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How has it effected us?

Part of that is we arent allowed to know.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Do people really support the Patriot Act? It seems y'all don't understand the unlimited power it gives to the govt. over it's citizens. You guys awnna live in a potential Nazi state and trust your govt. with your lives?

Yes people support the patriot act. How many times have we seen people come on here and start with the BS about Bush should have stopped the attacks? How would he have done that? If any of the searches we do at airports today were started for any reason before 9-11 the Liberals would have been having seizures because of it.

Yeah that's real smart, in the name of defense right? You know what's better than the govt. defending you? You defending yourself, from terrorists or the govt. We don't need spying or any of this shit.

You now pretend that you are trained to defend yourself from terrorists? And you wonder why I call you an idiot? The constitution of the United States gives the Government the power to provide for the common defense.

Besides when did terrorist attacks spike like this? Oh right since we started these occupations, why don't we just leave these countries and mind our own business instead of provoking attacks on ourselves? I mean really what was the reason OBL gave for 9/11 again? Oh right the occupation of Saudi Arabia and the aid to Israel both things we should cut. If we were a neutral state that didn't meddle with other people, do you REALLY think we would be attacked by terrorists?

When did terrorists attacks spike? How far back would you like to go? I was dodging terrorist bombs in Europe in the 70's.....You want to go back even further? We can.....

And let's look at this stat, you are 8 times more likely to die from a cop than a terrorist attack. Or any hundreds of thousands of times more likely to die from a heart attack than a terrorist attack, yet we need to give up all of our rights in this bill to MAYBE prevent an attack from happening?

What stat? Where did you pull this crap from? And what rights have you given up?

You've got to be kidding me at the amount of stupidity found in Americans today, wow.

On this we can agree, there are some truly stupid people out there.


Now, care for some more debate or would you rather just be an idiot?

 

[del]

I've been called worse.

How's the patriot act effected you?

it's made banking a real pain in the ass for one thing, but how it affects me really isn't the point.

are you going to tell me now that if i have nothing to hide, i have nothing to worry about?

Yeah, it's also made banking real hard for terrorists, which has been the key to keeping us safe.

The way you phrase the question is clever, but with respect to the legislation, if you are not a terrorist, then you have nothing to worry about.

who decides who is a terrorist?

maybe you are willing to put your fate in the hands of those asshats that run DHS, but you can include me out.

 

[Rocko]

How has it effected us?

Part of that is we arent allowed to know.

How do you suggest we freeze assets without due-diligence?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

it's made banking a real pain in the ass for one thing, but how it affects me really isn't the point.

are you going to tell me now that if i have nothing to hide, i have nothing to worry about?

What do you fear?

Are you a gay anti war closet Muslim that supports Palin while looking at internet porn?

Seriously though how has the patriot act affected your banking? The only noticible affect I saw was when I had transactions over 10k. And even then it really wasn't a big deal. 5 extra minutes of my time more or less.

my banking is none of the govt's business if i don't break any laws.

my life is none of the govt's business if i don't break any laws.

we've gone from innocent until proven guilty to guilty until the govt says otherwise. fuck that.

you might think it's worth it, but i think it sucks.

You realize that banking transaction were always tracked by the IRS before the patriot act right? For tax purposes. The only difference is now transactions over 10k usually required an id from you and a little paperwork on the banks part.

Now if you got a problem with any of that then your problem predates the patriots act. So let's ask again. How has it affected your life in a negative manner?

 

[imbalance]

it's made banking a real pain in the ass for one thing, but how it affects me really isn't the point.

are you going to tell me now that if i have nothing to hide, i have nothing to worry about?

Yeah, it's also made banking real hard for terrorists, which has been the key to keeping us safe.

The way you phrase the question is clever, but with respect to the legislation, if you are not a terrorist, then you have nothing to worry about.

who decides who is a terrorist?

Potentially president Obama.

Deep inside the National Defense Authorization Act (S. 1867) that the Senate is currently considering is a dangerous and unconstitutional portion that needs to be stripped out. Congress would grant the President the power to use the military in order to detain certain individuals, including American citizens, without trial or due process, indefinitely.

Section 1031 of the National Defense Authorization Act reads: “Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force … includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons…. [including] [d]etention under the law of war without trial….” This “indefinite detention” section hands over to the Executive Branch the power to have the military arrest U.S. citizens. No trial needed. Simple suspicion would suffice.

Stop Indefinite Detention of U.S. Citizens Without Due Process | The Moral Liberal

 

[Rocko]

it's made banking a real pain in the ass for one thing, but how it affects me really isn't the point.

are you going to tell me now that if i have nothing to hide, i have nothing to worry about?

Yeah, it's also made banking real hard for terrorists, which has been the key to keeping us safe.

The way you phrase the question is clever, but with respect to the legislation, if you are not a terrorist, then you have nothing to worry about.

who decides who is a terrorist?

maybe you are willing to put your fate in the hands of those asshats that run DHS, but you can include me out.

I put my trust in the Pentagon.

Think about how many radical terrorists want us dead, and then think of how easy it would be to come up with a simple sinister plot. We've been able to prevent that. That has to inspire some confidence.

 

[del]

What do you fear?

Are you a gay anti war closet Muslim that supports Palin while looking at internet porn?

Seriously though how has the patriot act affected your banking? The only noticible affect I saw was when I had transactions over 10k. And even then it really wasn't a big deal. 5 extra minutes of my time more or less.

my banking is none of the govt's business if i don't break any laws.

my life is none of the govt's business if i don't break any laws.

we've gone from innocent until proven guilty to guilty until the govt says otherwise. fuck that.

you might think it's worth it, but i think it sucks.

You realize that banking transaction were always tracked by the IRS before the patriot act right? For tax purposes. The only difference is now transactions over 10k usually required an id from you and a little paperwork on the banks part.

Now if you got a problem with any of that then your problem predates the patriots act. So let's ask again. How has it affected your life in a negative manner?

what part of how it affects my life isn't the point don't you get?

besides all of it?

 

[paulitician]

Yeah, it's also made banking real hard for terrorists, which has been the key to keeping us safe.

The way you phrase the question is clever, but with respect to the legislation, if you are not a terrorist, then you have nothing to worry about.

who decides who is a terrorist?

maybe you are willing to put your fate in the hands of those asshats that run DHS, but you can include me out.

I put my trust in the Pentagon.

Think about how many radical terrorists want us dead, and then think of how easy it would be to come up with a simple sinister plot. We've been able to prevent that. That has to inspire some confidence.

Did i read this right? You put your trust in the Pentagon? Man oh man,some people just can't be helped. I'm not even gonna bother anymore with this one. See ya.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

All the Patriot Act does is allow agencies to do the same thing they've already been doing, but with less oversight. That's my problem with it, I want the oversight. I want the president to have to file for a warrant, I want law enforcement to have to go through multiple channels before labeling someone a terrorist. Unlike hypocritical Republicans, I don't trust my government no matter what the issue, be it taxes, regulation, anti-terrorism, or what have you.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

my banking is none of the govt's business if i don't break any laws.

my life is none of the govt's business if i don't break any laws.

we've gone from innocent until proven guilty to guilty until the govt says otherwise. fuck that.

you might think it's worth it, but i think it sucks.

You realize that banking transaction were always tracked by the IRS before the patriot act right? For tax purposes. The only difference is now transactions over 10k usually required an id from you and a little paperwork on the banks part.

Now if you got a problem with any of that then your problem predates the patriots act. So let's ask again. How has it affected your life in a negative manner?

what part of how it affects my life isn't the point don't you get?

besides all of it?

You listed banking as an issue and I debunked it. The banks and IRS have always tracked funds despite the PA. As far as your assertion that just because it doesn't affect you its bad for "someone" well, ..... That's just assenine.

Freedom isn't free. If we can allow our youth to fight our wars and die for us then by god we can stand in line for an extra ten minutes if for no other reason than to show them we respect their sacrifice.

 

[Rocko]

who decides who is a terrorist?

maybe you are willing to put your fate in the hands of those asshats that run DHS, but you can include me out.

I put my trust in the Pentagon.

Think about how many radical terrorists want us dead, and then think of how easy it would be to come up with a simple sinister plot. We've been able to prevent that. That has to inspire some confidence.

Did i read this right? You put your trust in the Pentagon? Man oh man,some people just can't be helped. I'm not even gonna bother anymore with this one. See ya.

you're a paranoid freak.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Anyone notice the guy insulting everyone and demanding debate is gone now that there actually is debate?

Ironic

 

[paulitician]

I put my trust in the Pentagon.

Think about how many radical terrorists want us dead, and then think of how easy it would be to come up with a simple sinister plot. We've been able to prevent that. That has to inspire some confidence.

Did i read this right? You put your trust in the Pentagon? Man oh man,some people just can't be helped. I'm not even gonna bother anymore with this one. See ya.

you're a paranoid freak.

And you're a Big Government stooge. Might as well be a Democrat. And people wonder why the Republican Party is such a mess.

 

[Rocko]

Anyone notice the guy insulting everyone and demanding debate is gone now that there actually is debate?

Ironic

Did i read this right? You put your trust in the Pentagon? Man oh man,some people just can't be helped. I'm not even gonna bother anymore with this one. See ya.

you're a paranoid freak.

And you're a Big Government stooge. Might as well be a Democrat. And people wonder why the Republican Party is such a mess.

I got a newsflash for you. You're not a conservative.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Anyone notice the guy insulting everyone and demanding debate is gone now that there actually is debate?

Ironic

Wussies tend to run...........

 

[imbalance]

None of you neocons care that the highest ranking law enforcement officer in the US is Eric fucking Holder with full discretion to use the Patriot Act however he may please?

 

[imbalance]

Not that Eric Holder would use it to help out his boy Obama and suppress political opposition or manipulate elections like J Edgar Hoover did with illegal wiretapping/surveillance.

 

[del]

You realize that banking transaction were always tracked by the IRS before the patriot act right? For tax purposes. The only difference is now transactions over 10k usually required an id from you and a little paperwork on the banks part.

Now if you got a problem with any of that then your problem predates the patriots act. So let's ask again. How has it affected your life in a negative manner?

what part of how it affects my life isn't the point don't you get?

besides all of it?

You listed banking as an issue and I debunked it. The banks and IRS have always tracked funds despite the PA. As far as your assertion that just because it doesn't affect you its bad for "someone" well, ..... That's just assenine.

Freedom isn't free. If we can allow our youth to fight our wars and die for us then by god we can stand in line for an extra ten minutes if for no other reason than to show them we respect their sacrifice.

save the pseudo-patriotic bullshit for someone else.

i served 25 years, and i didn't serve so that some asshat in DC can decide on his own to wiretap someone, or arrest someone just because his fucking spider sense was tingling.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

None of you neocons care that the highest ranking law enforcement officer in the US is Eric fucking Holder with full discretion to use the Patriot Act however he may please?

Yes, very much so. However I don't think changing the laws everytime we change administrations is the solution.