Obama on cusp of winning Iran nuclear vote

[rightwinger]

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

Republicans had eight years to negotiate a deal with Iran.....they didn't even try

Obama was able to get Iran to come to the table while Republicans mocked the idea of actually negotiating

Obama, along with the other major world powers, worked out a deal. Like, most deals, each side does not get everything they wanted......but it is the best deal on the table

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

What make you believe they are going to stop their current par to develop a weapon?


They said so?

and you believe them.

The day, or the day after, the deal was agreed on, one of the top mullahs was chanting 'Death to America"


You believe them.

Common sense says not to.

Yeah those "death to America" clerics are exactly the same as our own warhawk conservatives and the Zionists, they say a whole bunch of apocalyptic shit and issue threats but it's for domestic consumption. Who gives a fuck what they say to keep their followers happy and scared? Following the rules of the deal is all that matters. Iran is poised to come out of this insular phase as the last people who remember their revolution die off.

He is the leader of the country and commander in chief of their military. He is a virtual dictator.

Him saying that would be like Putin saying death to the UK. Do you think the UK would take such a statement seriously?

That "threat" has been issued daily since the 1980s, repeat something often enough and it becomes meaningless.

Republicans still shitting their pants over "death to America" chants?

 

[Darkwind]

American conservatives, Israeli conservatives, Iranian conservatives - all united in their opposition to a nuclear deal for the same reason, their political positions depend on being able to scare their own people.

And those in favor are scaring us that the world will end if there is no agreement. Both sides use fear. We know what Iran will do, they told us.

No one is trying to say the world will end, they are just saying what you should have already known, we were on a path to eventual war with Iran that promised to be costlier, bloodier, more prolonged and more futile than Iraq.

We were not.

Saying that only proves that you do not pay attention, do not know anything about Iran and still trust the people who said that Saddam was an imminent threat to America and it's allies.

I know a great deal about Iran......But to stay on subject of your stupid premise....

Iran was bottled up until we decided to negotiate with them. .

They came to the table because the sanctions worked....when they started making demands, we should have walked away for another 5 years......

Iran is far to weak to be more than just a regional threat using proxy idiots in the Muslim community....

Now that they think they are going to be free of sanctions, the entire Middle East is lining to up get some serious loans to attack Israel and the west......

War? Yeah, we will have it in spades as soon as Obama completes this fuck up.

 

[Auld Phart]

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

Republicans had eight years to negotiate a deal with Iran.....they didn't even try

Obama was able to get Iran to come to the table while Republicans mocked the idea of actually negotiating

Obama, along with the other major world powers, worked out a deal. Like, most deals, each side does not get everything they wanted......but it is the best deal on the table

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

What make you believe they are going to stop their current par to develop a weapon?


They said so?

and you believe them.

The day, or the day after, the deal was agreed on, one of the top mullahs was chanting 'Death to America"


You believe them.

Common sense says not to.

Yeah those "death to America" clerics are exactly the same as our own warhawk conservatives and the Zionists, they say a whole bunch of apocalyptic shit and issue threats but it's for domestic consumption. Who gives a fuck what they say to keep their followers happy and scared? Following the rules of the deal is all that matters. Iran is poised to come out of this insular phase as the last people who remember their revolution die off.

He is the leader of the country and commander in chief of their military. He is a virtual dictator.

Him saying that would be like Putin saying death to the UK. Do you think the UK would take such a statement seriously?

That "threat" has been issued daily since the 1980s, repeat something often enough and it becomes meaningless.

Republicans still shitting their pants over "death to America" chants?

Wrong question.

it should be, "Why aren't Democrats shitting their diapers over "death to America' chants, when the country chanting is supporting terrorism?

 

[occupied]

The best deal is worse then no deal when dealing with terrorism. All I need as proof is that they changed their vote. Nothing else has changed. This is a vote on Obama's legacy. Letting a sworn enemy, an enemy that has sworn to continue to fund terrorism against us just does not make sense. Except to try and preserve some sort of legacy for Obama and I am afraid that legacy will be a suitcase nuke.

It is the best deal Neville Chamberlain Kerry and Obama can get.

Here's a better deal...cancel the deal and have ZERO inspections of Iran's nuclear program...

Terrorist need nuclear weapons to REALLY take over the world...

The so-called deal won't stop terrorists. The sanctions were destroying Iran's economy, they were working. With the sanctions in place they could not afford a nuclear program. Now, they have money and freedom to build whatever they want and sell them to whoever they want.

The naivte of obozo and you libs about the iranians is amazing. Their leaders scream "death to america and israel" and you silly fucks just laugh and say they don't really mean it.

liberalism is truly a mental disease.

The deal is to remove Iran from the nuclear brink

If they are found to be increasing their support of terrorism, what can we do?
Return to economic sanctions

We can do all sorts of things up to and including launching attacks on their nuclear facilities, these people are acting like having the war they so dearly want becomes impossible under this deal. In some ways military action becomes more likely if Iran is found to be blatantly breaking the deal.

 

[mamooth]

Here's a better deal. Give Israel the green light to take out all of Iran's nuclear facilities, then the risk of iranian nukes would truly be zero

Except Israel isn't capable of dong it. That's why Bibi came begging to the USA.

 

[rightwinger]

What make you believe they are going to stop their current par to develop a weapon?


They said so?

and you believe them.

The day, or the day after, the deal was agreed on, one of the top mullahs was chanting 'Death to America"


You believe them.

Common sense says not to.

Yeah those "death to America" clerics are exactly the same as our own warhawk conservatives and the Zionists, they say a whole bunch of apocalyptic shit and issue threats but it's for domestic consumption. Who gives a fuck what they say to keep their followers happy and scared? Following the rules of the deal is all that matters. Iran is poised to come out of this insular phase as the last people who remember their revolution die off.

He is the leader of the country and commander in chief of their military. He is a virtual dictator.

Him saying that would be like Putin saying death to the UK. Do you think the UK would take such a statement seriously?

That "threat" has been issued daily since the 1980s, repeat something often enough and it becomes meaningless.

Republicans still shitting their pants over "death to America" chants?

Wrong question.

it should be, "Why aren't Democrats shitting their diapers over "death to America' chants, when the country chanting is supporting terrorism?

They have used the same chant for forty years.......get used to it

 

[Bfgrn]

The so-called deal won't stop terrorists. The sanctions were destroying Iran's economy, they were working. With the sanctions in place they could not afford a nuclear program. Now, they have money and freedom to build whatever they want and sell them to whoever they want.

The naivte of obozo and you libs about the iranians is amazing. Their leaders scream "death to america and israel" and you silly fucks just laugh and say they don't really mean it.

liberalism is truly a mental disease.

WTF?

 

[occupied]

American conservatives, Israeli conservatives, Iranian conservatives - all united in their opposition to a nuclear deal for the same reason, their political positions depend on being able to scare their own people.

And those in favor are scaring us that the world will end if there is no agreement. Both sides use fear. We know what Iran will do, they told us.

No one is trying to say the world will end, they are just saying what you should have already known, we were on a path to eventual war with Iran that promised to be costlier, bloodier, more prolonged and more futile than Iraq.

We were not.

Saying that only proves that you do not pay attention, do not know anything about Iran and still trust the people who said that Saddam was an imminent threat to America and it's allies.

I know a great deal about Iran......But to stay on subject of your stupid premise....

Iran was bottled up until we decided to negotiate with them. .

They came to the table because the sanctions worked....when they started making demands, we should have walked away for another 5 years......

Iran is far to weak to be more than just a regional threat using proxy idiots in the Muslim community....

Now that they think they are going to be free of sanctions, the entire Middle East is lining to up get some serious loans to attack Israel and the west......

War? Yeah, we will have it in spades as soon as Obama completes this fuck up.

You don't know shit about Iran that has not been filtered through the same people who sold the war in Iraq, quit listening to these people, they just want another trillion dollars that we should spend building our own nation.

 

[rightwinger]

Lame duck Obama once again slaps down the Republicans

When is the Republican Congress actually going to accomplish something? I hear they have another government shutdown coming?

Obama wins on the global stage.....Republicans fume and shut down government

 

[Auld Phart]

Yeah those "death to America" clerics are exactly the same as our own warhawk conservatives and the Zionists, they say a whole bunch of apocalyptic shit and issue threats but it's for domestic consumption. Who gives a fuck what they say to keep their followers happy and scared? Following the rules of the deal is all that matters. Iran is poised to come out of this insular phase as the last people who remember their revolution die off.

He is the leader of the country and commander in chief of their military. He is a virtual dictator.

Him saying that would be like Putin saying death to the UK. Do you think the UK would take such a statement seriously?

That "threat" has been issued daily since the 1980s, repeat something often enough and it becomes meaningless.

Republicans still shitting their pants over "death to America" chants?

Wrong question.

it should be, "Why aren't Democrats shitting their diapers over "death to America' chants, when the country chanting is supporting terrorism?

They have used the same chant for forty years.......get used to it

WHY?

Are YOU that much a sheep?

I'm not.

 

[Darkwind]

And those in favor are scaring us that the world will end if there is no agreement. Both sides use fear. We know what Iran will do, they told us.

No one is trying to say the world will end, they are just saying what you should have already known, we were on a path to eventual war with Iran that promised to be costlier, bloodier, more prolonged and more futile than Iraq.

We were not.

Saying that only proves that you do not pay attention, do not know anything about Iran and still trust the people who said that Saddam was an imminent threat to America and it's allies.

I know a great deal about Iran......But to stay on subject of your stupid premise....

Iran was bottled up until we decided to negotiate with them. .

They came to the table because the sanctions worked....when they started making demands, we should have walked away for another 5 years......

Iran is far to weak to be more than just a regional threat using proxy idiots in the Muslim community....

Now that they think they are going to be free of sanctions, the entire Middle East is lining to up get some serious loans to attack Israel and the west......

War? Yeah, we will have it in spades as soon as Obama completes this fuck up.

You don't know shit about Iran that has not been filtered through the same people who sold the war in Iraq, quit listening to these people, they just want another trillion dollars that we should spend building our own nation.

Your backing and promoting a deal that will start more wars and cause more death and you are telling ME that My information is filtered?

you don't know what the fuck your talking about.....

Go read some reports on the groups are are positively salavating at the prospect of Iran loaning them money from the 120 billion dollar windfall they are about to have....

Hell, go look at the reports out of N. Korea....

Wake the fuck up..

 

[Bfgrn]

So tell us how depending on Iran to inspect their own facilities and turn themselves in will help.

I already debunked your "Iran to inspect their own facilities" bullshit. But when did facts ever stop dogma and ignorance?

News from The Associated Press

The AP's controversial and badly flawed Iran inspections story, explained

 

[rightwinger]

He is the leader of the country and commander in chief of their military. He is a virtual dictator.

Him saying that would be like Putin saying death to the UK. Do you think the UK would take such a statement seriously?

That "threat" has been issued daily since the 1980s, repeat something often enough and it becomes meaningless.

Republicans still shitting their pants over "death to America" chants?

Wrong question.

it should be, "Why aren't Democrats shitting their diapers over "death to America' chants, when the country chanting is supporting terrorism?

They have used the same chant for forty years.......get used to it

WHY?

Are YOU that much a sheep?

I'm not.

Hurt your feelings when they say that?
Keep you up at night?

Grow a pair

 

[Auld Phart]

That "threat" has been issued daily since the 1980s, repeat something often enough and it becomes meaningless.

Republicans still shitting their pants over "death to America" chants?

Wrong question.

it should be, "Why aren't Democrats shitting their diapers over "death to America' chants, when the country chanting is supporting terrorism?

They have used the same chant for forty years.......get used to it

WHY?

Are YOU that much a sheep?

I'm not.

Hurt your feelings when they say that?
Keep you up at night?

Grow a pair

I have a pair, bigger than this guy that seems to like the tree in my backyard.

Change your diaper

 

[occupied]

No one is trying to say the world will end, they are just saying what you should have already known, we were on a path to eventual war with Iran that promised to be costlier, bloodier, more prolonged and more futile than Iraq.

We were not.

Saying that only proves that you do not pay attention, do not know anything about Iran and still trust the people who said that Saddam was an imminent threat to America and it's allies.

I know a great deal about Iran......But to stay on subject of your stupid premise....

Iran was bottled up until we decided to negotiate with them. .

They came to the table because the sanctions worked....when they started making demands, we should have walked away for another 5 years......

Iran is far to weak to be more than just a regional threat using proxy idiots in the Muslim community....

Now that they think they are going to be free of sanctions, the entire Middle East is lining to up get some serious loans to attack Israel and the west......

War? Yeah, we will have it in spades as soon as Obama completes this fuck up.

You don't know shit about Iran that has not been filtered through the same people who sold the war in Iraq, quit listening to these people, they just want another trillion dollars that we should spend building our own nation.

Your backing and promoting a deal that will start more wars and cause more death and you are telling ME that My information is filtered?

you don't know what the fuck your talking about.....

Go read some reports on the groups are are positively salavating at the prospect of Iran loaning them money from the 120 billion dollar windfall they are about to have....

Hell, go look at the reports out of N. Korea....

Wake the fuck up..

I am awake, so is the world. The way it is shaking out the only opposition is from people who see their political positions in their own countries weakened by a thawing of tensions and a step back from the brink of war. Just so happens they are all conservatives so fuck them. If Iran takes all the money, that is theirs, and funnels it right into military and terror their own citizens will revolt. The Iranian people strongly expect their economy to quickly improve after sanctions are lifted. If it does not improve the Iranian government is in a great deal of trouble since they have been blaming everything entirely on sanctions.

 

[rightwinger]

We were not.

Saying that only proves that you do not pay attention, do not know anything about Iran and still trust the people who said that Saddam was an imminent threat to America and it's allies.

I know a great deal about Iran......But to stay on subject of your stupid premise....

Iran was bottled up until we decided to negotiate with them. .

They came to the table because the sanctions worked....when they started making demands, we should have walked away for another 5 years......

Iran is far to weak to be more than just a regional threat using proxy idiots in the Muslim community....

Now that they think they are going to be free of sanctions, the entire Middle East is lining to up get some serious loans to attack Israel and the west......

War? Yeah, we will have it in spades as soon as Obama completes this fuck up.

You don't know shit about Iran that has not been filtered through the same people who sold the war in Iraq, quit listening to these people, they just want another trillion dollars that we should spend building our own nation.

Your backing and promoting a deal that will start more wars and cause more death and you are telling ME that My information is filtered?

you don't know what the fuck your talking about.....

Go read some reports on the groups are are positively salavating at the prospect of Iran loaning them money from the 120 billion dollar windfall they are about to have....

Hell, go look at the reports out of N. Korea....

Wake the fuck up..

I am awake, so is the world. The way it is shaking out the only opposition is from people who see their political positions in their own countries weakened by a thawing of tensions and a step back from the brink of war. Just so happens they are all conservatives so fuck them. If Iran takes all the money, that is theirs, and funnels it right into military and terror their own citizens will revolt. The Iranian people strongly expect their economy to quickly improve after sanctions are lifted. If it does not improve the Iranian government is in a great deal of trouble since they have been blaming everything entirely on sanctions.

At this point, what does Iran have to gain by secretly resurrecting their nuclear weapons program?

More sanctions?

 

[Obiwan]

So tell us how depending on Iran to inspect their own facilities and turn themselves in will help.

I already debunked your "Iran to inspect their own facilities" bullshit. But when did facts ever stop dogma and ignorance?

News from The Associated Press

The AP's controversial and badly flawed Iran inspections story, explained

So your source is a blog???

Can we use that type of source too???

 

[JoeB131]

[Q

PM in North: Khamenei makes it clear Iran will continue to fund terrorism

So lets give them 120 billion and let them inspect their own nuclear sites. Great idea, guy.

Terrorism wasn't a subject of this discussion,so why do you keep talking about it.

I'd love to have a conversation where we get them to stop funding "Terrorists", but will we stop funding the Zionists and what they are doing to the Palestinians? I don't think so.

Oh yeah, that 120 billion. We aren't "giving" them anything that isn't already rightfully theirs. We froze those assets in response to the Hostage Crisis 35 years ago. They let the hostages go, we didn't return the assets.

 

[JoeB131]

Chalk up another victory for Obama and another defeat for Republican fear mongering

Considering it seems the vote is barely veto proof, it's not much of a victory, is it?

It also means a dozen or so democrats think the deal smells.

So it means that you have a lot of posturing over the blank check they wrote Obama to start with.

Here's the thing, all these Democrats and Republicans who are thumping their chest know that the failure of this deal will be a disaster for AMERICA, not Iran.

Germany, the UK, France, Russia and China have already signed on to this deal. They are going to lift sanctions and start trading with Iran regardless of what we do. and they won't be too keen to press Iran on her Nuclear Program if we don't go along with it.

 

[JoeB131]

This is a good deal for the US. We can now supply Israel and Iran with arms and let them fight it out. All we need to do now is to undercut the Russians on price.

Russian state arms producer Almaz-Antey in June said it would supply Iran with a modernized version of the S-300, among the world’s most capable air defense systems, once a commercial agreement was reached.

“The text of the contract is ready and our friends will go to Russia next week to sign the contract,” Defense Minister Hossein Dehghan was quoted as saying by the Fars news agency.

Russia says it canceled a contract to deliver S-300s to Iran in 2010 under pressure from the West. But President Vladimir Putin lifted that self-imposed ban in April following the interim nuclear deal between Iran and world powers.

This would be the same Putin who is under economic pressure because we imposed sanctions on himover the Ukraine.

So the Zionists won't be able to fuck with Iran. Can't see that as a bad thing.