NE Patriots cheated their way to a Super Bowl

[Oldstyle]

Injuries are a part of the game. Lane broke his arm because a Patriot player made a hard tackle on him. Your Legion of Boom seems to be able to dish out the "booms" better than they can take the booms.

Did you want to make the point that the Colts got blown out in the second half because of injuries?

Lane fell on his own arm. The ball actually caused the arm fracture. It was just a simple tackle on the sidelines and a freak collision with the ground that caused Lane's injury. There was no "great" impact on the play by the Patriot. It was an offensive player that forced Lane out of bounds. Keep in mind, Brady had just thrown AN INTERCEPTION against Seattle's #5 player on the LOB. Brady was playing against cripples and scrubs in the second half. Sure injuries are part of the game. When there are major injuries to MOST of the starters of the defensive backfield that is extraordinary LUCK for an offense. You are an idiot if you can't acknowledge that it was extremely fortunate for Brady that he didn't have to face a healthy Sherman, Thomas, Maxwell, Chancellor and Lane. THAT'S five of the eight regular DBs on the Hawks team. Face it. Your team got lucky it fell that way for the Hawks. I'm not crying but it would have been a far more competitive game if only half as many Seahawk DBs were not seriously injured.

Dude, Russell Wilson was intercepted by an undrafted Patriot's DB from the "University of Western Alabama"! If playing against "scrubs" is the defining issue for you then it's hard to think of someone who fits that description more than Malcolm Butler.

 

[HUGGY]

Injuries are a part of the game. Lane broke his arm because a Patriot player made a hard tackle on him. Your Legion of Boom seems to be able to dish out the "booms" better than they can take the booms.

Did you want to make the point that the Colts got blown out in the second half because of injuries?

Lane fell on his own arm. The ball actually caused the arm fracture. It was just a simple tackle on the sidelines and a freak collision with the ground that caused Lane's injury. There was no "great" impact on the play by the Patriot. It was an offensive player that forced Lane out of bounds. Keep in mind, Brady had just thrown AN INTERCEPTION against Seattle's #5 player on the LOB. Brady was playing against cripples and scrubs in the second half. Sure injuries are part of the game. When there are major injuries to MOST of the starters of the defensive backfield that is extraordinary LUCK for an offense. You are an idiot if you can't acknowledge that it was extremely fortunate for Brady that he didn't have to face a healthy Sherman, Thomas, Maxwell, Chancellor and Lane. THAT'S five of the eight regular DBs on the Hawks team. Face it. Your team got lucky it fell that way for the Hawks. I'm not crying but it would have been a far more competitive game if only half as many Seahawk DBs were not seriously injured.

But that's just life in the NFL. I could very easily make the argument that in previous years the Patriots were seriously hampered by the loss of Gronk in the playoffs, and that they'd have at least one more Super Bowl if he had remained healthy. But I don't, because it's all "ifs and buts and maybes".

Ya the difficulties of dealing with the loss of one player vs five. I get it. You are a homer moron. Hey ya won the game ...Just consider yourself lucky and toddle along.

 

[Oldstyle]

Did you even watch the Super Bowl? Lane broke his arm on Julian Edelman's hard tackle.



You know...Edelman...another "scrub" playing championship caliber football for the Patriots!

 

[mudwhistle]

Tom Brady needs to pay for stiffing Obozo at his jersey shucking event last month with the Pats.

 

[HUGGY]

Injuries are a part of the game. Lane broke his arm because a Patriot player made a hard tackle on him. Your Legion of Boom seems to be able to dish out the "booms" better than they can take the booms.

Did you want to make the point that the Colts got blown out in the second half because of injuries?

Lane fell on his own arm. The ball actually caused the arm fracture. It was just a simple tackle on the sidelines and a freak collision with the ground that caused Lane's injury. There was no "great" impact on the play by the Patriot. It was an offensive player that forced Lane out of bounds. Keep in mind, Brady had just thrown AN INTERCEPTION against Seattle's #5 player on the LOB. Brady was playing against cripples and scrubs in the second half. Sure injuries are part of the game. When there are major injuries to MOST of the starters of the defensive backfield that is extraordinary LUCK for an offense. You are an idiot if you can't acknowledge that it was extremely fortunate for Brady that he didn't have to face a healthy Sherman, Thomas, Maxwell, Chancellor and Lane. THAT'S five of the eight regular DBs on the Hawks team. Face it. Your team got lucky it fell that way for the Hawks. I'm not crying but it would have been a far more competitive game if only half as many Seahawk DBs were not seriously injured.

Dude, Russell Wilson was intercepted by an undrafted Patriot's DB from the "University of Western Alabama"! If playing against "scrubs" is the defining issue for you then it's hard to think of someone who fits that description more than Malcolm Butler.

"Dude" Brady would have never had his "great comeback" if he was playing against healthy first string Hawk DBs. The Seahawks had the game well in hand until the scrubs gave the game away.

Ya Butler made a great play. NO DOUBT. But the truth is that our receiver is the one that fucked up..not Wilson. The Ball was thrown nearly perfectly. Lockette just got his pussy ass knocked down like a rag doll which BTW technically was pass interference. The INT was totally on Lockette not Russell.

Thing is that the Pats were beat until Seattle just didn't have enough first stringers left to field. Y'all can FANTASIZE that Brady made a heroic comeback but real football fans know he was lucky he was playing against only scrubs and cripples in the second half.

 

[HUGGY]

Did you even watch the Super Bowl? Lane broke his arm on Julian Edelman's hard tackle.



You know...Edelman...another "scrub" playing championship caliber football for the Patriots!

You are an idiot. Endleman hit Lane in the lower leg region just like I said. He never made contact with Lane's upper body let alone the arm region. THE GROUND and the BALL broke Lane's arm.

The video proves you are a moron.

 

[Oldstyle]

Did you even watch the Super Bowl? Lane broke his arm on Julian Edelman's hard tackle.



You know...Edelman...another "scrub" playing championship caliber football for the Patriots!

You are an idiot. Endleman hit Lane in the lower leg region just like I said. He never made contact with Lane's upper body let alone the arm region. THE GROUND and the BALL broke Lane's arm.

The video proves you are a moron.

Only a complete IDIOT wouldn't recognize the fact that it was Edelman's hit on Lane that upended him and caused him to come down on his arm like that. You act like Lane fell down all by himself. You also claimed that the ball caused the break to Lane's arm when the ball was in his other arm.

 

[mack20]

Injuries are a part of the game. Lane broke his arm because a Patriot player made a hard tackle on him. Your Legion of Boom seems to be able to dish out the "booms" better than they can take the booms.

Did you want to make the point that the Colts got blown out in the second half because of injuries?

Lane fell on his own arm. The ball actually caused the arm fracture. It was just a simple tackle on the sidelines and a freak collision with the ground that caused Lane's injury. There was no "great" impact on the play by the Patriot. It was an offensive player that forced Lane out of bounds. Keep in mind, Brady had just thrown AN INTERCEPTION against Seattle's #5 player on the LOB. Brady was playing against cripples and scrubs in the second half. Sure injuries are part of the game. When there are major injuries to MOST of the starters of the defensive backfield that is extraordinary LUCK for an offense. You are an idiot if you can't acknowledge that it was extremely fortunate for Brady that he didn't have to face a healthy Sherman, Thomas, Maxwell, Chancellor and Lane. THAT'S five of the eight regular DBs on the Hawks team. Face it. Your team got lucky it fell that way for the Hawks. I'm not crying but it would have been a far more competitive game if only half as many Seahawk DBs were not seriously injured.

But that's just life in the NFL. I could very easily make the argument that in previous years the Patriots were seriously hampered by the loss of Gronk in the playoffs, and that they'd have at least one more Super Bowl if he had remained healthy. But I don't, because it's all "ifs and buts and maybes".

Ya the difficulties of dealing with the loss of one player vs five. I get it. You are a homer moron. Hey ya won the game ...Just consider yourself lucky and toddle along.

How on earth am I a "homer moron" for saying that all NFL teams deal with injuries and that there's no use crying over spilled milk?

 

[oldernwiser]

So the equipment manager knew, all of Boston knew, Gronk knew, so I would imagine management knew, what is the punishment? Come on, let's hear what you think is fair and who should be punished?

I saw your questions several times I am still considering

Brady lied, many in the New England organization stonewalled and lied to the NFL. This will hang them more than anything and the Patriots need to be punished.

Now in history we have Cleveland texting, Atlanta sound game and so on. We also have George Brett and the pine tar game. Jerry Rice admitted to using stick-um his entire career. Both are cheating, does this change your view of Rice or Brett? Do you think Montana knew Rice used stick-um? My guess is yes.

Now to Brady and New England, Brady 4-8 game suspension and a fine. New England a fine and loss of a draft pick. New England will fire their equipment staff, and if the QB that starts in Brady's place, if he is good, Brady will be cut.

The punishment is where we're going to seriously disagree.

1. The NFL has no real reason to punish the team, as the report that was produced completely cleared Belichick and Kraft.

2. There's not a chance in hell that the NFLPA will allow Brady to be suspended for multiple games on the basis of "it's more probable than not that he was generally aware".

3. Cleveland and Atlanta admitted to their actions. In this scenario the NFL has no actual proof that Brady was involved in intentional deflating of footballs.

4. I'm not sure how truthful it is to say that many in NE stonewalled the investigation. I mean, honestly, even Brady refusing to give them access to his phone, yeah it sounds bad, but is it really that crazy? He's a guy married to an incredibly famous woman, with many celebrity friends, and the NFL front office leaked like a sieve in the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl. Would you trust those guys if you were him?

But let's not forget to add the biggest wrinkle of all to the story. The report used terms like "probably", "likely, and "unlikely". What it did NOT say was that Brady or Belichick commanded the equipment managers to either inflate or deflate the balls. The report's summary said that it was LIKELY that the EM's did this on their own. In other words, no matter how much you want to read into it, it was a 243 page investigative summary which basically said "We can't prove it but we think..." Should the league act in the face of that?

The report is conclusive. There are no questions left.

How conclusive can a report be when it openly states that yes, the balls were underinflated and the equipment managers were PROBABLY to blame. How decisive was it when it said that it was LIKELY that Brady unaware of the action? How definitive is it when it says that it was UNLIKELY that Belichick ordered the balls deflated? There are plenty of questions that weren't answered, but the conclusion is yours.

 

[mack20]

Out of curiosity, does anyone here find it worth noting that page 4 of the report heavily implies that Brady is guilty, but that the following information is buried on page 228?

"In sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon assumptions and information that is not certain."

Basically, we used assumptions as our supporting data and therefore our results are essentially speculative.

 

[mack20]

Not To mention, it's pretty weird some of the stuff that was added into the report while other things were left out. Why publish private texts between Jastremski and his mother where he claims to have Brady's 50,000 yard ball? What does that have to do with intentionally tampering with air levels? Why didn't Wells or the report investigate the myriad of leaks coming from the NFL front office in the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl?

 

[Papageorgio]

So the equipment manager knew, all of Boston knew, Gronk knew, so I would imagine management knew, what is the punishment? Come on, let's hear what you think is fair and who should be punished?

I saw your questions several times I am still considering

Brady lied, many in the New England organization stonewalled and lied to the NFL. This will hang them more than anything and the Patriots need to be punished.

Now in history we have Cleveland texting, Atlanta sound game and so on. We also have George Brett and the pine tar game. Jerry Rice admitted to using stick-um his entire career. Both are cheating, does this change your view of Rice or Brett? Do you think Montana knew Rice used stick-um? My guess is yes.

Now to Brady and New England, Brady 4-8 game suspension and a fine. New England a fine and loss of a draft pick. New England will fire their equipment staff, and if the QB that starts in Brady's place, if he is good, Brady will be cut.

The punishment is where we're going to seriously disagree.

1. The NFL has no real reason to punish the team, as the report that was produced completely cleared Belichick and Kraft.

2. There's not a chance in hell that the NFLPA will allow Brady to be suspended for multiple games on the basis of "it's more probable than not that he was generally aware".

3. Cleveland and Atlanta admitted to their actions. In this scenario the NFL has no actual proof that Brady was involved in intentional deflating of footballs.

4. I'm not sure how truthful it is to say that many in NE stonewalled the investigation. I mean, honestly, even Brady refusing to give them access to his phone, yeah it sounds bad, but is it really that crazy? He's a guy married to an incredibly famous woman, with many celebrity friends, and the NFL front office leaked like a sieve in the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl. Would you trust those guys if you were him?

But let's not forget to add the biggest wrinkle of all to the story. The report used terms like "probably", "likely, and "unlikely". What it did NOT say was that Brady or Belichick commanded the equipment managers to either inflate or deflate the balls. The report's summary said that it was LIKELY that the EM's did this on their own. In other words, no matter how much you want to read into it, it was a 243 page investigative summary which basically said "We can't prove it but we think..." Should the league act in the face of that?

The NFL has to react in some way, otherwise the NFL loses integrity. With all the crap going on, they can't let anyone get away with anything.

 

[mack20]

Also, Wells' report claims Brady was uncooperative, but Brady's agent has said that he'd like for entirety of Brady's interview to be released to the public. Why would his agent request that if he thought the unedited content would make Brady look bad?

 

[Papageorgio]

This what I don't understand. Everything is "probable" or "more than likely". Look, I love my New England teams...but I am not such a die hard that I don't think they should be punished if they did this. But there is no real proof of Brady telling the equipment guys to deflate the balls. All we have is the equipment guys side of text messages basically being Massholes. Its a 243 page report from a discredited consulting firm saying nothing conclusive.

In the report it says that this guy left the locker room before he was supposed to without proper escort or permission. Why didn't they re test the balls at that point if it was such a big deal?

Brady lied, he said he never spoke to the other two involved and he is calling and texting. Other than that they have nothing but the NFL can't let it go. If they do, then they will be blamed for favoritism. The league is in a tough spot.

 

[Alex.]

Also, Wells' report claims Brady was uncooperative, but Brady's agent has said that he'd like for entirety of Brady's interview to be released to the public. Why would his agent request that if he thought the unedited content would make Brady look bad?

Desperate move that's why.

 

[Papageorgio]

Injuries are a part of the game. Lane broke his arm because a Patriot player made a hard tackle on him. Your Legion of Boom seems to be able to dish out the "booms" better than they can take the booms.

Did you want to make the point that the Colts got blown out in the second half because of injuries?

Lane fell on his own arm. The ball actually caused the arm fracture. It was just a simple tackle on the sidelines and a freak collision with the ground that caused Lane's injury. There was no "great" impact on the play by the Patriot. It was an offensive player that forced Lane out of bounds. Keep in mind, Brady had just thrown AN INTERCEPTION against Seattle's #5 player on the LOB. Brady was playing against cripples and scrubs in the second half. Sure injuries are part of the game. When there are major injuries to MOST of the starters of the defensive backfield that is extraordinary LUCK for an offense. You are an idiot if you can't acknowledge that it was extremely fortunate for Brady that he didn't have to face a healthy Sherman, Thomas, Maxwell, Chancellor and Lane. THAT'S five of the eight regular DBs on the Hawks team. Face it. Your team got lucky it fell that way for the Hawks. I'm not crying but it would have been a far more competitive game if only half as many Seahawk DBs were not seriously injured.

The game down to the last couple plays, how much more competitive could it be?

 

[Papageorgio]

Injuries are a part of the game. Lane broke his arm because a Patriot player made a hard tackle on him. Your Legion of Boom seems to be able to dish out the "booms" better than they can take the booms.

Did you want to make the point that the Colts got blown out in the second half because of injuries?

Lane fell on his own arm. The ball actually caused the arm fracture. It was just a simple tackle on the sidelines and a freak collision with the ground that caused Lane's injury. There was no "great" impact on the play by the Patriot. It was an offensive player that forced Lane out of bounds. Keep in mind, Brady had just thrown AN INTERCEPTION against Seattle's #5 player on the LOB. Brady was playing against cripples and scrubs in the second half. Sure injuries are part of the game. When there are major injuries to MOST of the starters of the defensive backfield that is extraordinary LUCK for an offense. You are an idiot if you can't acknowledge that it was extremely fortunate for Brady that he didn't have to face a healthy Sherman, Thomas, Maxwell, Chancellor and Lane. THAT'S five of the eight regular DBs on the Hawks team. Face it. Your team got lucky it fell that way for the Hawks. I'm not crying but it would have been a far more competitive game if only half as many Seahawk DBs were not seriously injured.

But that's just life in the NFL. I could very easily make the argument that in previous years the Patriots were seriously hampered by the loss of Gronk in the playoffs, and that they'd have at least one more Super Bowl if he had remained healthy. But I don't, because it's all "ifs and buts and maybes".

One could argue that if it wasn't for injuries the Arizona Cardinals would have won the Super Bowl. They had key injuries everywhere by the end of the season. They were a top contender and the division leader and had it not been for injuries, could have won the division.

Injuries don't count, only the rings count.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

two farts in a row from pooper.^

 

[mack20]

Also, Wells' report claims Brady was uncooperative, but Brady's agent has said that he'd like for entirety of Brady's interview to be released to the public. Why would his agent request that if he thought the unedited content would make Brady look bad?

Desperate move that's why.

Desperate for what though? Yee wrote a scathing letter about how the NFL should release the full transcript. What does that accomplish for him or Brady if Brady was, in fact, evasive or uncooperative?

 

[mack20]

This what I don't understand. Everything is "probable" or "more than likely". Look, I love my New England teams...but I am not such a die hard that I don't think they should be punished if they did this. But there is no real proof of Brady telling the equipment guys to deflate the balls. All we have is the equipment guys side of text messages basically being Massholes. Its a 243 page report from a discredited consulting firm saying nothing conclusive.

In the report it says that this guy left the locker room before he was supposed to without proper escort or permission. Why didn't they re test the balls at that point if it was such a big deal?

Brady lied, he said he never spoke to the other two involved and he is calling and texting. Other than that they have nothing but the NFL can't let it go. If they do, then they will be blamed for favoritism. The league is in a tough spot.

But Brady was contacting Jastremski after the allegations came out, which could look really suspect, or could have been Brady asking the guy what the fuck the allegations were about and if there was any truth to them. Without knowing what was said on those calls no one can really say if they were incriminating or innocent.