politicians learn? Aggressive Foreign Interventionism is a Lose/Lose proposition for this Nation. We'll be the Bad Guys at some point in Libya. The Libyan opposition will take our money & weapons but make no mistake about it,they hate America. These Libyan Bombings are just wrong. Just another foreign policy blunder. The American People will have to pay a price for this at some point.

One of the leaders of the opposition was living in Virginia for the last 20 years before going back a few weeks ago.
I agree with you somewhat on the Obama policy as he is a rank amateur but blanket statements about what ifs are sort of a stretch at this point.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Bomb first,ask questions later. We're only just now figuring out who these Libyan Rebels are. And it's not good news. Lots of Al Qaeda involved. Maybe they should have asked some questions first before bombing the shit out of people. Just a thought anyway.

 

[Vast LWC]

Boots are on the way:

Lejeune Marines prepare to deploy off Libyan coast | abc11.com

Off the coast is not on the ground, except to CON$, of course.

At least cons have the balls to take care of a problem the correct way without lying everytime they turn around, unlike dimwits who play games in the name of socialism to appease their masters. If you knew anything if they are deploying off the coast of Libya they are preparing to invade. Obama is a liar, period!

Hah, because Bush didn't lie about Iraq at all.

After all, we found all those terrorist training camps and WMD manufacturing facilities right away....

Oh no, wait...