NASA's top global warming nut admits warming has stopped for 10 years...

[konradv]

For those of you unable or unwilling to address the % of CO2 in the atmosphere

Universal Industrial Gases, Inc:***** Composition of Air** -** Components & Properties of Air* -* Answers to "What is air?" - "What is air made up of?" -" What are air products and what are they used for?"

its .039% less than half of 1%.

now please tell us how that tiny amount is destroying the planet.

Oh my word.....THAT is your argument? Seriously?

Oh my word----YOUR argument is that the % of CO2 is being increased by the activities of man, but you cannot provide any proof that the % is higher now than it was 500,000,000 years ago.

What it was 500,000,000 years ago is irrelevant now. We know its effect and properties. We know its been going up since the advent of the Industrial Revolution. It's simple logic to infer that if the trend continues, warming is inevitable.

 

[Redfish]

For those of you unable or unwilling to address the % of CO2 in the atmosphere

Universal Industrial Gases, Inc:***** Composition of Air** -** Components & Properties of Air* -* Answers to "What is air?" - "What is air made up of?" -" What are air products and what are they used for?"

its .039% less than half of 1%.

now please tell us how that tiny amount is destroying the planet.

Like I said, it's known that CO2 acts as insulation, keeping the planet warmer than it would be without its presence. Therefore the important figure is the % increase, NOT the absolute value. You're argument makes as much sense as questioning why a few micrograms of a poison would kill a 200 lb. man. What's important is the demonstrated effect.

LOL, you make me laugh. you compare CO2 in the atmosphere to a drop of poison on a person, but you cannot prove that either CO2 is an "earth poison" or that its % has been increased by man.

BTW, you do know that plant life actually likes CO2 don't you?

 

[Saigon]

Redfish -

Your theory here is not a very strong one, unfortunately, although it is an understandable error.

Start by asking yourself how the hole in the ozone layer formed, and how it is now diminishing.

So - can human acitivty have an impact on the atmosphere?

Also keep in mind that humans release 26 Gigatonnes of CO2 each year.

This article might help....

http://skepticalscience.com/Are-humans-too-insignificant-to-affect-global-climate-intermediate.htm

 

[konradv]

You can argue about it until you're blue in the face, but unless you can get China and India on board, NOTHING we do will make a damned bit of difference!

Are we to destroy our own economy for that??

No one wants to destroy the economy. That just the deniers' Chicken Little moment.

 

[Redfish]

Oh my word.....THAT is your argument? Seriously?

Oh my word----YOUR argument is that the % of CO2 is being increased by the activities of man, but you cannot provide any proof that the % is higher now than it was 500,000,000 years ago.

What it was 500,000,000 years ago is irrelevant now. We know its effect and properties. We know its been going up since the advent of the Industrial Revolution. It's simple logic to infer that if the trend continues, warming is inevitable.

NO, there is no proof that there is more CO2 today than 500,000,000 years ago. Warming is not inevitible, it depends on the sun.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Why the Hell won't you enviro-Nazis address the issue of China and India?

 

[jon_berzerk]

C02 is not a good insulator

it is highly conductive in the transfer process of heat

which makes it a "poor" choice in the man made global warming hoax

 

[Redfish]

Why the Hell won't you enviro-Nazis address the issue of China and India?

because they, like obama, believe that the evil USA is responsible for all of the evils in the world and those evils can only be fixed by punishing the citizens of the evil USA.

 

[Saigon]

Why the Hell won't you enviro-Nazis address the issue of China and India?

because they, like obama, believe that the evil USA is responsible for all of the evils in the world and those evils can only be fixed by punishing the citizens of the evil USA.

And yet genuine capitalist countries are doing a roaring trade out of renewable energies - jobs and millions you Deniers apparently don't want.

 

[konradv]

For those of you unable or unwilling to address the % of CO2 in the atmosphere

Universal Industrial Gases, Inc:***** Composition of Air** -** Components & Properties of Air* -* Answers to "What is air?" - "What is air made up of?" -" What are air products and what are they used for?"

its .039% less than half of 1%.

now please tell us how that tiny amount is destroying the planet.

Like I said, it's known that CO2 acts as insulation, keeping the planet warmer than it would be without its presence. Therefore the important figure is the % increase, NOT the absolute value. You're argument makes as much sense as questioning why a few micrograms of a poison would kill a 200 lb. man. What's important is the demonstrated effect.

LOL, you make me laugh. you compare CO2 in the atmosphere to a drop of poison on a person, but you cannot prove that either CO2 is an "earth poison" or that its % has been increased by man.

BTW, you do know that plant life actually likes CO2 don't you?

Not claiming it's a poison, that's just a strawman argument. If it hasn't been increased by man, to what do you attribute the rise since the advent of the Industrial Revolution? Everyone knows that plants like CO2, that's another irrelevancy that leads to the deniers' alternate strawman argument that ASW proponents want to elininate all CO2.

 

[Redfish]

Bullshit. There has never, ever, in the history of the world as we know it, been a time when trillions of pounds of oil and coal were burnt and put into the atmosphere.
Never.

And as a result of that never happening, we don't know what will ultimately happen. But so far, the trends are not looking good.

And if mans actions are so insignificent to the world, why did man find it necessary to do things like catalytic converters, smoke stack scrubbers, un leaded gas, the list goes on about the things man did do to offset the termendous amount of air pollution that was happening in the 60ties and 70 ties.

You must not be old enough to remember places like Gary IN. Or Cleveland Ohio, or Pittsburg PA or any other industrial city that used to have a haze of pollution over the city that burnt the paint off your car and caused breathing problems etc etc.

You remember those days? They were created by the very men you claim can't really effect the enviornment.

How could that be?

Or maybe you think the air in Bejing is breathable?

Yes, I am old enough to remember those things. you are confusing pollution with climate change. Pollution is terrible for the planet but does not cause the climate to change.

BTW, with the exception of Bejing, all of those places have been cleaned up.

No, it is important. You contend that man can't effect climate. Yet somehow man has the ability to effect local climate by polluting with carbon based pollutants. And it needed to be stopped. Even according to you, polution was not a good thing.

All we did in the cleanup process was remove the particulants. Just because you burn a solid or a liquid, it doesn't cease to exist.

Where do you think those trillions of pounds of oil and coal are going? What are they doing after they become a gas?

How could burning all the oil and coal and cutting down all the forests that used to trap carbon, how do you think that could not have an effect? Water temps in the ocean are increasing. How could that not have an effect?

Do you really think that, even though we live in a closed enviornmental system, that man can't harm that system? Really?

Geez, cleaning up pollution is the same as reversing climate change???? is that really what you believe?

 

[Dubya]

Nobody wants the idea of climate change to be a hoax more than I do. I am not into being inconvenienced by things like floods and severe storms. But....unfortunately, the science is clear. This shit is happening and it would be a good idea to pay attention to it.

Those who are so afraid that they close their eyes are of little use.

Yes, the climate is changing, it has always been changing since the earth was created by the big bang, God, the sun or whatever you believe created our planet.

the point is that man has never had anything to do with it, cannot stop or reverse it, and is an insignificant dot in time in the life of the planet.

Bullshit. There has never, ever, in the history of the world as we know it, been a time when trillions of pounds of oil and coal were burnt and put into the atmosphere.
Never.

And as a result of that never happening, we don't know what will ultimately happen. But so far, the trends are not looking good.

And if mans actions are so insignificent to the world, why did man find it necessary to do things like catalytic converters, smoke stack scrubbers, un leaded gas, the list goes on about the things man did do to offset the termendous amount of air pollution that was happening in the 60ties and 70 ties.

You must not be old enough to remember places like Gary IN. Or Cleveland Ohio, or Pittsburg PA or any other industrial city that used to have a haze of pollution over the city that burnt the paint off your car and caused breathing problems etc etc.

You remember those days? They were created by the very men you claim can't really effect the enviornment.

How could that be?

Or maybe you think the air in Bejing is breathable?

This massive eruptive event spanned the Permian-Triassic boundary, about 250 million years ago, and is cited as a possible cause of the Permian-Triassic extinction event.[4][5] One of the major questions is whether the Siberian Traps was directly responsible, or if it was itself caused by some other larger event, such as an asteroid impact.

This extinction event, also called the Great Dying, affected all life on Earth, and is estimated to have killed 90% of species living at the time.[6] Life on land took at least 30 million years to fully recover from the environmental disruptions which may have been caused by the eruption of the Siberian Traps.[7]

Source: Siberian Traps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is evidence that the Siberian Traps caused massive ocean acidification by releasing hugh amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere over a relatively short period of time.

 

[konradv]

Why the Hell won't you enviro-Nazis address the issue of China and India?

Who said it isn't. Don't you think it's brought up constantly on the governmental level? The U.S. is a world leader. On this issue we may have to lead.

 

[lukelk]

Bluegrass Pundit: NASA's top global warming nut admits warming has stopped for 10 years...


You mean liberals lied???? WHO FUCKIN KNEW?

You are a fucking fool. I don't even have words. Lgs you dumb fucking piece of shit.

 

[Redfish]

Why the Hell won't you enviro-Nazis address the issue of China and India?

because they, like obama, believe that the evil USA is responsible for all of the evils in the world and those evils can only be fixed by punishing the citizens of the evil USA.

And yet genuine capitalist countries are doing a roaring trade out of renewable energies - jobs and millions you Deniers apparently don't want.

Don't misunderstand me. I am all for renewable energy, but not at the expense of starving people by making the price of corn unaffordable for tortilla eaters.

We have to be reasonable. Today there is no alternative energy source that will power the millions of cars, trucks, planes, trains, homes, and businesses that are being powered by fossil fuels.

Why not concentrate of finding ways to consume fossil fuels more efficiently rather than demonizing them?

 

[GuyPinestra]

You can argue about it until you're blue in the face, but unless you can get China and India on board, NOTHING we do will make a damned bit of difference!

Are we to destroy our own economy for that??

No one wants to destroy the economy. That just the deniers' Chicken Little moment.

Really?
How much will it COST to reduce America's carbon emissions by 10%?
How many coal-fired power plants do you want to close?
How much will that raise the price of electricity?
How much will it raise the price of associated goods and services?
How many more manufacturing jobs do you want to outsource to China, who will GLADLY take them and RAISE their emissions by ANOTHER 10% per year?

 

[Redfish]

Like I said, it's known that CO2 acts as insulation, keeping the planet warmer than it would be without its presence. Therefore the important figure is the % increase, NOT the absolute value. You're argument makes as much sense as questioning why a few micrograms of a poison would kill a 200 lb. man. What's important is the demonstrated effect.

LOL, you make me laugh. you compare CO2 in the atmosphere to a drop of poison on a person, but you cannot prove that either CO2 is an "earth poison" or that its % has been increased by man.

BTW, you do know that plant life actually likes CO2 don't you?

Not claiming it's a poison, that's just a strawman argument. If it hasn't been increased by man, to what do you attribute the rise since the advent of the Industrial Revolution? Everyone knows that plants like CO2, that's another irrelevancy that leads to the deniers' alternate strawman argument that ASW proponents want to elininate all CO2.

CO2 makes up .039% of the atmosphere today. it made up the same % in 1900.

your argument fails.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Why the Hell won't you enviro-Nazis address the issue of China and India?

Who said it isn't. Don't you think it's brought up constantly on the governmental level? The U.S. is a world leader. On this issue we may have to lead.

...and HOPE that they will follow?

 

[lukelk]

Also there is a 99 percent consensus among climate scientists that climate change is happening, yet you are willing to agree with some NASA person? This shit make me nuts, there is o debate anymore in the science community about this. It is happening and humans do have a part in it. Both are factual.

 

[Redfish]

Yes, the climate is changing, it has always been changing since the earth was created by the big bang, God, the sun or whatever you believe created our planet.

the point is that man has never had anything to do with it, cannot stop or reverse it, and is an insignificant dot in time in the life of the planet.

Bullshit. There has never, ever, in the history of the world as we know it, been a time when trillions of pounds of oil and coal were burnt and put into the atmosphere.
Never.

And as a result of that never happening, we don't know what will ultimately happen. But so far, the trends are not looking good.

And if mans actions are so insignificent to the world, why did man find it necessary to do things like catalytic converters, smoke stack scrubbers, un leaded gas, the list goes on about the things man did do to offset the termendous amount of air pollution that was happening in the 60ties and 70 ties.

You must not be old enough to remember places like Gary IN. Or Cleveland Ohio, or Pittsburg PA or any other industrial city that used to have a haze of pollution over the city that burnt the paint off your car and caused breathing problems etc etc.

You remember those days? They were created by the very men you claim can't really effect the enviornment.

How could that be?

Or maybe you think the air in Bejing is breathable?

This massive eruptive event spanned the Permian-Triassic boundary, about 250 million years ago, and is cited as a possible cause of the Permian-Triassic extinction event.[4][5] One of the major questions is whether the Siberian Traps was directly responsible, or if it was itself caused by some other larger event, such as an asteroid impact.

This extinction event, also called the Great Dying, affected all life on Earth, and is estimated to have killed 90% of species living at the time.[6] Life on land took at least 30 million years to fully recover from the environmental disruptions which may have been caused by the eruption of the Siberian Traps.[7]

Source: Siberian Traps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is evidence that the Siberian Traps caused massive ocean acidification by releasing hugh amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere over a relatively short period of time.

you display the same level of ignorant arrogance on this forum that you displayed on the old AWE.