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THE OTHER SIDE of the Journolist scandal which does not absolve the leftist media who are still culpable, but may mitigate some of the most damning evidence or at least fleshes out some of the 'rest of the story':
Roger Simon writes:
Somewhere along the way, things have gone terribly wrong. Journalism has become a toy, an electronic plaything. I do not blame technology. The giant megaphone of technology has been coupled with a new, angrier, more destructive age. (Yes, you can find extremely angry, extremely partisan times in our past, but I always thought the goal was to progress over the centuries, not regress.)
Until recently, there was a semisecret, off-the-record organization called Journolist. It was a listserv, which is a bunch of people who sign up (if allowed) and then get the same e-mails and can reply to everybody on the list.
Journolist was founded by Ezra Klein in early 2007, when he was 22 and working for the liberal publication The American Prospect. Klein continued running it when he went to The Washington Post in 2009. The Post is a mainstream publication, but Journolist was limited to those from nonpartisan to liberal, center to left. . . . .
. . . .Recently, however, the conservative website The Daily Caller, run by Tucker Carlson, got hold of many Journolist e-mails and printed the most provocative, which to some gave every appearance of a left-wing conspiracy to slant news coverage in favor of Barack Obama. Journolist posts by Washington Post blogger Dave Weigel, who was helping cover the conservative movement, that were critical of conservative icons, including Matt Drudge, prompted Weigel to resign.
The result was explosive, and Klein closed down Journolist, while denying there was anything evil about it. If people had been getting together and deciding on a message and then publishing that message, that would have been clearly unethical, and I would not have allowed it, and it didnt happen, Klein told me Tuesday.
Tucker Carlson e-mailed me: What they did discredits journalism in general, and honorable liberal journalists in particular. I know plenty of progressives who have a healthy skepticism even of candidates they voted for. Most of the members of Journolist didnt.
In any case, the hubbub is now virtually over. The buzz is done buzzing, and the media have moved on from Journolist to WikiLeaks.
And yet some are still troubled.
Chuck Todd, political director and chief White House correspondent for NBC News, who was not part of Journolist, told me this:
I am sure Ezra had good intentions when he created it, but I am offended the right is using this as a sledgehammer against those of us who dont practice activist journalism.
Journolist was pretty offensive. Those of us who are mainstream journalists got mixed in with journalists with an agenda. Those folks who thought they were improving journalism are destroying the credibility of journalism.
Read more: Journolist veers out of bounds - Roger Simon - POLITICO.com
The Right has always been so tolerant of the Left.The Left Hates Conservatives
Tuesday, July 27, 2010
1. "Perhaps the most telling of the recent revelations of the liberal/left Journolist, a list consisting of about 400 major liberal/left journalists, is the depth of their hatred of conservatives as exemplified by the e-mail from an NPR reporter expressing her wish to personally see Rush Limbaugh die a painful death -- and the apparent absence of any objection from the other liberal journalists.
2. Every one of us on the right has seen this hatred [by] mainstream elite liberal journalists. There is simply nothing analogous among elite conservative journalists. Yes, nearly all conservatives believe that the left is leading America to ruin. But while there is plenty of conservative anger over this fact, there is little or nothing on the right to match the left's hatred of conservative individuals.
3. From Karl Marx to today, the Left has always hated people on the Right, not merely differed or been angry with them. Why?
a. First, the left thinks the right is evil. Examples are innumerable. For example, Howard Dean, the former head of the Democratic Party said, "In contradistinction to the Republicans ... (Democrats) don't believe kids ought to go to bed hungry at night." Or take Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla., who, among many similar comments, said, "I want to say a few words about what it means to be a Democrat. It's very simple: We have a conscience."
b. Second, when you don't confront real evil, you hate those who do. Whether out of guilt over their own cowardice or fear that the one who confronted the bully would provoke the bully to lash out more, those who refuse to confront the bully often resent the one who does. During the 1980s, the left expressed far more hatred of Ronald Reagan than of Soviet Communist dictator Leonid Brezhnev. And, when Reagan labeled the Soviet Union an "evil empire," the liberal world was enraged ... at Reagan. Today, the left has similar contempt for those who take a hard line on Islamic terror. The liberal and leftist media routinely place quote marks around the words War on Terror the Obama administration has actually forbidden use of the term "Islamic terror." The real enemies the Democratic administration is prepared to name are the Republican Party, tea parties, Fox News and talk radio.
c. Third, the left's utopian vision is prevented only by the right. From its inception, leftism has been a secular utopian religion .imagining a utopian future. There will be no poor, no war, no conflict, no inequality. That future is only a few more government programs away from reality. And who stands in the way of such perfection? Conservatives.
4. How could a utopian not hate a conservative? The right, with its beliefs in a strong military; in individuals, not the state; taking care of themselves, their families and their neighbors; and in punishing criminals, is the anti-Love, a figure as reviled on the left as the antichrist is to Christians. The right, with its beliefs in a strong military; in individuals, not the state; taking care of themselves, their families and their neighbors; and in punishing criminals, is the anti-Love, a figure as reviled on the left as the antichrist is to Christians.
a. This hatred will only increase if the left feels its programs to greatly increase the size of the government are in any way threatened in the forthcoming elections."
The Dennis Prager Show
The Right has always been so tolerant of the Left.The Left Hates Conservatives
Tuesday, July 27, 2010
1. "Perhaps the most telling of the recent revelations of the liberal/left Journolist, a list consisting of about 400 major liberal/left journalists, is the depth of their hatred of conservatives as exemplified by the e-mail from an NPR reporter expressing her wish to personally see Rush Limbaugh die a painful death -- and the apparent absence of any objection from the other liberal journalists.
2. Every one of us on the right has seen this hatred [by] mainstream elite liberal journalists. There is simply nothing analogous among elite conservative journalists. Yes, nearly all conservatives believe that the left is leading America to ruin. But while there is plenty of conservative anger over this fact, there is little or nothing on the right to match the left's hatred of conservative individuals.
3. From Karl Marx to today, the Left has always hated people on the Right, not merely differed or been angry with them. Why?
a. First, the left thinks the right is evil. Examples are innumerable. For example, Howard Dean, the former head of the Democratic Party said, "In contradistinction to the Republicans ... (Democrats) don't believe kids ought to go to bed hungry at night." Or take Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla., who, among many similar comments, said, "I want to say a few words about what it means to be a Democrat. It's very simple: We have a conscience."
b. Second, when you don't confront real evil, you hate those who do. Whether out of guilt over their own cowardice or fear that the one who confronted the bully would provoke the bully to lash out more, those who refuse to confront the bully often resent the one who does. During the 1980s, the left expressed far more hatred of Ronald Reagan than of Soviet Communist dictator Leonid Brezhnev. And, when Reagan labeled the Soviet Union an "evil empire," the liberal world was enraged ... at Reagan. Today, the left has similar contempt for those who take a hard line on Islamic terror. The liberal and leftist media routinely place quote marks around the words War on Terror the Obama administration has actually forbidden use of the term "Islamic terror." The real enemies the Democratic administration is prepared to name are the Republican Party, tea parties, Fox News and talk radio.
c. Third, the left's utopian vision is prevented only by the right. From its inception, leftism has been a secular utopian religion .imagining a utopian future. There will be no poor, no war, no conflict, no inequality. That future is only a few more government programs away from reality. And who stands in the way of such perfection? Conservatives.
4. How could a utopian not hate a conservative? The right, with its beliefs in a strong military; in individuals, not the state; taking care of themselves, their families and their neighbors; and in punishing criminals, is the anti-Love, a figure as reviled on the left as the antichrist is to Christians. The right, with its beliefs in a strong military; in individuals, not the state; taking care of themselves, their families and their neighbors; and in punishing criminals, is the anti-Love, a figure as reviled on the left as the antichrist is to Christians.
a. This hatred will only increase if the left feels its programs to greatly increase the size of the government are in any way threatened in the forthcoming elections."
The Dennis Prager Show
It's an idea that would likely have bipartisan support. It would save social security.
You do know that if our politicians hadn't raided the kitty and not repay we wouldn't be in the debacle, right?
Isn't that how the democrats got Obama elected?
I'm sure in many pockets of the country there were people who simply wanted Obama to be president because he was (a) black, (b) promised health care, (c) was a great orator or (d) all of the above, and were gullible enough to believe that all campaign promises would be fulfilled. But I think most of us voted for him because he was the party's candidate, period.
I specifically meant, however, that the right wing noise machine has always had the talent to transfix their audience to the point of believing anything they say, factual or not.
I think that the majority of the voters for each party are gullible, Maggie. Most do not partake in politics and vote on the snippets, and headlines.
It's an idea that would likely have bipartisan support. It would save social security.
You do know that if our politicians hadn't raided the kitty and not repay we wouldn't be in the debacle, right?
The solvency of Social Security is something that can't continue to be shoved under the rug, which is what playing the blame game will do. Can we just ONCE debate something without spending an inordinate amount of time with the he-did-it-no-he-did-it bullshit?
It's an idea that would likely have bipartisan support. It would save social security.
You do know that if our politicians hadn't raided the kitty and not repay we wouldn't be in the debacle, right?
The solvency of Social Security is something that can't continue to be shoved under the rug, which is what playing the blame game will do. Can we just ONCE debate something without spending an inordinate amount of time with the he-did-it-no-he-did-it bullshit?
Link?
About what? Them doing it the first time or the 2nd time? I already posted a link as to the first time. As for the second time, it's my logical and educated assumption that it wouldn't change.
You do know that if our politicians hadn't raided the kitty and not repay we wouldn't be in the debacle, right?
The solvency of Social Security is something that can't continue to be shoved under the rug, which is what playing the blame game will do. Can we just ONCE debate something without spending an inordinate amount of time with the he-did-it-no-he-did-it bullshit?
Why not look at one of the possible solutions offered to the social security problem, such as raising the retirement age to 70?
I'm on the left and I don't do it.
At least you agree that Prager and everyone who agrees with him here are doing it.
No, I'm not agreeing to anything,
I'm calling you out on a bone headed remark.
I would have to backtrack and re-read the exchange, but if the dispute is over whether liberals are more hypocritical than conservatives, I would point to the opening dissertation by a known uber conservative radio commentator, known to write/say inflamatory things to which his choir all jumps in to high five. But when a "liberal" counters the argument, he/she is slapped with being an ignorant partisan. The only thing ignorant is that perception.
If it gives you comfort to demonize the other side of the aisle, so be it.
Political CHic is a poster on a website that has no more than 100 people at a time reading it.
Our Presdsident is followed by every news agancy and every word he speaks is broadcast nationally.
And you certainly can not deny that he is continually demonizing the other side of the aisle.
Can you recall any other President that has done this so frequently in the past 40 years?
Or asking that those incomes over $92,000. pay into Social Security.You do know that if our politicians hadn't raided the kitty and not repay we wouldn't be in the debacle, right?
The solvency of Social Security is something that can't continue to be shoved under the rug, which is what playing the blame game will do. Can we just ONCE debate something without spending an inordinate amount of time with the he-did-it-no-he-did-it bullshit?
Why not look at one of the possible solutions offered to the social security problem, such as raising the retirement age to 70?
they already doOr asking that those incomes over $92,000. pay into Social Security.The solvency of Social Security is something that can't continue to be shoved under the rug, which is what playing the blame game will do. Can we just ONCE debate something without spending an inordinate amount of time with the he-did-it-no-he-did-it bullshit?
Why not look at one of the possible solutions offered to the social security problem, such as raising the retirement age to 70?
The Left Hates Conservatives
Tuesday, July 27, 2010
1. "Perhaps the most telling of the recent revelations of the liberal/left Journolist, a list consisting of about 400 major liberal/left journalists, is the depth of their hatred of conservatives as exemplified by the e-mail from an NPR reporter expressing her wish to personally see Rush Limbaugh die a painful death -- and the apparent absence of any objection from the other liberal journalists.
2. Every one of us on the right has seen this hatred [by] mainstream elite liberal journalists. There is simply nothing analogous among elite conservative journalists. Yes, nearly all conservatives believe that the left is leading America to ruin. But while there is plenty of conservative anger over this fact, there is little or nothing on the right to match the left's hatred of conservative individuals.
3. From Karl Marx to today, the Left has always hated people on the Right, not merely differed or been angry with them. Why?
a. First, the left thinks the right is evil. Examples are innumerable. For example, Howard Dean, the former head of the Democratic Party said, "In contradistinction to the Republicans ... (Democrats) don't believe kids ought to go to bed hungry at night." Or take Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla., who, among many similar comments, said, "I want to say a few words about what it means to be a Democrat. It's very simple: We have a conscience."
b. Second, when you don't confront real evil, you hate those who do. Whether out of guilt over their own cowardice or fear that the one who confronted the bully would provoke the bully to lash out more, those who refuse to confront the bully often resent the one who does. During the 1980s, the left expressed far more hatred of Ronald Reagan than of Soviet Communist dictator Leonid Brezhnev. And, when Reagan labeled the Soviet Union an "evil empire," the liberal world was enraged ... at Reagan. Today, the left has similar contempt for those who take a hard line on Islamic terror. The liberal and leftist media routinely place quote marks around the words War on Terror the Obama administration has actually forbidden use of the term "Islamic terror." The real enemies the Democratic administration is prepared to name are the Republican Party, tea parties, Fox News and talk radio.
c. Third, the left's utopian vision is prevented only by the right. From its inception, leftism has been a secular utopian religion .imagining a utopian future. There will be no poor, no war, no conflict, no inequality. That future is only a few more government programs away from reality. And who stands in the way of such perfection? Conservatives.
4. How could a utopian not hate a conservative? The right, with its beliefs in a strong military; in individuals, not the state; taking care of themselves, their families and their neighbors; and in punishing criminals, is the anti-Love, a figure as reviled on the left as the antichrist is to Christians. The right, with its beliefs in a strong military; in individuals, not the state; taking care of themselves, their families and their neighbors; and in punishing criminals, is the anti-Love, a figure as reviled on the left as the antichrist is to Christians.
a. This hatred will only increase if the left feels its programs to greatly increase the size of the government are in any way threatened in the forthcoming elections."
The Dennis Prager Show
Best example of 'projection' I've seen in a very long time.
2. Every one of us on the right has seen this hatred [by] mainstream elite liberal journalists. There is simply nothing analogous among elite conservative journalists.
In the best irony of the week, Dennis Prager is exactly analogous, from the right, to what he's describing on the left.
You're trying to make liberalism something solid. It's not. What's we're talking about are points of view as individual as the people themselves.
