obama just committed political suicide.

[bigrebnc1775]

No, I don't think that's the case - I live in perhaps the most liberal state in the union and we have some of the most open and unrestricted gun laws in the nation. However, I do believe that most people who place gun laws as a high priority in elections are Republicans - NRA members, for example, certainly trend Republican.



it played a big part in it.



No, they didn't But the difference is that Clinton paid a political price for nothing in 1994, whereas Obama played a political price for actually getting reform passed.

No, I don't think that's the case - I live in perhaps the most liberal state in the union and we have some of the most open and unrestricted gun laws in the nation. However, I do believe that most people who place gun laws as a high priority in elections are Republicans - NRA members, for example, certainly trend Republican.

There's no way you will ever find out the political make up of gun owners, but I do not care who they are democrats libertrain republican if it was for more gun control they will be against it. The assault weapons ban was the straw that broke the donkeys back. You notice how silent obama has been about the subject? He's knows he's trending on thin ice thats why he taking his time, waiting to see how congress will go.

Completely pissed I'd say...do you say 'pissed' for 'drunk' in your country?
Hopefully you'll wake up sober and start making sense...although I suspect you've been pissed for a very long time.

Just because you have your head in the sand doesn't mean what I said does not make sense. Stay in New Zealand, where your safe under your government controlled country.

 

[idb]

There's no way you will ever find out the political make up of gun owners, but I do not care who they are democrats libertrain republican if it was for more gun control they will be against it. The assault weapons ban was the straw that broke the donkeys back. You notice how silent obama has been about the subject? He's knows he's trending on thin ice thats why he taking his time, waiting to see how congress will go.

Completely pissed I'd say...do you say 'pissed' for 'drunk' in your country?
Hopefully you'll wake up sober and start making sense...although I suspect you've been pissed for a very long time.

Just because you have your head in the sand doesn't mean what I said does not make sense. Stay in New Zealand, where your safe under your government controlled country.

No, you're right, I'll concede that there are all sorts of other reasons that you make no sense.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Completely pissed I'd say...do you say 'pissed' for 'drunk' in your country?
Hopefully you'll wake up sober and start making sense...although I suspect you've been pissed for a very long time.

Just because you have your head in the sand doesn't mean what I said does not make sense. Stay in New Zealand, where your safe under your government controlled country.

No, you're right, I'll concede that there are all sorts of other reasons that you make no sense.

Let's go back to the Steak vs. Bologna. example? You would never understand what steak taste like because all you have ever eaten is bologna.

 

[idb]

Just because you have your head in the sand doesn't mean what I said does not make sense. Stay in New Zealand, where your safe under your government controlled country.

No, you're right, I'll concede that there are all sorts of other reasons that you make no sense.

Let's go back to the Steak vs. Bologna. example? You would never understand what steak taste like because all you have ever eaten is bologna.

Well...I've been to Bologna, about three years ago...a lovely city.
I even went through the Ducati factory there.
I'm guessing that you are talking in metaphors when we suggest that I've eaten a city?
It's obviously American slang, or redneck maybe...
Please have patience with an Antipodean and explain what you mean.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No, you're right, I'll concede that there are all sorts of other reasons that you make no sense.

Let's go back to the Steak vs. Bologna. example? You would never understand what steak taste like because all you have ever eaten is bologna.

Well...I've been to Bologna, about three years ago...a lovely city.
I even went through the Ducati factory there.
I'm guessing that you are talking in metaphors when we suggest that I've eaten a city?
It's obviously American slang, or redneck maybe...
Please have patience with an Antipodean and explain what you mean.

bologna sandwich

 

[idb]

Let's go back to the Steak vs. Bologna. example? You would never understand what steak taste like because all you have ever eaten is bologna.

Well...I've been to Bologna, about three years ago...a lovely city.
I even went through the Ducati factory there.
I'm guessing that you are talking in metaphors when we suggest that I've eaten a city?
It's obviously American slang, or redneck maybe...
Please have patience with an Antipodean and explain what you mean.

bologna sandwich

I didn't see any of those there.
Are you sure it isn't a Vienna sandwich?
Or a Milan sandwich?
Rome perhaps?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Well...I've been to Bologna, about three years ago...a lovely city.
I even went through the Ducati factory there.
I'm guessing that you are talking in metaphors when we suggest that I've eaten a city?
It's obviously American slang, or redneck maybe...
Please have patience with an Antipodean and explain what you mean.

bologna sandwich

I didn't see any of those there.
Are you sure it isn't a Vienna sandwich?
Or a Milan sandwich?
Rome perhaps?

I would have thought you would have at least been given bologna by your government, sadly they must feed you horseshit. or is it sheepshit in your country?

 

[idb]

bologna sandwich

I didn't see any of those there.
Are you sure it isn't a Vienna sandwich?
Or a Milan sandwich?
Rome perhaps?

I would have thought you would have at least been given bologna by your government, sadly they must feed you horseshit. or is it sheepshit in your country?

Is it Foxshit in yours?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I didn't see any of those there.
Are you sure it isn't a Vienna sandwich?
Or a Milan sandwich?
Rome perhaps?

I would have thought you would have at least been given bologna by your government, sadly they must feed you horseshit. or is it sheepshit in your country?

Is it Foxshit in yours?

I provide myself with steak, no government additives for me.

 

[signelect]

A one term president is just what is called for. Let him contnue down this path and we can make it happen. Hey Mr. Pres. what about unemployment, out of control spending, terrible education and almost total lack of respect in the rest of the world. That is what you were elected to fix since good ole George messed it up. I forget, tell me what you have done.

Leave my guns alone, they have never hurt anyone.

 

[chikenwing]

The reactionary Far Right....too funny.

The same can be applied to the left ,pot meet kettle

 

[zeitgeist2012]

Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions

Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions [Mackinac Center]

Union Members Summary

Union Members Summary

You only have freedom from tyranny if you can remove it and replace it with something better, or if you can afford it. However, if you have to pay for the freedom to do what you want even if it is illegal, your still not free.

Your dwelling can be turned into a sort of social prison, and it has been for many. As long as you are tied to money and possessions your not truly free. You have to get money from someone to live and have in this world. If the person paying you is not paying you enough to keep a roof over your head, and the gov't takes what they want out of your pocket, your not free. If you have a family that the gov't indoctrinates, and controls in your stead, your not free. It all depends on the person and how they have come to see freedom.

Slaves can see themselves as free if they are feed and not made to suffer to harshly. This was evidenced after the civil war where many slaves chose to stay where they were because they were taken care of, and were to afraid to go out in the world to make it on their own. Many people who go to prison and other institutions become institutionalized and choose to stay where they are because they are afraid of the outside world, and do not know how to deal with it. Many of the Hebrews were mad at Moses for bringing them out of Egypt into the desert, and wanted to go back because they were use to their bondage and the very low standards of their existence.

This was addressed in Plato's Allegory of the Cave over two thousand years ago, and which is, ironically, the basis for the film The Matrix.

Here is where our new slavemasters are taking us:

Forced Global Eugenics:

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John Walsh: The Book of Rahm









Private Sector Unions

The few companies left with unions in my area have union freezes where you work for only a set number of days to avoid qualifying for union membership, and you work at a lower wage without benefits and then you get laidoff just before union qulification time period comes up. The companies also set wage caps so no matter how long you work at the company you will never rise above a set amount for the job position, and it is usually low paying with no mobility unless you work in management then you might make a little more. You usually have to work a lot of overtime. Some plants have bad health conditions. I have seen some companies manipulate many things to get around the law.

A Jewish owned food plant here is non-union and has a revolving door policy where workers who have been there for awhile are in fear of reaching wage caps limits because many get fired or laid off and replaced with cheaper labor. A couple companies have replaced long time employees with cheap immigrant labor on a permanent basis, and pissed off a lot of people in the communities. One seasonal company got caught smuggling in Mexicans who where dropped off at the front door of the welfare office once the season ended. Some of these immigrants ended up staying in the communuties selling drugs and other criminal activities. Pissed off a lot of people, too.

Workers, union or not, are at the complete tyranny of the employers. Many private sector unions are threatened to have their jobs sent over seas if they object to employer tyranny. Employer tyranny is not good for workers, families or America at all....

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[JakeStarkey]

zeit is a tool of oppression, obviously.

 

[zeitgeist2012]

Here are the real tools of oppression...

Decide Red-Green for yourself...

This is a very real threat among many we our now facing with our open borders, open political, economic, social programs, and educational policies and practices.... Subverted from within with the miscreants in our corporatocracy...

The Corporatocracy Systematically Destroying the American Middle Class: In 40 Years the Corporatocracy has Shifted Americans from a Sustainable Middle Class to a Perpetual Cycle of Debt Serfdom....

The Corporatocracy Systematically Destroying the American Middle Class: In 40 Years the Corporatocracy has Shifted Americans from a Sustainable Middle Class to a Perpetual Cycle of Debt Serfdom.

What is a Corporatocracy?

What is a Corporatocracy?

Samuel Johnston:
“It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans (Muslims), pagans, etc., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President or other high office, [unless] first the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves.[Elliot’s Debates, Vol. IV, pp 198-199, Governor Samuel Johnston, July 30, 1788 at the North Carolina Ratifying Convention."New Rule: With the Super Bowl only a week away,

Americans must realize what makes NFL football so great: socialism.

Bill Maher: New Rule: Americans Must Realize What Makes NFL Football So Great: Socialism

Obama Launches Total Media Takeover System

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Nazi Firearms Law...

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This is the first of two Shadow Elite columns on Organizing for America.

Do you know the President of the United States? No, we don't either, but you wouldn't know it from looking at our in-boxes, which have quite a few emails directly from, well, "Barack Obama," Vice President Biden, and a handful of deputies. Perhaps yours does too, if you're one of the 13 million people whose emails were collected during the 2008 presidential campaign.

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Hooray, the Super Rich Have Totally Recovered From the Collapse!

Hooray, the Super Rich Have Totally Recovered From the Collapse!

The Super-Rich Get Richer: Forbes 400 Are All Billionaires

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The Super Rich Are Out of Sight

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We Are All Socialists Now

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Untold Wealth - Rise of the Super Rich



Muslim terrorists in South America join forces with drug cartels

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Controversial Muslim cleric caught being smuggled into U.S. over Mexico border

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Details on the Red/Green Alliance

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[JakeStarkey]

Zeit, you and your folks are seriously delusional. Just put the bong down, back away slowly, then turn and run. Run very quickly away from your delusions.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Zeit, you and your folks are seriously delusional. Just put the bong down, back away slowly, then turn and run. Run very quickly away from your delusions.

no starkey you are on the left side of delusional.

 

[shintao]

For the amount of money spent on elections, it would seem both major parties would have their own media stations blarring 24/7.

 

[grunt11b]

For those of you who were somehow having wet dreams about another 4 years of obama as president may just have that dream killed if obama does what he says he will do. Any new law or changes made to existing laws will kill his dreams of a second term. I will add remembr what happen with the democrats when they started playing with guns in 1996



Obama To Push Gun Control Soon
NRA-ILA :: Obama To Push Gun Control Soon

Gun control has never been about guns, it's always been about control. You can believe this when I say it, they won't touch our guns, they will however regulate ammunition and reloading supplies, it's the only effective way they can go about doing away with guns without breaking constitutional law.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Zeit, you and your folks are seriously delusional.

His post is a bit disjointed, but I defy to refute any claim he made.

Notice that he cited and supported every one of them.

All you've got is your understanding of the latest HuffingGlue post talking points..

Zeit - 34
Starkey - 0

 

[Uncensored2008]

For the amount of money spent on elections, it would seem both major parties would have their own media stations blarring 24/7.

The democrats do, MSNBC.