New poll shows strong anti-Arab sentiment among Israeli Jews

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Jews almost got wiped off the map, great britian and the USA gave them a home..


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Not so much the brits.

 

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So... the more secular America gets (i.e. less Christian) the less support there will be for Israel in America.

Don't you just love it when predictable surprises bite you in the ass?

 

[Mindful]

Are we discussing K9s? You’re defending Palestine. That’s one.

I have k9s on the brain. I am not defending Palestine, I am defending the rights of the Palestinian people as people,

Noble but unrealistic and dangerous.

So the Lebanese occupation by Syria doesn’t count.

I hadn't realised Hezbollah had an enclave in the south of Lebanon, bordering on Israel, till I watched a BBC documentary about it.

And not one peep from the Jew Hating media.

Anti semitism on the rise in Britain. Worryingly so.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I have k9s on the brain. I am not defending Palestine, I am defending the rights of the Palestinian people as people,

Noble but unrealistic and dangerous.

So the Lebanese occupation by Syria doesn’t count.

I hadn't realised Hezbollah had an enclave in the south of Lebanon, bordering on Israel, till I watched a BBC documentary about it.

And not one peep from the Jew Hating media.

Anti semitism on the rise in Britain. Worryingly so.

Britain is a caliphate

 

[Indeependent]

I have k9s on the brain. I am not defending Palestine, I am defending the rights of the Palestinian people as people,

Noble but unrealistic and dangerous.

So the Lebanese occupation by Syria doesn’t count.

I hadn't realised Hezbollah had an enclave in the south of Lebanon, bordering on Israel, till I watched a BBC documentary about it.

And not one peep from the Jew Hating media.

Anti semitism on the rise in Britain. Worryingly so.

The world is not supposed to love Jews.

 

[Mindful]

Noble but unrealistic and dangerous.

So the Lebanese occupation by Syria doesn’t count.

I hadn't realised Hezbollah had an enclave in the south of Lebanon, bordering on Israel, till I watched a BBC documentary about it.

And not one peep from the Jew Hating media.

Anti semitism on the rise in Britain. Worryingly so.

Britain is a caliphate

I heard the call to prayer once. In the centre of London.

 

[Mindful]

Noble but unrealistic and dangerous.

So the Lebanese occupation by Syria doesn’t count.

I hadn't realised Hezbollah had an enclave in the south of Lebanon, bordering on Israel, till I watched a BBC documentary about it.

And not one peep from the Jew Hating media.

Anti semitism on the rise in Britain. Worryingly so.

The world is not supposed to love Jews.

How did that come about?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

So the Lebanese occupation by Syria doesn’t count.

I hadn't realised Hezbollah had an enclave in the south of Lebanon, bordering on Israel, till I watched a BBC documentary about it.

And not one peep from the Jew Hating media.

Anti semitism on the rise in Britain. Worryingly so.

Britain is a caliphate

I heard the call to prayer once. In the centre of London.

Of course.

 

[Mindful]

I hadn't realised Hezbollah had an enclave in the south of Lebanon, bordering on Israel, till I watched a BBC documentary about it.

And not one peep from the Jew Hating media.

Anti semitism on the rise in Britain. Worryingly so.

Britain is a caliphate

I heard the call to prayer once. In the centre of London.

Of course.

I also heard it coming from a mosque across the street from a restaurant in which I was dining, in Jaffa; in "apartheid" Israel.

 

[rylah]

Is it a shock that Jerusalem is safer than any European capital?

Crime Comparison Between Jerusalem, Israel And London, United Kingdom. Safety Comparison.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

And not one peep from the Jew Hating media.

Anti semitism on the rise in Britain. Worryingly so.

Britain is a caliphate

I heard the call to prayer once. In the centre of London.

Of course.

I also heard it coming from a mosque across the street from a restaurant in which I was dining, in Jaffa; in "apartheid" Israel.

LOL can’t make this stuff up

 

[Mindful]

Anti semitism on the rise in Britain. Worryingly so.

Britain is a caliphate

I heard the call to prayer once. In the centre of London.

Of course.

I also heard it coming from a mosque across the street from a restaurant in which I was dining, in Jaffa; in "apartheid" Israel.

LOL can’t make this stuff up

I was in the UK last year, and I caught a train from Doncaster down to Birmingham. Throughout the journey south, I saw mosques dotted around amidst the landscape.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Britain is a caliphate

I heard the call to prayer once. In the centre of London.

Of course.

I also heard it coming from a mosque across the street from a restaurant in which I was dining, in Jaffa; in "apartheid" Israel.

LOL can’t make this stuff up

I was in the UK last year, and I caught a train from Doncaster down to Birmingham. Throughout the journey south, I saw mosques dotted around amidst the landscape.

How do you feel about that?

 

[Mindful]

I heard the call to prayer once. In the centre of London.

Of course.

I also heard it coming from a mosque across the street from a restaurant in which I was dining, in Jaffa; in "apartheid" Israel.

LOL can’t make this stuff up

I was in the UK last year, and I caught a train from Doncaster down to Birmingham. Throughout the journey south, I saw mosques dotted around amidst the landscape.

How do you feel about that?

As I don't live there, I'm sort of indifferent. I think there's a huge one in Leeds.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Of course.

I also heard it coming from a mosque across the street from a restaurant in which I was dining, in Jaffa; in "apartheid" Israel.

LOL can’t make this stuff up

I was in the UK last year, and I caught a train from Doncaster down to Birmingham. Throughout the journey south, I saw mosques dotted around amidst the landscape.

How do you feel about that?

As I don't live there, I'm sort of indifferent. I think there's a huge one in Leeds.

Jeez. Europe is overrun

 

[Linkiloo]

Very interesting article, the poll was done to parallel another poll done on anti-semitism in Europe. Interestingly, but not unsurprising (as it is similar in many societies) the more secular, the more tolerant.

New poll shows strong anti-Arab sentiment among Israeli Jews

Channel 10 said they commission the poll from the IDI to “examine how racism, which underpins anti-Semitism, is being expressed by the Jewish Israeli public.

Th TV station said it recycled some of the questions asked in the CNN poll to uncover the Jewish attitudes of living with “the other.”

Channel 10 noted that one of the main topics in the CNN survey concerned the Holocaust, saying that it’s generally assumed that studying the genocide of European Jewry makes a person aware of consequences of racism and are less likely to be anti-Semitism. So in its poll, the TV station said it wanted to learn “what do the Jews, who demand world remember the Holocaust, know about the annihilation of other peoples?”

The results showed that an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews — between 70-80% — said they knew “very little” or “nothing at all” about the Armenian, Cambodian or Rwandan genocides.

Well they are committing genocide against the Palestinians so that's not a surprise. Jews hate EVERYONE except for Jews. If they can't dominate them they want to exterminate them as is the case with Arabs and Whites and Asians. Africans they can dominate because their IQ is so low.

Good grief, they are certainly not committing genocide.

It gets awkward when you realise your focus attracts anti-semites and you thought you were just being tolerant.

 

[Linkiloo]

The bias in the poll’s findings is not related to violence, which you would see if you read the article and the poll questions. It is reflective of a general distrust/ dislike of minority populations, and it correlates with religiousity. It is also similar to the attitudes the attitudes CNN found among antisemitism in Europe.

It is naive to believe that peoples' view on the "other" wouldn't be effected by terrorism, which is all -present. I note your attempt to gloss over this fact but just look at the current anti-islamic trends in Europe due to terrorism and violence emitting from islamists (and we do not face anything like the attacks the Israelis do). Infact the drama started when there was a mass sexual assault in Cologne on New Year and it turned out that muslims were not as well integrated as everyone thought.

 

[Linkiloo]

Very interesting article, the poll was done to parallel another poll done on anti-semitism in Europe. Interestingly, but not unsurprising (as it is similar in many societies) the more secular, the more tolerant.

New poll shows strong anti-Arab sentiment among Israeli Jews

Channel 10 said they commission the poll from the IDI to “examine how racism, which underpins anti-Semitism, is being expressed by the Jewish Israeli public.

Th TV station said it recycled some of the questions asked in the CNN poll to uncover the Jewish attitudes of living with “the other.”

Channel 10 noted that one of the main topics in the CNN survey concerned the Holocaust, saying that it’s generally assumed that studying the genocide of European Jewry makes a person aware of consequences of racism and are less likely to be anti-Semitism. So in its poll, the TV station said it wanted to learn “what do the Jews, who demand world remember the Holocaust, know about the annihilation of other peoples?”

The results showed that an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews — between 70-80% — said they knew “very little” or “nothing at all” about the Armenian, Cambodian or Rwandan genocides.

You will find most of them don't give a rip about other people. In the poll:

Over half of respondents said they agreed to some extent with the statement: “Most Jews are better than most non-Jews because they were born Jews.” (me-sick)

That is why they made WWII all about the holocaust and made money from the dead jews.

Someone commented about Rome, well according to history and the Bible, the diaspora started in about 500 bc and most never came back from Babylon.

The Palestinians are the left over Judeans of old, the real jews of old, who never left. The others are remanufactured, they had to relearn Hebrew and jewish culture.

Why do you think the Hasidic in NY and Israel wear Russian/German clothing and speak Yiddish.

I strongly disagree with that. If they dont get give a rip about other people why do they spend so much time and resources on providing quality medical care to refugees and people who's main is to kill them. You also ignore the correlation with level of religiosity. The same insular attitudes are found among Christians and Muslims and usually with greater degrees of violence associated with them.

I wonder why you are surprised with the responses you are getting when you yourself conclude that the same insular attitudes are found everywhere and are even more violent in other groups. Did you not expect this to lead to the usual hate against Jews?

 

[Linkiloo]

This thread is merely an attempt to minimize anti-semitism and reduce it to the same sort of discrimination and othering that is common everywhere in the world and in all societies. It is not anti-semitism has unique features and a unique ability to pass from culture to culture and exist through millennia.

There is no equivalence in the relationship between Europeans and their Jews, which has been absent any sort of conflict or animosity for centuries and the relationship between Jews and their Arab neighbors which is defined by the conflict. The former is an unreasonable hatred and hostility; the latter is a response to a very real threat.

And of course it has to do with the conflict. Don't be ridiculous. You can't just remove the conflict from the game and pretend it doesn't influence people. Once you've heard comments like, "rip the hearts out of the apes and pigs Jews", you just can't unhear them. Not through the lens of thousands of years of persecution and genocide.

Oh brother. So in other words Jews are incapable of bigotry and stand far above the other groups who relentlessly hate, persecute, discriminate against others? I had no idea they incapable of such attitudes. Clearly the poll got it all wrong and these bigotries are entirely do to conflict and not the cultural attitudes that afflict other human groups. (Sarcasm alert).

Othering is othering. The only difference is that as a minority, the Jewish people have not had any power to act on it like other cultures except in Israel. Now this again is where it seems like we get into the appearance of Israel can do no wrong, the Jewish people can do no wrong, and to say otherwise, such as to talk about anti-Arab discrimination and bigotry in Israel, turns into accusations of anti-semitism for discussing it.

Everyone is incapable of bigotry. Yet the question must be asked as to why you are disproportinately critical of Jews in the equation.

 

[Linkiloo]

Very interesting article, the poll was done to parallel another poll done on anti-semitism in Europe. Interestingly, but not unsurprising (as it is similar in many societies) the more secular, the more tolerant.

New poll shows strong anti-Arab sentiment among Israeli Jews

Channel 10 said they commission the poll from the IDI to “examine how racism, which underpins anti-Semitism, is being expressed by the Jewish Israeli public.

Th TV station said it recycled some of the questions asked in the CNN poll to uncover the Jewish attitudes of living with “the other.”

Channel 10 noted that one of the main topics in the CNN survey concerned the Holocaust, saying that it’s generally assumed that studying the genocide of European Jewry makes a person aware of consequences of racism and are less likely to be anti-Semitism. So in its poll, the TV station said it wanted to learn “what do the Jews, who demand world remember the Holocaust, know about the annihilation of other peoples?”

The results showed that an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews — between 70-80% — said they knew “very little” or “nothing at all” about the Armenian, Cambodian or Rwandan genocides.

My 1st reaction to this Jerusalem Post poll was "they should know better than to present statistics that don't explain the significance". My 2nd reaction was -- "well their audience is LARGELY Israeli who KNOW the context of those numbers"..

On my "favorites" book shelf behind me is small paperback that was assigned to me in a Statistics class. It's called "How to LIE with Statistics". Only book I've ever read cover to cover three times. Because it outlines how you can paint a rembrandt or a warhol from the same painting pallet of raw numbers.

Here's the problem...

See the 2 darkest slices of Jews in Israel by "orthodoxy"?? That 22% is your "ultra orthodox". The 78% is the REST of Israeli Jewish population. Keep in mind that 13% of the CITIZENS of Israel are Muslim. And about 8% (IIRC) are various Christian denominations. So those 2 NON-JEWISH factions are ALMOST as large as the "ultra-orthodox" Jewish faction. Furthermore, 33% of ALL the ultra orthodox live in Jerusalem, where the Post is based.

So grouping the results in this poll by orthodoxy are NOT percentage of Israelis who harbor ANY bias towards Arabs. To get to THAT conclusion, you'd have to "normalize" the results as given to the SIZE of those religious denominations in Israel..

For instance, from your article --

“Most Jews are better than most non-Jews because they were born Jews.”

Among the 52% who said the statement was “totally true” or “pretty true,” 66% identified as ultra-Orthodox, 45% identified as religious Zionists and 13% as identified as traditionally observant. In stark contrast, only 7.1% of Israelis who identified as secular said they supported the statement.

This is a very confusing and scientifically sloppy statement. Because the percentages given add to 131%. So there's something "not kosher" with that statement. Largely it's because it's not a strict classification by RELIGIOUS affiliation. They mixed religious affiliation with "Zionist zeal". And there are plenty of "near secular Jews" with Zionist tendencies.

But even after tossing out the class that doesn't match the others (Zionism) -- That 66% of ultra orthodox being only 20% (or so) of the Israeli population represents only 13% of all Israeli Jews. That's a different story entirely -- aint it?

That's not even about Arab bias actually. It's just a statement about the cultural comparisons of the better life that exists in a relatively free and tolerant Israel -- versus the general Arab state of affairs in the Mid East. Israel is a place where you can have a Gay parade and not be mowed down in the streets. Or HAVE "the other" represented in your Congress.


Then there's a bunch of "weak" statements that appear to be racist indictments.

Seventy-four percent of respondents said they get at least a little disturbed by hearing conversation in Arabic in public.

Another 88% of respondents said they would be disturbed to some degree if their son were to befriend an Arab girl. The number climbed to 90% when respondents were asked about their daughter befriending an Arab boy.

"a little disturbed"??? "disturbed to some degree"?? These are not foaming at the mouth hatred of any one. And you would get HIGHER numbers in Paris from Parisians who hear folks not speaking French. And they would be GREATLY disturbed. Or in America those numbers about "befriending an Arab" would probably be similar --- wouldn't they?

That's because polls are only as good as the questions they ask. And the RESULTS are generally culled to "write a predefined story"... For instance -- that question about your kid "befriending an Arab" COULD HAVE BEEN asked by asking ---

If you're son was to befriend an Arab girl -- would you be ____ ???

1) Not disturbed at all
2) A little disturbed
3) Moderately disturbed
4) Greatly disturbed.

Right from the book on "how to lie with statistics" -- this is an example of only presenting a highly biased "cut-off" point for the analysis. By just excluding the folks on the measurement scale who are "not disturbed at all", you've biased the analysis. It doesn't really measure much at all. Does it? It bundles everyone with even a TWINGE of bias with folks who have serious Arab bias issues.

Using those 4 answer choices I gave, and making the cut-off point at "Moderately Disturbed or greater" -- would have represented a MUCH BETTER and mathematically sound measure of Israeli bias against Arabs. MAYBE they polled BOTH ways. And when they did not get the story they wanted. They backed off to asking ONLY if they would be " a little disturbed" or MORE. I'm a little disturbed when my daughter dates a raging snowflake. No Actually -- I'm "greatly disturbed"..

Sorry for the lecture. But the public is preyed on constantly with statistics and polls. And it angers me when the analysis they WRITE is not true to the data or maliciously manipulated. THINK when they toss the basket of numbers at you. Just don't resort to conclusions without at least asking some questions of how the "results" are presented.

And ESPECIALLY -- question the questions. Because the way they are phrased are OFTEN USED to ACHIEVE some preconceived notion for a story line.

Thanks for the breakdown and analysis, that is helpful, certainly more so than aything else that was contributed! I do think though, based not on just this but on other polls and articles from Israeli sources, not Palestinian, that Israel has problems with anti-Arab discrimination and bigotry and it seems taboo to talk about without ending up under a shit pile of antisemite accusations on rhe one the one hand and gleeful trolling from the resident antisemites on the other.

Is Israel a better place place to live than surrouding countries? Absolutely. So is the US, but that doesnt mean we dont have signicant problens with equality, justice, and bigotry to address. And we do...vociferously...we dont shut it down. We talk about the antisemitisme that is endemic among Muslims but talking about discrimination and bigotry from Israel's Jewish population is taboo. We all humans first and foremost and a suspect attitude Otherness is hardwired in our species and especially conservative cultures which covers many muslim cultures and the more conservative Jewish and Christian sects.

Israel does have a problem with inequality and discrimmination. But we are not allowed to talk about it.

You are talking about it. The article covers it. No one is being thrown from a building for doing so or being tortured in israel for doing so. Unlike in Gaza or the West Bank. It is common for anti-semites to claim that Jews control the press, so that they are not free to spread their hate. Yet the irony is that that is indeed what they are doing. Whilst doing that they pretend that muslims are free to do the same concerning their own governments in most of the islamic world. I call that double standards. I call that hypocrisy.

Please apply the same standards to Israel that you do worldwide. Then I'll take your argument and attempt as discussion, seriously.

 

[Linkiloo]

My 1st reaction to this Jerusalem Post poll was "they should know better than to present statistics that don't explain the significance". My 2nd reaction was -- "well their audience is LARGELY Israeli who KNOW the context of those numbers"..

On my "favorites" book shelf behind me is small paperback that was assigned to me in a Statistics class. It's called "How to LIE with Statistics". Only book I've ever read cover to cover three times. Because it outlines how you can paint a rembrandt or a warhol from the same painting pallet of raw numbers.

Here's the problem...

See the 2 darkest slices of Jews in Israel by "orthodoxy"?? That 22% is your "ultra orthodox". The 78% is the REST of Israeli Jewish population. Keep in mind that 13% of the CITIZENS of Israel are Muslim. And about 8% (IIRC) are various Christian denominations. So those 2 NON-JEWISH factions are ALMOST as large as the "ultra-orthodox" Jewish faction. Furthermore, 33% of ALL the ultra orthodox live in Jerusalem, where the Post is based.

So grouping the results in this poll by orthodoxy are NOT percentage of Israelis who harbor ANY bias towards Arabs. To get to THAT conclusion, you'd have to "normalize" the results as given to the SIZE of those religious denominations in Israel..

For instance, from your article --

This is a very confusing and scientifically sloppy statement. Because the percentages given add to 131%. So there's something "not kosher" with that statement. Largely it's because it's not a strict classification by RELIGIOUS affiliation. They mixed religious affiliation with "Zionist zeal". And there are plenty of "near secular Jews" with Zionist tendencies.

But even after tossing out the class that doesn't match the others (Zionism) -- That 66% of ultra orthodox being only 20% (or so) of the Israeli population represents only 13% of all Israeli Jews. That's a different story entirely -- aint it?

That's not even about Arab bias actually. It's just a statement about the cultural comparisons of the better life that exists in a relatively free and tolerant Israel -- versus the general Arab state of affairs in the Mid East. Israel is a place where you can have a Gay parade and not be mowed down in the streets. Or HAVE "the other" represented in your Congress.


Then there's a bunch of "weak" statements that appear to be racist indictments.

"a little disturbed"??? "disturbed to some degree"?? These are not foaming at the mouth hatred of any one. And you would get HIGHER numbers in Paris from Parisians who hear folks not speaking French. And they would be GREATLY disturbed. Or in America those numbers about "befriending an Arab" would probably be similar --- wouldn't they?

That's because polls are only as good as the questions they ask. And the RESULTS are generally culled to "write a predefined story"... For instance -- that question about your kid "befriending an Arab" COULD HAVE BEEN asked by asking ---

If you're son was to befriend an Arab girl -- would you be ____ ???

1) Not disturbed at all
2) A little disturbed
3) Moderately disturbed
4) Greatly disturbed.

Right from the book on "how to lie with statistics" -- this is an example of only presenting a highly biased "cut-off" point for the analysis. By just excluding the folks on the measurement scale who are "not disturbed at all", you've biased the analysis. It doesn't really measure much at all. Does it? It bundles everyone with even a TWINGE of bias with folks who have serious Arab bias issues.

Using those 4 answer choices I gave, and making the cut-off point at "Moderately Disturbed or greater" -- would have represented a MUCH BETTER and mathematically sound measure of Israeli bias against Arabs. MAYBE they polled BOTH ways. And when they did not get the story they wanted. They backed off to asking ONLY if they would be " a little disturbed" or MORE. I'm a little disturbed when my daughter dates a raging snowflake. No Actually -- I'm "greatly disturbed"..

Sorry for the lecture. But the public is preyed on constantly with statistics and polls. And it angers me when the analysis they WRITE is not true to the data or maliciously manipulated. THINK when they toss the basket of numbers at you. Just don't resort to conclusions without at least asking some questions of how the "results" are presented.

And ESPECIALLY -- question the questions. Because the way they are phrased are OFTEN USED to ACHIEVE some preconceived notion for a story line.

Thanks for the breakdown and analysis, that is helpful, certainly more so than aything else that was contributed! I do think though, based not on just this but on other polls and articles from Israeli sources, not Palestinian, that Israel has problems with anti-Arab discrimination and bigotry and it seems taboo to talk about without ending up under a shit pile of antisemite accusations on rhe one the one hand and gleeful trolling from the resident antisemites on the other.

Is Israel a better place place to live than surrouding countries? Absolutely. So is the US, but that doesnt mean we dont have signicant problens with equality, justice, and bigotry to address. And we do...vociferously...we dont shut it down. We talk about the antisemitisme that is endemic among Muslims but talking about discrimination and bigotry from Israel's Jewish population is taboo. We all humans first and foremost and a suspect attitude Otherness is hardwired in our species and especially conservative cultures which covers many muslim cultures and the more conservative Jewish and Christian sects.

Israel does have a problem with inequality and discrimmination. But we are not allowed to talk about it.

Of course you are:

1.8 million Israelis, 842,000 of them children, under poverty line — report

Oh right...we can talk abiut as long as it doesnt involve specific demographic groups.

Youand those who share your ethic hatred have been talking about it with complete freedom here.




Once again, when a large majority harbors genocidal attitudes towards a small minority,it is an incredibly hateful act to claim it is the minority at fault when only a fraction of them hold prejudicial view in return and don't even come CLOSE to the same level of hatred.

The Arabs who call themselves Palestinians for the purpose of propaganda elected those who promise the genocide of Jews in their very charter, yet you and the other antisemies here look right past that in order to focus your hatred on Jews.


onl

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These discussions here are dishonest, because Israel is treated differently than other nations.

If any other country had acted in the same way as it did with the Gaza aid flotilla--for example, Britain in stopping an IRA-supporting convoy from reaching Northern Ireland--the condemnation and attention would not be at the same level.

Yep Israel is treated differently. It is condemned more widely in the UN than any other nation state and we are talking about countries where there are zero womens' rights, gay rights or human rights. Israel is surrounded by countries who wish to destroy her and yet she is condemned for protecting her border or shooting terrorists, unlike France or Germany or any other country.