National Debt has increased more under Obama than under Bush

ya know, if only the wealthy paid their "fair share" we could pay off this debt and have social "justice" all at the same time..............

its those damn 1%ers who are destroying this country lol
 
ya know, if only the wealthy paid their "fair share" we could pay off this debt and have social "justice" all at the same time..............

its those damn 1%ers who are destroying this country lol

There is ot enough money out the to even think of such a thing... but I know you are joking so carry on :eusa_shifty:
 
Of which only around 10% of the national debt accrued under Obama is due to Obama's policies.
Also Bushes last budget deficit was 1.4trillion, while the deficit in 2011 was 1.3trillion, meaning so far under Obama the deficit has decreased

you know...I searched and I serached and I searched.

And no where did I see Bush say it is unpatriotic to deficit spend.

I cant find ANYTHING that Bush said that mirrors Obamas promise to "read each bill with a scapel"

You guys are pathetic.

Think about it...

You claim that Bush was the worst President in the history of our nation...

Yet when Obama is criticized you all chime out..."Bush did it too"

Your defense of Obama is he is no worse than the worst President in our nations history?

Really?
 
ya know, if only the wealthy paid their "fair share" we could pay off this debt and have social "justice" all at the same time..............

its those damn 1%ers who are destroying this country lol

Can you beleive well educatred, sensible people actually believe that.
If they sat down and worked up the numbers, they would see it is a foolish thing to believe.

But they believe it anyway.

They will spend 3 weeks pricing out 60 inch flat screens....conducting serious research and working up the numbers.

But if they are told that Rick Santorum wants to outlaw contraception, they believe it without even trying to validate it.
 
ya know, if only the wealthy paid their "fair share" we could pay off this debt and have social "justice" all at the same time..............

its those damn 1%ers who are destroying this country lol
how many jobs did Romney "create" with the $47M he made over the last 2 years? isnt this the same guy who claims he has been unemployed to try and connect with middle america?

Mitt Romney's 'Unemployed' Joke Sparks Democratic Backlash

deflection alert
 
Of which only around 10% of the national debt accrued under Obama is due to Obama's policies.
Also Bushes last budget deficit was 1.4trillion, while the deficit in 2011 was 1.3trillion, meaning so far under Obama the deficit has decreased

you know...I searched and I serached and I searched.

And no where did I see Bush say it is unpatriotic to deficit spend.

I cant find ANYTHING that Bush said that mirrors Obamas promise to "read each bill with a scapel"

You guys are pathetic.

Think about it...

You claim that Bush was the worst President in the history of our nation...

Yet when Obama is criticized you all chime out..."Bush did it too"

Your defense of Obama is he is no worse than the worst President in our nations history?

Really?


It would seem illogical to vote for the party that RECENTLY gave us the worst President in our nation's history, wouldn't it? That would be indicative that they are incompetent boobs, would it not?

Obama might not be FDR, but he's NO incompetent failure like Bush.


Are you better off that you were 3 years ago?
Probably since you're not staring the possibility of a full blown depression anymore.

If you had a problem with the stuff Bush did, you should have said something. It's kinda douchebaggy and hypocritical " to bitch about Obama continuing policies that you said were fine under Bushco. If you don't like those policies, you should have stopped them. Not complained that Obama didn't clean up your messes to your liking or fast enough.
 
ya know, if only the wealthy paid their "fair share" we could pay off this debt and have social "justice" all at the same time..............

its those damn 1%ers who are destroying this country lol
how many jobs did Romney "create" with the $47M he made over the last 2 years? isnt this the same guy who claims he has been unemployed to try and connect with middle america?

Mitt Romney's 'Unemployed' Joke Sparks Democratic Backlash

deflection alert
how is it a deflection? Romeny is a 1%er, he pays a low tax rate, and doesnt create any jobs with his massive wealth. he enjoys that low tax rate thanks to the GOP. the low tax rates decrease federal revenues which pay for services which benefit the middle class and the poor. how is this not destroying america?
 
Of which only around 10% of the national debt accrued under Obama is due to Obama's policies.
Also Bushes last budget deficit was 1.4trillion, while the deficit in 2011 was 1.3trillion, meaning so far under Obama the deficit has decreased

you know...I searched and I serached and I searched.

And no where did I see Bush say it is unpatriotic to deficit spend.

I cant find ANYTHING that Bush said that mirrors Obamas promise to "read each bill with a scapel"

You guys are pathetic.

Think about it...

You claim that Bush was the worst President in the history of our nation...

Yet when Obama is criticized you all chime out..."Bush did it too"

Your defense of Obama is he is no worse than the worst President in our nations history?

Really?


It would seem illogical to vote for the party that RECENTLY gave us the worst President in our nation's history, wouldn't it? That would be indicative that they are incompetent boobs, would it not?

Obama might not be FDR, but he's NO incompetent failure like Bush.


Are you better off that you were 3 years ago?
Probably since you're not staring the possibility of a full blown depression anymore.

If you had a problem with the stuff Bush did, you should have said something. It's kinda douchebaggy and hypocritical " to bitch about Obama continuing policies that you said were fine under Bushco. If you don't like those policies, you should have stopped them. Not complained that Obama didn't clean up your messes to your liking or fast enough.

learn to reads and comprehend.

Stop simply cherry picking a few words and then regurgitating something you heard Rachel Maddow say.

FYI....in 2009 I was infinitely better off than I was in 2000 becuase I read every contract before I signed, took very few chances in the market and never once felt the need to blkame someone else.

As for now and 3 years ago?

No change for the better.....AT ALL.
 
bush inherited clinton's (democratic) surplus and turned it into debt - obama inherited the bush debt and curtailed the 07-09 great recession and as well prevented a new world wide turn of the century depression.

there was no fucking surplus and has not been a surplus since 1957
facts escape you dont they....
FactCheck.org : The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

FederalDeficit(1).jpg
 
you know...I searched and I serached and I searched.

And no where did I see Bush say it is unpatriotic to deficit spend.

I cant find ANYTHING that Bush said that mirrors Obamas promise to "read each bill with a scapel"

You guys are pathetic.

Think about it...

You claim that Bush was the worst President in the history of our nation...

Yet when Obama is criticized you all chime out..."Bush did it too"

Your defense of Obama is he is no worse than the worst President in our nations history?

Really?


It would seem illogical to vote for the party that RECENTLY gave us the worst President in our nation's history, wouldn't it? That would be indicative that they are incompetent boobs, would it not?

Obama might not be FDR, but he's NO incompetent failure like Bush.


Are you better off that you were 3 years ago?
Probably since you're not staring the possibility of a full blown depression anymore.

If you had a problem with the stuff Bush did, you should have said something. It's kinda douchebaggy and hypocritical " to bitch about Obama continuing policies that you said were fine under Bushco. If you don't like those policies, you should have stopped them. Not complained that Obama didn't clean up your messes to your liking or fast enough.

learn to reads and comprehend.

Stop simply cherry picking a few words and then regurgitating something you heard Rachel Maddow say.

FYI....in 2009 I was infinitely better off than I was in 2000 becuase I read every contract before I signed, took very few chances in the market and never once felt the need to blkame someone else.

As for now and 3 years ago?

No change for the better.....AT ALL.

Why would you expect otherwise.. he likes graphics that cherry pick stats.... even when they have been debunked over and over again
 
how many jobs did Romney "create" with the $47M he made over the last 2 years? isnt this the same guy who claims he has been unemployed to try and connect with middle america?

Mitt Romney's 'Unemployed' Joke Sparks Democratic Backlash

deflection alert
how is it a deflection? Romeny is a 1%er, he pays a low tax rate, and doesnt create any jobs with his massive wealth. he enjoys that low tax rate thanks to the GOP. the low tax rates decrease federal revenues which pay for services which benefit the middle class and the poor. how is this not destroying america?

If you earned 100K extra one year...

And yopu paid 35K in taxes on it....

And then invested the remaining 65K in the market...

And a year later that 65K had a 10% return...or $6500.....

would you think it is right to pay $2300 taxes on it compared to $975?
 
and the right loves to talk about the supermajority which lasted exactly 134 days in paper, but more like 49 days in reality.

The Democrats’ 134-Day Supermajority | PoliPundit.com

so agree with the fact the bush tax cuts decreased revenues significantly, and were not offset by spending cuts. which in turn increased the annual deficits.... thanks for clearing that up.

So the dem solution was to declare any cut extreme.

To not operate on a budget and sidestep paygo by declaring all spending an emergency.

You were trying to make a point. What was it exactly?
the point was the the so called super-majority only lasted 49 days. how much legislation do you think can be developed pushed through committee and drafted in 49 days?

You have had the majority and the ability to change course, instead we doubled down on spending, added entitlements and refused to even consider any cuts.

He could also end the conflicts.

Both parties have led us here. If I add that democrats insisted on spending SS and other entitlements prior to the bush years.........Well you should just shut up.
 
how many jobs did Romney "create" with the $47M he made over the last 2 years? isnt this the same guy who claims he has been unemployed to try and connect with middle america?

Mitt Romney's 'Unemployed' Joke Sparks Democratic Backlash

deflection alert
how is it a deflection? Romeny is a 1%er, he pays a low tax rate, and doesnt create any jobs with his massive wealth. he enjoys that low tax rate thanks to the GOP. the low tax rates decrease federal revenues which pay for services which benefit the middle class and the poor. how is this not destroying america?

For starters we are not talking about Romney, and secondly.... your logic is screwy.

You cant have low tax rates if the gov't is going to drive manufacturing and jobs overseas... your right, that wont work.

Cut back on gov't red tape and trim spending dramatically, and those crazy low taxes will be MORE THAN ENOUGH revenue for the gov't to operate.
 

deflection alert
how is it a deflection? Romeny is a 1%er, he pays a low tax rate, and doesnt create any jobs with his massive wealth. he enjoys that low tax rate thanks to the GOP. the low tax rates decrease federal revenues which pay for services which benefit the middle class and the poor. how is this not destroying america?

If you earned 100K extra one year...

And yopu paid 35K in taxes on it....

And then invested the remaining 65K in the market...

And a year later that 65K had a 10% return...or $6500.....

would you think it is right to pay $2300 taxes on it compared to $975?

why do you want to treat money earned through the stock market differently than money earned through a job?

if you are in the 30% tax bracket, all your income from any source should be taxed at the same rate. if i go to the casino and win $1M should i not have to pay taxes on it because i took the risk and earned it? what if i wont the lottery? should i only pay 15% in taxes on it even though i took the risk and earned it?

why are you advocating that earned money should be treated differently? what incentive does one have to actually keep and hold a job if they can sit at home invest, never actually work and pay a lower tax rate than those working 40-60 hours a week and help spur the economy?
 

deflection alert
how is it a deflection? Romeny is a 1%er, he pays a low tax rate, and doesnt create any jobs with his massive wealth. he enjoys that low tax rate thanks to the GOP. the low tax rates decrease federal revenues which pay for services which benefit the middle class and the poor. how is this not destroying america?

For starters we are not talking about Romney, and secondly.... your logic is screwy.

You cant have low tax rates if the gov't is going to drive manufacturing and jobs overseas... your right, that wont work.

Cut back on gov't red tape and trim spending dramatically, and those crazy low taxes will be MORE THAN ENOUGH revenue for the gov't to operate.
what specific red tape are you referring to? what regulations are "choking back business."

what spending are you gonna cut that is not gonna lead to massive layoffs at the federal level and in the private section as well as an increase in unemployment level?

tax rates and revenues are at their lowest level in 60 years, how much lower would you like them to go in order for it to be proven that low tax rates do no spur economic growth?

this is the exact same argument the GOP made when Clinton raised rates, and we had one of the largest economic booms in history. are you saying this never happened?
 
how is it a deflection? Romeny is a 1%er, he pays a low tax rate, and doesnt create any jobs with his massive wealth. he enjoys that low tax rate thanks to the GOP. the low tax rates decrease federal revenues which pay for services which benefit the middle class and the poor. how is this not destroying america?

If you earned 100K extra one year...

And yopu paid 35K in taxes on it....

And then invested the remaining 65K in the market...

And a year later that 65K had a 10% return...or $6500.....

would you think it is right to pay $2300 taxes on it compared to $975?

why do you want to treat money earned through the stock market differently than money earned through a job?

if you are in the 30% tax bracket, all your income from any source should be taxed at the same rate. if i go to the casino and win $1M should i not have to pay taxes on it because i took the risk and earned it? what if i wont the lottery? should i only pay 15% in taxes on it even though i took the risk and earned it?

why are you advocating that earned money should be treated differently? what incentive does one have to actually keep and hold a job if they can sit at home invest, never actually work and pay a lower tax rate than those working 40-60 hours a week and help spur the economy?

have you ever performed a cost benefit analysis?

If yoiu have, you would not have prersented the post I just quoted.

Investors helpo businesses...not just public...but priovate as well.

You INCREASE the tax on an estimated ROI, the actual ROI is much less...and the chances one will still invest decreases dramatiucally.

For example.....

Will I risk LOSING 100K for a 10% return...that is really more like 8.5% after my cap gains tax?

Yes.

Will I rsik the same for a net ROI (after 35% tax) of 6.5%?

Less likely.
 
how is it a deflection? Romeny is a 1%er, he pays a low tax rate, and doesnt create any jobs with his massive wealth. he enjoys that low tax rate thanks to the GOP. the low tax rates decrease federal revenues which pay for services which benefit the middle class and the poor. how is this not destroying america?

For starters we are not talking about Romney, and secondly.... your logic is screwy.

You cant have low tax rates if the gov't is going to drive manufacturing and jobs overseas... your right, that wont work.

Cut back on gov't red tape and trim spending dramatically, and those crazy low taxes will be MORE THAN ENOUGH revenue for the gov't to operate.
what specific red tape are you referring to? what regulations are "choking back business."

what spending are you gonna cut that is not gonna lead to massive layoffs at the federal level and in the private section as well as an increase in unemployment level?


tax rates and revenues are at their lowest level in 60 years, how much lower would you like them to go in order for it to be proven that low tax rates do no spur economic growth?

this is the exact same argument the GOP made when Clinton raised rates, and we had one of the largest economic booms in history. are you saying this never happened?

You are too much of a hack, and I dont have that much time in one day.... so have fun explaining how Obama is the second coming of Christ.

Ive got a life to lead.... :fu:
 

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