News Orgs Investigate Possibly Fatal McCain '64 Car Crash

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News Orgs Investigate Possibly Fatal McCain '64 Car Crash


For the past two months, a major American magazine and an allied news service have been engaged in a legal battle with the United States Navy over records that they believe show that John McCain once was involved in an automobile accident that injured or, perhaps, killed another individual.
Vanity Fair magazine and the National Security News Service claim to have knowledge "developed from first-hand sources" of a car crash that involved then-Lt. McCain at the main gate of a Virginia naval base in 1964, according to legal filings. The incident has been largely, if not entirely, kept from the public. And in documents suing the Navy to release pertinent information, lawyers for the NS News Service allege that a cover-up may be at play.


"Plaintiffs have also obtained documents showing that law enforcement officers were ordered back to the accident scene to retrieve personal physical effects. The Navy has never publicly acknowledged this information," one document reads. "This request involves federal government activity, as it addresses what may be an attempt by the Navy to protect by concealment the involvement of a former Navy officer, sitting Senator and Presidential candidate in a serious incident involving the injury or death of another human being."


The first request for information concerning duty assignment logs to Portsmouth Naval Hospital -- where McCain was allegedly brought after the accident -- came in the form of a Freedom of Information Act request on August 28, 2008. The Navy acknowledged receipt of the request and advised that it had located the relevant information a few weeks later, only to deny the FOIA on grounds that it didn't prove an "imminent threat to the life or physical safety of an individual" or satisfy the criteria of "a breaking news story of general public interest."


"The patient admission record logs that you seek are exempt from release," wrote G.E. Lattin, Deputy Assistant Judge Advocate General, "as information in personnel and medical files, as well as similar personal information in other files, that if disclosed to a requestor, other than the actual person in which the information is pertaining to or next of kin, would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy."
NS News Service and Vanity Fair appealed the decision and asked for expedited treatment of the case, as the end of the presidential election loomed. But the Navy denied that request as well.


"It appears to be a deliberate refusal to provide clearly releasable information concerning assignments to Portsmouth Naval Hospital," wrote legal representatives for the two news organizations. "Allowing the Navy to extend its time to respond beyond a date when the documentary facts of this matter would be available for public consideration prior to the national election on Tuesday, November 4, 2008 would violate the spirit, as well as the provisions of the FOIA."


Staff for National Security News Service and the company's lawyer both refused to discuss the proceedings. And there are only parcels of information concerning the story that can be gleaned from the court documents.


At a minimum it seems clear that Vanity Fair and NS News Service have launched an investigation "disclosing first-hand witnesses' recollection of an automobile accident in which then Lt. John S. McCain III was involved. Those witnesses specifically recall McCain's assignment to that [hospital] facility with the other person involved in the accident." This episode in McCain's life has, it seems, not been made public, and the plaintiffs suggest that the Navy may be attempting to actively restrict information about the incident.


"The subject matter of the documents is a matter of current exigency to the American public," reads a document filed by legal representatives for the news service, "because the requester is preparing a current news report addressing whether the Navy continues to conceal the involvement of a Navy officer in a serious automobile accident in July 1964."
 
David ... do you work for the F.B.I. or the C.I.A. ? You keep finding stuff that I am sure "people" think is buried ... for no one to find! :eusa_clap:

I'm no fan of Teddy's ... but if McCain got away with it ... maybe Teddy thought he could too :confused: ... and did! :(


The Chappaquiddick incident refers to the circumstances surrounding the 1969 death of Mary Jo Kopechne, a former staff member in Senator Robert F. Kennedy's 1968 presidential campaign. Edward Kennedy was driving a car with Kopechne as his passenger when the Senator drove off Dike Bridge into Poucha Pond between Chappaquiddick Island and Cape Poge barrier beach. The Senator swam to safety, but Kopechne died in the car. Kennedy left the scene and did not call authorities until after Kopechne's body was discovered the following day. He pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident and was sentenced to two months in jail, suspended.

In January 1970, an inquest into Kopechne's death took place in Edgartown. At the request of Kennedy's lawyers, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ordered the inquest be conducted in secret. Judge James A. Boyle presided over the inquest. His conclusions were as follows:

"Kopechne and Kennedy did not intend to return to Edgartown" at the time they left the party.
"Kennedy did not intend to drive to the ferry slip".
"[Kennedy]'s turn onto Dike Road was intentional".
Judge Boyle also said that "negligent driving appears to have contributed to the death of Mary Jo Kopechne".

Under Massachusetts law, Boyle could have ordered Kennedy's arrest, but he chose not to do so. District Attorney Dinis chose not to pursue Kennedy for manslaughter.

Ted Kennedy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
David ... do you work for the F.B.I. or the C.I.A. ? You keep finding stuff that I am sure "people" think is buried ... for no one to find! :eusa_clap:

I'm no fan of Teddy's ... but if McCain got away with it ... maybe Teddy thought he could too :confused: ... and did! :(

Ted Kennedy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Republicans and their proxies are inciting racism and fear in order to win the vote. They're playing dirty. They crossed the line when one of their proxies decided to say voting for obama meant death to israel.

I think he regrets saying that.

If he doesn't regret saying that... well then... he will.

There's nothing wrong with being an ordinary guy making $40,000 a year and campaigning for John McCain saying that he believes McCain is the best man for the job. But when he attacks Obama on such a personal level... well, then he is inviting personal attacks on him and investigations into his background.
 
OMG, this is horrible! Are the people alright? Which hospital are they in? I'd like to send them flowers and a get well card. Thanks for the info!
 
OMG, this is horrible! Are the people alright? Which hospital are they in? I'd like to send them flowers and a get well card. Thanks for the info!

It happened 40 years ago.

Now I'm waiting for some conservative to tell me that I shouldn't make a big deal out of something that happened 40 years ago. Please. Someone tell me that.
 
I would suggest that said news agency look up the Virginian Pilot newspaper for that week in 1964 and see if anything was reported then.
 
The public has no right to military medical records. Ever hear of Doctor patient privalege? Those records are private.

And you know it.
 
yeah, especially since obama's been so forthcoming with his medical records.

oh, wait. he hasn't.
i'm sure there's a good reason, though, it's obama.

Obama released his medical records months ago.

Where have you been?
 
Obama released his medical records months ago.

Where have you been?

WASHINGTON--Likely Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) is in "excellent health," according to a summary of Obama medical records released on Thursday. The 276-word summary was written by Dr. David L. Scheiner, the Chicago doctor who has been Obama's personal physician since March, 1987. Obama has not had a check-up in more than a year. Scheiner described Obama as "lean and muscular with no excess body fat." Obama is still using Nicorette gum to stay off cigarettes--he has quit smoking several times, his doctor notes.

try again, chrissie.
Obama releases medical information: "excellent health." - Lynn Sweet

a one page statement ain't his medical records.
hypocrite.
 
WASHINGTON--Likely Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) is in "excellent health," according to a summary of Obama medical records released on Thursday. The 276-word summary was written by Dr. David L. Scheiner, the Chicago doctor who has been Obama's personal physician since March, 1987. Obama has not had a check-up in more than a year. Scheiner described Obama as "lean and muscular with no excess body fat." Obama is still using Nicorette gum to stay off cigarettes--he has quit smoking several times, his doctor notes.

try again, chrissie.
Obama releases medical information: "excellent health." - Lynn Sweet

a one page statement ain't his medical records.
hypocrite.

Try going one day without an insulting post.

I don't think you can do it.
 
Try going one day without an insulting post.

I don't think you can do it.

try going one day without insulting my intelligence.

i know you can't do it.
but the subject was obama's release of his medical records, chrissie.

it was "months ago", right? so i'm sure you can whip me a link just like breaking sticks.

i'm waiting.
 
News Orgs Investigate Possibly Fatal McCain '64 Car Crash


For the past two months, a major American magazine and an allied news service have been engaged in a legal battle with the United States Navy over records that they believe show that John McCain once was involved in an automobile accident that injured or, perhaps, killed another individual.
Vanity Fair magazine and the National Security News Service claim to have knowledge "developed from first-hand sources" of a car crash that involved then-Lt. McCain at the main gate of a Virginia naval base in 1964, according to legal filings. The incident has been largely, if not entirely, kept from the public. And in documents suing the Navy to release pertinent information, lawyers for the NS News Service allege that a cover-up may be at play.


"Plaintiffs have also obtained documents showing that law enforcement officers were ordered back to the accident scene to retrieve personal physical effects. The Navy has never publicly acknowledged this information," one document reads. "This request involves federal government activity, as it addresses what may be an attempt by the Navy to protect by concealment the involvement of a former Navy officer, sitting Senator and Presidential candidate in a serious incident involving the injury or death of another human being."


The first request for information concerning duty assignment logs to Portsmouth Naval Hospital -- where McCain was allegedly brought after the accident -- came in the form of a Freedom of Information Act request on August 28, 2008. The Navy acknowledged receipt of the request and advised that it had located the relevant information a few weeks later, only to deny the FOIA on grounds that it didn't prove an "imminent threat to the life or physical safety of an individual" or satisfy the criteria of "a breaking news story of general public interest."


"The patient admission record logs that you seek are exempt from release," wrote G.E. Lattin, Deputy Assistant Judge Advocate General, "as information in personnel and medical files, as well as similar personal information in other files, that if disclosed to a requestor, other than the actual person in which the information is pertaining to or next of kin, would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy."
NS News Service and Vanity Fair appealed the decision and asked for expedited treatment of the case, as the end of the presidential election loomed. But the Navy denied that request as well.


"It appears to be a deliberate refusal to provide clearly releasable information concerning assignments to Portsmouth Naval Hospital," wrote legal representatives for the two news organizations. "Allowing the Navy to extend its time to respond beyond a date when the documentary facts of this matter would be available for public consideration prior to the national election on Tuesday, November 4, 2008 would violate the spirit, as well as the provisions of the FOIA."


Staff for National Security News Service and the company's lawyer both refused to discuss the proceedings. And there are only parcels of information concerning the story that can be gleaned from the court documents.


At a minimum it seems clear that Vanity Fair and NS News Service have launched an investigation "disclosing first-hand witnesses' recollection of an automobile accident in which then Lt. John S. McCain III was involved. Those witnesses specifically recall McCain's assignment to that [hospital] facility with the other person involved in the accident." This episode in McCain's life has, it seems, not been made public, and the plaintiffs suggest that the Navy may be attempting to actively restrict information about the incident.


"The subject matter of the documents is a matter of current exigency to the American public," reads a document filed by legal representatives for the news service, "because the requester is preparing a current news report addressing whether the Navy continues to conceal the involvement of a Navy officer in a serious automobile accident in July 1964."

who gives a fuck?
 
who gives a fuck?

DavidS. he's all upset because FoxNews had a banner on TV saying death to Israel and some other meanie said that a vote for obama was a vote for the holocaust and Joe the plumber agreed with him and that's the last straw and DavidS is pulling out the big guns.

he's got some issues.
 
DavidS. he's all upset because FoxNews had a banner on TV saying death to Israel and some other meanie said that a vote for obama was a vote for the holocaust and Joe the plumber agreed with him and that's the last straw and DavidS is pulling out the big guns.

he's got some issues.

too much organic food?
 

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