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This thread isn't about the Koch bros. is it? But you and TM brought it up, so I went a step further, and you still couldn't bring Soros name into it. I can see why it loses credibility with you, because he's an extreme left sort of person....sorta like how you paint the Koch bros as right extreme.
You might want to do some more research. He's not done anywhere near the damage they have. He doesn't have near the money they do.
You need to talk to the Brits, Ms. Boop.
They think of him as satan.
well, I was fortunate enough to never having a minimum wage job....I sold shoes during high school and part of college, we got paid 8% of whatever we sold...we were on commission. I beat my sales goal every week, so i never made just minimum....though many of my high school buddies did make minimum....for a short while.....mcdonalds paid MORE THAN minimum, so those working there got pretty good pay for the job...most making minimum wages are ADULTS, between the ages of 18 and 25....with the majority of those jobs going to women, and primarily single women with children, the second largest group of minimum wage earners are seniors, taking a job in retirement to supplement their meager income....teenage children living at home were NOT the majority, from all that I have read on the topic.Well of coruse they are.......if they are doing a job worthy of a living wage. The kid bagging your groceries at apart time job that requires little skill, knowledge or education isn't doing a job worthy of a living wage. If they drop out of their taxpayer funded free education and never avail themselves of the the low cost educational opportunities provided thru community colleges or vo-tech centers and continue to bag groceries at 30 or 40, they are not worthy of making $30 per hour. It's a minimum wage job that kids living at home do, not men with families and a mortgage. You guys really need to face reality when you discuss nebulous ideas like "fair share" and "living wage".
Teach the cashiers to bag their own groceries that they ring, then pay them more by cutting out the bagging grocery person....then you have your living wage earned by the employee kept....the other grocery bagger needs to learn how to run the register as well...then he too can have a job that pays more!
I think you are missing my point. Minimum wage jobs are minimum wage for a reason. They fit great for a lot of people. We made our son buy his truck when he turned 16. He is 18 and a freshman in college this year. He worked a minimum wage job and paid his truck off 6 months early. He lived at home until going to college, so doing entry level jobs for minimum wage fit his needs nicely. He's looking for a job in college now for spending money and again, a minimum wage job will fit his need. My sister is retired and living off of retirement. She has taken a number of minimum wage jobs simply for something to do and to work in areas that have always interested her. People in between those two stages need to ask themselves why they are in the position of not qualifying for anything beyond a MW job at 30 or 40 years of age? In most cases (not all) it is due to choices they made. My state has what is called Oklahoma's Promise. You can Google it if you want. It is a program you can register for when your child is in 8th grade if you make under $50,000 and have your college education PAID for. You have to take certain required courses in high school and maintain a 2.5 GPA. How simple is that? But guess how many of those families won't avail themselves of the aid or how many of those kids will decide they don't want to go to school even when it is paid? Plenty.....and they will bitch because 10 years out of high school they can't make a "living wage".
A community college course costs about $100 per semester WITH supplies.
HA!!! Now that is perhaps the biggest load of bovine feces I've seen in a long time.
You might want to do some more research. He's not done anywhere near the damage they have. He doesn't have near the money they do.
You need to talk to the Brits, Ms. Boop.
They think of him as satan.
Well he is a minion of the great one. I've never seen anything like him in my life.
Here is a man who really relishes fucking up people. A sadistic tendency to say the least.
I have really no words except to say Soros is the definition of evil. Next to Alinsky.
hehehe and this is from a devotee of Alice Cooper. So when I think these dudes are evil, that's saying something.
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What's wrong with what he said?
[Hey IntheMiddleRoadKill ----- $36 per unit..
Cañada College | Admissions | Fees, Payment, Refunds, Parking, Transcript
I used to get brochures for individual courses that didn't even require full registration but could be applied to matriculated credit. You're useless. And a moron..
No, I really don't. I need to take a break from the board, because every so often, I become sick-unto-death of nobody ever being honest. You can't own Koch brothers. Noooo. You have to point at whoever the fuck you're pointing at. Move goal posts, change the subject, whatever it takes.
Buh-bye.
My state has what is called Oklahoma's Promise. You can Google it if you want. It is a program you can register for when your child is in 8th grade if you make under $50,000 and have your college education PAID for.
What's wrong with what he said?
It was stupid, duh!
I asked how minimum wage workers are supposed to afford mandated higher education. His reply was to refer to people who have their own business (not minimum wage workers) or to suggest people work TWO jobs (and expect them to still have the time to actually succeed in said mandated higher education).
If you can't see how stupid that is, then that's your problem.
Yes, to some one that isn't in the middle but is on the far left
Go for the handouts, and don't aspire be the best you can be by working the extra jobs....but bitch about it when someone does whatever it takes to better himself above a minimum paying job.
Yeah....those are the stupid ones, huh?
It's a little off topic, but I've always thought that with the exception of Seniors, that ANYONE working for minimum wage should be REQUIRED to be a student of some type. The two things should go together. I'd even accept CORPORATE training if its formal enough and leads to job skills that advance employment.
The purpose of minimum wage was NEVER to make people COMFORTABLE in menial labor.
We should promote the PERSON -- not the JOB...
And how is the minimum wage worker supposed to pay for that?
Second job? Sell on Ebay?
A lot of people do that to compensate rather than looking for a handout from the feds.
[Hey IntheMiddleRoadKill ----- $36 per unit..
Cañada College | Admissions | Fees, Payment, Refunds, Parking, Transcript
I used to get brochures for individual courses that didn't even require full registration but could be applied to matriculated credit. You're useless. And a moron..
You idiot, that's the ENROLLMENT FEE. That says nothing else about tuition and other expenses! For some reason the link only provides info on out of state tuition. But if we assume that in state tuition is only 50% the out of state (a very generous assumption) then using the information there shows that a HALF TIME student taking only 6 load hours would pay nearly $900 a semester!
Graduation from Cañada College with the Associate in Arts (AA) Degree or the Associate in Science (AS) Degree is based on completion of 60 units including the requirements “A”
through “G” listed below:
GE Area B: Natural Sciences 3 semester units
Physical Science: As tr 100, 101 ANTH 126 Chem 112, 192, 210, 220, 234, 235, 237, 238, 410 Geol 100, 101 Geog 100
METE 100 Ocen 100, 101 Phys 210, 211, 221, 250, 260, 405
Life Science: A nth 125, 126 Biol 100, 103, 110, 130, 132, 225, 230, 240, 250, 260, 310 HSci 100, 104, 105, 108 (through Fall 2010)
What's wrong with what he said?
It was stupid, duh!
I asked how minimum wage workers are supposed to afford mandated higher education. His reply was to refer to people who have their own business (not minimum wage workers) or to suggest people work TWO jobs (and expect them to still have the time to actually succeed in said mandated higher education).
If you can't see how stupid that is, then that's your problem.
Let's re-address: A second job or on Ebay, nobody said it's going to be easy, but getting one self through school to attain a higher paying job....you do what it takes.
I know, I know....that would be undue stress for succeeding....but...
You're not stupid, you're really stupid.
No wonder you're so retarded.. You can't read a fee statement from a Community College.
Hope you enjoy your career in the "Burger Sciences".. I've TAKEN courses there. I've had friends send their KIDS there..
A UNIT is the measurement of FEES. Most courses are 1 to 3 UNITS. Graduation with a AA degree is specified at 60 UNITS. An entire AA degree could cost less than $3000.
$36 per UNIT. THat's the cost -- plus the other things in the list. So when I said you could taking courses for $100 semester -- I was entirely correct.
http://www.canadacollege.edu/registration/pdfs/SuFa11.pdf
Graduation from Cañada College with the Associate in Arts (AA) Degree or the Associate in Science (AS) Degree is based on completion of 60 units including the requirements A
through G listed below:
GE Area B: Natural Sciences 3 semester units
Physical Science: As tr 100, 101 ANTH 126 Chem 112, 192, 210, 220, 234, 235, 237, 238, 410 Geol 100, 101 Geog 100
METE 100 Ocen 100, 101 Phys 210, 211, 221, 250, 260, 405
Life Science: A nth 125, 126 Biol 100, 103, 110, 130, 132, 225, 230, 240, 250, 260, 310 HSci 100, 104, 105, 108 (through Fall 2010)
BTW MORON -- if you read the financial aid page, being as how this sponsored by the Socialist State of California, a Min Wage worker COULD get a large percentage of the enrollment fees waived...
I've done my work with the handicapped today... Good luck in life.. Careful crossing the street.
No wonder you're so retarded.. You can't read a fee statement from a Community College.
Hope you enjoy your career in the "Burger Sciences".. I've TAKEN courses there. I've had friends send their KIDS there..
A UNIT is the measurement of FEES. Most courses are 1 to 3 UNITS. Graduation with a AA degree is specified at 60 UNITS. An entire AA degree could cost less than $3000.
$36 per UNIT. THat's the cost -- plus the other things in the list. So when I said you could taking courses for $100 semester -- I was entirely correct.
http://www.canadacollege.edu/registration/pdfs/SuFa11.pdf
Graduation from Cañada College with the Associate in Arts (AA) Degree or the Associate in Science (AS) Degree is based on completion of 60 units including the requirements A
through G listed below:
GE Area B: Natural Sciences 3 semester units
Physical Science: As tr 100, 101 ANTH 126 Chem 112, 192, 210, 220, 234, 235, 237, 238, 410 Geol 100, 101 Geog 100
METE 100 Ocen 100, 101 Phys 210, 211, 221, 250, 260, 405
Life Science: A nth 125, 126 Biol 100, 103, 110, 130, 132, 225, 230, 240, 250, 260, 310 HSci 100, 104, 105, 108 (through Fall 2010)
BTW MORON -- if you read the financial aid page, being as how this sponsored by the Socialist State of California, a Min Wage worker COULD get a large percentage of the enrollment fees waived...
I've done my work with the handicapped today... Good luck in life.. Careful crossing the street.
You do realize that the $36/unit enrollment fee is not the only expenses incurred, right? The enrollment fee is nothing more than a tax added on top of everything. It's like getting a ticket and thinking that you only have to pay for court fees. No, that's something added on top, you have to pay the actual citation fee too.
Nope -- ALL the tuition, enrollment, and other fees are on that page.
Less than $100 to take a course. Maybe $150 for some of the 3 Unit courses.
Nope -- ALL the tuition, enrollment, and other fees are on that page.
Actually, no, I didn't see anything about the tuition for in state students. But if you did, please tell us, what is the tuition cost? Not just the enrollment fee, the TUITION.
Less than $100 to take a course. Maybe $150 for some of the 3 Unit courses.
So now you're backtracking. You started by saying $100 for a semester, now you're saying $150 for a single course. What next? Oh, BTW, what about books? You haven't addressed that yet either.
A community college course costs about $100 per semester WITH supplies. A public vocation school might even be less. Doesn't HAVE to be enrolled at Stanford.
Canada College - Cost and Financial Aid
Costs (2010-11)
Tuition: State resident $0 full-time; nonresident $6240 full-time, $208 per unit part-time
Required fees: $832 full-time, $26 per unit part-time, $26 per term part-time
Payment plan: Installment
