Obama bypasses Congress on DREAM Act, stops deporting young illegals

[rightwinger]

No, Republicans say "this is not the Constitutional responsibility of the US government". Democrats say "fuck 'em - this is our chance to make promises we can't keep, spend money we don't have, and collapse the system so we can convince America that capitalism doesn't work - all while consolidating more and more power for our greedy selves by passing out money to those willing to trade freedom for handouts".

The "needs" of the people is completely irrelevant to the US government. And you would actually know that if you read the Constitution just once in your lazy life.

Yes...to you and your Libertarian circle jerk buddies it is not a role of the Government

To 300 million Americans and 235 years of history......It is

First, that is as fucking stupid as saying that 235 years of rape & murder proves that those things are ok and perfectly legal. Just because something illegal has been occuring for 200 years doesn't mean that the unlawful action magically becomes legal.

Second, the U.S. government has not been helping citizens for 235 years. They didn't start until the 1930's stupid. And that was after the rise of Marxism (late 1800's) and Communism (early 1900's).

Third, 300 million Americans do not agree with you. In fact, only 21% of America agrees with your ignorant, anti-constitutional Communism/Marxism/Socialism (or roughly an embarassing 66 million out of 330 million are registered Democrats ). All of the unconstitutional failed safety nets that are now collapsing this once great nation were implemented by ignorant liberals looking to trade other people's earnings (ie the American tax payer) for power: Social Security under FDR, Medicare & Medicaid under Lyndon B. Johnson, and Obamacare under Barack Hussein Obama.

Here is the way things work in the Great Constitutional Republic we call the United States

Find tens of millions of people who believe in a government structure like you do. Elect Representatives to carry out your views. Change the laws and have them withstand Constitutional scrutiny.

That is the way it has been done for 235 years

 

[Londoner]

Ronald Reagan passed the largest amnesty bill in the nation's history. He did this partly to break union control of labor.

I don't envy the Rightwing voter.

His party is lying to him.

His party is owned by a private sector that wants open borders so that American capital can have easier access to 3rd world labor and raw material. Libertarians don't want capital to be hedged in by "borders, language, culture" - they want capital to have maximum mobility. If someone can do a job for less money (and provide capital with a higher return on investment) than the logic of capitalism stipulates that a border should not stand in the way. Read Uncle Milty. We must not let externalities like "Culture" or "Language" or "Tradition" stand in the way of capitalism, which cares only about higher returns. If an illegal can do it cheaper, than that illegal must be let in. A border is an artificial obstacle between capital and resources. This is why Reagan did everything to tear the border down and build a global system. This is why HW and Clinton followed suit. They are all owned by the same private sector that wants a unitary, globally singular market system where a border NEVER stands in the way of capital's access to cheaper labor. NEVER.

(Fucking morons - you don't even know the theories behind your own beliefs, which are spoon fed to you by dear leader)

People should study Reagan's roll in building (and militarizing) the global market system. They should start by reading the labels on their clothing and toasters. They will see China, Vietnam, Grenada, Taiwan, etc. AGAIN: Capital doesn't want borders to limit its access to cheap labor (i.e., higher returns).

Do people have any idea how dependent Agriculture and Construction and Food Service and Hotel Service in places like southern california are on illegal labor? It's a profit bonanza.

You know how it works, right? Business pays congress for lax borders so they can have access to cheap labor. Then, talk radio exploits the xenophobic nativists fears of under-educated conservatives by using those same illegals to scare morons into the voting booth.

It's pure politics and it only works on idiots. Nixon and Clinton were brilliant at this kind of triangulation. The fact that Right still has voters that can be manipulated so easily is unfortunate.

(because these people vote)

Read the "Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism" by the brilliant conservative professor from Harvard, Daniel Bell. He details very nicely where our desire to give the market maximum freedom occasionally bumps into our values. The Cultural Contradictions Of Capitalism > Public Interest > National Affairs

(Why do you think Reagan and all subsequent presidents have been working so hard on strengthening the global market system? Because they are all owned by mega-corporations who don't want capital to be slowed down at every border. These corporations want a unitary set of laws and languages so they can more efficiently tap cheap labor and raw material. Capital wants immediate access to cheap Mexican labor so that it can deliver higher returns to shareholders. But capital also needs morons to vote for Republicans, because they favor maximum mobility for capital - so they pour money into Limbaugh, Hannity, and Savage who scare the serfs about the very illegals capital wants access to.)

(fucking morons. you're falling for it)

(Walmart is the largest retail contributor to the Right. They get all their manufacturing from freedom-hating China. The same Rightwing machine which pays Limbaugh to scare morons about illegals has been instrumental in shipping American prosperity overseas. The uber-private sector and their blessed free market have been instrumental in capital flight and breaking down borders. It's a joke. Turn off talk radio and go back to school. Study trade liberalization and neoliberalism. The "Borders, Language, Culture" mantra is being funded by the very people who are eviscerating borders and cultural autonomy. Stop supporting these people. If you want closed borders, you have to start by not being so easy to manipulate)

 

[P@triot]

Nonsense. We tried your safety net and people suffered

So your answer to a few people suffering is to make sure all people suffer? Great idea there stupid. We've allowed the self-destructive minority who suck at life and are not willing to work to make sure we all suffer.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery". - Winston Churchill

 

[JoeB131]

Again these nations are tougher than you think, because alot of what they do is unseen to the Americans eyes, where already we have got it way better than these nations have it now, but that isn't good enough yet for us, so we want to trump them, and to just go ahead and finish ourselves off, and do it without anyone saying a word about it, well that is OK, but when the children begin to fall under it all, then it's time to get tough again here ourselves, not easier. If we hadn't surcome to the liberal hippies in this nation convincing us in the past of a bunch of bull crap, with their free drug usage and sex gone wild, then the Sandusky's of this nation, who are many I believe now, would have thought twice about doing what he had done to so many peoples children, especially if hanging was still in affect to this day for such horrific crimes of such great maginitude. Keep on making excuses, and maybe we will sink a little bit lower than we are right now in this nation.

Sandusky was a guy who Republicans couldn't wait to get their picture taken with, until they found out what he was. (Whoops).

The fact is, our decline has had nothing to do with the social issues, it's had to do with the economic issues. That for the last 40 years, big corporations have been trying to break the American middle class, and all the accompanying problems you whine about have followed them.

We are not going to solve our problems by praying to Imaginary Sky Pixies. Nor are we going to resolve our problems by sexually repressing ourselves.

We aer going to resolve our problems by establishing economic justice and addressing problems straight on.

The War on Drugs is particularly telling.

Poor drug addicts get prison.

Rich drug addicts like Rush LImbaugh or Cindy McCain get rehab, suspended sentences, and people telling them how brave they are for confronting their demons.

That's the underlying problem. YOu really can't have it both ways, but you all try to. If rich drug addicts went to the same prisons poor ones did, maybe you'd have some real reform.

(Wait. Wait. Rottweiler is going to start screaming how this is COMMUNISM!!!!)

 

[thanatos144]

Ronald Reagan passed the largest amnesty bill in the nation's history. He did this partly to break union control of labor.

I don't envy the Rightwing voter.

His party is lying to him.

His party is owned by a private sector that wants open borders so that American capital can have easier access to 3rd world labor and raw material. Libertarians don't want capital to be hedged in by "borders, language, culture" - they want capital to have maximum mobility. If someone can do a job for less money (and provide capital with a higher return on investment) than the logic of capitalism stipulates that a border should not stand in the way. Read Uncle Milty. We must not let externalities like "Culture" or "Language" or "Tradition" stand in the way of capitalism, which cares only about higher returns. If an illegal can do it cheaper, than that illegal must be let in. A border is an artificial obstacle between capital and resources. This is why Reagan did everything to tear the border down and build a global system. This is why HW and Clinton followed suit. They are all owned by the same private sector that wants a unitary, globally singular market system where a border NEVER stands in the way of capital's access to cheaper labor. NEVER.

(Fucking morons - you don't even know the theories behind your own beliefs, which are spoon fed to you by dear leader)

People should study Reagan's roll in building (and militarizing) the global market system. They should start by reading the labels on their clothing and toasters. They will see China, Vietnam, Grenada, Taiwan, etc. AGAIN: Capital doesn't want borders to limit its access to cheap labor (i.e., higher returns).

Do people have any idea how dependent Agriculture and Construction and Food Service and Hotel Service in places like southern california are on illegal labor? It's a profit bonanza.

You know how it works, right? Business pays congress for lax borders so they can have access to cheap labor. Then, talk radio exploits the xenophobic nativists fears of under-educated conservatives by using those same illegals to scare morons into the voting booth.

It's pure politics and it only works on idiots. Nixon and Clinton were brilliant at this kind of triangulation. The fact that Right still has voters that can be manipulated so easily is unfortunate.

(because these people vote)

Read the "Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism" by the brilliant conservative professor from Harvard, Daniel Bell. He details very nicely where our desire to give the market maximum freedom occasionally bumps into our values. The Cultural Contradictions Of Capitalism > Public Interest > National Affairs

(Why do you think Reagan and all subsequent presidents have been working so hard on strengthening the global market system? Because they are all owned by mega-corporations who don't want capital to be slowed down at every border. These corporations want a unitary set of laws and languages so they can more efficiently tap cheap labor and raw material. Capital wants immediate access to cheap Mexican labor so that it can deliver higher returns to shareholders. But capital also needs morons to vote for Republicans, because they favor maximum mobility for capital - so they pour money into Limbaugh, Hannity, and Savage who scare the serfs about the very illegals capital wants access to.)

(fucking morons. you're falling for it)

(Walmart is the largest retail contributor to the Right. They get all their manufacturing from freedom-hating China. The same Rightwing machine which pays Limbaugh to scare morons about illegals has been instrumental in shipping American prosperity overseas. The uber-private sector and their blessed free market have been instrumental in capital flight and breaking down borders. It's a joke. Turn off talk radio and go back to school. Study trade liberalization and neoliberalism. The "Borders, Language, Culture" mantra is being funded by the very people who are eviscerating borders and cultural autonomy. Stop supporting these people. If you want closed borders, you have to start by not being so easy to manipulate)

I am thinking you are young and to stupid to understand the truth of what happened.

 

[rightwinger]

Nonsense. We tried your safety net and people suffered

So your answer to a few people suffering is to make sure all people suffer? Great idea there stupid. We've allowed the self-destructive minority who suck at life and are not willing to work to make sure we all suffer.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery". - Winston Churchill

All people are not suffering. We are the wealthiest and most powerful nation on earth. We also have among the lowest tax rates in the industrialized world. Wealthy nations have an obligation to look out for the general welfare of their people

 

[thanatos144]

Nonsense. We tried your safety net and people suffered

So your answer to a few people suffering is to make sure all people suffer? Great idea there stupid. We've allowed the self-destructive minority who suck at life and are not willing to work to make sure we all suffer.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery". - Winston Churchill

All people are not suffering. We are the wealthiest and most powerful nation on earth. We also have among the lowest tax rates in the industrialized world. Wealthy nations have an obligation to look out for the general welfare of their people

We have the highest corporate tax rates in the world dumb ass.

 

[rightwinger]

So your answer to a few people suffering is to make sure all people suffer? Great idea there stupid. We've allowed the self-destructive minority who suck at life and are not willing to work to make sure we all suffer.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery". - Winston Churchill

All people are not suffering. We are the wealthiest and most powerful nation on earth. We also have among the lowest tax rates in the industrialized world. Wealthy nations have an obligation to look out for the general welfare of their people

We have the highest corporate tax rats in the world dumb ass.

I agree......we do have Corporate tax rats

 

[beagle9]

Ronald Reagan passed the largest amnesty bill in the nation's history. He did this partly to break union control of labor.

I don't envy the Rightwing voter.

His party is lying to him.

His party is owned by a private sector that wants open borders so that American capital can have easier access to 3rd world labor and raw material. Libertarians don't want capital to be hedged in by "borders, language, culture" - they want capital to have maximum mobility. If someone can do a job for less money (and provide capital with a higher return on investment) than the logic of capitalism stipulates that a border should not stand in the way. Read Uncle Milty. We must not let externalities like "Culture" or "Language" or "Tradition" stand in the way of capitalism, which cares only about higher returns. If an illegal can do it cheaper, than that illegal must be let in. A border is an artificial obstacle between capital and resources. This is why Reagan did everything to tear the border down and build a global system. This is why HW and Clinton followed suit. They are all owned by the same private sector that wants a unitary, globally singular market system where a border NEVER stands in the way of capital's access to cheaper labor. NEVER.

(Fucking morons - you don't even know the theories behind your own beliefs, which are spoon fed to you by dear leader)

People should study Reagan's roll in building (and militarizing) the global market system. They should start by reading the labels on their clothing and toasters. They will see China, Vietnam, Grenada, Taiwan, etc. AGAIN: Capital doesn't want borders to limit its access to cheap labor (i.e., higher returns).

Do people have any idea how dependent Agriculture and Construction and Food Service and Hotel Service in places like southern california are on illegal labor? It's a profit bonanza.

You know how it works, right? Business pays congress for lax borders so they can have access to cheap labor. Then, talk radio exploits the xenophobic nativists fears of under-educated conservatives by using those same illegals to scare morons into the voting booth.

It's pure politics and it only works on idiots. Nixon and Clinton were brilliant at this kind of triangulation. The fact that Right still has voters that can be manipulated so easily is unfortunate.

(because these people vote)

Read the "Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism" by the brilliant conservative professor from Harvard, Daniel Bell. He details very nicely where our desire to give the market maximum freedom occasionally bumps into our values. The Cultural Contradictions Of Capitalism > Public Interest > National Affairs

(Why do you think Reagan and all subsequent presidents have been working so hard on strengthening the global market system? Because they are all owned by mega-corporations who don't want capital to be slowed down at every border. These corporations want a unitary set of laws and languages so they can more efficiently tap cheap labor and raw material. Capital wants immediate access to cheap Mexican labor so that it can deliver higher returns to shareholders. But capital also needs morons to vote for Republicans, because they favor maximum mobility for capital - so they pour money into Limbaugh, Hannity, and Savage who scare the serfs about the very illegals capital wants access to.)

(fucking morons. you're falling for it)

(Walmart is the largest retail contributor to the Right. They get all their manufacturing from freedom-hating China. The same Rightwing machine which pays Limbaugh to scare morons about illegals has been instrumental in shipping American prosperity overseas. The uber-private sector and their blessed free market have been instrumental in capital flight and breaking down borders. It's a joke. Turn off talk radio and go back to school. Study trade liberalization and neoliberalism. The "Borders, Language, Culture" mantra is being funded by the very people who are eviscerating borders and cultural autonomy. Stop supporting these people. If you want closed borders, you have to start by not being so easy to manipulate)

You are dead on accurate, but you would do better if didnot get so upset and begin the name calling in your post, and you are surprising to me by leaving out the other people (liberals) who have also fallen for it all hook line and sinker, where as what they have been doing in it all, is they are trying to secure their free hand outs through false promises given them, and if nessesary they think they can operate by force by use of the feds in which they feel they will control always in the public sector, who will get the private sector either by volunteer or by force, to promise them handouts as a side to the business that is conducted in the nations name by them. They (the liberals) will stand down and let everything go along as it will go (support it all) against their own will to fight as Americans in this fight also, because they feel they will be a direct recipient of the wealth generated by these capitalist in percentage of for their much needed handouts as will be found in it all for a large majority of Americans, yet no matter it still has a devastating affect down the road on both liberal and conservative once the whole thing is somehow cemented in with concrete, and all the promises do fail for all whom allowed it all in the end. I have been fighting against this kind of thing since the 90's in this nation (warning people about), and you are probably right that their are to many now who have bitten from the poisonous apple being fed them (including liberals), who can no longer grasp the bigger picture that lays within it all for Americans future. Good job!

 

[rightwinger]

Yea that's the ticket, flood the Country with worthless mexicans, god knows we have plenty of food banks,free school lunches , jails , entitlements, section 8 housing and hosipals to serve them all , after all its all free shit for the taking........

[H]

Mexicans are not worthless. They provide inexpensive labor to rich American capitalists

 

[ConservaDerrps]

I am blown away that anyone can be so totally ignorant to how case law and the Constitution works. Says a lot.

 

[thanatos144]

All people are not suffering. We are the wealthiest and most powerful nation on earth. We also have among the lowest tax rates in the industrialized world. Wealthy nations have an obligation to look out for the general welfare of their people

We have the highest corporate tax rats in the world dumb ass.

I agree......we do have Corporate tax rats

As normal showing your mental age.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

We have the highest corporate tax rats in the world dumb ass.

I agree......we do have Corporate tax rats

As normal showing your mental age.

Oh the irony.

 

[The T]

I agree......we do have Corporate tax rats

As normal showing your mental age.

Oh the irony.

YOU wouldn't know Irony if hit HIT you with the power of a GE AC6000CW barrelling down on you at 80mph with airhorn full blast.

IDIOT.

NOT eveything is ironic. YOUR use of it on these pages is overplayed and TIRED.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

You mad, bro?

 

[The T]

You mad, bro?

Animals as YOU go mad.

Humans get angry.

I'm sure the difference will be lost upon you...but none the less *I* just gave YOU an education.

Deal with it SON.

 

[rightwinger]

We have the highest corporate tax rats in the world dumb ass.

I agree......we do have Corporate tax rats

As normal showing your mental age.

I wouldn't go as far as call them Corporate Tax Rats. But, since you broached the subject, I guess it is appropriate

Hard working Americans are unable to shelter their income while the Corporate Tax Rats make their money here and send it overseas. The tax code was set up by Republicans to make it easy for Corporate entities and the wealthiest Americans to hide their true income in tax exempt loopholes

They are true Corporate Tax Rats

 

[ConservaDerrps]

You mad, bro?

Animals as YOU go mad.

Humans get angry.

I'm sure the difference will be lost upon you...but none the less *I* just gave YOU an education.

Deal with it SON.

Cool story.

 

[thanatos144]

I agree......we do have Corporate tax rats

As normal showing your mental age.

I wouldn't go as far as call them Corporate Tax Rats. But, since you broached the subject, I guess it is appropriate

Hard working Americans are unable to shelter their income while the Corporate Tax Rats make their money here and send it overseas. The tax code was set up by Republicans to make it easy for Corporate entities and the wealthiest Americans to hide their true income in tax exempt loopholes

They are true Corporate Tax Rats

You are so ignorant of facts that you are stuck doing nothing but making fun of a typo......Even then you get it wrong seeing as the tax rates were done by a democrat ran congress. Or do you forget that the senate has done nothing since republicans took the house ?

 

[rightwinger]

As normal showing your mental age.

I wouldn't go as far as call them Corporate Tax Rats. But, since you broached the subject, I guess it is appropriate

Hard working Americans are unable to shelter their income while the Corporate Tax Rats make their money here and send it overseas. The tax code was set up by Republicans to make it easy for Corporate entities and the wealthiest Americans to hide their true income in tax exempt loopholes

They are true Corporate Tax Rats

You are so ignorant of facts that you are stuck doing nothing but making fun of a typo......Even then you get it wrong seeing as the tax rates were done by a democrat ran congress. Or do you forget that the senate has done nothing since republicans took the house ?

Filibuster much?