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Obama has been telling border states for almost 3 years that we're on our own when it comes to illegal immigration.
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Obama has been telling border states for almost 3 years that we're on our own when it comes to illegal immigration.
That's what totalitarian rule leads to.
Let's have laws telling folks what to think and what the correct culture is for them. We all need nannies, still, too.
That's what totalitarian rule leads to.
Let's have laws telling folks what to think and what the correct culture is for them. We all need nannies, still, too.
So what you're saying, if I understand you correctly, is that government social infrastructure such as education spending and support for labor rights leads to concentration camps, gulags, and state-controlled media. Do I have that right?
If so, could you please give us a historical example of this actually happening?
CEOs now making 400X as much as average worker, AND paying less in taxes. There's the epitome of what's killing the country- the infrastructure and the non rich are in ruins...
They are not paying less in taxes, that is a common liberal claim that is utterly false.
The bottom 53% pay ZERO income taxes...in fact have a negative tax liability.
Wrong again- in the real world, the poorest 53% pay as much %wise in ALL taxes and fees as the richest. Gas tax, registrations, sales tax, fees fees fees, LOCAL income taxes and property taxes. Hell, payroll taxes bring in more than income tax now, for the first time EVER. You are misled.
No, that's your twisted interpretation of a relatively easy to understand post.
Nope.That's what totalitarian rule leads to.
Let's have laws telling folks what to think and what the correct culture is for them. We all need nannies, still, too.
So what you're saying, if I understand you correctly, is that government social infrastructure such as education spending and support for labor rights leads to concentration camps, gulags, and state-controlled media. Do I have that right?
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You already gave the examples. Or did you forget? Gulags, Concentration camps, re-education camps, state-controlled media, etc.If so, could you please give us a historical example of this actually happening?
No, that's your twisted interpretation of a relatively easy to understand post.
If it's that easy to understand, then why don't you explain it?
We're discussing Obama's advocacy of more government action to promote employment and help out people who aren't already rich. Someone brought up the word "totalitarian." What's the connection between the two?
If you, or Si modo, or whoever aren't saying that government action to promote employment and help out people who aren't already rich will lead to totalitarianism, what the hell ARE you trying to say? Anything at all?
To quote Gerald Ford:
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have"
That's what we are saying.
I have no desire to connect points I make to your strawmen.To quote Gerald Ford:
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have"
That's what we are saying.
Pretty vague. Nobody's talking about government giving people "everything they want."
Besides, this sounds like you ARE saying that Obama's proposals will lead to totalitarian government.
Si modo:
I gave examples of totalitarian government in action, that's all. What does that have to do with what Obama's talking about? He's certainly not advocating concentration camps, unless you have that view of Guantanamo (which I do but you probably don't).
Connect the dots, please.
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You're feeling a tad bit uncomfortable in the lack of any meat to your argument for more authority of government over our lives..... (And forgive me if I suspect that the reason you won't, is because it would make it painfully obvious just how stupid you guys are being.)
Few are denying that. Most don't want government to legislate culture.Much as you on the right would like to believe that American cultural tradition is one of self-reliance, you are only half right. Collective action and community are as much a part of our culture and self-image as self-reliance and competition. ....
Actually, quite a lot of people on this board are denying that. I direct your attention once more to the title of this thread, which clearly indicates a preference for being "on our own." It's a common theme on the right.
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And, ask any of them if they are against communities and charities helping others.
That's what totalitarian rule leads to.Too totalitarian for most tastes, except for those of idealist Marxists.
You have a strange implied definition of "totalitarian" here. Generally speaking that implies concentration camps, gulags, and state-controlled media, not support for organized labor or government spending to educate kids.
Let's have laws telling folks what to think and what the correct culture is for them. We all need nannies, still, too.
Most of us like the freedom to self-realize. And most who are grown ups, know that comes with the outcome of success (however each individual defines their own success and their right to define that for themselves) or failure. It's a grown up thing to do.
Sorry if you don't like facts.
I have no desire to connect points I make to your strawmen.
I never said it did. If I did, then you could argue that with me. As I didn't say that, you're arguing with yourself.I have no desire to connect points I make to your strawmen.
We're not discussing strawmen. We're discussing your insertion of the concept of totalitarianism. What does totalitarianism have to do with what Obama is talking about?
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To quote Gerald Ford:
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have"
That's what we are saying.
Pretty vague. Nobody's talking about government giving people "everything they want."
Besides, this sounds like you ARE saying that Obama's proposals will lead to totalitarian government.
Si modo:
I gave examples of totalitarian government in action, that's all. What does that have to do with what Obama's talking about? He's certainly not advocating concentration camps, unless you have that view of Guantanamo (which I do but you probably don't).
Connect the dots, please.
(And forgive me if I suspect that the reason you won't, is because it would make it painfully obvious just how stupid you guys are being.)
I never said [what Obama is talking about] did [have anything to do with totalitarianism].
I even provided you with what I said.
Maybe you'll stop wasting my time with strawmen, then.I never said [what Obama is talking about] did [have anything to do with totalitarianism].
Good enough. Then we agree it does not and can now drop that subject.
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I addressed your idiocy.I even provided you with what I said.
What you said wasn't clearly saying anything. Hence the confusion. Why don't you restate your position so that it makes sense.
Few are denying that. Most don't want government to legislate culture.Much as you on the right would like to believe that American cultural tradition is one of self-reliance, you are only half right. Collective action and community are as much a part of our culture and self-image as self-reliance and competition. ....
Actually, quite a lot of people on this board are denying that. I direct your attention once more to the title of this thread, which clearly indicates a preference for being "on our own." It's a common theme on the right.
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And, ask any of them if they are against communities and charities helping others.
That's what totalitarian rule leads to.Too totalitarian for most tastes, except for those of idealist Marxists.
You have a strange implied definition of "totalitarian" here. Generally speaking that implies concentration camps, gulags, and state-controlled media, not support for organized labor or government spending to educate kids.
Let's have laws telling folks what to think and what the correct culture is for them. We all need nannies, still, too.
Most of us like the freedom to self-realize. And most who are grown ups, know that comes with the outcome of success (however each individual defines their own success and their right to define that for themselves) or failure. It's a grown up thing to do.
Sorry if you don't like facts.
I addressed your idiocy.
I'm fine with that.
Obviously we're done here.I addressed your idiocy.
I'm fine with that.
Now you're verbally masturbating. I guess if you're fine with that, too, we're done here.
Few are denying that. Most don't want government to legislate culture.Much as you on the right would like to believe that American cultural tradition is one of self-reliance, you are only half right. Collective action and community are as much a part of our culture and self-image as self-reliance and competition. ....
Actually, quite a lot of people on this board are denying that. I direct your attention once more to the title of this thread, which clearly indicates a preference for being "on our own." It's a common theme on the right.
....
And, ask any of them if they are against communities and charities helping others.
That's what totalitarian rule leads to.Too totalitarian for most tastes, except for those of idealist Marxists.
You have a strange implied definition of "totalitarian" here. Generally speaking that implies concentration camps, gulags, and state-controlled media, not support for organized labor or government spending to educate kids.
Let's have laws telling folks what to think and what the correct culture is for them. We all need nannies, still, too.
Most of us like the freedom to self-realize. And most who are grown ups, know that comes with the outcome of success (however each individual defines their own success and their right to define that for themselves) or failure. It's a grown up thing to do.
Sorry if you don't like facts.