NRA sues Seattle over recently passed 'safe storage' gun law

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Passing laws that are contrary to the State Constitution makes the city WRONG, the SAF and NRA are simply pointing that out.

This isn't the first time that the City of Seattle has passed laws in violation of the state preemption law, so they can't even claim that they were unaware that they couldn't do this.

 

[sparky]

Negligence

No, law abiding gun owners are being penalized because of the negligence of others. The fact that there is a gun involved is just an aside since stupid people do stupid things all of the time. So far this summer there have been reported over several dozen case of people forgetting their kids in their vehicles during high temperatures and those kids losing their lives as a result. The suggested "trick" to help them remember not to do this - put their cell phone in the back seat so that they'll be forced to look in the back seat before leaving their car.

They can remember to look for their phone but not to check that they haven't forgotten their kid?

As far as I am concerned, if a person doesn't inadvertently leave their weapon in a public place, they lock their doors & windows, arm any security system they may have, etc. the weapons are secured however if someone makes it past all of that and breaks in, that's not negligence, that's being victimized by a criminal. This new Seattle law makes no distinction between the two and the U.S. Supreme Court has already decided in Heller than requiring a weapon to be kept in a state that renders it useless for defense (requiring it to be locked up) is unconstitutional

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008),[1] is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully-owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.​

and that Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully-owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.

So proper gun ettiquette , that is taught by nra qualified instructors, is now un constitutional

How backasswards is that?

~S~

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Negligence

No, law abiding gun owners are being penalized because of the negligence of others. The fact that there is a gun involved is just an aside since stupid people do stupid things all of the time. So far this summer there have been reported over several dozen case of people forgetting their kids in their vehicles during high temperatures and those kids losing their lives as a result. The suggested "trick" to help them remember not to do this - put their cell phone in the back seat so that they'll be forced to look in the back seat before leaving their car.

They can remember to look for their phone but not to check that they haven't forgotten their kid?

As far as I am concerned, if a person doesn't inadvertently leave their weapon in a public place, they lock their doors & windows, arm any security system they may have, etc. the weapons are secured however if someone makes it past all of that and breaks in, that's not negligence, that's being victimized by a criminal. This new Seattle law makes no distinction between the two and the U.S. Supreme Court has already decided in Heller than requiring a weapon to be kept in a state that renders it useless for defense (requiring it to be locked up) is unconstitutional

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008),[1] is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully-owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.​

Wrong.

This is an incorrect reading of Heller, you clearly don't understand the ruling.

Indeed, the Supreme Court has never ruled on the constitutionality of gun storage laws. In 2015 the Court refused to hear a gun storage requirement case from California.

Gun storage laws are currently Constitutional until the Supreme Court rules otherwise.

 

[harmonica]

If 75% of firearms related fatalities in Seattle are suicides it seems to me that the uber liberal establishment in Seattle needs to focus on mental health.

The #1 priority in this country concerning mental health is to have this president evaluated ASAP.
It’s obvious that man is not right.

obvious-----to your brain
please prove it
if you make a claim, it's up to you to prove
if not, your claim is not true

 

[Defiant1]

If 75% of firearms related fatalities in Seattle are suicides it seems to me that the uber liberal establishment in Seattle needs to focus on mental health.

Yes. All we have to do is find a quick cure for mental illness. Shouldn't be too hard.

Padded cells work.

 

[sparky]

lotta constitutional confusion here.

but one would think 'retard w/gun' rises above and beyond such concerns

they drag all of us gun owners down

~S~

 

[OODA_Loop]

This is an incorrect reading of Heller, you clearly don't understand the ruling.

Indeed, the Supreme Court has never ruled on the constitutionality of gun storage laws. In 2015 the Court refused to hear a gun storage requirement case from California.

Gun storage laws are currently Constitutional until the Supreme Court rules otherwise.

SUMMARY OF D.C. V. HELLER


Heller v/ DC Holding; "The requirement that firearms in the home be rendered and kept inoperable at all times was unconstitutional because it made it impossible for citizens to use them for the core lawful purpose of self-defense" (Id., at 2818)

 

[OKTexas]

Passing laws that are contrary to the State Constitution makes the city WRONG, the SAF and NRA are simply pointing that out.

This isn't the first time that the City of Seattle has passed laws in violation of the state preemption law, so they can't even claim that they were unaware that they couldn't do this.

What can I say, regressives think they're "SPECIAL".


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[2aguy]

As predicted here

NRA sues Seattle over recently passed 'safe storage' gun law

BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The Second Amendment Foundation and NRA have filed a lawsuit against the City of Seattle over the city's recently passed "safe storage" gun requirement, claiming it violates the state's preemption statute.

The suit also names Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan, the Seattle Police Department and Chief Carmen Best. Durkan reacted to the suit Friday, “While they go to court – kids go to the hospital. We can’t prevent every gun death or injury, we can take steps to help prevent tragedies. I am grateful that legal experts who share our commitment to reducing gun violence are standing with us and standing up for safer communities.”

"We will prevail and will continue to push for more protection for our children," Durkan added.

SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb expressed frustration that Seattle is once again trying to pass its own gun laws.

“Seattle seems to think it should be treated differently than any other local government when it comes to firearm regulation,” Gottlieb said. "We should not have to repeatedly remind Seattle that they are still part of Washington state and must obey the law.”

Joining SAF and the NRA in the lawsuit are two Seattle residents who both own guns.
​

The NRA takes it upon itself to defend the irresponsible gun owner, and the criminal that wants a gun. This is common sense. If somebody is murdered with your gun because you were not responsible enough with it, you should pay a penalty.

No, it is not common sense and Heller already ruled it unConstitutional when it struck down gun safety locks.

Out of 320 million people, with 600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense...there were 495 accidental gun deaths in 2016...

38,748 accidental car deaths.......

This is simply a way to increase the cost of owning a gun and another way to place law abiding gun owners in legal jeapordy if they fail to jump through another useless hoop created by anti gunners who hate them...

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016

Gun.....495

Car.......38,748

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786

 

[2aguy]

This is an incorrect reading of Heller, you clearly don't understand the ruling.

Indeed, the Supreme Court has never ruled on the constitutionality of gun storage laws. In 2015 the Court refused to hear a gun storage requirement case from California.

Gun storage laws are currently Constitutional until the Supreme Court rules otherwise.

SUMMARY OF D.C. V. HELLER


Heller v/ DC Holding; "The requirement that firearms in the home be rendered and kept inoperable at all times was unconstitutional because it made it impossible for citizens to use them for the core lawful purpose of self-defense" (Id., at 2818)

Clayton likes to pretend he knows the Constitution......and then can't understand why we laugh at him..

 

[2aguy]

This is common sense. If somebody is murdered with your gun because you were not responsible enough with it, you should pay a penalty.

If I am the victim of a crime why in the hell should I be penalized?

The same reason that if you don't put a substantial locked fence around your pool, and a neighbor's kid sneaks in and drowns, you can be held liable. You didn't take reasonable precautions to prevent what you knew could happen.

If you have your gun in your house you have taken reasonable precautions...... if someone breaks into you home you are a victim....

 

[2aguy]

As predicted here

NRA sues Seattle over recently passed 'safe storage' gun law

BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The Second Amendment Foundation and NRA have filed a lawsuit against the City of Seattle over the city's recently passed "safe storage" gun requirement, claiming it violates the state's preemption statute.

The suit also names Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan, the Seattle Police Department and Chief Carmen Best. Durkan reacted to the suit Friday, “While they go to court – kids go to the hospital. We can’t prevent every gun death or injury, we can take steps to help prevent tragedies. I am grateful that legal experts who share our commitment to reducing gun violence are standing with us and standing up for safer communities.”

"We will prevail and will continue to push for more protection for our children," Durkan added.

SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb expressed frustration that Seattle is once again trying to pass its own gun laws.

“Seattle seems to think it should be treated differently than any other local government when it comes to firearm regulation,” Gottlieb said. "We should not have to repeatedly remind Seattle that they are still part of Washington state and must obey the law.”

Joining SAF and the NRA in the lawsuit are two Seattle residents who both own guns.
​

As most articles point out, this action is illegal..... Seattle cannot create new gun laws, because of Preemption laws... so yes, the NRA is going to win.

 

[2aguy]

Meanwhile in the news a 4 yr old kills a 2 yr old .... because safe gun storage is such a BAD IDEA.

4-year-old boy accidentally shoots, kills 2-year-old cousin; grandfather arrested

Hey..... moron...... you should read your link before you post...... the grandfather was arrested because he was a felon in possession of a gun illegally you moron....... he could not legally buy, own or carry that gun in the first place you dope...so he was already a felon, again, for simply having that gun...and, genius, if he was willing to get another felony to own that gun, that gun safe storage law wasn't going to stop him, you doofus....


Oh.....and this link of yours highlights that the majority of gun accidents involving children is a result of a criminal with a gun they can't legally have, that they leave around because they are criminals who are not freaking responsible in the first place...

You moron....

Which gun laws stopped this felon from having the gun in the first place......? And how was the safe storage law going to stop this felon with an illegal gun from not storing that gun safely, you doofus...

The victim's grandfather, Cesar Lopez, 53, was arrested and charged with child endangerment and being a felon in possession of a firearm, the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department announced on Twitter.

 

[BlackFlag]

As predicted here

NRA sues Seattle over recently passed 'safe storage' gun law

BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The Second Amendment Foundation and NRA have filed a lawsuit against the City of Seattle over the city's recently passed "safe storage" gun requirement, claiming it violates the state's preemption statute.

The suit also names Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan, the Seattle Police Department and Chief Carmen Best. Durkan reacted to the suit Friday, “While they go to court – kids go to the hospital. We can’t prevent every gun death or injury, we can take steps to help prevent tragedies. I am grateful that legal experts who share our commitment to reducing gun violence are standing with us and standing up for safer communities.”

"We will prevail and will continue to push for more protection for our children," Durkan added.

SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb expressed frustration that Seattle is once again trying to pass its own gun laws.

“Seattle seems to think it should be treated differently than any other local government when it comes to firearm regulation,” Gottlieb said. "We should not have to repeatedly remind Seattle that they are still part of Washington state and must obey the law.”

Joining SAF and the NRA in the lawsuit are two Seattle residents who both own guns.
​

The NRA takes it upon itself to defend the irresponsible gun owner, and the criminal that wants a gun. This is common sense. If somebody is murdered with your gun because you were not responsible enough with it, you should pay a penalty.

No, it is not common sense and Heller already ruled it unConstitutional when it struck down gun safety locks.

Out of 320 million people, with 600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense...there were 495 accidental gun deaths in 2016...

38,748 accidental car deaths.......

This is simply a way to increase the cost of owning a gun and another way to place law abiding gun owners in legal jeapordy if they fail to jump through another useless hoop created by anti gunners who hate them...

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016

Gun.....495

Car.......38,748

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786

If it takes an amendment to the constitution itself, it's worth it. The only problem worse than over 400 million guns being in the country, is having so many millions of irresponsible gun owners making all gun laws impossible to enforce.

 

[2aguy]

As predicted here

NRA sues Seattle over recently passed 'safe storage' gun law

BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The Second Amendment Foundation and NRA have filed a lawsuit against the City of Seattle over the city's recently passed "safe storage" gun requirement, claiming it violates the state's preemption statute.

The suit also names Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan, the Seattle Police Department and Chief Carmen Best. Durkan reacted to the suit Friday, “While they go to court – kids go to the hospital. We can’t prevent every gun death or injury, we can take steps to help prevent tragedies. I am grateful that legal experts who share our commitment to reducing gun violence are standing with us and standing up for safer communities.”

"We will prevail and will continue to push for more protection for our children," Durkan added.

SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb expressed frustration that Seattle is once again trying to pass its own gun laws.

“Seattle seems to think it should be treated differently than any other local government when it comes to firearm regulation,” Gottlieb said. "We should not have to repeatedly remind Seattle that they are still part of Washington state and must obey the law.”

Joining SAF and the NRA in the lawsuit are two Seattle residents who both own guns.
​

The NRA takes it upon itself to defend the irresponsible gun owner, and the criminal that wants a gun. This is common sense. If somebody is murdered with your gun because you were not responsible enough with it, you should pay a penalty.

No, it is not common sense and Heller already ruled it unConstitutional when it struck down gun safety locks.

Out of 320 million people, with 600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense...there were 495 accidental gun deaths in 2016...

38,748 accidental car deaths.......

This is simply a way to increase the cost of owning a gun and another way to place law abiding gun owners in legal jeapordy if they fail to jump through another useless hoop created by anti gunners who hate them...

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016

Gun.....495

Car.......38,748

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786

If it takes an amendment to the constitution itself, it's worth it. The only problem worse than over 400 million guns being in the country, is having so many millions of irresponsible gun owners making all gun laws impossible to enforce.

What irresponsible gun owners? Gun accidents and accidental deaths have been going down, not up, as more Americans own and actually carry guns......you are lying, and or an idiot, likely both, the facts, the truth and reality show you don't know what you are talking about....

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html


2016 495
2015...489http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824
non Fatal gun accidents....
WISQARS Nonfatal Injury Reports

Non fatal gun injury stats from 1999......

Nonfatal and Fatal Firearm-Related Injuries -- United States, 1993-1997

CDC non fatal gun accident.....

1993... 104,390

1994... 89,744

1995... 84,322

1996... 69,649

1997... 64,207

2001.... 17,696

2002... 17,579

2003... 18,941

2004... 16,555

2005... 15,388

2006... 14,678

2007... 15,698

2008... 17,215

2009... 18,610

2010... 14,161

2011... 14,675

2012... 17,362

2013... 16,864

2014..... 15,928

 

[2aguy]

As predicted here

NRA sues Seattle over recently passed 'safe storage' gun law

BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The Second Amendment Foundation and NRA have filed a lawsuit against the City of Seattle over the city's recently passed "safe storage" gun requirement, claiming it violates the state's preemption statute.

The suit also names Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan, the Seattle Police Department and Chief Carmen Best. Durkan reacted to the suit Friday, “While they go to court – kids go to the hospital. We can’t prevent every gun death or injury, we can take steps to help prevent tragedies. I am grateful that legal experts who share our commitment to reducing gun violence are standing with us and standing up for safer communities.”

"We will prevail and will continue to push for more protection for our children," Durkan added.

SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb expressed frustration that Seattle is once again trying to pass its own gun laws.

“Seattle seems to think it should be treated differently than any other local government when it comes to firearm regulation,” Gottlieb said. "We should not have to repeatedly remind Seattle that they are still part of Washington state and must obey the law.”

Joining SAF and the NRA in the lawsuit are two Seattle residents who both own guns.
​

The NRA takes it upon itself to defend the irresponsible gun owner, and the criminal that wants a gun. This is common sense. If somebody is murdered with your gun because you were not responsible enough with it, you should pay a penalty.

No, it is not common sense and Heller already ruled it unConstitutional when it struck down gun safety locks.

Out of 320 million people, with 600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense...there were 495 accidental gun deaths in 2016...

38,748 accidental car deaths.......

This is simply a way to increase the cost of owning a gun and another way to place law abiding gun owners in legal jeapordy if they fail to jump through another useless hoop created by anti gunners who hate them...

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016

Gun.....495

Car.......38,748

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786

If it takes an amendment to the constitution itself, it's worth it. The only problem worse than over 400 million guns being in the country, is having so many millions of irresponsible gun owners making all gun laws impossible to enforce.

And you don't know what you are talking about on this issue, so you should put in more actual research..

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

This is an incorrect reading of Heller, you clearly don't understand the ruling.

Indeed, the Supreme Court has never ruled on the constitutionality of gun storage laws. In 2015 the Court refused to hear a gun storage requirement case from California.

Gun storage laws are currently Constitutional until the Supreme Court rules otherwise.

SUMMARY OF D.C. V. HELLER


Heller v/ DC Holding; "The requirement that firearms in the home be rendered and kept inoperable at all times was unconstitutional because it made it impossible for citizens to use them for the core lawful purpose of self-defense" (Id., at 2818)

Also wrong.

The Seattle ordinance doesn’t require firearms to be inoperable at all times, merely secured, which is why the law is not un-Constitutional.

And again, the Supreme Court refused to hear a similar San Francisco requirement, letting stand an appellate court ruling that requiring firearms to be locked or securely stored doesn’t violate the Second Amendment.

 

[2aguy]

This is an incorrect reading of Heller, you clearly don't understand the ruling.

Indeed, the Supreme Court has never ruled on the constitutionality of gun storage laws. In 2015 the Court refused to hear a gun storage requirement case from California.

Gun storage laws are currently Constitutional until the Supreme Court rules otherwise.

SUMMARY OF D.C. V. HELLER


Heller v/ DC Holding; "The requirement that firearms in the home be rendered and kept inoperable at all times was unconstitutional because it made it impossible for citizens to use them for the core lawful purpose of self-defense" (Id., at 2818)

Also wrong.

The Seattle ordinance doesn’t require firearms to be inoperable at all times, merely secured, which is why the law is not un-Constitutional.

And again, the Supreme Court refused to hear a similar San Francisco requirement, letting stand an appellate court ruling that requiring firearms to be locked or securely stored doesn’t violate the Second Amendment.

Not hearing the case doesn't make it Constutional, and you know that.....and Heller already ruled on this with the point "Impossible for citizens to use them..." So please, don't pretend to be something you aren't...

And Seattle is breaking State law, so they are already behind the 8 ball.

 

[BULLDOG]

This is common sense. If somebody is murdered with your gun because you were not responsible enough with it, you should pay a penalty.

If I am the victim of a crime why in the hell should I be penalized?

The same reason that if you don't put a substantial locked fence around your pool, and a neighbor's kid sneaks in and drowns, you can be held liable. You didn't take reasonable precautions to prevent what you knew could happen.

If you have your gun in your house you have taken reasonable precautions...... if someone breaks into you home you are a victim....

Just like the kid that trespasses on your land to drown in your pool?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

As predicted here

NRA sues Seattle over recently passed 'safe storage' gun law

BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The Second Amendment Foundation and NRA have filed a lawsuit against the City of Seattle over the city's recently passed "safe storage" gun requirement, claiming it violates the state's preemption statute.

The suit also names Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan, the Seattle Police Department and Chief Carmen Best. Durkan reacted to the suit Friday, “While they go to court – kids go to the hospital. We can’t prevent every gun death or injury, we can take steps to help prevent tragedies. I am grateful that legal experts who share our commitment to reducing gun violence are standing with us and standing up for safer communities.”

"We will prevail and will continue to push for more protection for our children," Durkan added.

SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb expressed frustration that Seattle is once again trying to pass its own gun laws.

“Seattle seems to think it should be treated differently than any other local government when it comes to firearm regulation,” Gottlieb said. "We should not have to repeatedly remind Seattle that they are still part of Washington state and must obey the law.”

Joining SAF and the NRA in the lawsuit are two Seattle residents who both own guns.
​

It won't hold up even if the State were to try and adopt it. Heller V DC already settled that.