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Wrong.No, law abiding gun owners are being penalized because of the negligence of others. The fact that there is a gun involved is just an aside since stupid people do stupid things all of the time. So far this summer there have been reported over several dozen case of people forgetting their kids in their vehicles during high temperatures and those kids losing their lives as a result. The suggested "trick" to help them remember not to do this - put their cell phone in the back seat so that they'll be forced to look in the back seat before leaving their car.Negligence
They can remember to look for their phone but not to check that they haven't forgotten their kid?
As far as I am concerned, if a person doesn't inadvertently leave their weapon in a public place, they lock their doors & windows, arm any security system they may have, etc. the weapons are secured however if someone makes it past all of that and breaks in, that's not negligence, that's being victimized by a criminal. This new Seattle law makes no distinction between the two and the U.S. Supreme Court has already decided in Heller than requiring a weapon to be kept in a state that renders it useless for defense (requiring it to be locked up) is unconstitutional
District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008),[1] is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully-owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.
This is an incorrect reading of Heller, you clearly don't understand the ruling.
Indeed, the Supreme Court has never ruled on the constitutionality of gun storage laws. In 2015 the Court refused to hear a gun storage requirement case from California.
Gun storage laws are currently Constitutional until the Supreme Court rules otherwise.
In order to side with the law, you need to understand the law – and clearly you’re not understanding the law.Wrong.No, law abiding gun owners are being penalized because of the negligence of others. The fact that there is a gun involved is just an aside since stupid people do stupid things all of the time. So far this summer there have been reported over several dozen case of people forgetting their kids in their vehicles during high temperatures and those kids losing their lives as a result. The suggested "trick" to help them remember not to do this - put their cell phone in the back seat so that they'll be forced to look in the back seat before leaving their car.Negligence
They can remember to look for their phone but not to check that they haven't forgotten their kid?
As far as I am concerned, if a person doesn't inadvertently leave their weapon in a public place, they lock their doors & windows, arm any security system they may have, etc. the weapons are secured however if someone makes it past all of that and breaks in, that's not negligence, that's being victimized by a criminal. This new Seattle law makes no distinction between the two and the U.S. Supreme Court has already decided in Heller than requiring a weapon to be kept in a state that renders it useless for defense (requiring it to be locked up) is unconstitutional
District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008),[1] is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully-owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.
This is an incorrect reading of Heller, you clearly don't understand the ruling.
Indeed, the Supreme Court has never ruled on the constitutionality of gun storage laws. In 2015 the Court refused to hear a gun storage requirement case from California.
Gun storage laws are currently Constitutional until the Supreme Court rules otherwise.
Hate to bust your bubble but Heller V DC dealt with Hanguns in the Home and the right to have them. And to have them operational on hand if you want to. I just got through hammering the law into the gun crazies so don't think I won't hammer away at you as well. I don't side with either side. I side with the law.
And you’re still not understanding the issue.As predicted here
NRA sues Seattle over recently passed 'safe storage' gun law
BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The Second Amendment Foundation and NRA have filed a lawsuit against the City of Seattle over the city's recently passed "safe storage" gun requirement, claiming it violates the state's preemption statute.
The suit also names Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan, the Seattle Police Department and Chief Carmen Best. Durkan reacted to the suit Friday, “While they go to court – kids go to the hospital. We can’t prevent every gun death or injury, we can take steps to help prevent tragedies. I am grateful that legal experts who share our commitment to reducing gun violence are standing with us and standing up for safer communities.”
"We will prevail and will continue to push for more protection for our children," Durkan added.
SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb expressed frustration that Seattle is once again trying to pass its own gun laws.
“Seattle seems to think it should be treated differently than any other local government when it comes to firearm regulation,” Gottlieb said. "We should not have to repeatedly remind Seattle that they are still part of Washington state and must obey the law.”
Joining SAF and the NRA in the lawsuit are two Seattle residents who both own guns.
It won't hold up even if the State were to try and adopt it. Heller V DC already settled that.
medicine/mouthwash/cleaning supplies must have child resistant packaging
you must get a doctor's ok to get some medicine
Child-Resistant PackagingThe complete list of substances requiring C-R packaging can be found in 16 CFR §1700.14. Specific examples of products available OTC and requiring C-R packaging include:
- acetaminophen
- aspirin
- diphenhydramine
- ibuprofen
- iron-containing drugs and dietary supplements
- imidazolines
- methyl salicylate
- mouthwash
- naproxen
- OTC switch drugs
...it's only logical and sensical to require child resistant/etc for firearms --that are directly designed to kill
..the NY prisoners that escaped got their weapon from an unoccupied dwelling
...Shooting of Kathryn Steinle - Wikipedia
etc etc
many guns stolen from cars
.....I had one accident in about 4 years....the guy I ran into said he had a pistol stolen from his car.....chances of that happening??
As predicted here
NRA sues Seattle over recently passed 'safe storage' gun law
BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The Second Amendment Foundation and NRA have filed a lawsuit against the City of Seattle over the city's recently passed "safe storage" gun requirement, claiming it violates the state's preemption statute.
The suit also names Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan, the Seattle Police Department and Chief Carmen Best. Durkan reacted to the suit Friday, “While they go to court – kids go to the hospital. We can’t prevent every gun death or injury, we can take steps to help prevent tragedies. I am grateful that legal experts who share our commitment to reducing gun violence are standing with us and standing up for safer communities.”
"We will prevail and will continue to push for more protection for our children," Durkan added.
SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb expressed frustration that Seattle is once again trying to pass its own gun laws.
“Seattle seems to think it should be treated differently than any other local government when it comes to firearm regulation,” Gottlieb said. "We should not have to repeatedly remind Seattle that they are still part of Washington state and must obey the law.”
Joining SAF and the NRA in the lawsuit are two Seattle residents who both own guns.
I'm not following you. The Heller decision states inter aliaGun storage laws are currently Constitutional until the Supreme Court rules otherwise.
I'm not an attorney so I have to research some of what I post in order to get clarification, nonetheless these are things that I know or have found outIn order to side with the law, you need to understand the law – and clearly you’re not understanding the law.
The Heller Court said nothing about laws that require operational firearms to be secured; if it did then the lower courts would have struck down San Francisco’s secure storage requirement ordinance in 2015 pursuant to Heller; the lower courts instead upheld such laws as Constitutional because Heller didn’t determine those measures to be un-Constitutional.
If the Heller Court had ruled that measures requiring operational firearms to be secured were un-Constitutional then there would be no need for the Supreme Court to refuse to hear a challenge to the appellate court’s ruling holding the ordinance to be Constitutional when the Supreme Court earlier ruled it to be un-Constitutional.
Perhaps the link below where the Supreme Court refused to hear a challenge to the appellate court’s ruling in 2015 will help you and others to understand:
‘The U.S. Supreme Court rejected efforts by gun owners and the National Rifle Association on Monday to halt San Francisco’s enforcement of a 2007 ordinance requiring residents to keep handguns locked when stored at home.
[…]
Under the San Francisco ordinance, handgun owners can keep their weapons at home but must keep them locked in safes or disabled by trigger locks when not using them.
Gun advocates argued that the law interferes with the right of self-defense that was constitutionally protected by the Supreme Court’s 2008 ruling. But a three-judge panel of the appeals court in March refused to halt enforcement of the ordinance, saying it does not interfere with the right of self-defense or seriously hamper a gun owner’s ability to use a weapon.
Because trigger locks and modern gun safes can be opened quickly, a stored or locked handgun “may be readily accessed in case of an emergency,” Judge Sandra Ikuta said in the appeals court’s ruling. “Provided San Franciscans comply with the storage requirement, they are free to use handguns to defend their home while carrying them on their persons.”’
https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/High-court-lets-stand-S-F-s-gun-control-law-6313731.php
And since 2015 the Court has not ruled on the Constitutionality of laws requiring firearms to be secured.
So, no ‘bursting’ of ‘bubbles.’
But you don't have to keep those drugs in those bottles after you buy them do you?medicine/mouthwash/cleaning supplies must have child resistant packaging
you must get a doctor's ok to get some medicine
Child-Resistant PackagingThe complete list of substances requiring C-R packaging can be found in 16 CFR §1700.14. Specific examples of products available OTC and requiring C-R packaging include:
- acetaminophen
- aspirin
- diphenhydramine
- ibuprofen
- iron-containing drugs and dietary supplements
- imidazolines
- methyl salicylate
- mouthwash
- naproxen
- OTC switch drugs
...it's only logical and sensical to require child resistant/etc for firearms --that are directly designed to kill
..the NY prisoners that escaped got their weapon from an unoccupied dwelling
...Shooting of Kathryn Steinle - Wikipedia
etc etc
many guns stolen from cars
.....I had one accident in about 4 years....the guy I ran into said he had a pistol stolen from his car.....chances of that happening??
The NRA takes it upon itself to defend the irresponsible gun owner, and the criminal that wants a gun. This is common sense. If somebody is murdered with your gun because you were not responsible enough with it, you should pay a penalty.As predicted here
NRA sues Seattle over recently passed 'safe storage' gun law
BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The Second Amendment Foundation and NRA have filed a lawsuit against the City of Seattle over the city's recently passed "safe storage" gun requirement, claiming it violates the state's preemption statute.
The suit also names Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan, the Seattle Police Department and Chief Carmen Best. Durkan reacted to the suit Friday, “While they go to court – kids go to the hospital. We can’t prevent every gun death or injury, we can take steps to help prevent tragedies. I am grateful that legal experts who share our commitment to reducing gun violence are standing with us and standing up for safer communities.”
"We will prevail and will continue to push for more protection for our children," Durkan added.
SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb expressed frustration that Seattle is once again trying to pass its own gun laws.
“Seattle seems to think it should be treated differently than any other local government when it comes to firearm regulation,” Gottlieb said. "We should not have to repeatedly remind Seattle that they are still part of Washington state and must obey the law.”
Joining SAF and the NRA in the lawsuit are two Seattle residents who both own guns.
In order to side with the law, you need to understand the law – and clearly you’re not understanding the law.Wrong.No, law abiding gun owners are being penalized because of the negligence of others. The fact that there is a gun involved is just an aside since stupid people do stupid things all of the time. So far this summer there have been reported over several dozen case of people forgetting their kids in their vehicles during high temperatures and those kids losing their lives as a result. The suggested "trick" to help them remember not to do this - put their cell phone in the back seat so that they'll be forced to look in the back seat before leaving their car.Negligence
They can remember to look for their phone but not to check that they haven't forgotten their kid?
As far as I am concerned, if a person doesn't inadvertently leave their weapon in a public place, they lock their doors & windows, arm any security system they may have, etc. the weapons are secured however if someone makes it past all of that and breaks in, that's not negligence, that's being victimized by a criminal. This new Seattle law makes no distinction between the two and the U.S. Supreme Court has already decided in Heller than requiring a weapon to be kept in a state that renders it useless for defense (requiring it to be locked up) is unconstitutional
District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008),[1] is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully-owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.
This is an incorrect reading of Heller, you clearly don't understand the ruling.
Indeed, the Supreme Court has never ruled on the constitutionality of gun storage laws. In 2015 the Court refused to hear a gun storage requirement case from California.
Gun storage laws are currently Constitutional until the Supreme Court rules otherwise.
Hate to bust your bubble but Heller V DC dealt with Hanguns in the Home and the right to have them. And to have them operational on hand if you want to. I just got through hammering the law into the gun crazies so don't think I won't hammer away at you as well. I don't side with either side. I side with the law.
The Heller Court said nothing about laws that require operational firearms to be secured; if it did then the lower courts would have struck down San Francisco’s secure storage requirement ordinance in 2015 pursuant to Heller; the lower courts instead upheld such laws as Constitutional because Heller didn’t determine those measures to be un-Constitutional.
If the Heller Court had ruled that measures requiring operational firearms to be secured were un-Constitutional then there would be no need for the Supreme Court to refuse to hear a challenge to the appellate court’s ruling holding the ordinance to be Constitutional when the Supreme Court earlier ruled it to be un-Constitutional.
Perhaps the link below where the Supreme Court refused to hear a challenge to the appellate court’s ruling in 2015 will help you and others to understand:
‘The U.S. Supreme Court rejected efforts by gun owners and the National Rifle Association on Monday to halt San Francisco’s enforcement of a 2007 ordinance requiring residents to keep handguns locked when stored at home.
[…]
Under the San Francisco ordinance, handgun owners can keep their weapons at home but must keep them locked in safes or disabled by trigger locks when not using them.
Gun advocates argued that the law interferes with the right of self-defense that was constitutionally protected by the Supreme Court’s 2008 ruling. But a three-judge panel of the appeals court in March refused to halt enforcement of the ordinance, saying it does not interfere with the right of self-defense or seriously hamper a gun owner’s ability to use a weapon.
Because trigger locks and modern gun safes can be opened quickly, a stored or locked handgun “may be readily accessed in case of an emergency,” Judge Sandra Ikuta said in the appeals court’s ruling. “Provided San Franciscans comply with the storage requirement, they are free to use handguns to defend their home while carrying them on their persons.”’
https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/High-court-lets-stand-S-F-s-gun-control-law-6313731.php
And since 2015 the Court has not ruled on the Constitutionality of laws requiring firearms to be secured.
So, no ‘bursting’ of ‘bubbles.’
And you’re still not understanding the issue.As predicted here
NRA sues Seattle over recently passed 'safe storage' gun law
BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The Second Amendment Foundation and NRA have filed a lawsuit against the City of Seattle over the city's recently passed "safe storage" gun requirement, claiming it violates the state's preemption statute.
The suit also names Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan, the Seattle Police Department and Chief Carmen Best. Durkan reacted to the suit Friday, “While they go to court – kids go to the hospital. We can’t prevent every gun death or injury, we can take steps to help prevent tragedies. I am grateful that legal experts who share our commitment to reducing gun violence are standing with us and standing up for safer communities.”
"We will prevail and will continue to push for more protection for our children," Durkan added.
SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb expressed frustration that Seattle is once again trying to pass its own gun laws.
“Seattle seems to think it should be treated differently than any other local government when it comes to firearm regulation,” Gottlieb said. "We should not have to repeatedly remind Seattle that they are still part of Washington state and must obey the law.”
Joining SAF and the NRA in the lawsuit are two Seattle residents who both own guns.
It won't hold up even if the State were to try and adopt it. Heller V DC already settled that.
The lawsuit concerns the preemption of state law by local jurisdictions, not the constitutionality of laws requiring the safe storage of operational firearms – Heller has no bearing on the case; and even if it did, it would not be precedent to invalidate the Seattle ordinance.
Below is a link to the suit; nowhere in the complaint will you find a reference to ‘Heller’ or to the ‘Second Amendment’ save that of the SAF.
https://www.thestranger.com/images/...11248-2018-07-20_complaint_re_gun_storage.pdf
If the ordinance is invalidated, it will be because it violates Washington’s preemption law, not the Second Amendment, having nothing to do with Heller.
Meanwhile in the news a 4 yr old kills a 2 yr old .... because safe gun storage is such a BAD IDEA.
4-year-old boy accidentally shoots, kills 2-year-old cousin; grandfather arrested
Which is likely to be more lethal when misused? WTF is wrong with safe storage? That is what is Wrong with “gun nuts”, even the most benign common sense measures are automatically opposed.Meanwhile in the news a 4 yr old kills a 2 yr old .... because safe gun storage is such a BAD IDEA.
4-year-old boy accidentally shoots, kills 2-year-old cousin; grandfather arrested
Lock up the steak knives as well...
https://nypost.com/2018/04/03/boy-stabs-brother-in-throat-over-desire-to-be-only-child-cops/
Put the pillows in the lock box too...
7-year-old admits killing toddler sister, saving dad
Which is likely to be more lethal when misused? WTF is wrong with safe storage? That is what is Wrong with “gun nuts”, even the most benign common sense measures are automatically opposed.Meanwhile in the news a 4 yr old kills a 2 yr old .... because safe gun storage is such a BAD IDEA.
4-year-old boy accidentally shoots, kills 2-year-old cousin; grandfather arrested
Lock up the steak knives as well...
https://nypost.com/2018/04/03/boy-stabs-brother-in-throat-over-desire-to-be-only-child-cops/
Put the pillows in the lock box too...
7-year-old admits killing toddler sister, saving dad
And you’re still not understanding the issue.As predicted here
NRA sues Seattle over recently passed 'safe storage' gun law
BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The Second Amendment Foundation and NRA have filed a lawsuit against the City of Seattle over the city's recently passed "safe storage" gun requirement, claiming it violates the state's preemption statute.
The suit also names Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan, the Seattle Police Department and Chief Carmen Best. Durkan reacted to the suit Friday, “While they go to court – kids go to the hospital. We can’t prevent every gun death or injury, we can take steps to help prevent tragedies. I am grateful that legal experts who share our commitment to reducing gun violence are standing with us and standing up for safer communities.”
"We will prevail and will continue to push for more protection for our children," Durkan added.
SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb expressed frustration that Seattle is once again trying to pass its own gun laws.
“Seattle seems to think it should be treated differently than any other local government when it comes to firearm regulation,” Gottlieb said. "We should not have to repeatedly remind Seattle that they are still part of Washington state and must obey the law.”
Joining SAF and the NRA in the lawsuit are two Seattle residents who both own guns.
It won't hold up even if the State were to try and adopt it. Heller V DC already settled that.
The lawsuit concerns the preemption of state law by local jurisdictions, not the constitutionality of laws requiring the safe storage of operational firearms – Heller has no bearing on the case; and even if it did, it would not be precedent to invalidate the Seattle ordinance.
Below is a link to the suit; nowhere in the complaint will you find a reference to ‘Heller’ or to the ‘Second Amendment’ save that of the SAF.
https://www.thestranger.com/images/...11248-2018-07-20_complaint_re_gun_storage.pdf
If the ordinance is invalidated, it will be because it violates Washington’s preemption law, not the Second Amendment, having nothing to do with Heller.
And that may be correct. If the State Law is considerate with the Heller law then the local law will be overturned.
Screw. You. You whine and bitch about any ANY law causing you the least bit of inconvenience even though it might save lives.Which is likely to be more lethal when misused? WTF is wrong with safe storage? That is what is Wrong with “gun nuts”, even the most benign common sense measures are automatically opposed.Meanwhile in the news a 4 yr old kills a 2 yr old .... because safe gun storage is such a BAD IDEA.
4-year-old boy accidentally shoots, kills 2-year-old cousin; grandfather arrested
Lock up the steak knives as well...
https://nypost.com/2018/04/03/boy-stabs-brother-in-throat-over-desire-to-be-only-child-cops/
Put the pillows in the lock box too...
7-year-old admits killing toddler sister, saving dad
Safe storage of guns is great.... using it to turn law abiding gun owners into criminals is fucking stupid. You want another financial means to increase the cost of gun ownership because once you get safe storage laws, you will increase the standards on what is considered "safe storage" to the point normal people won't be able to easily afford the safes you want....and also, it is UnConstitutional to mandate keeping guns in a way that makes them inaccessible for self defense...see D.C v Heller.....
then you plan on making it a crime punishable with fines and jail time for law abiding gun owners who don't follow your demands for safe storage...
So screw you.....
Screw. You. You whine and bitch about any ANY law causing you the least bit of inconvenience even though it might save lives.Which is likely to be more lethal when misused? WTF is wrong with safe storage? That is what is Wrong with “gun nuts”, even the most benign common sense measures are automatically opposed.Meanwhile in the news a 4 yr old kills a 2 yr old .... because safe gun storage is such a BAD IDEA.
4-year-old boy accidentally shoots, kills 2-year-old cousin; grandfather arrested
Lock up the steak knives as well...
https://nypost.com/2018/04/03/boy-stabs-brother-in-throat-over-desire-to-be-only-child-cops/
Put the pillows in the lock box too...
7-year-old admits killing toddler sister, saving dad
Safe storage of guns is great.... using it to turn law abiding gun owners into criminals is fucking stupid. You want another financial means to increase the cost of gun ownership because once you get safe storage laws, you will increase the standards on what is considered "safe storage" to the point normal people won't be able to easily afford the safes you want....and also, it is UnConstitutional to mandate keeping guns in a way that makes them inaccessible for self defense...see D.C v Heller.....
then you plan on making it a crime punishable with fines and jail time for law abiding gun owners who don't follow your demands for safe storage...
So screw you.....
That is the problem with you guys.
Inconvenience me when I might need immediate access to my firearm?Screw. You. You whine and bitch about any ANY law causing you the least bit of inconvenience even though it might save lives.
That is the problem with you guys.
And you’re still not understanding the issue.As predicted here
NRA sues Seattle over recently passed 'safe storage' gun law
BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The Second Amendment Foundation and NRA have filed a lawsuit against the City of Seattle over the city's recently passed "safe storage" gun requirement, claiming it violates the state's preemption statute.
The suit also names Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan, the Seattle Police Department and Chief Carmen Best. Durkan reacted to the suit Friday, “While they go to court – kids go to the hospital. We can’t prevent every gun death or injury, we can take steps to help prevent tragedies. I am grateful that legal experts who share our commitment to reducing gun violence are standing with us and standing up for safer communities.”
"We will prevail and will continue to push for more protection for our children," Durkan added.
SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb expressed frustration that Seattle is once again trying to pass its own gun laws.
“Seattle seems to think it should be treated differently than any other local government when it comes to firearm regulation,” Gottlieb said. "We should not have to repeatedly remind Seattle that they are still part of Washington state and must obey the law.”
Joining SAF and the NRA in the lawsuit are two Seattle residents who both own guns.
It won't hold up even if the State were to try and adopt it. Heller V DC already settled that.
The lawsuit concerns the preemption of state law by local jurisdictions, not the constitutionality of laws requiring the safe storage of operational firearms – Heller has no bearing on the case; and even if it did, it would not be precedent to invalidate the Seattle ordinance.
Below is a link to the suit; nowhere in the complaint will you find a reference to ‘Heller’ or to the ‘Second Amendment’ save that of the SAF.
https://www.thestranger.com/images/...11248-2018-07-20_complaint_re_gun_storage.pdf
If the ordinance is invalidated, it will be because it violates Washington’s preemption law, not the Second Amendment, having nothing to do with Heller.
And that may be correct. If the State Law is considerate with the Heller law then the local law will be overturned.
They don't even have to resort to Heller, Seattle is violating state law....
Which is likely to be more lethal when misused? WTF is wrong with safe storage? That is what is Wrong with “gun nuts”, even the most benign common sense measures are automatically opposed.Meanwhile in the news a 4 yr old kills a 2 yr old .... because safe gun storage is such a BAD IDEA.
4-year-old boy accidentally shoots, kills 2-year-old cousin; grandfather arrested
Lock up the steak knives as well...
https://nypost.com/2018/04/03/boy-stabs-brother-in-throat-over-desire-to-be-only-child-cops/
Put the pillows in the lock box too...
7-year-old admits killing toddler sister, saving dad
