New President - Same War?

[KMAN]

I guess Obama's views on bombing in Pakistan are the same as the evil war monger George Bush...hmmmm.

Missiles kill 7 in NW Pakistan

 

[007]

I guess Obama's views on bombing in Pakistan are the same as the evil war monger George Bush...hmmmm.

Missiles kill 7 in NW Pakistan

Ssshhhh..... ...now that hussein is the President, the war on terror is OK.

 

[52ndStreet]

This President Barack Obama's foreign Policy, is one of capitulation, and it makes America
look weake to the rest of the world.

 

[007]

This President Barack Obama's foreign Policy, is one of capitulation, and it makes America
look weake to the rest of the world.

His policy will make us look weak because we are. He has no experience, and he's surrounded by military hating liberals. Liberals that love to close bases, decommission military ships, cut the military budget and veterans benefits, and accuse our troops of murder without any proof at all.

Hang on to your seat... we're in for a bumpy ride.

 

[rayboyusmc]

He has no experience, and he's surrounded by military hating liberals. Liberals that love to close bases, decommission military ships, cut the military budget and veterans benefits, and accuse our troops of murder without any proof at all.

Does that include all the generals who are working with him?

It is really interesting when you compare who served in the military and who didn't, it's the big talking republican politicians who had other priorities in war but get their little peckers in a hard on for killing when they are no longer in danger of serving.

Fuck you. I am a liberal. I served my time. I will remain a liberal.. I will support our troops. You can kiss my liberal ass which is just as patriotic or more than yours.

If you opened your conservative kool aid washed eyes, you might want to check all the frigging support the right has given our vets.

Attacking the patriotism of the other's who disagree with you, has been done in Germany, Russia and other great Democracies.

 

[WillowTree]

Does that include all the generals who are working with him?

It is really interesting when you compare who served in the military and who didn't, it's the big talking republican politicians who had other priorities in war but get their little peckers in a hard on for killing when they are no longer in danger of serving.

Fuck you. I am a liberal. I served my time. I will remain a liberal.. I will support our troops. You can kiss my liberal ass which is just as patriotic or more than yours.

If you opened your conservative kool aid washed eyes, you might want to check all the frigging support the right has given our vets.

Attacking the patriotism of the other's who disagree with you, has been done in Germany, Russia and other great Democracies.

this will be an unpleasant task as it looks so much like your liberal face.

 

[KMAN]

Does that include all the generals who are working with him?

It is really interesting when you compare who served in the military and who didn't, it's the big talking republican politicians who had other priorities in war but get their little peckers in a hard on for killing when they are no longer in danger of serving.

Fuck you. I am a liberal. I served my time. I will remain a liberal.. I will support our troops. You can kiss my liberal ass which is just as patriotic or more than yours.

If you opened your conservative kool aid washed eyes, you might want to check all the frigging support the right has given our vets.

Attacking the patriotism of the other's who disagree with you, has been done in Germany, Russia and other great Democracies.

Sorry man, but facts are facts... For the most part Liberals are anti-military and Conservatives are for a strong military... Maybe you are not a liberal...

 

[Shadow]

Yeah, I heard about this today. Can we put him on trial for war crimes now?

Obama lied..people died..

 

[FistyTheBadger]

It SHOULD be the same war. I could be okay with im doing it a little differently, but the goals should be the same.

 

[007]

He has no experience, and he's surrounded by military hating liberals. Liberals that love to close bases, decommission military ships, cut the military budget and veterans benefits, and accuse our troops of murder without any proof at all.

Does that include all the generals who are working with him?

It is really interesting when you compare who served in the military and who didn't, it's the big talking republican politicians who had other priorities in war but get their little peckers in a hard on for killing when they are no longer in danger of serving.

Fuck you. I am a liberal. I served my time. I will remain a liberal.. I will support our troops. You can kiss my liberal ass which is just as patriotic or more than yours.

If you opened your conservative kool aid washed eyes, you might want to check all the frigging support the right has given our vets.

Attacking the patriotism of the other's who disagree with you, has been done in Germany, Russia and other great Democracies.

Well listen boy... I got the "boy" part right, yeah? I mean that is what you call yourself... a "boy." It fits. You talk like one and think like one.

I was in the military, and I'm not lying about it posing as you are, and it works like this in the military "boy," *GENERALS* take *ORDERS* from the President, who is the *COMMANDER IN CHEIF*. They don't have shit to say about whether a base gets closed or a ship gets decommissioned. That's what liberals do, like yourself. So don't even tell me you "support the troops," because just BEING a liberal says you DON'T.

Now find another thread to lie your filthy, LIBERAL, military hating, base closing, ship decommissioning, troop hating, ass off in. Your shit ain't flying here "boy."

 

[Lycurgus]

Same war and yes a different president.

IMO ........... No doubt Obama will do some things differently. However, I doubt he will risk failure, in spite of his partisan talk during the race.

He has been labeled a weak pussy. A man like Carter, a man the other world powers will push around and the terrorists will welcome.

Now look at Obama and the ego and arrogance he has displayed. No doubt he will try to pull us out of Iraq, just to prove how right he was, but, in Afghanistan, he may end up being a tiger.

His true colors will be exposed when dealing with Russia, N. Korea, Iran and China.

 

[Munin]

I agree with what he is doing, if he is waging war in Afghanistan and their is an "army" waging war from a base that is situated over a border then he has a right to attack them if the Pakistanis are to weak or unwilling to deal with them.

What is he supposed to do? Let them attack American troops and then let them retreat to a another country only so American troops can be killed by the same troops that they attacked last time when they return? And let the guy who is the reason for this whole war on a vacation in his cave in Pakistan? He needs to finish what Bush started by his incompetence of letting 9/11 happen.

 

[Lycurgus]

IMO............

Oh I agree as well .................... we need to use any amount of force needed in Pakistan and they have a really 3 choices, they can help us and work with us, they can stand aside and let us do it or they can try to step in and stop us. For me our mission is clear, wipe out the enemy and it's support.

Obama really stuck his neck out in committing himself with his many comments and desires about Iraq and Afghanistan, if he does not follow through, it sinks him.

As for Bush letting 9/11 happen, your ignorance is pathetic.

 

[WillowTree]

I agree with what he is doing, if he is waging war in Afghanistan and their is an "army" waging war from a base that is situated over a border then he has a right to attack them if the Pakistanis are to weak or unwilling to deal with them.

What is he supposed to do? Let them attack American troops and then let them retreat to a another country only so American troops can be killed by the same troops that they attacked last time when they return? And let the guy who is the reason for this whole war on a vacation in his cave in Pakistan? He needs to finish what Bush started by his incompetence of letting 9/11 happen.

Fuunnneeee when Bush attacked them in Pakistan the liberals screamed their heads off about the US not having the right to enter a soverign country..omg! omg!

 

[rayboyusmc]

Pale Riser, kiss my Marine Corps ass. I seved and I still believe in an America where we can voice our opinion, apparently unlike you. Plus it was the real military, the Marine Corps, not the civilian Air Force.

Show me the data that most liberals are against the military. The far left is the extreme just like the far right. The current conservatives in Washington say a great deal about support but then cut the vet's budget and say sorry when they come home wounded. They fought against the education bill for the vets that Senator Webb proposed.

Liberals love this country just as much as you. But because we don't see the world as you do, piss ants like you have to attack our patriotism to feel better about yourse.f


As to same war, K-Man, you may want to realize that with this strike in Pakistan, the Pakistani government condones it in private but has to complain in public.

If any of the Obama detractors can remember, he said he would strengthen our presence in Afghanistan. Pale, you remember that war. The one that was being waged against the Taliban who supported and sheltered Ossama. The one we were beginning to do better in until Bush pulled US out and went into Iraq. Pale, you remember Iraq, right? That's country with no fucking WMDs, Nukes, trans atlantic drones or other real threats to US. Now we have all our dead and wounded military for a war that never needed to be fought.

Obama will probably do more to counter the threat in Afghanistan than Bush did because he will focus our forces there and not in a fucking diversion in Iraq.

As to the "boy" that's a common terminology in the South where I'm not from. Even my boss, a retired Navy Captain, calls me Rayboy. So Pale Boy, have a nice life and continue your mental mastrubation about how you as a conservative support the troops more than I do.

How about we discuss these issues with facts, opinions and not piss our little pants because someone disagrees with you.

Some facts for you to read, Pail.

An offhand comment about Democrats in the military supposedly made by Gen. David Petraeus (the top commander in Iraq and soon-to-be head of U.S. Central Command at MacDill Air Force Base) raised eyebrows in some circles.

According to a July 23 column by the New York Times' Maureen Dowd, a Democratic lawmaker asked Petraeus why there weren't more Democrats in the military.

Petraeus reportedly smiled and replied:

"There are more than you think."

This shit about only the right serving is just that: shit: In addition, the Republicans who did serve, aren't the ones playing the fake patriot card.

Prominent Democrats




Rick Noriega, Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate from Texas -- joined the U.S. Army in 1979; currently Lt. Colonel in Texas Army National Guard, served in Afghanistan. (1)
Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) -- rifle platoon and company commander with the Fifth Marine Regiment in the An Hoa Basin west of Danang; was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star Medal, two Bronze Star Medals, and two Purple Hearts. (1)
Representative Tim Walz, D-MN - Twenty-four years of service in the Army National Guard, retiring in 2005.
Representative Joe Sestak, D-PA - 31 years of service in the Navy, rising to the rank of Vice Admiral.
Representative Chris Carney, D-PA - Lieutenant Commander in the United States Naval Reserve, Carney served multiple tours overseas and was activated for Operation Enduring Freedom, Noble Eagle, and Southern Watch.
Representative Patrick Murphy, D-PA - extensive career in the U.S. Army from 1993-2004; earned Bronze Star and Presidential Unit Citation.
Representative Phil Hare, D-IL - Served in the United States Army Reserve for six years.


Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990. (1)
Former House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71. (1, 2)
Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72 (1, 2)
Former Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72 (1, 2)
Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon. More facts about Gore's Service
Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam (1, 2)
Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two (1, 2)
Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat (1)
Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea (1, 2)
Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam (1, 2)
Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT) - U.S. Army Reserve, 1968-1975.
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953. (1)
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. (1, 2)
Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91 (1)
Former Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. (1)


Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal. (1, 2)
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit. (1, 2)
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart. (1, 2)
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V." (1)
Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star. (1)
Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57
Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - 38-year career of public service in the Army, culminating as Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.

Prominent Republicans
Representative Patrick McHenry, R-NC - did not serve. Saw fit to endanger American troops' lives after a visit to Iraq by violating operational security and helping militias target their mortar attacks on the Green Zone.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
Senate Assistant Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-MI - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve.
Senate Republican Conference Vice Chair John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve.
National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Ensign, R-NV - did not serve.


House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-OH - did not serve.
House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-MO - did not serve.
House Republican Conerence Chair Adam Putnam, R-FL - did not serve.
House Republican Policy Committee Thaddeus McCotter, R-MI - did not serve.
National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Tom Cole, R-OK - did not serve.


Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani - did not serve.
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney - did not serve in the military but did serve the Mormon Church on a 30-month mission to France.
Former Senator Fred Thompson - did not serve.
Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so in 2000? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.




Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."
Former House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
Rick Santorum, R-PA, formerly third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)
George Felix Allen, former Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve. (1)


Former Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984.
GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?
VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") (1)
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State

Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. (1)


Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.

Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)
Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.
"B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.
Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments
Congressman Ron Paul - active duty flight surgeon from 1963-65; Air National Guard from 1965-68. (link)
Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man. Senator Bob Dole's Official Website
Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. www.senate.gov - This page cannot be found.
Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations Recently entered plea bargain on felony charges of bribery, etc. etc.
Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986
Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre. Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear hypocrite ("I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...")
Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action.

 

[Munin]

As for Bush letting 9/11 happen, your ignorance is pathetic.

"The White House's former counterterrorism coordinator blasts President Bush in a television interview and a new book, saying the president ignored warnings about terrorist attacks before 9/11"

CNN.com - Former antiterror adviser says Bush ignored 9/11 warnings - Mar 23, 2004


Bush warned of al-Qaida plot before 9/11


Even if he did not know he should have known, if his intelligence agency had failed then he was responsible for that failure. If you are the president of the US you can not say as an excuse that you did not know, because part of the job of a government is making sure you know those things.

 

[rayboyusmc]

*GENERALS* take *ORDERS* from the President, who is the *COMMANDER IN CHEIF*. They don't have shit to say

Not always. If you remember, General Shinseki, Army Chief of Staff, lost a foot in Vietnam, told Bush & Company that we would need more than the minimal number of troops they wanted to send to Iraq if we planned to win and then finish this war.

He had the moral courage to say the right thing. He was shoved aside for the rest of his term. Too bad he was right and all our troops who died might not have had to die.

 

[Munin]

Fuunnneeee when Bush attacked them in Pakistan the liberals screamed their heads off about the US not having the right to enter a soverign country..omg! omg!

I don't care what those guys did or did not support, if they did not support then those liberals were wrong. And they are hypocrites if they support the things they were back then screaming against. Btw, the pakistani government gave its support of those actions by Bush back then. So basically those liberals were screaming about things they were not informed about by the Bush government.

 

[Munin]

Does that include all the generals who are working with him?

It is really interesting when you compare who served in the military and who didn't, it's the big talking republican politicians who had other priorities in war but get their little peckers in a hard on for killing when they are no longer in danger of serving.

Fuck you. I am a liberal. I served my time. I will remain a liberal.. I will support our troops. You can kiss my liberal ass which is just as patriotic or more than yours.

If you opened your conservative kool aid washed eyes, you might want to check all the frigging support the right has given our vets.

Attacking the patriotism of the other's who disagree with you, has been done in Germany, Russia and other great Democracies.

Sorry man, but facts are facts... For the most part Liberals are anti-military and Conservatives are for a strong military... Maybe you are not a liberal...

Why the heck would a liberal then serve in the army? Are you saying there are no liberals in the army? Only republicans?

It is bullshit, that liberals are anti-army and republicans are in favor of it otherwise you wouldn't have any liberals in the army. You are basically insulting all those liberals who died in service of the US military.

 

[Article 15]

I guess Obama's views on bombing in Pakistan are the same as the evil war monger George Bush...hmmmm.

Missiles kill 7 in NW Pakistan

For those keeping score, Obama campaigned on this issue. He is doing exactly what he told us he would do.