No one white today owned slaves but most whites today benefitted from the 100 years after slavery.

[Toddsterpatriot]

You haven't posted proof that whites get 200 points added.
Try again?

You've been shown the facts that legacy points are provided in Ivy league schools. The point has been proven

You haven't posted proof there is a national policy of anti white discrimination based on policy .

Try again?

You've been shown the facts that legacy points are provided in Ivy league schools.

Yup. You bet.

The point has been proven

Bzzzzt. Wrong.
You said....."Correll, you don't seem to understand that whites get 200 legacy points"

Nothing you've posted proved that.

You haven't posted proof there is a national policy of anti white discrimination based on policy .

Who said anything about a national policy?
This is something that many, many individual colleges have chosen to do.
The Federal government didn't force them.

I showed you the information about legacy points and you refused to accept they exist. But they do. Yo wre shown thelegacy infaiton re dlwoer but wre admitted and you asked for more prooEvery tme a policy ow that it shows that what you el sbullshit youwill ask formore proof. Wellyou got theproof you are going to get.

You made a claim that if 230 points are taken away from blacks fewer blacks would be amditted into Ivy League schools. What evidence do you have to supp that? You have denied that whites even get points much less the points given for legacy. .

You can stop trying to use Asians in this disingenuous argument you are trying to make.

Why? Because they're a minority harmed by AA?

The OP is about how whites have benefitted from laws and policies after slavery.

And the thread is about the practice of discriminating against whites and Asians to admit undeserving blacks to colleges they wouldn't otherwise qualify to attend.

You've been shown that Asians are admitted into Ivy league schools at 3 times the rate of their population

When your grades and test scores are really high, you can go to an Ivy League school.
Or if your grades and scores aren't high enough, but you're black.........

And the fact remains that there are actually blacks who do score better than Asians and whites on these tests.

You bet! And that's awesome!!!
The issue is when some people with high scores and grades don't get admitted in order to admit blacks with lower scores and grades than the rejected students.

Asians are admitted into Ivy league schools at 3 times the rate of their population so there is no adverse impact there.

If the 50 point penalty were removed, their admission rate could be 3.5 or 4 times their portion of the population, and that would be alright, but the removal of the 230 point black bonus would reduce the number of blacks admitted. Right?

You don't give a fuck about Asians. Shut up.

....

Again, illogical. You don't know who gives a fuck about whom or why. Stop letting your emotions get the better of you.

No it's not illogical. This guy doesn't give a fuck about Asians.

Even you have to realize how irrational you are being. You cannot read his mind, so your claim is illogical.

This is not about reading a mind. This is about a strategy whites have used forever which is trying to divide races by making claims of how one race is taking something from another one. You will see this in these threads by the same whites here telling me that Mexican immigrants are taking jobs from blacks.

You will see this in these threads by the same whites here telling me that Mexican immigrants are taking jobs from blacks.

They aren't? LOL!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If blacks get 230 extra points and Asians get 50 points subtracted, how is there no impact?

You can stop trying to use Asians in this disingenuous argument you are trying to make. You racists don't give a flying fuck about Asians or their equal rights. The OP is about how whites have benefitted from laws and policies after slavery. The same motherfucking laws and policies that put Asians in interment camps. There is no anti white discrimination and there is no adverse impact on whites by whatever correll and you are trying to argue. You've been shown that Asians are admitted into Ivy league schools at 3 times the rate of their population so there is no adverse impact there. And the fact remains that there are actually blacks who do score better than Asians and whites on these tests. If anything the 230 points are awarded due to the adverse impact of admission policy on blacks since blacks are admitted at half their rate of the population. about 3 times less than Asians and about 7 to 8 times less than whites.

You can stop trying to use Asians in this disingenuous argument you are trying to make.

Why? Because they're a minority harmed by AA?

The OP is about how whites have benefitted from laws and policies after slavery.

And the thread is about the practice of discriminating against whites and Asians to admit undeserving blacks to colleges they wouldn't otherwise qualify to attend.

You've been shown that Asians are admitted into Ivy league schools at 3 times the rate of their population

When your grades and test scores are really high, you can go to an Ivy League school.
Or if your grades and scores aren't high enough, but you're black.........

And the fact remains that there are actually blacks who do score better than Asians and whites on these tests.

You bet! And that's awesome!!!
The issue is when some people with high scores and grades don't get admitted in order to admit blacks with lower scores and grades than the rejected students.

Asians are admitted into Ivy league schools at 3 times the rate of their population so there is no adverse impact there.

If the 50 point penalty were removed, their admission rate could be 3.5 or 4 times their portion of the population, and that would be alright, but the removal of the 230 point black bonus would reduce the number of blacks admitted. Right?

You don't give a fuck about Asians. Shut up.

SAT scores are not associated with grades. There is no black getting admitted into Ivy League schools that do not meet the GPA requirements of those schools.

There is no black getting admitted into Ivy League schools that do not meet the GPA requirements of those schools.

So why do they need a 230 point bump?

That argument is dead son. You have been shown that SAT scores are only one part of the process. The admissions officials at Ivy League schools have stated that you can get a perfect score and still not get admitted if other factors in the admissions process are weak. It's over. You lose.

You have been shown that SAT scores are only one part of the process.

I've always known that.
Now that evidence has come out about the 230 point bump, they want to eliminate test scores,
so they can let in the lesser qualified students with a smaller paper trail of the shenanigans.

The admissions officials at Ivy League schools have stated that you can get a perfect score and still not get admitted

And if you're black, they'll add points to your score.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You haven't posted proof that whites get 200 points added.
Try again?

You've been shown the facts that legacy points are provided in Ivy league schools. The point has been proven

You haven't posted proof there is a national policy of anti white discrimination based on policy .

Try again?

You've been shown the facts that legacy points are provided in Ivy league schools.

Yup. You bet.

The point has been proven

Bzzzzt. Wrong.
You said....."Correll, you don't seem to understand that whites get 200 legacy points"

Nothing you've posted proved that.

You haven't posted proof there is a national policy of anti white discrimination based on policy .

Who said anything about a national policy?
This is something that many, many individual colleges have chosen to do.
The Federal government didn't force them.

I showed you the information about legacy points and you refused to accept they exist. But they do. Yo wre shown thelegacy infaiton re dlwoer but wre admitted and you asked for more prooEvery tme a policy ow that it shows that what you el sbullshit youwill ask formore proof. Wellyou got theproof you are going to get.

You made a claim that if 230 points are taken away from blacks fewer blacks would be amditted into Ivy League schools. What evidence do you have to supp that? You have denied that whites even get points much less the points given for legacy. .

You can stop trying to use Asians in this disingenuous argument you are trying to make.

Why? Because they're a minority harmed by AA?

The OP is about how whites have benefitted from laws and policies after slavery.

And the thread is about the practice of discriminating against whites and Asians to admit undeserving blacks to colleges they wouldn't otherwise qualify to attend.

You've been shown that Asians are admitted into Ivy league schools at 3 times the rate of their population

When your grades and test scores are really high, you can go to an Ivy League school.
Or if your grades and scores aren't high enough, but you're black.........

And the fact remains that there are actually blacks who do score better than Asians and whites on these tests.

You bet! And that's awesome!!!
The issue is when some people with high scores and grades don't get admitted in order to admit blacks with lower scores and grades than the rejected students.

Asians are admitted into Ivy league schools at 3 times the rate of their population so there is no adverse impact there.

If the 50 point penalty were removed, their admission rate could be 3.5 or 4 times their portion of the population, and that would be alright, but the removal of the 230 point black bonus would reduce the number of blacks admitted. Right?

You don't give a fuck about Asians. Shut up.

....

Again, illogical. You don't know who gives a fuck about whom or why. Stop letting your emotions get the better of you.

No it's not illogical. This guy doesn't give a fuck about Asians.

I showed you the information about legacy points and you refused to accept they exist.

Yes, they exist, as I said before.
73 points, not 200.

You made a claim that if 230 points are taken away from blacks fewer blacks would be amditted into Ivy League schools. What evidence do you have to supp that?

They add 230 points and it doesn't help black admissions? Wow!

This discussion has ended. I am the OP here. You have been shown that the SAT is part of the process and not the entire process. There was a minimum of 160 legacy points, not 73, but that doesn't really matter anymore in this discussion.

The first question is, how did redlining benefit blacks more than whites?

This discussion has ended.

No it hasn't.

You have been shown that the SAT is part of the process and not the entire process.

Who claimed it was the entire process? Where? Link?

There was a minimum of 160 legacy points, not 73

Your link showed 73.

Of the 3,478 profiles which responded to the legacy question, legacy profiles scored 1870 on the SAT versus 1943 for nonlegacy students.

The trend remained for students who were accepted into top 25 schools (as ranked by the US News & World Report), where legacy students scored 2133 versus 2156 for nonlegacy students.

No one white today owned slaves but most whites today benefitted from the 100 years after slavery.

Were you lying when you pulled 160 out of your ass, or stupid?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You haven't posted proof that whites get 200 points added.
Try again?

You've been shown the facts that legacy points are provided in Ivy league schools. The point has been proven

You haven't posted proof there is a national policy of anti white discrimination based on policy .

Try again?

You've been shown the facts that legacy points are provided in Ivy league schools.

Yup. You bet.

The point has been proven

Bzzzzt. Wrong.
You said....."Correll, you don't seem to understand that whites get 200 legacy points"

Nothing you've posted proved that.

You haven't posted proof there is a national policy of anti white discrimination based on policy .

Who said anything about a national policy?
This is something that many, many individual colleges have chosen to do.
The Federal government didn't force them.

I showed you the information about legacy points and you refused to accept they exist. But they do. Yo wre shown thelegacy infaiton re dlwoer but wre admitted and you asked for more prooEvery tme a policy ow that it shows that what you el sbullshit youwill ask formore proof. Wellyou got theproof you are going to get.

You made a claim that if 230 points are taken away from blacks fewer blacks would be amditted into Ivy League schools. What evidence do you have to supp that? You have denied that whites even get points much less the points given for legacy. .

You can stop trying to use Asians in this disingenuous argument you are trying to make.

Why? Because they're a minority harmed by AA?

The OP is about how whites have benefitted from laws and policies after slavery.

And the thread is about the practice of discriminating against whites and Asians to admit undeserving blacks to colleges they wouldn't otherwise qualify to attend.

You've been shown that Asians are admitted into Ivy league schools at 3 times the rate of their population

When your grades and test scores are really high, you can go to an Ivy League school.
Or if your grades and scores aren't high enough, but you're black.........

And the fact remains that there are actually blacks who do score better than Asians and whites on these tests.

You bet! And that's awesome!!!
The issue is when some people with high scores and grades don't get admitted in order to admit blacks with lower scores and grades than the rejected students.

Asians are admitted into Ivy league schools at 3 times the rate of their population so there is no adverse impact there.

If the 50 point penalty were removed, their admission rate could be 3.5 or 4 times their portion of the population, and that would be alright, but the removal of the 230 point black bonus would reduce the number of blacks admitted. Right?

You don't give a fuck about Asians. Shut up.

....

Again, illogical. You don't know who gives a fuck about whom or why. Stop letting your emotions get the better of you.

No it's not illogical. This guy doesn't give a fuck about Asians.

I showed you the information about legacy points and you refused to accept they exist.

Yes, they exist, as I said before.
73 points, not 200.

You made a claim that if 230 points are taken away from blacks fewer blacks would be amditted into Ivy League schools. What evidence do you have to supp that?

They add 230 points and it doesn't help black admissions? Wow!

This discussion has ended. I am the OP here. You have been shown that the SAT is part of the process and not the entire process. There was a minimum of 160 legacy points, not 73, but that doesn't really matter anymore in this discussion.

The first question is, how did redlining benefit blacks more than whites?

The first question is, how did redlining benefit blacks more than whites?

Who said it did?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

what are whites benefitting from that no one else is today?

You didn't read the Teflon theory of history did you? Things just don't magically stop just because a law was changed or because you believe it did.

You didn't answer my question. Some people benefit more because of class, money talks, but not because of race.

You were asked to describe how redlining has benefitted whites today. You have failed to answer that question. We are now going to talk about laws and policies not your opinions.

I did answer, I said it wasn't benefitting whites today.

But it does and in fact you benefitted from it in your own lifetime. This is not about your opinion anymore. You go do some research on redlining and how long it was done, if it continues and how it effects property values today, then tell me how whites are not benefitting from redlining now. Read about what is called retail redlining then explain to me how whites are not benefitting today from redlining.

Retail Redlining: One of the Most Pervasive Forms of Racism Left in America?

There's a term for the phenomenon he's describing: retail redlining. The practice is a more recent and less studied variation on redlining as it's been historically recognized in the housing sector. In the context of retail, grocery stores, and restaurants, redlining refers to the "spatially discriminatory practice" of not serving certain communities because of their ethnic or racial composition, rather than their economic prospects.

Retail Redlining: One of the Most Pervasive Forms of Racism Left in America?

Retailers don't like to put stores in poor, high crime areas.

How do whites benefit from that?

 

[Iceweasel]

The jackass still doesn't understand white people are not going to feel bad about tit today unless they are liberals. Then maybe you have a shot at getting some money, housing, blowjob, whatever.

No one cares what you don't feel. Thing is that you whites have always got special favors and now you whine about others supposedly getting what whites have always got. So then if you don't feel bad about you getting them, shut the fuck up about others doing the same.

You're the one whining, you can't spin it away. But you can be upset, butthurt, victimized, traumatized, etc. Losers need excuses.

Yada, yada. Explain how whites have benefitted from redlining.

You don't have the guts.

I worked for what I have you stupid asshole. You think you can reconstruct my life to fit your dank racist world view? I had a black elecrtician in my shop, same rank as me, couldn't hook up a light switch and your maggot brain thinks I was benefited? People could die and you still wouldn't be able to connect the dots. Anyone that cares what you say is a loser.

Yeah right. My racist world view. Yeah right. You worked and not one tine in your life have you benefitted from being white. And of course the usual white tale of how you and a black person worked the same job but the black person couldn't do even the bare minimum of what it take but stlll got the same job. Sure, I believe that. I've heard it a million times

You are the one who decided I've done nothing and I am a loser because I have stated the reality of how you whites have done. I couldn't be a successful man who has built a business from nothing and helped build 2 others. Oh no I could not be a mastered degreed college graduate with 32 years of work and research in my field. No, I had to be the whining loser because I dare speak out on continuing white racism.

You've listened to far too many of those right wing maggots on the radio and TV. I've been a very successful man. I retired actually 4 years ago now. At 52. YOU are a loser. You are a loser because you can't face the truth.

You think like a loser and that's what it takes to be a loser. I spoke the truth and you can't handle it because it doesn't fit your racist views.

 

[MizMolly]

He quit responding because his posts made no sense.

 

[Correll]

If the majority of students of a university are white they are not being discriminated against in admissions.

All it takes is 50.1% whites, even though whites are more than 50.1% of the population? LOL!

To make an honest assessment, you'd have to look at white applicants at a certain test score, black applicants at the same score and compare acceptance rates of those equivalent students.

Which is what leads to the 230 point number.


Which completely PROVES anti-white discrimination.

And this guy claims to have a masters? What the fuck does that say about higher education in this country?

There is no ant white discrimination. You keep talking about 8 colleges out of 3,000 where maybe 7-8 percent of the students are black the majority of students are white and you whine about some bullshit that doesn't exist even if the 230 points are given.

1. THe colleges were selected because the admissions are very competitive, thus you can see that discrimination that occurs.

2. The entire population of the nation is majority white, and whites, for whatever reason, generally out perform blacks academically. Given that, that whites are a majority in those schools, is not evidence that the discrimination does not take place.


3. IF the 230 points are GIVEN, then the discrimination is taking place. Giving someone else an unfair advantage because of skin color is what DISCRIMINATION IS!!!

4. If you really have a masters in the field, and can't see that, that is a massive condemnation of both the field and the entire higher education industry in this nation.

There is no discrimination in admittance if whites are the majority of those admitted. This is what idiots like you who whine about discrimination need to understand the definition An adverse impact must be created by the policy for discrimination to be proven. If whites are the majority of admitted students there is no adverse impact on whites. There is no discrimination in this policy son, and that's just the way it is.

It IS the way it is. If there is any discrimination taking place in admissions, every CURRENT study indicates that it is Asian students who are most at risk.

What he is doing is ignoring that glaring fact from the same study from 2004(13 years ago) that he posted, attempting to spin it to look like the admission of literally ANY black student is at the expense of MASSIVE numbers of white students.

It's laughable that he is still on a soapbox about proven BULLSHIT.

Opinion | White Students’ Unfair Advantage in Admissions

As always, I am not responsible for the voices in your head. NONE of the crazy you attribute to me, has anything to actually do with me or anything I said.


Please try again.

 

[Correll]

Prove it.

You've been shown the facts that legacy points are provided in Ivy league schools. The point has been proven.

You haven't posted proof that whites get 200 points added.
Try again?

You've been shown the facts that legacy points are provided in Ivy league schools. The point has been proven

You haven't posted proof there is a national policy of anti white discrimination based on policy .

Try again?

You've been shown the facts that legacy points are provided in Ivy league schools.

Yup. You bet.

The point has been proven

Bzzzzt. Wrong.
You said....."Correll, you don't seem to understand that whites get 200 legacy points"

Nothing you've posted proved that.

You haven't posted proof there is a national policy of anti white discrimination based on policy .

Who said anything about a national policy?
This is something that many, many individual colleges have chosen to do.
The Federal government didn't force them.

SAT Scores for Ivy League Admissions

All of the Ivy League schools have truly holistic admissions, so keep SAT scores in perspective and realize that they are just one part of the admissions equation. Perfect 800s across the board don't guarantee admission if other parts of your application are weak. Admissions officers will want to see a strong academic record, a winning essay, meaningful extracurricular activities and good letters of recommendation. A particularly compelling personal story or amazing special talent can partially make up for SAT scores that are below the norm for a school.

Compare SAT Scores for Ivy League Admissions

Your and Corrells entire argument has been about SAT scores. As you see here SAT scores are just one part of the admission process. It is not the sole determinant of admission. Therefore your entire argument is dead.

My god, your twisting to avoid understanding a simple fact.


All else being equal, the black student can have 230 less sat points and have an equal chance of being admitted as the white student.


NOTHING in that statement implies or suggest in any fashion that SAT scores are the sole determining factor.


YOur post is utterly senseless.

 

[Correll]

So you can quote me saying all of these horrible things, right?

We aren't taking about slavery and we aren't taking about anything outside of America.

Slavery had very much to do with "outside of America" as well, and if your having a conversation with people , you dont just get to demand every aspect of what they can and cannot bring to the conversation. If you want that its just a monologue.

When I am not talking about slavery, I can demand what the fuck I want.

You are representing yourself very, very poorly here.

You let a bunch of illogical comments get made to tell me this. You are not my evaluator son. You're just another dumb ass white pretending to be non racist.

At this point, you are just lashing out blindly. Get a hold of yourself and start over. It's not too late to admit your errors and present yourself as a reasonable person. State your case with calm reason and logic and people will respond in kind. Continue to act like a screeching lunatic and you will soon be nothing but fodder for the flame zone.

He can't.

If he admitted any validity to the opposing viewpoint, he would be repudiating all of his life's work, offending his professional allies and likely pissing off many of his personal friends.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

So now we have heard all the excuses about how no one today owned slaves. But what we never seem able to discus is the 100 years after slavery where blacks were denied equal rights ,equal protection under the law, equal access to public accommodations, education, housing and jobs. Many whites here benefitted from things that occurred during this time.

Bring your popcorn. Here comes more lies and excuses.

You're an idiot.

 

[IM2]

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Slavery had very much to do with "outside of America" as well, and if your having a conversation with people , you dont just get to demand every aspect of what they can and cannot bring to the conversation. If you want that its just a monologue.

When I am not talking about slavery, I can demand what the fuck I want.

You are representing yourself very, very poorly here.

You let a bunch of illogical comments get made to tell me this. You are not my evaluator son. You're just another dumb ass white pretending to be non racist.

At this point, you are just lashing out blindly. Get a hold of yourself and start over. It's not too late to admit your errors and present yourself as a reasonable person. State your case with calm reason and logic and people will respond in kind. Continue to act like a screeching lunatic and you will soon be nothing but fodder for the flame zone.

He can't.

If he admitted any validity to the opposing viewpoint, he would be repudiating all of his life's work, offending his professional allies and likely pissing off many of his personal friends.

There is no validity to your veiwpoint.

 

[katsteve2012]

Which is what leads to the 230 point number.


Which completely PROVES anti-white discrimination.

And this guy claims to have a masters? What the fuck does that say about higher education in this country?

There is no ant white discrimination. You keep talking about 8 colleges out of 3,000 where maybe 7-8 percent of the students are black the majority of students are white and you whine about some bullshit that doesn't exist even if the 230 points are given.

1. THe colleges were selected because the admissions are very competitive, thus you can see that discrimination that occurs.

2. The entire population of the nation is majority white, and whites, for whatever reason, generally out perform blacks academically. Given that, that whites are a majority in those schools, is not evidence that the discrimination does not take place.


3. IF the 230 points are GIVEN, then the discrimination is taking place. Giving someone else an unfair advantage because of skin color is what DISCRIMINATION IS!!!

4. If you really have a masters in the field, and can't see that, that is a massive condemnation of both the field and the entire higher education industry in this nation.

There is no discrimination in admittance if whites are the majority of those admitted. This is what idiots like you who whine about discrimination need to understand the definition An adverse impact must be created by the policy for discrimination to be proven. If whites are the majority of admitted students there is no adverse impact on whites. There is no discrimination in this policy son, and that's just the way it is.

It IS the way it is. If there is any discrimination taking place in admissions, every CURRENT study indicates that it is Asian students who are most at risk.

What he is doing is ignoring that glaring fact from the same study from 2004(13 years ago) that he posted, attempting to spin it to look like the admission of literally ANY black student is at the expense of MASSIVE numbers of white students.

It's laughable that he is still on a soapbox about proven BULLSHIT.

Opinion | White Students’ Unfair Advantage in Admissions

As always, I am not responsible for the voices in your head. NONE of the crazy you attribute to me, has anything to actually do with me or anything I said.


Please try again.

No need to venture down YOUR path of persecution again.

If you happened to be an Asian student who was actually being affected by the information in numerous studies out there, including the one you posted, then I might have some empathy, but you trying to ride on the coattails of their challenges relating to fainess in college admissions, does in fact effectively remove the mask from your psychosis.

There is nothing in this thread to "try again" for where you are concerned.

Carry on.

 

[IM2]

You've been shown the facts that legacy points are provided in Ivy league schools. The point has been proven.

You haven't posted proof that whites get 200 points added.
Try again?

You've been shown the facts that legacy points are provided in Ivy league schools. The point has been proven

You haven't posted proof there is a national policy of anti white discrimination based on policy .

Try again?

You've been shown the facts that legacy points are provided in Ivy league schools.

Yup. You bet.

The point has been proven

Bzzzzt. Wrong.
You said....."Correll, you don't seem to understand that whites get 200 legacy points"

Nothing you've posted proved that.

You haven't posted proof there is a national policy of anti white discrimination based on policy .

Who said anything about a national policy?
This is something that many, many individual colleges have chosen to do.
The Federal government didn't force them.

SAT Scores for Ivy League Admissions

All of the Ivy League schools have truly holistic admissions, so keep SAT scores in perspective and realize that they are just one part of the admissions equation. Perfect 800s across the board don't guarantee admission if other parts of your application are weak. Admissions officers will want to see a strong academic record, a winning essay, meaningful extracurricular activities and good letters of recommendation. A particularly compelling personal story or amazing special talent can partially make up for SAT scores that are below the norm for a school.

Compare SAT Scores for Ivy League Admissions

Your and Corrells entire argument has been about SAT scores. As you see here SAT scores are just one part of the admission process. It is not the sole determinant of admission. Therefore your entire argument is dead.

My god, your twisting to avoid understanding a simple fact.


All else being equal, the black student can have 230 less sat points and have an equal chance of being admitted as the white student.


NOTHING in that statement implies or suggest in any fashion that SAT scores are the sole determining factor.


YOur post is utterly senseless.

Thus beginneth todays lesson.

You keep talking about this 230 points but I can't find proof of it anywhere except on a conservative website. The Ivy League doesn;'t say that. In fact your information is derived from a person who runs the H2 Academy and assumes racial bias is part of the process. There is no black bonus, the person named Ann Lee claims one by calling it that.

Some Asians who ae being dumb refuse to understand they are also benefactors of Affirmative Action. An Asian would npt be allowed entrance into these schools without the policy. More Asians would not be admitted if the policy ends.

Asians Penalized 50 Points On SAT – Black Students Given 230 Bonus Points…

You see this stereotype by whites about the Asan being the model minority is not new.

The real reasons the U.S. became less racist toward Asian Americans

To combat racism, minorities in the United States have

often attempted to portray themselves as upstanding citizens capable of assimilating into mainstream culture. Asian Americans were no different, Wu writes. Some, like the Chinese, sought respectability by promoting stories about their obedient children and their traditional family values. The Japanese pointed to their wartime service as proof of their shared Americanness.

African Americans in the 1940s made very similar appeals. But in the postwar moment, Wu argues, it was only convenient for political leaders to hear the Asian voices.

The model minority narrative may have started with Asian Americans, but it was quickly co-opted by white politicians who saw it as a tool to win allies in the Cold War. Discrimination was not a good look on the international stage. Embracing Asian Americans “provided a powerful means for the United States to proclaim itself a racial democracy and thereby credentialed to assume the leadership of the free world,” Wu writes. Stories about Asian American success were turned into propaganda.

By the 1960s, anxieties about the civil right movement caused white Americans to further invest in positive portrayals of Asian Americans. The image of the hard-working Asian became an extremely convenient way to deny the demands of African Americans. As Wu describes in her book, both liberal and conservative politicians pumped up the image of Asian Americans as a way to shift the blame for black poverty. If Asians could find success within the system, politicians asked, why couldn’t African Americans?

“The insinuation was that hard work along with unwavering faith in the government and liberal democracy as opposed to political protest were the keys to overcoming racial barriers as well as achieving full citizenship,” she writes.

The real reasons the U.S. became less racist toward Asian Americans

So as I have said before stop using asians for your argument because you don't give a damn about them. Yu ae only trying to cite what you whote folks have made up about Asians to try denying the truth of what us black folks say about your racism.

The real secret to Asian American success was not education

“The widespread assumption is that Asian Americans came to the United States very disadvantaged, and they wound up advantaged through extraordinary investments in their children’s education,” says Brown University economist Nathaniel Hilger.

But that's not what really happened, he says.

Hilger recently used old census records to trace the fortunes of whites, blacks and Asians who were born in California during the early- to mid-20th century. He found that educational gains had little to do with how Asian Americans managed to close the wage gap with whites by the 1970s.


Instead, his research suggests that society simply became less racist toward Asians.

The real secret to Asian American success was not education

So again stop lying about how you are so concerned about Asians.

Why we must talk about the Asian-American story, too
Anti-Asian-American racism paints picture of a ‘model minority’

But some will maintain that this is all talk of the past, that this history says little about the present-day realities of Asian-Americans. They might note that in 1965 Congress rid racial discrimination from immigration and naturalization law. The convictions of Gordon Hirabayashi and Fred Korematsu, furthermore, were overturned in the 1980s and Japanese-Americans received reparations for internment around that same time. Racism barely scars the lives of Asian-Americans, these folk might insist, noting that America regards them as a so-called “model minority.”

In the 1960s, when articulated grievances against anti-black bigotry roiled throughout the American landscape, some leading white intellectuals, through the mainstream media, championed the idea that Asian-Americans constituted a model minority. The model minority myth holds that Asian-Americans are an incredibly successful group generally because of their personal responsibility and law-abiding behavior.

In 1966, the U.S. News & World Report, for instance, wrote, “At a time when Americans are awash in worry over the plight of racial minorities — one such minority, the nation’s 300,000 Chinese Americans, is winning wealth and respect by dint of its own hard work … Still being taught in Chinatown is the old idea that people should depend on their own efforts — not a welfare check—in order to reach America’s ‘promised land.’” The national press pumped out similar stories lauding Asian-Americans and indirectly scolding blacks, while scholarly work validating the model minority stereotype blanketed social science journals. Fifty years later, the model minority stereotype appears true both inside and outside the Asian-American population.

But the model minority stereotype is a myth that white supremacy devised partly to defend American society from the charges of racism leveled by black folk and those sympathetic to their complaints.

The model minority myth, furthermore, convinces citizens and power holders that Asian-Americans harbor no real need for government assistance. “The portrayal of Asian Americans as successful,” Seattle University School of Law professor Robert S. Chang wrote, “permits the general public, government officials, and the judiciary to ignore or marginalize the contemporary needs of Asian Americans.”

Besides this sort of neglect, Asian-Americans face active discrimination. Approximately 30 percent of Asian-Americans and Pacific Islanders reported that they had endured discrimination in the workplace, the highest reporting percentage of any racial group. Blacks were second at 26 percent.

The primary reason for this employment discrimination is that Asian-Americans are often deemed unsuited for high-ranking management positions.

Why we must talk about the Asian-American story, too

I'm not like most of you guys. I know what the fuck I am talking about.

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

A piece from New York Magazine's Andrew Sullivan over the weekend ended with an old, well-worn trope: Asian-Americans, with their "solid two-parent family structures," are a shining example of how to overcome discrimination. An essay that began by imagining why Democrats feel sorry for Hillary Clinton — and then detoured to President Trump's policies — drifted to this troubling ending:

"Today, Asian-Americans are among the most prosperous, well-educated, and successful ethnic groups in America. What gives? It couldn't possibly be that they maintained solid two-parent family structures, had social networks that looked after one another, placed enormous emphasis on education and hard work, and thereby turned false, negative stereotypes into true, positive ones, could it? It couldn't be that all whites are not racists or that the American dream still lives?"

Sullivan's piece, rife with generalizations about a group as vastly diverse as Asian-Americans, rightfully raised hackles. Not only inaccurate, his piece spreads the idea that Asian-Americans as a group are monolithic, even though parsing data by ethnicity reveals a host of disparities; for example, Bhutanese-Americans have far higher rates of poverty than other Asian populations, like Japanese-Americans. And at the root of Sullivan's pernicious argument is the idea that black failure and Asian success cannot be explained by inequities and racism, and that they are one and the same; this allows a segment of white America to avoid any responsibility for addressing racism or the damage it continues to inflict.

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

We will not be talking about Asian test scores anymore. Asian test scores are not the OP. As you see Asian SAT scores has not ended the racism Asians face and white men still get paid more.

Oh excuse me I was wrong about legacy points, it is 160. Funny how these points never get mentioned.

A contributor at The Amherst Student points out that recruited athletes get a bonus of 200 points, while legacy students receive a bonus of 160 points.

There is a history of not allowing all others entry into these universities regardless of what their mother fucking SAT scores were based on color. You don't get to pretend that didn't happen and you don't get t pretend that for over 200 years such access was denied to act like in 50 years it's a matter that has been all corrected.

The question has been asked, how has redlining helped whites today?

Thus endeth the lesson.

 

[Mudda]

You were brought from a shit hole called Africa and brought here. You weren't able to construct your own civilized society, so we're letting you in on ours. Your complaint is that it took too long. Tough, just suck it up princess.

Yeah, that shit hole called Africa. The whole continent, a shit hole! I'm sure you've traveled around it extensively to make that judgement.......

You can tell by the boatloads of them escaping to Europe every day.

But just curious, which part(s) of Africa aren't total shit holes?

I've never been to Africa, so I can't really say. I find it hard to believe an entire continent is a shit hole, however.

But here's some links to places in Africa that are, at least according to the articles, nice places to live or visit:
Find out Where's the Most Liveable Cities in Africa
Best of urban Africa: 10 cities worth going to | CNN Travel
26 of the most stunning spots in Africa | CNN Travel

I also notice you haven't mentioned any of your experiences in Africa from which you formed the opinion that the whole continent is a shit hole.

You can tell that Africa is shit by the fact that the freed slaves wouldn't even go back there.
US blacks don't want to move back either.

That's illogical and ridiculous. There are many places that aren't shit holes that I am not moving to. Not moving somewhere doesn't make the place you aren't moving to a shit hole. Nor is the quality of the place you are living the only consideration when it comes to moving, particularly when moving to a different country or even continent.

Do you think it would have been easy for freed slaves to pack up, find passage, and go to somewhere in Africa, then settle down and make a life there?

Your argument seems to be that, because someone doesn't want to (or finds it difficult to) move to a place with a different language and different culture, a place which doesn't have the friends and family that live where the person currently resides, that place they don't move to is shit.

Nobody migrates to Africa, but Africans come here in droves. WTF more proof do you need? Go through the countries one by one and check it out: Egypt = a mess, Libya = not even worth wasting bombs on anymore, Sudan = they're all starving, ...

So please, name me a couple of countries that nobody migrates to, that they have massive outflow of migrants to other countries, and that isn't a shit hole.

 

[Correll]

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When I am not talking about slavery, I can demand what the fuck I want.

You are representing yourself very, very poorly here.

You let a bunch of illogical comments get made to tell me this. You are not my evaluator son. You're just another dumb ass white pretending to be non racist.

At this point, you are just lashing out blindly. Get a hold of yourself and start over. It's not too late to admit your errors and present yourself as a reasonable person. State your case with calm reason and logic and people will respond in kind. Continue to act like a screeching lunatic and you will soon be nothing but fodder for the flame zone.

He can't.

If he admitted any validity to the opposing viewpoint, he would be repudiating all of his life's work, offending his professional allies and likely pissing off many of his personal friends.

There is no validity to your veiwpoint.

Says the man who's viewpoint is based on pretending to NOT understand grade school math.

 

[Correll]

There is no ant white discrimination. You keep talking about 8 colleges out of 3,000 where maybe 7-8 percent of the students are black the majority of students are white and you whine about some bullshit that doesn't exist even if the 230 points are given.

1. THe colleges were selected because the admissions are very competitive, thus you can see that discrimination that occurs.

2. The entire population of the nation is majority white, and whites, for whatever reason, generally out perform blacks academically. Given that, that whites are a majority in those schools, is not evidence that the discrimination does not take place.


3. IF the 230 points are GIVEN, then the discrimination is taking place. Giving someone else an unfair advantage because of skin color is what DISCRIMINATION IS!!!

4. If you really have a masters in the field, and can't see that, that is a massive condemnation of both the field and the entire higher education industry in this nation.

There is no discrimination in admittance if whites are the majority of those admitted. This is what idiots like you who whine about discrimination need to understand the definition An adverse impact must be created by the policy for discrimination to be proven. If whites are the majority of admitted students there is no adverse impact on whites. There is no discrimination in this policy son, and that's just the way it is.

It IS the way it is. If there is any discrimination taking place in admissions, every CURRENT study indicates that it is Asian students who are most at risk.

What he is doing is ignoring that glaring fact from the same study from 2004(13 years ago) that he posted, attempting to spin it to look like the admission of literally ANY black student is at the expense of MASSIVE numbers of white students.

It's laughable that he is still on a soapbox about proven BULLSHIT.

Opinion | White Students’ Unfair Advantage in Admissions

As always, I am not responsible for the voices in your head. NONE of the crazy you attribute to me, has anything to actually do with me or anything I said.


Please try again.

No need to venture down YOUR path of persecution again.

If you happened to be an Asian student who was actually being affected by the information in numerous studies out there, including the one you posted, then I might have some empathy, but you trying to ride on the coattails of their challenges relating to fainess in college admissions, does in fact effectively remove the mask from your psychosis.

There is nothing in this thread to "try again" for where you are concerned.

Carry on.

That Asians are discriminated against even MORE individually does not mean that many more whites are not discriminated against.



It is not credible that you cannot grasp that simple fact, based on the reality that you have the brain power to find your computer on a regular basis.

 

[katsteve2012]

1. THe colleges were selected because the admissions are very competitive, thus you can see that discrimination that occurs.

2. The entire population of the nation is majority white, and whites, for whatever reason, generally out perform blacks academically. Given that, that whites are a majority in those schools, is not evidence that the discrimination does not take place.


3. IF the 230 points are GIVEN, then the discrimination is taking place. Giving someone else an unfair advantage because of skin color is what DISCRIMINATION IS!!!

4. If you really have a masters in the field, and can't see that, that is a massive condemnation of both the field and the entire higher education industry in this nation.

There is no discrimination in admittance if whites are the majority of those admitted. This is what idiots like you who whine about discrimination need to understand the definition An adverse impact must be created by the policy for discrimination to be proven. If whites are the majority of admitted students there is no adverse impact on whites. There is no discrimination in this policy son, and that's just the way it is.

It IS the way it is. If there is any discrimination taking place in admissions, every CURRENT study indicates that it is Asian students who are most at risk.

What he is doing is ignoring that glaring fact from the same study from 2004(13 years ago) that he posted, attempting to spin it to look like the admission of literally ANY black student is at the expense of MASSIVE numbers of white students.

It's laughable that he is still on a soapbox about proven BULLSHIT.

Opinion | White Students’ Unfair Advantage in Admissions

As always, I am not responsible for the voices in your head. NONE of the crazy you attribute to me, has anything to actually do with me or anything I said.


Please try again.

No need to venture down YOUR path of persecution again.

If you happened to be an Asian student who was actually being affected by the information in numerous studies out there, including the one you posted, then I might have some empathy, but you trying to ride on the coattails of their challenges relating to fainess in college admissions, does in fact effectively remove the mask from your psychosis.

There is nothing in this thread to "try again" for where you are concerned.

Carry on.

That Asians are discriminated against even MORE individually does not mean that many more whites are not discriminated against.



It is not credible that you cannot grasp that simple fact, based on the reality that you have the brain power to find your computer on a regular basis.

I have more than one computer, so finding one is not an issue. What matters is the information that you use it to find.

"Credible" studies point to the fact that Asians are discriminated against in college admissions in favor of whites.

But you refuse to acknowledge that fact.

Why?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You haven't posted proof that whites get 200 points added.
Try again?

Instead, his research suggests that society simply became less racist toward Asians.

The real secret to Asian American success was not education

So again stop lying about how you are so concerned about Asians.

Why we must talk about the Asian-American story, too
Anti-Asian-American racism paints picture of a ‘model minority’

But some will maintain that this is all talk of the past, that this history says little about the present-day realities of Asian-Americans. They might note that in 1965 Congress rid racial discrimination from immigration and naturalization law. The convictions of Gordon Hirabayashi and Fred Korematsu, furthermore, were overturned in the 1980s and Japanese-Americans received reparations for internment around that same time. Racism barely scars the lives of Asian-Americans, these folk might insist, noting that America regards them as a so-called “model minority.”

In the 1960s, when articulated grievances against anti-black bigotry roiled throughout the American landscape, some leading white intellectuals, through the mainstream media, championed the idea that Asian-Americans constituted a model minority. The model minority myth holds that Asian-Americans are an incredibly successful group generally because of their personal responsibility and law-abiding behavior.

In 1966, the U.S. News & World Report, for instance, wrote, “At a time when Americans are awash in worry over the plight of racial minorities — one such minority, the nation’s 300,000 Chinese Americans, is winning wealth and respect by dint of its own hard work … Still being taught in Chinatown is the old idea that people should depend on their own efforts — not a welfare check—in order to reach America’s ‘promised land.’” The national press pumped out similar stories lauding Asian-Americans and indirectly scolding blacks, while scholarly work validating the model minority stereotype blanketed social science journals. Fifty years later, the model minority stereotype appears true both inside and outside the Asian-American population.

But the model minority stereotype is a myth that white supremacy devised partly to defend American society from the charges of racism leveled by black folk and those sympathetic to their complaints.

The model minority myth, furthermore, convinces citizens and power holders that Asian-Americans harbor no real need for government assistance. “The portrayal of Asian Americans as successful,” Seattle University School of Law professor Robert S. Chang wrote, “permits the general public, government officials, and the judiciary to ignore or marginalize the contemporary needs of Asian Americans.”

Besides this sort of neglect, Asian-Americans face active discrimination. Approximately 30 percent of Asian-Americans and Pacific Islanders reported that they had endured discrimination in the workplace, the highest reporting percentage of any racial group. Blacks were second at 26 percent.

The primary reason for this employment discrimination is that Asian-Americans are often deemed unsuited for high-ranking management positions.

Why we must talk about the Asian-American story, too

I'm not like most of you guys. I know what the fuck I am talking about.

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

A piece from New York Magazine's Andrew Sullivan over the weekend ended with an old, well-worn trope: Asian-Americans, with their "solid two-parent family structures," are a shining example of how to overcome discrimination. An essay that began by imagining why Democrats feel sorry for Hillary Clinton — and then detoured to President Trump's policies — drifted to this troubling ending:

"Today, Asian-Americans are among the most prosperous, well-educated, and successful ethnic groups in America. What gives? It couldn't possibly be that they maintained solid two-parent family structures, had social networks that looked after one another, placed enormous emphasis on education and hard work, and thereby turned false, negative stereotypes into true, positive ones, could it? It couldn't be that all whites are not racists or that the American dream still lives?"

Sullivan's piece, rife with generalizations about a group as vastly diverse as Asian-Americans, rightfully raised hackles. Not only inaccurate, his piece spreads the idea that Asian-Americans as a group are monolithic, even though parsing data by ethnicity reveals a host of disparities; for example, Bhutanese-Americans have far higher rates of poverty than other Asian populations, like Japanese-Americans. And at the root of Sullivan's pernicious argument is the idea that black failure and Asian success cannot be explained by inequities and racism, and that they are one and the same; this allows a segment of white America to avoid any responsibility for addressing racism or the damage it continues to inflict.

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

We will not be talking about Asian test scores anymore. Asian test scores are not the OP. As you see Asian SAT scores has not ended the racism Asians face and white men still get paid more.

Oh excuse me I was wrong about legacy points, it is 160. Funny how these points never get mentioned.

A contributor at The Amherst Student points out that recruited athletes get a bonus of 200 points, while legacy students receive a bonus of 160 points.

There is a history of not allowing all others entry into these universities regardless of what their mother fucking SAT scores were based on color. You don't get to pretend that didn't happen and you don't get t pretend that for over 200 years such access was denied to act like in 50 years it's a matter that has been all corrected.

The question has been asked, how has redlining helped whites today?

Thus endeth the lesson.

Why are egalitarians so stupid?

Just because there's some income disparities between different demographics, doesn't automatically mean it's from discrimination.

Yes, your chart shows that Whites with professional, and advanced degrees have more income.

But, does that mean that they all have the same degrees? some advanced degree fields pay more than others.

One demographic might be more skilled too, just because 2 people have the same degree, doesn't necessarily mean they have the same qualifications to make a business money.

Furthermore a lot of money can be generated from investments, maybe each group saves money for investments in a different manner.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You haven't posted proof that whites get 200 points added.
Try again?

You've been shown the facts that legacy points are provided in Ivy league schools. The point has been proven

You haven't posted proof there is a national policy of anti white discrimination based on policy .

Try again?

You've been shown the facts that legacy points are provided in Ivy league schools.

Yup. You bet.

The point has been proven

Bzzzzt. Wrong.
You said....."Correll, you don't seem to understand that whites get 200 legacy points"

Nothing you've posted proved that.

You haven't posted proof there is a national policy of anti white discrimination based on policy .

Who said anything about a national policy?
This is something that many, many individual colleges have chosen to do.
The Federal government didn't force them.

SAT Scores for Ivy League Admissions

All of the Ivy League schools have truly holistic admissions, so keep SAT scores in perspective and realize that they are just one part of the admissions equation. Perfect 800s across the board don't guarantee admission if other parts of your application are weak. Admissions officers will want to see a strong academic record, a winning essay, meaningful extracurricular activities and good letters of recommendation. A particularly compelling personal story or amazing special talent can partially make up for SAT scores that are below the norm for a school.

Compare SAT Scores for Ivy League Admissions

Your and Corrells entire argument has been about SAT scores. As you see here SAT scores are just one part of the admission process. It is not the sole determinant of admission. Therefore your entire argument is dead.

My god, your twisting to avoid understanding a simple fact.


All else being equal, the black student can have 230 less sat points and have an equal chance of being admitted as the white student.


NOTHING in that statement implies or suggest in any fashion that SAT scores are the sole determining factor.


YOur post is utterly senseless.

Thus beginneth todays lesson.

You keep talking about this 230 points but I can't find proof of it anywhere except on a conservative website. The Ivy League doesn;'t say that. In fact your information is derived from a person who runs the H2 Academy and assumes racial bias is part of the process. There is no black bonus, the person named Ann Lee claims one by calling it that.

Some Asians who ae being dumb refuse to understand they are also benefactors of Affirmative Action. An Asian would npt be allowed entrance into these schools without the policy. More Asians would not be admitted if the policy ends.

Asians Penalized 50 Points On SAT – Black Students Given 230 Bonus Points…

You see this stereotype by whites about the Asan being the model minority is not new.

The real reasons the U.S. became less racist toward Asian Americans

To combat racism, minorities in the United States have

often attempted to portray themselves as upstanding citizens capable of assimilating into mainstream culture. Asian Americans were no different, Wu writes. Some, like the Chinese, sought respectability by promoting stories about their obedient children and their traditional family values. The Japanese pointed to their wartime service as proof of their shared Americanness.

African Americans in the 1940s made very similar appeals. But in the postwar moment, Wu argues, it was only convenient for political leaders to hear the Asian voices.

The model minority narrative may have started with Asian Americans, but it was quickly co-opted by white politicians who saw it as a tool to win allies in the Cold War. Discrimination was not a good look on the international stage. Embracing Asian Americans “provided a powerful means for the United States to proclaim itself a racial democracy and thereby credentialed to assume the leadership of the free world,” Wu writes. Stories about Asian American success were turned into propaganda.

By the 1960s, anxieties about the civil right movement caused white Americans to further invest in positive portrayals of Asian Americans. The image of the hard-working Asian became an extremely convenient way to deny the demands of African Americans. As Wu describes in her book, both liberal and conservative politicians pumped up the image of Asian Americans as a way to shift the blame for black poverty. If Asians could find success within the system, politicians asked, why couldn’t African Americans?

“The insinuation was that hard work along with unwavering faith in the government and liberal democracy as opposed to political protest were the keys to overcoming racial barriers as well as achieving full citizenship,” she writes.

The real reasons the U.S. became less racist toward Asian Americans

So as I have said before stop using asians for your argument because you don't give a damn about them. Yu ae only trying to cite what you whote folks have made up about Asians to try denying the truth of what us black folks say about your racism.

The real secret to Asian American success was not education

“The widespread assumption is that Asian Americans came to the United States very disadvantaged, and they wound up advantaged through extraordinary investments in their children’s education,” says Brown University economist Nathaniel Hilger.

But that's not what really happened, he says.

Hilger recently used old census records to trace the fortunes of whites, blacks and Asians who were born in California during the early- to mid-20th century. He found that educational gains had little to do with how Asian Americans managed to close the wage gap with whites by the 1970s.


Instead, his research suggests that society simply became less racist toward Asians.

The real secret to Asian American success was not education

So again stop lying about how you are so concerned about Asians.

Why we must talk about the Asian-American story, too
Anti-Asian-American racism paints picture of a ‘model minority’

But some will maintain that this is all talk of the past, that this history says little about the present-day realities of Asian-Americans. They might note that in 1965 Congress rid racial discrimination from immigration and naturalization law. The convictions of Gordon Hirabayashi and Fred Korematsu, furthermore, were overturned in the 1980s and Japanese-Americans received reparations for internment around that same time. Racism barely scars the lives of Asian-Americans, these folk might insist, noting that America regards them as a so-called “model minority.”

In the 1960s, when articulated grievances against anti-black bigotry roiled throughout the American landscape, some leading white intellectuals, through the mainstream media, championed the idea that Asian-Americans constituted a model minority. The model minority myth holds that Asian-Americans are an incredibly successful group generally because of their personal responsibility and law-abiding behavior.

In 1966, the U.S. News & World Report, for instance, wrote, “At a time when Americans are awash in worry over the plight of racial minorities — one such minority, the nation’s 300,000 Chinese Americans, is winning wealth and respect by dint of its own hard work … Still being taught in Chinatown is the old idea that people should depend on their own efforts — not a welfare check—in order to reach America’s ‘promised land.’” The national press pumped out similar stories lauding Asian-Americans and indirectly scolding blacks, while scholarly work validating the model minority stereotype blanketed social science journals. Fifty years later, the model minority stereotype appears true both inside and outside the Asian-American population.

But the model minority stereotype is a myth that white supremacy devised partly to defend American society from the charges of racism leveled by black folk and those sympathetic to their complaints.

The model minority myth, furthermore, convinces citizens and power holders that Asian-Americans harbor no real need for government assistance. “The portrayal of Asian Americans as successful,” Seattle University School of Law professor Robert S. Chang wrote, “permits the general public, government officials, and the judiciary to ignore or marginalize the contemporary needs of Asian Americans.”

Besides this sort of neglect, Asian-Americans face active discrimination. Approximately 30 percent of Asian-Americans and Pacific Islanders reported that they had endured discrimination in the workplace, the highest reporting percentage of any racial group. Blacks were second at 26 percent.

The primary reason for this employment discrimination is that Asian-Americans are often deemed unsuited for high-ranking management positions.

Why we must talk about the Asian-American story, too

I'm not like most of you guys. I know what the fuck I am talking about.

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

A piece from New York Magazine's Andrew Sullivan over the weekend ended with an old, well-worn trope: Asian-Americans, with their "solid two-parent family structures," are a shining example of how to overcome discrimination. An essay that began by imagining why Democrats feel sorry for Hillary Clinton — and then detoured to President Trump's policies — drifted to this troubling ending:

"Today, Asian-Americans are among the most prosperous, well-educated, and successful ethnic groups in America. What gives? It couldn't possibly be that they maintained solid two-parent family structures, had social networks that looked after one another, placed enormous emphasis on education and hard work, and thereby turned false, negative stereotypes into true, positive ones, could it? It couldn't be that all whites are not racists or that the American dream still lives?"

Sullivan's piece, rife with generalizations about a group as vastly diverse as Asian-Americans, rightfully raised hackles. Not only inaccurate, his piece spreads the idea that Asian-Americans as a group are monolithic, even though parsing data by ethnicity reveals a host of disparities; for example, Bhutanese-Americans have far higher rates of poverty than other Asian populations, like Japanese-Americans. And at the root of Sullivan's pernicious argument is the idea that black failure and Asian success cannot be explained by inequities and racism, and that they are one and the same; this allows a segment of white America to avoid any responsibility for addressing racism or the damage it continues to inflict.

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

We will not be talking about Asian test scores anymore. Asian test scores are not the OP. As you see Asian SAT scores has not ended the racism Asians face and white men still get paid more.

Oh excuse me I was wrong about legacy points, it is 160. Funny how these points never get mentioned.

A contributor at The Amherst Student points out that recruited athletes get a bonus of 200 points, while legacy students receive a bonus of 160 points.

There is a history of not allowing all others entry into these universities regardless of what their mother fucking SAT scores were based on color. You don't get to pretend that didn't happen and you don't get t pretend that for over 200 years such access was denied to act like in 50 years it's a matter that has been all corrected.

The question has been asked, how has redlining helped whites today?

Thus endeth the lesson.

You keep talking about this 230 points but I can't find proof of it anywhere except on a conservative website.

https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/Admission Preferences Espenshade Chung Walling Dec 2004.pdf

DERP!

After California passed Proposition 209 in 1996, which prohibited universities from considering race in admissions, Asian first-year enrollment at UC Berkeley increased from 37.3 percent in 1995 to 43.6 percent in 2000 to 46.6 percent by 2005. At UCSD, it increased from 35.9 percent in 1995 to 46.9 percent in 2005. (3)

The Admissions Race | The Amherst Student

Check it out, evidence that Asian students were hurt by the AA preferences given.


The question has been asked, how has redlining helped whites today?

Fewer whiners in their neighborhoods?