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    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0616Sept11Panel16-ON.html

    9/11 panel: Iraq rebuffed bin Laden request
    Associated Press
    Jun. 16, 2004 08:15 AM


    WASHINGTON - Bluntly contradicting the Bush administration, the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday there was "no credible evidence" that Saddam Hussein helped al-Qaida target the United States.

    In a chilling report that sketched the history of Osama bin Laden's network, the commission said his far-flung training camps were "apparently quite good." Terrorists-to-be were encouraged to "think creatively about ways to commit mass murder," it added.

    Bin Laden made overtures to Saddam for assistance, the commission said in the staff report, as he did with leaders in Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan and elsewhere as he sought to build an Islamic army.

    While Saddam dispatched a senior Iraqi intelligence official to Sudan to meet with bin Laden in 1994, the commission said it had not turned up evidence of a "collaborative relationship."

    The Bush administration has long claimed links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida, and cited them as one reason for last year's invasion of Iraq.

    On Monday, Vice President Dick Cheney said in a speech that the Iraqi dictator "had long established ties with al-Qaida."

    The bipartisan commission issued its findings as it embarked on two days of public hearings into the worst terrorist attacks in American history.

    The panel intends to issue a final report in July on the hijackings on Sept. 11, 2001 that killed nearly 3,000, destroyed the World Trade Centers in New York and damaged the Pentagon outside Washington. A fourth plane commandeered by terrorists crashed in the countryside in Pennsylvania.

    The staff report pieced together information on the development of bin Laden's network, from the far-flung training camps in Afghanistan and elsewhere, to funding from "well-placed financial facilitators and diversions of funds from Islamic charities."

    Reports that bin Laden had a huge personal fortune to finance acts of terror are overstated, the report said.

    The description of the training camp operations contained elements of faint, grudging praise.

    "A worldwide jihad needed terrorists who could bomb embassies or hijack airliners, but it also needed foot soldiers for the Taliban in its war against the Northern Alliance, and guerrillas who could shoot down Russian helicopters in Chechnya or ambush Indian units in Kashmir," it said.

    According to one unnamed senior al-Qaida associate, various ideas were floated by mujahadeen in Afghanistan, the commission said. The options included taking over a launcher and forcing Russian scientists to fire a nuclear missile at the United States, mounting mustard gas or cyanide attacks against Jewish areas in Iraq or releasing poison gas into the air conditioning system of a targeted building.

    "Last but not least, hijacking an aircraft and crashing it into an airport or nearby city," it said.

    The Iraq connection long suggested by administration officials gained no currency in the report.

    "Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded," the report said. "There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al-Qaida also occurred" after bin Laden moved his operations to Afghanistan in 1996, "but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," it said.

    "Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al-Qaida and Iraq," the report said.

    In a separate report, the commission staff said that senior al-Qaida planner Khalid Shaihk Mohammed initially proposed a Sept. 11 attack involving 10 planes. An expanded target list included the CIA and FBI headquarters, unidentified nuclear plants and tall buildings in California and Washington state.

    That ambitious plan was rejected by bin Laden, who ultimately approved a scaled-back mission involving four planes, the report said. Mohammed wanted more hijackers for those planes - 25 or 26, instead of 19.

    The commission has identified at least 10 al-Qaida operatives who were to participate but could not take part for reasons including visa problems and suspicion by officials at airports in the United States and overseas.

    From a seamless operation, the report portrays a plot riven by internal dissent, including disagreement over whether to target the White House or the Capitol that was apparently never resolved prior to the attacks. Bin Laden also had to overcome opposition to attacking the United States from Mullah Omar, leader of the former Taliban regime, who was under pressure from Pakistan to keep al-Qaida confined.

    The United States toppled the regime in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, but Omar has eluded capture, as has al-Qaida.



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    All I know is that Saddam supported various terrorist organizations, terrorist organizations associated with Al Qaeda operated in Iraq, and there are other links as well. Even if there was no 9/11 connection, it's not like there were no connections at all to terrorism, but some people might try to believe that fairy tale anyway.
     
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    http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/27/100047.shtml
    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005133

    No credible evidence huh? Don't worry. the more of Saddam's papers that will be uncovered, the more it is clear that we were right.
     
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    Liberals will just stick their fingers in their ears and go, "La la la la la. I can't hear you." when they hear stuff like that.
     
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    That is why their joke of an ideology will eventually wither and die out.
     
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    No, that's what you did when you saw the top article on the 9-11 Commission's report that refuted any Hussein/9-11 connection.

    The WSJ article posted by insein however also reveals that there might have been a link that was just hidden very well. It doesn't seem like a sureity. However, what was Shakir's role in the Iraqi government? I noticed the article mentioned the Fedayeen, but that was all. And why did the CIA let him loose?
     
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    WASHINGTON - Bluntly contradicting the Bush administration, the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday there was "no credible evidence" that Saddam Hussein helped al-Qaida target the United States.


    [SPIN ALERT]: It says there is no connection between Iraq and 9/11 but not "no connection between Al-qaida and Iraq". [/SPIN ALERT]

    What is is?
     
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    Does anyone wonder when Cheney will come back to the real world? Just two days ago, Cheney said Iraq had "long established ties" with al Qaeda, which is completely unsubstantiated.(Forgive me if I ignore what the rightwing WSJ and newsmax have to say on that matter)

    If al-Qaeda and Iraq are so close, how can there be no connection between 9/11 and Iraq?
     
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    Uh, did anyone else read the following in the original posting??

    Right. Sending high ranking spooks for clandestine meetings with Al Qaeda operatives is innocent? It was probably a friendly get together to bet on the camel races.

    How about the other meeting that the Czechs caught? They expelled an Iraqi 'diplomat' after catching him meeting with an Al Qaeda operative. Poker night?

    The investigation turned up concrete proof that there were open lines of communication between Saddam and Al Qaeda, and yet they're confident that there wasn't a 'collaborative relationship'?

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    colllaborative smolaborative.....

    Iraq recognized AQ. That is enough to make them complicit in my eyes. By sending "diplomats" to meet with OBL, he indicated that he viewed AQ as a legitimate organization. That in of itself is enough for me to indicate a "relationship".
     

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