Obama not going to compromise

[rightwinger]

The answer, you uneducated dumbocrat, is the legislative branch. Apparently your incapable of even doing basic internet searches (but we already knew that based on the fact that you asked for data on what the national debt was when Obama took office).

No shit moron

The LEGISLATIVE BRANCH passed Social Security, Medicare, Veterans Benefits, aid to families with dependent children and Obamacare...

ALL involved the government taking care of people you dumb shit

"No shit" - yet you couldn't answer this in 10 posts...

So now that I taught you that, do you understand how ignorant your initial response was that "the Supreme Court passed it" was? The Supreme Court is part of the judicial branch you idiot. So they do NOT get to make law. Therefore, it is completely irrelevant what their position is on the ACA.

How sad that you scream "We The People" while not even understanding your own government. Legislative makes law stupid....

Do I have to hold your hand through this whole thread? Are you really this dumb?

Read post #90 moron. Congress IS the Legislative Branch

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If Congress passes a law that says the Government will take care of people then yes, taking care of people is a responsibility of the US Government

Examples?

Veterans benefits, Social Security, Welfare, Medicare ALL passed by Congress and ALL obligating the government to take care of people

Constitutional? You bet your ass......Upheld by the courts

NOW show where I ever said the Supreme Court passed a law instead of verified the Constitutionality

Ball is in your court pussy

 

[P@triot]

No shit moron

The LEGISLATIVE BRANCH passed Social Security, Medicare, Veterans Benefits, aid to families with dependent children and Obamacare...

ALL involved the government taking care of people you dumb shit

"No shit" - yet you couldn't answer this in 10 posts...

So now that I taught you that, do you understand how ignorant your initial response was that "the Supreme Court passed it" was? The Supreme Court is part of the judicial branch you idiot. So they do NOT get to make law. Therefore, it is completely irrelevant what their position is on the ACA.

How sad that you scream "We The People" while not even understanding your own government. Legislative makes law stupid....

Do I have to hold your hand through this whole thread? Are you really this dumb?

Read post #90 moron. Congress IS the Legislative Branch

.


If Congress passes a law that says the Government will take care of people then yes, taking care of people is a responsibility of the US Government

Examples?

Veterans benefits, Social Security, Welfare, Medicare ALL passed by Congress and ALL obligating the government to take care of people

Constitutional? You bet your ass......Upheld by the courts

NOW show where I ever said the Supreme Court passed a law instead of verified the Constitutionality

Ball is in your court pussy

Post #65 stupid: "Did you miss the Supreme Court decision on Obamacare? They do have the power to mandate insurance coverage."

You're entire point was that this bill was legal and Constitutional because the Supreme Court said so. The Supreme Court does NOT make the law. This bill was 100% unconstitutional, and just because a Supreme Court packed with radical communists (Sotomayor, Kagen, Ginnsburg) ignored the Constitution doesn't change the reality about this bill.

You are crazy ignorant - so I'm going to try and help you here (I realize I'm dealing with a minimum wage mental midget, but I'm doing everything in my power to help you):

Your argument is that Congress (legislative) empowered themselves to empower themselves to force citizens to purchase a good or service, and that the Supreme Court (judiciary) not stopping them is "proof" that this is Constitutional.

In your infinite ignorance (and laziness in not taking 10 minutes just ONCE in your miserable life to actually read the most important document in your life), you fail to realize that Congress does not have the power to empower themselves.

In order for the AHCA to have been Constitutional, Congress would have first needed to amend the Constitution granting the federal government the power to force citizens to purchase a good or service. Then, and only then, could they have created a bill like the AHCA. And once passed by both chambers and signed by the President, could it have been a constitutional law.

It's truly amazing that you believe Congress can create anything they want, and if they pass it, it is "legal".

 

[P@triot]

Once again Conservatives showing they have no understanding of context or just prefer to lie to America

At the time Pelosi spoke their were TWO healthcare bills. The Senate had to PASS a consolidated bill of the two before she could know what was in the final version

You guys really don't understand how government works do you?

Wait... is your latest spin on this now that Nancy Pelosi, at the time the third most powerful person in the entire world, didn't have the ability to get a copy of the bill that was being proposed in the Senate? That it HAD to be passed before she could "see what was in it"?

You're literally drowning in your own stupidity...

 

[rightwinger]

Once again Conservatives showing they have no understanding of context or just prefer to lie to America

At the time Pelosi spoke their were TWO healthcare bills. The Senate had to PASS a consolidated bill of the two before she could know what was in the final version

You guys really don't understand how government works do you?

Wait... is your latest spin on this now that Nancy Pelosi, at the time the third most powerful person in the entire world, didn't have the ability to get a copy of the bill that was being proposed in the Senate? That it HAD to be passed before she could "see what was in it"?

You're literally drowning in your own stupidity...

Difficult to deal with children

As powerful as Pelosi was, she could not know what would be in the final consolidated bill because there was none. It had to be passed through the Senate before she could know what was in it

 

[JoeB131]

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Obama doesn't hold all the cards, dude, he doesn't have congress.
Typical coming from a socialist like yourself...."screw compromise".
What a daft statement to make.

But here's the problem.

If we go over the cliff, people WILL blame the Republicans.

And if you think Republicans who won their districts by 55% like Peter Roskam in blue states are going to go "over the cliff" for Grover Norquist, you are delusional.

 

[P@triot]

Trickle Down was discredited in the 1980s

Still trying to sell a losing hand?

You need the weathly to provide jobs, pay taxes for schools, etc. Welfare doesn’t provide the necessary tax base. It’s not rocket science!

 

[rightwinger]

Trickle Down was discredited in the 1980s

Still trying to sell a losing hand?

You need the weathly to provide jobs, pay taxes for schools, etc. Welfare doesn’t provide the necessary tax base. It’s not rocket science!

Oh yes...I know

JOB CREATORS!

What happens when we give tax breaks to "Job Creators" ?

Do they create jobs? No....They just keep the money

 

[GuyPinestra]

Again you rely on Republican propaganda

congressmen have staff that thoroughly read and analyze legislation. They are briefed on everything they vote on. Especially Obamacare

Speaker Pelosi was talking about two healthcare bills, one in the house, one in the Senate.......of course she didn't know what would be in the final bill

Actually, I rely on fact while you rely on the typical left-wing propaganda (and spin - your take on Pelosi is as stupid as it is comical).

She said they had to PASS it first to find out what's in it. Which means exactly what it means. It had nothing to do with "two bills" you backpedalling, spin-machine, ignorant fuck. Why would you not insist on the "final bill" (as you say) FIRST before talking about passing it? If she didn't know, why was she advocating passing it?

I'm owning you... it's just embarrassing here.

Once again Conservatives showing they have no understanding of context or just prefer to lie to America

At the time Pelosi spoke their were TWO healthcare bills. The Senate had to PASS a consolidated bill of the two before she could know what was in the final version

You guys really don't understand how government works do you?

Explain something to me, winger.

How in the Hell is a Congresscritter supposed to make an intelligent and informed vote on a bill if he/she doesn't know what the fuck is in it?

How can you vote yea or nay on something you haven't even read?

Are you REALLY this stupid, or is it just that you have your lips superglued to the crack of Nancy Pelosi's ass?

 

[rightwinger]

Actually, I rely on fact while you rely on the typical left-wing propaganda (and spin - your take on Pelosi is as stupid as it is comical).

She said they had to PASS it first to find out what's in it. Which means exactly what it means. It had nothing to do with "two bills" you backpedalling, spin-machine, ignorant fuck. Why would you not insist on the "final bill" (as you say) FIRST before talking about passing it? If she didn't know, why was she advocating passing it?

I'm owning you... it's just embarrassing here.

Once again Conservatives showing they have no understanding of context or just prefer to lie to America

At the time Pelosi spoke their were TWO healthcare bills. The Senate had to PASS a consolidated bill of the two before she could know what was in the final version

You guys really don't understand how government works do you?

Explain something to me, winger.

How in the Hell is a Congresscritter supposed to make an intelligent and informed vote on a bill if he/she doesn't know what the fuck is in it?

How can you vote yea or nay on something you haven't even read?

Are you REALLY this stupid, or is it just that you have your lips superglued to the crack of Nancy Pelosi's ass?

Of course you know what is in a bill before you vote on it.

Pelosi was asked the question before the bill was consolidated between the House and Senate versions. She had no way of commenting on what the final bill would be.

 

[HUGGY]

This is exactly what I expected after the last 4 years. I say let it happen. I say the Republicans need to hold their ground and fight back. Obama plans to not compromise and then when the S#!& hits the fan to blame Republicans for not compromising. It is the last 4 years all over again and the end results will be the same. Republicans also need to not raise the debt ceiling. They should have learned over the past 4 years that Democrats are fine with not passing a budget and allowing the normal hikes in spending to occur. The Republicans should put the message out now and make it clear to the President and the Senate that the debt ceiling will not be raised and a balanced budget needs to be written to prevent disaster.


Obama Prepares to Jump the Cliff | Fox News

Obama won. He did not win on a platform of compromise. The compromise must come from the losers. That's how it works.

 

[P@triot]

Once again Conservatives showing they have no understanding of context or just prefer to lie to America

At the time Pelosi spoke their were TWO healthcare bills. The Senate had to PASS a consolidated bill of the two before she could know what was in the final version

You guys really don't understand how government works do you?

Wait... is your latest spin on this now that Nancy Pelosi, at the time the third most powerful person in the entire world, didn't have the ability to get a copy of the bill that was being proposed in the Senate? That it HAD to be passed before she could "see what was in it"?

You're literally drowning in your own stupidity...

Difficult to deal with children

As powerful as Pelosi was, she could not know what would be in the final consolidated bill because there was none. It had to be passed through the Senate before she could know what was in it

Now you're just being an asshole. Nobody can be this stupid. The "final consolidated bill" which was to be voted on could be provided to her PRIOR to vote.

But that aside, this wasn't even the case. She was talking about her own damn bill. You know it. I know it. The American people know it. As usual, you lose...

 

[rightwinger]

Wait... is your latest spin on this now that Nancy Pelosi, at the time the third most powerful person in the entire world, didn't have the ability to get a copy of the bill that was being proposed in the Senate? That it HAD to be passed before she could "see what was in it"?

You're literally drowning in your own stupidity...

Difficult to deal with children

As powerful as Pelosi was, she could not know what would be in the final consolidated bill because there was none. It had to be passed through the Senate before she could know what was in it

Now you're just being an asshole. Nobody can be this stupid. The "final consolidated bill" which was to be voted on could be provided to her PRIOR to vote.

But that aside, this wasn't even the case. She was talking about her own damn bill. You know it. I know it. The American people know it. As usual, you lose...

As usual, Conservatives take thing out of context

Pelosi defends her infamous health care remark - PostPartisan - The Washington Post

Her contention was that the Senate “didn’t have a bill.” And until the Senate produced an actual piece of legislation that could be matched up and debated against what was passed by the House, no one truly knew what would be voted on. “ “So, that’s why I was saying we have to pass a bill so we can see so that we can show you what it is and what it isn’t,” Pelosi continued. “It is none of these things. It’s not going to be any of these things.” She recognized that her comment was “a good statement to take out of context.” But the minority leader added, “But the fact is, until you have a bill, you can’t really, we can’t really debunk what they’re saying....”

 

[P@triot]

Once again Conservatives showing they have no understanding of context or just prefer to lie to America

At the time Pelosi spoke their were TWO healthcare bills. The Senate had to PASS a consolidated bill of the two before she could know what was in the final version

You guys really don't understand how government works do you?

Explain something to me, winger.

How in the Hell is a Congresscritter supposed to make an intelligent and informed vote on a bill if he/she doesn't know what the fuck is in it?

How can you vote yea or nay on something you haven't even read?

Are you REALLY this stupid, or is it just that you have your lips superglued to the crack of Nancy Pelosi's ass?

Of course you know what is in a bill before you vote on it.

Pelosi was asked the question before the bill was consolidated between the House and Senate versions. She had no way of commenting on what the final bill would be.

If she had "NO way of KNOWING", then why was she advocating that we "needed to PASS it". Do you see what an ignorant fucking tool you are, spinning everything for Nancy Pelosi because she'll throw you government table scraps? God Almighty are you fucking ass making such absurd arguments. You look like an idiot. YOU DON'T ADVOCATE PASSING SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN OR READ YET!!!!

 

[P@triot]

Actually, I rely on fact while you rely on the typical left-wing propaganda (and spin - your take on Pelosi is as stupid as it is comical).

She said they had to PASS it first to find out what's in it. Which means exactly what it means. It had nothing to do with "two bills" you backpedalling, spin-machine, ignorant fuck. Why would you not insist on the "final bill" (as you say) FIRST before talking about passing it? If she didn't know, why was she advocating passing it?

I'm owning you... it's just embarrassing here.

Once again Conservatives showing they have no understanding of context or just prefer to lie to America

At the time Pelosi spoke their were TWO healthcare bills. The Senate had to PASS a consolidated bill of the two before she could know what was in the final version

You guys really don't understand how government works do you?

Explain something to me, winger.

How in the Hell is a Congresscritter supposed to make an intelligent and informed vote on a bill if he/she doesn't know what the fuck is in it?

How can you vote yea or nay on something you haven't even read?

Are you REALLY this stupid, or is it just that you have your lips superglued to the crack of Nancy Pelosi's ass?

I fucking HATE people who can't just acknowledge the truth. I fucking HATE people who feel the need to live in a world of spin and lies, instead of just looking at the facts and doing what is right.

Every fucking member of Congress admitted that they didn't read the bill. They had something like 24 or 48 hours to vote on it by the time they had received the final copy of the 2,100 page bill. NOBODY read it, and this fucking asshole winger KNOWS it.

 

[P@triot]

Difficult to deal with children

As powerful as Pelosi was, she could not know what would be in the final consolidated bill because there was none. It had to be passed through the Senate before she could know what was in it

Now you're just being an asshole. Nobody can be this stupid. The "final consolidated bill" which was to be voted on could be provided to her PRIOR to vote.

But that aside, this wasn't even the case. She was talking about her own damn bill. You know it. I know it. The American people know it. As usual, you lose...

As usual, Conservatives take thing out of context

Pelosi defends her infamous health care remark - PostPartisan - The Washington Post

Her contention was that the Senate “didn’t have a bill.” And until the Senate produced an actual piece of legislation that could be matched up and debated against what was passed by the House, no one truly knew what would be voted on. “ “So, that’s why I was saying we have to pass a bill so we can see so that we can show you what it is and what it isn’t,” Pelosi continued. “It is none of these things. It’s not going to be any of these things.” She recognized that her comment was “a good statement to take out of context.” But the minority leader added, “But the fact is, until you have a bill, you can’t really, we can’t really debunk what they’re saying....”

Wait a second, according to Obama and the Supreme Court, this bill is a "TAX" and that's why it was "constitutional" (LMAO!). Well, taxes cannot originate from the Senate. They must be created by the House.

So now, to defend the ignorance of Nancy Pelosi, both YOU and her are proving this bill is unconstitutional! Which is what I said in the first place, and brings us full circle right back to the start! LMAO! Dealing with you just keeps getting better and better. The more you talk, the more you bury yourself and anyone you support...

The Senate and the House of Representatives are considered equal when it comes to legislative functions and powers with a few key exceptions. One of the most important exceptions is that, under the Constitution at Article 1, section 7, only the House of Representatives may originate revenue and tax bills:

All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.

U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 7 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

 

[rightwinger]

Now you're just being an asshole. Nobody can be this stupid. The "final consolidated bill" which was to be voted on could be provided to her PRIOR to vote.

But that aside, this wasn't even the case. She was talking about her own damn bill. You know it. I know it. The American people know it. As usual, you lose...

As usual, Conservatives take thing out of context

Pelosi defends her infamous health care remark - PostPartisan - The Washington Post

Her contention was that the Senate “didn’t have a bill.” And until the Senate produced an actual piece of legislation that could be matched up and debated against what was passed by the House, no one truly knew what would be voted on. “ “So, that’s why I was saying we have to pass a bill so we can see so that we can show you what it is and what it isn’t,” Pelosi continued. “It is none of these things. It’s not going to be any of these things.” She recognized that her comment was “a good statement to take out of context.” But the minority leader added, “But the fact is, until you have a bill, you can’t really, we can’t really debunk what they’re saying....”

Wait a second, according to Obama and the Supreme Court, this bill is a "TAX" and that's why it was "constitutional" (LMAO!). Well, taxes cannot originate from the Senate. They must be created by the House.

So now, to defend the ignorance of Nancy Pelosi, both YOU and her are proving this bill is unconstitutional! Which is what I said in the first place, and brings us full circle right back to the start! LMAO! Dealing with you just keeps getting better and better. The more you talk, the more you bury yourself and anyone you support...

The Senate and the House of Representatives are considered equal when it comes to legislative functions and powers with a few key exceptions. One of the most important exceptions is that, under the Constitution at Article 1, section 7, only the House of Representatives may originate revenue and tax bills:

All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.

U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 7 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Too ridiculous to respond to

Sorry...not biting

 

[GuyPinestra]

As usual, Conservatives take thing out of context

Pelosi defends her infamous health care remark - PostPartisan - The Washington Post

Her contention was that the Senate “didn’t have a bill.” And until the Senate produced an actual piece of legislation that could be matched up and debated against what was passed by the House, no one truly knew what would be voted on. “ “So, that’s why I was saying we have to pass a bill so we can see so that we can show you what it is and what it isn’t,” Pelosi continued. “It is none of these things. It’s not going to be any of these things.” She recognized that her comment was “a good statement to take out of context.” But the minority leader added, “But the fact is, until you have a bill, you can’t really, we can’t really debunk what they’re saying....”

Wait a second, according to Obama and the Supreme Court, this bill is a "TAX" and that's why it was "constitutional" (LMAO!). Well, taxes cannot originate from the Senate. They must be created by the House.

So now, to defend the ignorance of Nancy Pelosi, both YOU and her are proving this bill is unconstitutional! Which is what I said in the first place, and brings us full circle right back to the start! LMAO! Dealing with you just keeps getting better and better. The more you talk, the more you bury yourself and anyone you support...

The Senate and the House of Representatives are considered equal when it comes to legislative functions and powers with a few key exceptions. One of the most important exceptions is that, under the Constitution at Article 1, section 7, only the House of Representatives may originate revenue and tax bills:

All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.

U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 7 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Too ridiculous to respond to

Sorry...not biting

Translation: I cannot dispute what you have written so I will insert my fingers into my ears and scream "Nyah! Nyah! Nyah!" until you go away!"

 

[jillian]

This is exactly what I expected after the last 4 years. I say let it happen. I say the Republicans need to hold their ground and fight back. Obama plans to not compromise and then when the S#!& hits the fan to blame Republicans for not compromising. It is the last 4 years all over again and the end results will be the same. Republicans also need to not raise the debt ceiling. They should have learned over the past 4 years that Democrats are fine with not passing a budget and allowing the normal hikes in spending to occur. The Republicans should put the message out now and make it clear to the President and the Senate that the debt ceiling will not be raised and a balanced budget needs to be written to prevent disaster.


Obama Prepares to Jump the Cliff | Fox News

compromise doesn't mean he does what you want.

imagine that.

and i'm sure fauxnews is reliable.....

 

[Katzndogz]

obama is intent on jumping over the cliff. What the republicans need to do is remove both the landing cushion and the parachute.

 

[HUGGY]

This is exactly what I expected after the last 4 years. I say let it happen. I say the Republicans need to hold their ground and fight back. Obama plans to not compromise and then when the S#!& hits the fan to blame Republicans for not compromising. It is the last 4 years all over again and the end results will be the same. Republicans also need to not raise the debt ceiling. They should have learned over the past 4 years that Democrats are fine with not passing a budget and allowing the normal hikes in spending to occur. The Republicans should put the message out now and make it clear to the President and the Senate that the debt ceiling will not be raised and a balanced budget needs to be written to prevent disaster.


Obama Prepares to Jump the Cliff | Fox News

compromise doesn't mean he does what you want.

imagine that.

and i'm sure fauxnews is reliable.....

Obama ran on "A clear and distinct choice for America's future". He did not run on compromise. Most of America does not want Obama to compromise with the nasty republican losers. Imagine THAT! Get used to the idea that you lost. You RWers must wrap your minds around THAT as painfull as it must be...because Obama won and his will be done.