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How can you train without people there?And where exactly did the article say anything about personal???????????I am not even sure why they outed this now unless they think its a fait accompli, to going to come out and soon anyway.
The cia I guess wheres wingtips , so he can indeed that there were no 'boots' on the ground.
It will be interesting to see if he had informed the senate and house select intelligence committees that he had let the cia go into Libya.
It said arms, money, training and propaganda.
Responsibility lies with Congress to get involved with this. This should be thoroughly investigated as to its Constitutionality. I guess we'll see what Congress does or doesn't do. Stay tuned.
Official Summary
3/1/2011--Passed Senate without amendment. (This measure has not been amended since it was introduced. The summary of that version is repeated here.) Applauds the courage of the Libyan people in standing up against the dictatorship of Muammar Gadhafi and for demanding democratic reforms and respect for human and civil rights. Condemns systematic violations of human rights in Libya, including attacks on protesters demanding democratic reforms. Calls on Muammar Gadhafi to desist from further violence, recognize the Libyan people's demand for democratic change, resign his position, and permit a peaceful transition to democracy. Welcomes the vote of the U.N. Security Council on resolution 1970 referring the situation in Libya to the International Criminal Court (ICC), imposing an arms embargo on the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, freezing Gadhafi family assets, and banning international travel by Gadhafi, members of his family, and senior advisors. Urges:
(1) the Gadhafi regime to abide by Security Council Resolution 1970, and
(2) the Security Council to take such further action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory. Welcomes:
(1) the African Union's (AU) condemnation of the disproportionate use of force in Libya and urges the AU to take action to address the human rights crisis in Libya,
(2) the United Nations Human Rights Council's (UNHRC) decision to recommend Libya's suspension from the Council and urges the U.N. General Assembly to vote to suspend Libya's rights of Council,
(3) Secretary of State Clinton's attendance at the UNHRC meeting in Geneva and urges the Council's assumption of a country mandate for Libya that employs a Special Rapporteur on the human rights situation in Libya, and
(4) U.S. outreach to Libyan opposition figures in support of an orderly transition to a democratic government in Libya.
You know.......if Egypt and Qatar are really serious about this, they should send advisors into eastern Libya to train up the rebels who have no background in military ops and let those that do fight on the front lines until the new ones get trained up.
Woudn't hurt to send several crates of AK-47's, ammo for the weapons and a couple of crates of pineapple fragmentation grenades. No RPG's or things like that though.
You nailed it there, training is the biggest problem. Most of the rebels are civilians and have no kind of Military training whatsoever, just handing someone a crate of weapons doesn't really do much if hes not trained on how to use them.
I am not even sure why they outed this now unless they think its a fait accompli, to going to come out and soon anyway.
The cia I guess wheres wingtips , so he can indeed that there were no 'boots' on the ground.
It will be interesting to see if he had informed the senate and house select intelligence committees that he had let the cia go into Libya.
Is that similar to the order Reagan signed selling missles to Iran to funnel cash to the Contras?
There are American hostages involved?
Boots are on the way:And where exactly did the article say anything about personal???????????I am not even sure why they outed this now unless they think its a fait accompli, to going to come out and soon anyway.
The cia I guess wheres wingtips , so he can indeed that there were no 'boots' on the ground.
It will be interesting to see if he had informed the senate and house select intelligence committees that he had let the cia go into Libya.
It said arms, money, training and propaganda.
Lejeune Marines prepare to deploy off Libyan coast | abc11.com
Twenty-two hundred Marines and sailors from Camp Lejeune are preparing to deploy off the coast of Libya in northern Africa. They said goodbye to their families Monday afternoon, and they'll be leaving in the days ahead.
Well, the bodybuilding sports thing is off topic but you're a fucking moron going off your post. Who cares if sprinters took roids, I didn't say you HAD to be over 230... Shit Arnold was over 6 foot at 225 during his "prime" steroid use... So it sounds like you out ran a fat guy, like I said.
Now more on topic, I dare you to prove Obama is not a "war president."
Iraq
Afghanistan
Libya
There are my three examples of wars Obama has either not ended, expanded or started.
Obama expanded Iraq?
The Pentagon expanded the Afghanistan war.
I disagreed with both when Bush fucked them both up. Rummie took resources AWAY from Afghanistan for Iraq and fucked that war up. Rumsfeld/Bush/Cheney were advised by the entire US military and US military ground force commanders in theatre NOT to turn their backs on the remaining Baathist police, militaryand government officials in post war Iraq and what did Bush do? Let 80,000 of them hit the streets, armed to the teeth with the Shia chasing them. The next day the IEDs started and the insurgency fought us just like our military advised they would do.
Libya? Read my posts from way back. Obama administration, just like the Reagan administration, dropped the ball on this from the start. They entered too late, ran their mouth from the start. "Ghadafi must go" comment was a bad statement to make public.
Speak softly yet carry a big stick.
Obama is not a war President. He inherited 2 wars and downsized one and is re-evaluating the other.
No wonder we end up with McCain/Palin. We need to focus on running this team off yet all I hear is Run Sarah Run, Obama is a Kenyan secret agent war President and he plays too much golf.
But bottom line we are on the same page. Obama is not a fiscal conservative and amateur at foreign policy. He must go.
I don't agree that Obama couldn't end the wars if he wanted to, that is why I say they are his wars now. Obama expanded Afghanistan, or allowed it.
Libya is a war as defined by what makes a war a war. Only in the Political world of I want to do a war but not call it a war is it not a war, and this war is already breaching the lines drawn in the sand by people who reeeeeeaaalllly don't want this viewed as a war.
Thats my take on it.
Obama has turned out to be a third Bush term. I doubt any liberals that voted for Obama would have been happy if they could have viewed where things are today before they voted back in 2008. I believe the rebels on their own stand a significant chance of losing, do you really think Obama wants this war to turn out like that when he took the risk he has? He will do whatever is needed to win this war all the while not calling it a war He has to win, its the smart/intellectual choice and thats what is at risk here
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorizing covert U.S. government support for rebel forces seeking to oust Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, government officials told Reuters on Wednesday.
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Obama signed the order, known as a presidential "finding", within the last two or three weeks, according to four U.S. government sources familiar with the matter.
Such findings are a principal form of presidential directive used to authorize secret operations by the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA and the White House declined immediate comment.
News that Obama had given the authorization surfaced as the President and other U.S. and allied officials spoke openly about the possibility of sending arms supplies to Gaddafi's opponents, who are fighting better-equipped government forces.
The United States is part of a coalition, with NATO members and some Arab states, which is conducting air strikes on Libyan government forces under a U.N. mandate aimed at protecting civilians opposing Gaddafi.
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In interviews with American TV networks on Tuesday, Obama said the objective was for Gaddafi to "ultimately step down" from power. He spoke of applying "steady pressure, not only militarily but also through these other means" to force Gaddafi out.
Obama Signed Secret Libya Order Authorizing Support For Rebels
I just had to revisit the OP to see how it related to Bush/Iraq.
Any discussion that attaches war to Obama always turns out the same way............"Boooooosh did it!"
wah-fuckin-wah
Okay.........I'll play your silly little game.........
Iraq. We got so entrenched in there because of Bush Jr. that it's gonna take a while to pull out. However, Obama has already pulled out the combat troops.
Afghanistan. Again, Obama inherited that war from Bush Jr. We should have actually gone into Afghanistan rather than Iraq, but Jr. was too fucking blinded by payback for his father and oil.
Libya. It's not a war yet. Oh yeah.....you DO realize that Congress passed a resolution in support of a no fly zone in Libya a full 10 days prior to Obama taking action? Rand Paul even voted in favor of it.
Try again stupid.
Speaking of which...
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So here is what I found so far, just a quote from Rand Pauls people... I will have to find out more before I defend Paul but this was with less than a few min of looking... Sooo, if this is true, what then? Bet you look for another dumbshit that attacks Rand without doing an ounce of homework...
The Paul staff told Free Man In Kentucky "There wasn't a vote. It was rushed through by Unanimous Consent, with no debate or discussion about what was in it. We didn't even get to see what it was, and Senator Paul never voted on it. Also, Senator Paul didn't even have a chance to object to it because the resolution--which is non-binding-- was in and out before he made it back to the floor."
Senate procedure depends not only on the rules, but also on a variety of customs and traditions. The Senate commonly waives some of its stricter rules by unanimous consent. Unanimous consent agreements are typically negotiated beforehand by party leaders. A senator may block such an agreement, but in practice, objections are rare. The presiding officer enforces the rules of the Senate, and may warn members who deviate from them. The presiding officer sometimes uses the gavel of the Senate to maintain order. McConnell has also been grandstanding, playing dumb, when he knows exactly what's going on.
A "hold" is placed when the leader's office is notified that a senator intends to object to a request for unanimous consent from the Senate to consider or pass a measure. A hold may be placed for any reason and can be lifted by a senator at any time. A senator may place a hold simply to review a bill, to negotiate changes to the bill, or to kill the bill. A bill can be held for as long as the senator who objects to the bill wishes to block its consideration.
And VietNam was a 'police action'Libya. It's not a war yet..
You know.......if Egypt and Qatar are really serious about this, they should send advisors into eastern Libya to train up the rebels who have no background in military ops and let those that do fight on the front lines until the new ones get trained up.
Woudn't hurt to send several crates of AK-47's, ammo for the weapons and a couple of crates of pineapple fragmentation grenades. No RPG's or things like that though.
You nailed it there, training is the biggest problem. Most of the rebels are civilians and have no kind of Military training whatsoever, just handing someone a crate of weapons doesn't really do much if hes not trained on how to use them.
That was real fucking smart of obie wan wasn't it. Handing weapons to God knows who,, what a dumbAss.
Gee, that would make him as big a dumbAss as St Ronnie!You know.......if Egypt and Qatar are really serious about this, they should send advisors into eastern Libya to train up the rebels who have no background in military ops and let those that do fight on the front lines until the new ones get trained up.
Woudn't hurt to send several crates of AK-47's, ammo for the weapons and a couple of crates of pineapple fragmentation grenades. No RPG's or things like that though.
You nailed it there, training is the biggest problem. Most of the rebels are civilians and have no kind of Military training whatsoever, just handing someone a crate of weapons doesn't really do much if hes not trained on how to use them.
That was real fucking smart of obie wan wasn't it. Handing weapons to God knows who,, what a dumbAss.
You know.......if Egypt and Qatar are really serious about this, they should send advisors into eastern Libya to train up the rebels who have no background in military ops and let those that do fight on the front lines until the new ones get trained up.
Woudn't hurt to send several crates of AK-47's, ammo for the weapons and a couple of crates of pineapple fragmentation grenades. No RPG's or things like that though.
You nailed it there, training is the biggest problem. Most of the rebels are civilians and have no kind of Military training whatsoever, just handing someone a crate of weapons doesn't really do much if hes not trained on how to use them.
That was real fucking smart of obie wan wasn't it. Handing weapons to God knows who,, what a dumbAss.
You nailed it there, training is the biggest problem. Most of the rebels are civilians and have no kind of Military training whatsoever, just handing someone a crate of weapons doesn't really do much if hes not trained on how to use them.
That was real fucking smart of obie wan wasn't it. Handing weapons to God knows who,, what a dumbAss.
When we invaded Afghanistan after 911 and were fighting there guess where 99% of the weapons the Taliban and everyone else we were fighting there were from?
The US of A. Left over from when they fought the Ruskies.
That has been American policy for over 100 years. Not condoning it, it is a fact.
Been that way forever. You didn't know that?
You know.......if Egypt and Qatar are really serious about this, they should send advisors into eastern Libya to train up the rebels who have no background in military ops and let those that do fight on the front lines until the new ones get trained up.
Woudn't hurt to send several crates of AK-47's, ammo for the weapons and a couple of crates of pineapple fragmentation grenades. No RPG's or things like that though.
You nailed it there, training is the biggest problem. Most of the rebels are civilians and have no kind of Military training whatsoever, just handing someone a crate of weapons doesn't really do much if hes not trained on how to use them.
Gee, that would make him as big a dumbAss as St Ronnie!You nailed it there, training is the biggest problem. Most of the rebels are civilians and have no kind of Military training whatsoever, just handing someone a crate of weapons doesn't really do much if hes not trained on how to use them.
That was real fucking smart of obie wan wasn't it. Handing weapons to God knows who,, what a dumbAss.
You nailed it there, training is the biggest problem. Most of the rebels are civilians and have no kind of Military training whatsoever, just handing someone a crate of weapons doesn't really do much if hes not trained on how to use them.
That was real fucking smart of obie wan wasn't it. Handing weapons to God knows who,, what a dumbAss.
When we invaded Afghanistan after 911 and were fighting there guess where 99% of the weapons the Taliban and everyone else we were fighting there were from?
The US of A. Left over from when they fought the Ruskies.
That has been American policy for over 100 years. Not condoning it, it is a fact.
Been that way forever. You didn't know that?
That was real fucking smart of obie wan wasn't it. Handing weapons to God knows who,, what a dumbAss.
When we invaded Afghanistan after 911 and were fighting there guess where 99% of the weapons the Taliban and everyone else we were fighting there were from?
The US of A. Left over from when they fought the Ruskies.
That has been American policy for over 100 years. Not condoning it, it is a fact.
Been that way forever. You didn't know that?
She knows, but she is a partisan hack...
Gee, that would make him as big a dumbAss as St Ronnie!That was real fucking smart of obie wan wasn't it. Handing weapons to God knows who,, what a dumbAss.
When we invaded Afghanistan after 911 and were fighting there guess where 99% of the weapons the Taliban and everyone else we were fighting there were from?
The US of A. Left over from when they fought the Ruskies.
That has been American policy for over 100 years. Not condoning it, it is a fact.
Been that way forever. You didn't know that?
She knows, but she is a partisan hack...
what youse guys seem to have admitted too is that this asshole has doubled down on dumb in that he seems incapable of learning from past mistakes..
Thank you for admitting that Ronaldus Magnus was a dumbAss mistake!what youse guys seem to have admitted too is that this asshole has doubled down on dumb in that he seems incapable of learning from past mistakes..Gee, that would make him as big a dumbAss as St Ronnie!That was real fucking smart of obie wan wasn't it. Handing weapons to God knows who,, what a dumbAss.
