Nov 6, 1860 Abe Lincoln Was Elected

[gipper]

The Union was voluntary before Lincoln came along.

Sad the closest to a slave you can have is a Mexican Illegal, huh?

The problem with that is Lincoln did not invade the South to free the slaves. He didn't give a shit about the slaves and was an ardent racist even for his time. He even offered to ensconce slavery into the Constitution, if the South would stay in the Union. He planned to deport all blacks during his second term. Thankfully John Wilkes Booth saved the nation for that further disgraceful action by Dishonest Abe.

You had to go to a university to learn to be that stupid.

WRONG.

In university, you learn that Dishonest Abe is GREAT!

 

[regent]

Had there been no Lincoln would America still have slavery?

 

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On November 6, 1860, Abraham Lincoln was elected the 16th President of the United States, five months before the beginning of the Civil War.

Nearing the end of the bloody Civil War, Abraham Lincoln delivered his second inaugural address on March 4, 1865—quoting from the Gospels and Psalm 19: “But let us judge not that we be not judged. . . . The Almighty has his own purposes. Fervently do we pray—that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet if God wills that it continue . . . and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another . . . so still it must be said, 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.’”

Abraham Lincoln was assassinated April 14, 1865—one month before the war Civil War ended.

Lol troll makes a thread to troll Democrats about how Lincoln was a republican, republicans pour in to attack Lincoln. Too fucking funny

 

[Pogo]

It feels somewhat unfair that FDR gathers all this praise from Democrats and Lincoln seems top be barely mentioned by Republicans. If true, I wonder what the Republican problem might be? Did Lincoln do something wrong as president?

He freed the slaves of Democrats.

No, he freed the slaves held in (most but not all of) Union-controlled areas, none of which were "Democrats" since the Confederacy had no political parties.

Nobody has ever needed a political party to own slaves. Slaveholders had been Democrats, Whigs, Know Nothings, Constitutional Unionists, Democratic-Republicans, a whole horde of no-party-at-alls and oh yes Ulysses Grant.

 

[Pogo]

Inauguration day was in March so it was four months until he took office. That's a long time when the country was on the verge of Civil War.

Inauguration Day was in March then. Go buy a history book.

 

[Pogo]

Had there been no Lincoln would America still have slavery?

Clearly not. Abolition had been brewing for decades and had already taken Britain, France, Spain and their colonies out of the practice. The US was lagging behind what was inevitable. There was a sea change coming, regardless how it manifested, even if it had been unsurvivable economic sanctions.

 

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On November 6, 1860, Abraham Lincoln was elected the 16th President of the United States, five months before the beginning of the Civil War.

Nearing the end of the bloody Civil War, Abraham Lincoln delivered his second inaugural address on March 4, 1865—quoting from the Gospels and Psalm 19: “But let us judge not that we be not judged. . . . The Almighty has his own purposes. Fervently do we pray—that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet if God wills that it continue . . . and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another . . . so still it must be said, 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.’”

Abraham Lincoln was assassinated April 14, 1865—one month before the war Civil War ended.

Lol troll makes a thread to troll Democrats about how Lincoln was a republican, republicans pour in to attack Lincoln. Too fucking funny

And you morons drop in ranting about how evil Lincoln was for taking away your slaves.

 

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On November 6, 1860, Abraham Lincoln was elected the 16th President of the United States, five months before the beginning of the Civil War.

Nearing the end of the bloody Civil War, Abraham Lincoln delivered his second inaugural address on March 4, 1865—quoting from the Gospels and Psalm 19: “But let us judge not that we be not judged. . . . The Almighty has his own purposes. Fervently do we pray—that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet if God wills that it continue . . . and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another . . . so still it must be said, 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.’”

Abraham Lincoln was assassinated April 14, 1865—one month before the war Civil War ended.

Lol troll makes a thread to troll Democrats about how Lincoln was a republican, republicans pour in to attack Lincoln. Too fucking funny

And you morons drop in ranting about how evil Lincoln was for taking away your slaves.

Lol

 

[gipper]

Had there been no Lincoln would America still have slavery?

The entire world’s nations ended slavery without bloodshed, except for one.

Thanks Dishonest Abe.

 

[Pogo]

Had there been no Lincoln would America still have slavery?

The entire world’s nations ended slavery without bloodshed, except for one.

Thanks Dishonest Abe.

Soooooooo you're not counting the second independent republic in the Americas after us?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Had there been no Lincoln would America still have slavery?

The entire world’s nations ended slavery without bloodshed, except for one.

Thanks Dishonest Abe.

There’s an estimated 24 million people living in slavery today, Dufus. And thanks to Obama and Hillary the African Slave market is back into fulltime production.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The Union was voluntary before Lincoln came along.

Sad the closest to a slave you can have is a Mexican Illegal, huh?

The problem with that is Lincoln did not invade the South to free the slaves. He didn't give a shit about the slaves and was an ardent racist even for his time. He even offered to ensconce slavery into the Constitution, if the South would stay in the Union. He planned to deport all blacks during his second term. Thankfully John Wilkes Booth saved the nation for that further disgraceful action by Dishonest Abe.

So if Texas fires upon Fort Hood and boots the US Army out of Texas, Trump is supposed to do nothing about it.

What a Dufus.

 

[Natural Citizen]

The entire world’s nations ended slavery without bloodshed, except for one.

Thanks Dishonest Abe.

Yep. Good post.

 

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I said it before that Lincoln was either misinformed by aids or profoundly ignorant of the situation or possibly side tracked by personal problems. A tribe of biased "historians" credit him with "preserving the union" while in fact the Union fell apart on his watch. Lincoln should have made promises and deals with hot headed congressmen and lied if he had to if it meant avoiding civil war but he didn't do it. The worst conflict in American history happened because Lincoln wasn't paying attention.

 

[gipper]

Had there been no Lincoln would America still have slavery?

The entire world’s nations ended slavery without bloodshed, except for one.

Thanks Dishonest Abe.

Soooooooo you're not counting the second independent republic in the Americas after us?

That was Haiti and they fought for their nation’s independence.

 

[gipper]

The Union was voluntary before Lincoln came along.

Sad the closest to a slave you can have is a Mexican Illegal, huh?

The problem with that is Lincoln did not invade the South to free the slaves. He didn't give a shit about the slaves and was an ardent racist even for his time. He even offered to ensconce slavery into the Constitution, if the South would stay in the Union. He planned to deport all blacks during his second term. Thankfully John Wilkes Booth saved the nation for that further disgraceful action by Dishonest Abe.

So if Texas fires upon Fort Hood and boots the US Army out of Texas, Trump is supposed to do nothing about it.

What a Dufus.

Yep a few bombs on a fort in which no one was killed, means you can start total war on your fellow Americans.

So thinks an idiot like Dishonest Abe.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Lincoln was an extention of that first round of real socialists who kind of infiltrated

A couple of times I've thought about creating a thread and putting all of the faces together along the course of events into a kind of schematic. But I think more likely it'd be a waste of time. But it is interesting. And all documented.

 

[gipper]

I said it before that Lincoln was either misinformed by aids or profoundly ignorant of the situation or possibly side tracked by personal problems. A tribe of biased "historians" credit him with "preserving the union" while in fact the Union fell apart on his watch. Lincoln should have made promises and deals with hot headed congressmen and lied if he had to if it meant avoiding civil war but he didn't do it. The worst conflict in American history happened because Lincoln wasn't paying attention.

I can’t agree. Lincoln knew full well what he was doing. He made it clear in his first inaugural that there would be war, if the South didn’t pay the tariff. He then invaded killing fellow Americans, to forcibly impose that tariff.

 

[gipper]

The simple truth in one paragraph...why do so many Americans not know it?


The Prevalence of Myth over History
By Paul Craig Roberts

PaulCraigRoberts.org

November 12, 2018

As every competent historian knows, there was no “civil war.” A civil war is when two sides fight for control of the government. The southern states had seceded and formed their own country. The Confederacy had no interest in controlling Washington. The war happened because Lincoln invaded the Confederacy. The Confederacy fought because they were invaded. The North fought to maintain the Union, as Lincoln said repeatedly. The South seceded because the Northern majority in Congress passed a tariff that benefitted the North at the expense of the South. Lincoln guaranteed the South permanent protection of slavery if they would stay in the Union, but did not offer to repeal the tariff. Historians have studied the diaries and letters of soldiers on both sides, and can’t find anyone who was fighting over slavery. Lincoln said that blacks were not sufficiently developed to live in society with whites. His plan was to send them back to Africa, which might have happened, as the North didn’t want them, if Lincoln had not been assassinated.

The Prevalence of Myth Over History - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

 

[Pogo]

Had there been no Lincoln would America still have slavery?

The entire world’s nations ended slavery without bloodshed, except for one.

Thanks Dishonest Abe.

Soooooooo you're not counting the second independent republic in the Americas after us?

That was Haiti and they fought for their nation’s independence.

Correct. And there was bloodshed to end slavery. See your post above.

It's fair to say there was bloodshed over slavery all over the Americas in fact, whether there was an official 'war' or not. Just yesterday was the anniversary of the execution of Nat Turner. And for that matter, John Brown leading another slave revolt was a major trigger of the Civil War too, before the War happened.