NE Patriots cheated their way to a Super Bowl

[mack20]

So the equipment manager knew, all of Boston knew, Gronk knew, so I would imagine management knew, what is the punishment? Come on, let's hear what you think is fair and who should be punished?

I saw your questions several times I am still considering

Brady lied, many in the New England organization stonewalled and lied to the NFL. This will hang them more than anything and the Patriots need to be punished.

Now in history we have Cleveland texting, Atlanta sound game and so on. We also have George Brett and the pine tar game. Jerry Rice admitted to using stick-um his entire career. Both are cheating, does this change your view of Rice or Brett? Do you think Montana knew Rice used stick-um? My guess is yes.

Now to Brady and New England, Brady 4-8 game suspension and a fine. New England a fine and loss of a draft pick. New England will fire their equipment staff, and if the QB that starts in Brady's place, if he is good, Brady will be cut.

The punishment is where we're going to seriously disagree.

1. The NFL has no real reason to punish the team, as the report that was produced completely cleared Belichick and Kraft.

2. There's not a chance in hell that the NFLPA will allow Brady to be suspended for multiple games on the basis of "it's more probable than not that he was generally aware".

3. Cleveland and Atlanta admitted to their actions. In this scenario the NFL has no actual proof that Brady was involved in intentional deflating of footballs.

4. I'm not sure how truthful it is to say that many in NE stonewalled the investigation. I mean, honestly, even Brady refusing to give them access to his phone, yeah it sounds bad, but is it really that crazy? He's a guy married to an incredibly famous woman, with many celebrity friends, and the NFL front office leaked like a sieve in the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl. Would you trust those guys if you were him?

 

[oldernwiser]

So the equipment manager knew, all of Boston knew, Gronk knew, so I would imagine management knew, what is the punishment? Come on, let's hear what you think is fair and who should be punished?

I saw your questions several times I am still considering

Brady lied, many in the New England organization stonewalled and lied to the NFL. This will hang them more than anything and the Patriots need to be punished.

Now in history we have Cleveland texting, Atlanta sound game and so on. We also have George Brett and the pine tar game. Jerry Rice admitted to using stick-um his entire career. Both are cheating, does this change your view of Rice or Brett? Do you think Montana knew Rice used stick-um? My guess is yes.

Now to Brady and New England, Brady 4-8 game suspension and a fine. New England a fine and loss of a draft pick. New England will fire their equipment staff, and if the QB that starts in Brady's place, if he is good, Brady will be cut.

The punishment is where we're going to seriously disagree.

1. The NFL has no real reason to punish the team, as the report that was produced completely cleared Belichick and Kraft.

2. There's not a chance in hell that the NFLPA will allow Brady to be suspended for multiple games on the basis of "it's more probable than not that he was generally aware".

3. Cleveland and Atlanta admitted to their actions. In this scenario the NFL has no actual proof that Brady was involved in intentional deflating of footballs.

4. I'm not sure how truthful it is to say that many in NE stonewalled the investigation. I mean, honestly, even Brady refusing to give them access to his phone, yeah it sounds bad, but is it really that crazy? He's a guy married to an incredibly famous woman, with many celebrity friends, and the NFL front office leaked like a sieve in the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl. Would you trust those guys if you were him?

But let's not forget to add the biggest wrinkle of all to the story. The report used terms like "probably", "likely, and "unlikely". What it did NOT say was that Brady or Belichick commanded the equipment managers to either inflate or deflate the balls. The report's summary said that it was LIKELY that the EM's did this on their own. In other words, no matter how much you want to read into it, it was a 243 page investigative summary which basically said "We can't prove it but we think..." Should the league act in the face of that?

 

[HUGGY]

Oh dear. all of the "cheating" by inflation and deflation. Aaron Rodgers should be suspended too....he admits he "cheated" by over inflating footballs. Where's the outrage??

Aaron Rodgers prefers to play with over-inflated footballs FOX Sports

"[Rodgers said] 'I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it.' Because he thinks it's easier for him to grip. He likes them tight."

It's an epidemic that must be stopped!!!

I believe Rodgers has a lot more arm and grip strength than Brady.

There is another factor I believe that people are missing and that is that the Patriots have led the NFL in not fumbling for over a decade. Loss of possessions over time adds up to wins. It also means MORE possessions over time which adds up to wins.
Under inflated balls also don't fly as far when tipped by the receiver so there is less time for a db to adjust for the int.

Under inflated balls ARE an advantage for a team that has a QB with small hands.

The texts from the EM and the ball boy are damning against Brady. They show he lied about knowledge.

If the Pats lose Brady for 6 games they will have a very hard time getting back to the playoffs. A two game suspension will probably only piss Tommy off and he will come back with his hair on fire and light it up for the remainder of the Pats season.

 

[Diana1180]

This what I don't understand. Everything is "probable" or "more than likely". Look, I love my New England teams...but I am not such a die hard that I don't think they should be punished if they did this. But there is no real proof of Brady telling the equipment guys to deflate the balls. All we have is the equipment guys side of text messages basically being Massholes. Its a 243 page report from a discredited consulting firm saying nothing conclusive.

In the report it says that this guy left the locker room before he was supposed to without proper escort or permission. Why didn't they re test the balls at that point if it was such a big deal?

 

[Alex.]

So the equipment manager knew, all of Boston knew, Gronk knew, so I would imagine management knew, what is the punishment? Come on, let's hear what you think is fair and who should be punished?

I saw your questions several times I am still considering

Brady lied, many in the New England organization stonewalled and lied to the NFL. This will hang them more than anything and the Patriots need to be punished.

Now in history we have Cleveland texting, Atlanta sound game and so on. We also have George Brett and the pine tar game. Jerry Rice admitted to using stick-um his entire career. Both are cheating, does this change your view of Rice or Brett? Do you think Montana knew Rice used stick-um? My guess is yes.

Now to Brady and New England, Brady 4-8 game suspension and a fine. New England a fine and loss of a draft pick. New England will fire their equipment staff, and if the QB that starts in Brady's place, if he is good, Brady will be cut.

The punishment is where we're going to seriously disagree.

1. The NFL has no real reason to punish the team, as the report that was produced completely cleared Belichick and Kraft.

2. There's not a chance in hell that the NFLPA will allow Brady to be suspended for multiple games on the basis of "it's more probable than not that he was generally aware".

3. Cleveland and Atlanta admitted to their actions. In this scenario the NFL has no actual proof that Brady was involved in intentional deflating of footballs.

4. I'm not sure how truthful it is to say that many in NE stonewalled the investigation. I mean, honestly, even Brady refusing to give them access to his phone, yeah it sounds bad, but is it really that crazy? He's a guy married to an incredibly famous woman, with many celebrity friends, and the NFL front office leaked like a sieve in the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl. Would you trust those guys if you were him?

But let's not forget to add the biggest wrinkle of all to the story. The report used terms like "probably", "likely, and "unlikely". What it did NOT say was that Brady or Belichick commanded the equipment managers to either inflate or deflate the balls. The report's summary said that it was LIKELY that the EM's did this on their own. In other words, no matter how much you want to read into it, it was a 243 page investigative summary which basically said "We can't prove it but we think..." Should the league act in the face of that?

The report is conclusive. There are no questions left.

 

[Moonglow]

So now the Pats will replace the Raiders as the most cheating team in the league?

 

[Oldstyle]

"Tom Brady and the New England Patriots cheated their way to a Super Bowl

You still want that apology, Robert Kraft? The one you’ve been smarmily waiting for since February, acting high and mighty in your two-toned shirts, certain that the New England Patriots had nothing to do with the Deflategate controversy and projecting such a confident air with your statements that there’s “no smoking gun,” leading most to believe that you knew something they didn’t — that the Wells Report was a witch hunt that would exonerate those always-honest Patriots?"
Tom Brady and the New England Patriots cheated their way to a Super Bowl For The Win

No surprises here. Cheaters gonna cheat, deflators gonna deflate

Your whining would actually be warranted if it weren't for the fact that Brady played better in the second half of the Colt's game with "regulation" balls then he did in the first half with his "cheater" balls!

You hate Brady because you haven't figured out a way to beat him.

 

[HUGGY]

Cheating is nothing new to the Pats ownership either.

Kraft screwed his own relatives on his way to getting rich. He acquired the Pats in a very underhanded way also. He is NOT the nice guy his publicists would have you believe.

 

[Oldstyle]

Robert Kraft is the best owner in the NFL. Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL. Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the NFL.

THAT is why the Patriots win...not because they "cheat". If cheating were the only way that they were able to win then the Colts would have killed them in the second half of the AFC Championship game and the Seahawks would have killed them in the Super Bowl. Refresh my memory...did either of those things happen?

 

[HUGGY]

"Tom Brady and the New England Patriots cheated their way to a Super Bowl

You still want that apology, Robert Kraft? The one you’ve been smarmily waiting for since February, acting high and mighty in your two-toned shirts, certain that the New England Patriots had nothing to do with the Deflategate controversy and projecting such a confident air with your statements that there’s “no smoking gun,” leading most to believe that you knew something they didn’t — that the Wells Report was a witch hunt that would exonerate those always-honest Patriots?"
Tom Brady and the New England Patriots cheated their way to a Super Bowl For The Win

No surprises here. Cheaters gonna cheat, deflators gonna deflate

Your whining would actually be warranted if it weren't for the fact that Brady played better in the second half of the Colt's game with "regulation" balls then he did in the first half with his "cheater" balls!

You hate Brady because you haven't figured out a way to beat him.

Nonsense! If Seattle was healthy they would have spanked the Patriots like a red headed step child in the SB. By the second half 3/4 of the Hawk DBs were seriously injured. The Hawk replacements made Brady look great. You may THINK Brady played lights out but up here we know what the LOB can do when they are not playing with broken arms and shoulders. When Lane broke his arm after he intercepted the great Tom Brady there was just too much damage in the Seattle Defensive secondary to plug the leaks.

Good on the Pats for being lucky to catch the Hawks all banged up. Under normal circumstances the Seahawks would have beat down the Patriots just like they did the previous SB against the Broncos. You may not know that but Tommy does. He's counting his LUCKY stars.

 

[Alex.]

"Tom Brady and the New England Patriots cheated their way to a Super Bowl

You still want that apology, Robert Kraft? The one you’ve been smarmily waiting for since February, acting high and mighty in your two-toned shirts, certain that the New England Patriots had nothing to do with the Deflategate controversy and projecting such a confident air with your statements that there’s “no smoking gun,” leading most to believe that you knew something they didn’t — that the Wells Report was a witch hunt that would exonerate those always-honest Patriots?"
Tom Brady and the New England Patriots cheated their way to a Super Bowl For The Win

No surprises here. Cheaters gonna cheat, deflators gonna deflate

Your whining would actually be warranted if it weren't for the fact that Brady played better in the second half of the Colt's game with "regulation" balls then he did in the first half with his "cheater" balls!

You hate Brady because you haven't figured out a way to beat him.

I do not have to figure out a way to beat Brady, he beat himself

 

[Zander]

yawn......

 

[Oldstyle]

Injuries are a part of the game. Lane broke his arm because a Patriot player made a hard tackle on him. Your Legion of Boom seems to be able to dish out the "booms" better than they can take the booms.

Did you want to make the point that the Colts got blown out in the second half because of injuries?

 

[Alex.]

Robert Kraft is the best owner in the NFL. Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL. Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the NFL.

THAT is why the Patriots win...not because they "cheat". If cheating were the only way that they were able to win then the Colts would have killed them in the second half of the AFC Championship game and the Seahawks would have killed them in the Super Bowl. Refresh my memory...did either of those things happen?

According to the report they did cheat and lie and lie and cheat.

 

[Alex.]

yawn......

Yet you are still here fanboi

 

[Oldstyle]

"Tom Brady and the New England Patriots cheated their way to a Super Bowl

You still want that apology, Robert Kraft? The one you’ve been smarmily waiting for since February, acting high and mighty in your two-toned shirts, certain that the New England Patriots had nothing to do with the Deflategate controversy and projecting such a confident air with your statements that there’s “no smoking gun,” leading most to believe that you knew something they didn’t — that the Wells Report was a witch hunt that would exonerate those always-honest Patriots?"
Tom Brady and the New England Patriots cheated their way to a Super Bowl For The Win

No surprises here. Cheaters gonna cheat, deflators gonna deflate

Your whining would actually be warranted if it weren't for the fact that Brady played better in the second half of the Colt's game with "regulation" balls then he did in the first half with his "cheater" balls!

You hate Brady because you haven't figured out a way to beat him.

I do not have to figure out a way to beat Brady, he beat himself

In what way pray tell has Brady beaten himself? He's the Super Bowl MVP. He's got 4 Super Bowl Rings. He's going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. He goes home at night to Giselle. Yeah, he's a "beaten" man all right!

 

[Alex.]

"Tom Brady and the New England Patriots cheated their way to a Super Bowl

You still want that apology, Robert Kraft? The one you’ve been smarmily waiting for since February, acting high and mighty in your two-toned shirts, certain that the New England Patriots had nothing to do with the Deflategate controversy and projecting such a confident air with your statements that there’s “no smoking gun,” leading most to believe that you knew something they didn’t — that the Wells Report was a witch hunt that would exonerate those always-honest Patriots?"
Tom Brady and the New England Patriots cheated their way to a Super Bowl For The Win

No surprises here. Cheaters gonna cheat, deflators gonna deflate

Your whining would actually be warranted if it weren't for the fact that Brady played better in the second half of the Colt's game with "regulation" balls then he did in the first half with his "cheater" balls!

You hate Brady because you haven't figured out a way to beat him.

I do not have to figure out a way to beat Brady, he beat himself

In what way pray tell has Brady beaten himself? He's the Super Bowl MVP. He's got 4 Super Bowl Rings. He's going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. He goes home at night to Giselle. Yeah, he's a "beaten" man all right!

"In what way pray tell has Brady beaten himself?" Read the Wells report beginning failure to cooperate in an investigation lying, and cheating.

 

[HUGGY]

Injuries are a part of the game. Lane broke his arm because a Patriot player made a hard tackle on him. Your Legion of Boom seems to be able to dish out the "booms" better than they can take the booms.

Did you want to make the point that the Colts got blown out in the second half because of injuries?

Lane fell on his own arm. The ball actually caused the arm fracture. It was just a simple tackle on the sidelines and a freak collision with the ground that caused Lane's injury. There was no "great" impact on the play by the Patriot. It was an offensive player that forced Lane out of bounds. Keep in mind, Brady had just thrown AN INTERCEPTION against Seattle's #5 player on the LOB. Brady was playing against cripples and scrubs in the second half. Sure injuries are part of the game. When there are major injuries to MOST of the starters of the defensive backfield that is extraordinary LUCK for an offense. You are an idiot if you can't acknowledge that it was extremely fortunate for Brady that he didn't have to face a healthy Sherman, Thomas, Maxwell, Chancellor and Lane. THAT'S five of the eight regular DBs on the Hawks team. Face it. Your team got lucky it fell that way for the Hawks. I'm not crying but it would have been a far more competitive game if only half as many Seahawk DBs were not seriously injured.

 

[mack20]

Oh dear. all of the "cheating" by inflation and deflation. Aaron Rodgers should be suspended too....he admits he "cheated" by over inflating footballs. Where's the outrage??

Aaron Rodgers prefers to play with over-inflated footballs FOX Sports

"[Rodgers said] 'I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it.' Because he thinks it's easier for him to grip. He likes them tight."

It's an epidemic that must be stopped!!!

I believe Rodgers has a lot more arm and grip strength than Brady.

There is another factor I believe that people are missing and that is that the Patriots have led the NFL in not fumbling for over a decade. Loss of possessions over time adds up to wins. It also means MORE possessions over time which adds up to wins.
Under inflated balls also don't fly as far when tipped by the receiver so there is less time for a db to adjust for the int.

Under inflated balls ARE an advantage for a team that has a QB with small hands.

The texts from the EM and the ball boy are damning against Brady. They show he lied about knowledge.

If the Pats lose Brady for 6 games they will have a very hard time getting back to the playoffs. A two game suspension will probably only piss Tommy off and he will come back with his hair on fire and light it up for the remainder of the Pats season.

Just for the record, if you're referring to the Sharp analysis in regards to the fumbling stats, that report has been discredited numerous times as seriously flawed. It's not currently considered a legitimate source for the fumbling claims.

 

[mack20]

Injuries are a part of the game. Lane broke his arm because a Patriot player made a hard tackle on him. Your Legion of Boom seems to be able to dish out the "booms" better than they can take the booms.

Did you want to make the point that the Colts got blown out in the second half because of injuries?

Lane fell on his own arm. The ball actually caused the arm fracture. It was just a simple tackle on the sidelines and a freak collision with the ground that caused Lane's injury. There was no "great" impact on the play by the Patriot. It was an offensive player that forced Lane out of bounds. Keep in mind, Brady had just thrown AN INTERCEPTION against Seattle's #5 player on the LOB. Brady was playing against cripples and scrubs in the second half. Sure injuries are part of the game. When there are major injuries to MOST of the starters of the defensive backfield that is extraordinary LUCK for an offense. You are an idiot if you can't acknowledge that it was extremely fortunate for Brady that he didn't have to face a healthy Sherman, Thomas, Maxwell, Chancellor and Lane. THAT'S five of the eight regular DBs on the Hawks team. Face it. Your team got lucky it fell that way for the Hawks. I'm not crying but it would have been a far more competitive game if only half as many Seahawk DBs were not seriously injured.

But that's just life in the NFL. I could very easily make the argument that in previous years the Patriots were seriously hampered by the loss of Gronk in the playoffs, and that they'd have at least one more Super Bowl if he had remained healthy. But I don't, because it's all "ifs and buts and maybes".