my previous statement still holds true,it wasnt a factor against the colts,it WAS a factor against the ravens though,they never should have advanced to play the colts dude. that was why the ravens alerted the colts about the deflated balls because the ravens at least played fair. now THATS apples and oranges what you are talking about.lol the pats stand out over those other teams you mentioned because its one thing to win games during the regular season for cheating,its entirely DIFFERENT though when it helps to get you to the playoffs and win a superbowl and became the first team since the 72 dolphins to become undefeated during the regular season. seems you are playing dodgeball as well that the Brady and Belicheat are going to be remembered the same way Bonds is with an asterick next to their names in the hall of SHAME because of cheating and lying. again its funny how you talk about how carrol is a cheater which again I whole heartedly agree with you on,but when facts are brought up to you that Belicheat and Brady had to CHEAT to achive greatness like Bonds,you go into denial mode the same way Huggy does that pete took a payoff to throw the superbowl. yeah those other teams you mentioned cheated,but you keep evading the fact that Brady and Belicheat had to CHEAT to achieve greatness just as Bonds did. nobody pays attention to those other teams you mentioned talking about what cheaters they are because they havent won championships. that IS apples and oranges.lol Nobody here is saying the pats are not a talented team.nobody has said that here.we are only saying they have to cheat and lie as well to achive greatness,thats all dude.lol they are very good,but thats ALL they are if they dont cheat is very good,NOT great since it WAS a factor in the win against the ravens which again,proves my point,that like Bonds,they have to CHEAT AND LIE to win.got it? good. That BECAUSE they are cheaters and liars,they wont be considered true champions like Chuck Noll is considered a great coach for winning four superbowls or Brady as his links he keep posting prove,wont be considered an all time great like joe montana or terry bradshaw. Montana and Bradshaw never get mentioned as cheaters and liars when they are talked about for their greatness.Neither does Don Shula. Brady and Belicheat WILL. thats why he is having fun with this dude as i am. Now you catching the drift? good.