Dangerous Chemicals in the Environment

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    Give the environmental movement its due!

    1. If there is one positive to be said for the environmental movement, it is that they bring public awareness of dangerous chemicals in our environment. Case in point: “The Invisible Killer: Dihydrogen Monoxide”

    a. Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there.

    b. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage.

    c. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance.

    d. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.

    e. Is also known as hydroxyl acid, and is the major component of acid rain…contributes to the "greenhouse effect."…may cause severe burns….contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape….accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals….may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes….has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.”

    f. Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today.”
    Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide!






    2. The above exposes the inanity of the environmental movement. Why? How? Well, those of us who recall even our junior high school chemistry recognize dihydrogen monoxide, which follows the proper conventions for chemical nomenclature, as what is, colloquially, known as water. Environmentalism takes advantage of the fact that most folks have a limited knowledge of chemistry, and fear what they don’t understand.

    a. So, collectivists- totalitarian big government agents- realize that most are susceptible to irrational fears…and, essentially, promise ‘don’t worry! We’ll take care of…protect you!” From water??


    3. While not as ubiquitous nor as harmless as water….DDT served as the stepping stone that launched the movement: The movement arose from the dead in the 1960’s, with the publication of Rachel Carson’s “Silent Spring.” From that moment, progressives embraced radical environmentalism and other visions of natural utopia. Based on anecdotal evidence and dubious statistics coupled with heaping doses of paranoia, but very little science, it gave birth to the full-blown Progressive!

    a. Carson’s book was dismissed in ‘Science’ magazine as a “prosecuting attorney’s impassioned plea for action,” not a book based on scientific data.
    I.L.Baldwin, “Chemicals and Pests,” Science, September 28, 1962, p.1042-1043.

    b. “Sixty million people have died needlessly of malaria, since the imposition of the 1972 ban on DDT, and hundreds of millions more have suffered from this debilitating disease. The majority of those affected are children.” Bring Back DDT!






    4. The more one knows, the more pathetic the Environmental Movement is seen to be. But, at the same time, the words of Lord Byron, “And if I laugh at any mortal thing,
    'Tis that I may not weep.”
    One has to cry at how many invest these thieves of liberty, these dictators of everything we have and everything we do, with political power.

    The old saying "knowledge is power" rings true. So, also, is “resist or lack of knowledge results in environmentalism.”


    And no one knows it better than a demagogue like Barack Obama.
     
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    "Would you like to sign our petition to ban Di-Hydrogen Monoxide?"

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw&playnext=1&list=PL551D01C84B0DCBD1&feature=results_video]Penn And Teller Get Hippies To Sign Water Banning Petition - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Fucking dumb. Exactly what one would expect from the source.
     
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    no sense of humour Old Rocks?
     
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    why does that OP sound suspiciously like the overwraught and exaggerated conclusions of so many supposedly serious papers blaming CAGW for every bad thing under the sun?
     
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    Just like everyone who signed that petition huh? :lol:
     
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    Oooops!

    A case of Voluntary Tourette's!!!!


    A sure sign that I hit he nail on your head.

    True?
     
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    Since we are being overly general I feel chemical pollution regulation is another issue where Republicans find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of inaction.

    Along with the hyprocracy of wanting small government then creating the Patriot Homeland Security Department or using John Ashcroft to impose religous views on Oregon NIMBY costs you all votes.

    NIMBY? Well if coal power was so great Chesterfield would be fighting for a coal plant to be relocated there.

    Oddly HUGE industries are relegated to the ghettos of East St Louis....because Democrats there love em? No, because the powers that be here want them down wind and down stream whenever possible because of.....some pointless fear of chemicals????? No, because of the reality of chemicals.

    I'm not an environut, right now I'm taking a break from working on the 68 coupe and my daily driver LSC. But I do thank the enviromentalists for banning lead in gas and forcing dirty coal out of folk's home heaters.
     
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    Talk about irony.
     
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    Bring back DDT?

    Debatable, but I will remind everybody that we can talk about the number of deaths caused by malaria all we want, but while we do so the human population continues to grow at an exponential rate, and will continue to do so until it can no longer be sustained. I don't know that the existence of an Environmental movement or lack thereof will have much to do with it. Perhaps that is the OP's point, or at least partially so.
     
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    DDT never went away, so one wonders what they're babbling about.

    The "DDT is harmless" idiocy is just another religious mantra of the extreme-right wing political cult. In general, they are all required to believe and loudly state that:

    1. Global warming is a hoax.
    2. DDT is harmless.
    3. Ozone depletion is a hoax.
    4. Air and water pollution regulations are a socialist plot.
    5. The media is liberal.
    6. The polls are all rigged, and Romney is ahead. (oops)

    ... and the list goes on. No need to humor them. Just mock them every time they spout any of their cult mantras.
     
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    And you can add asbestos to the list that the 'Conservatives' would wish on us. There are so many compounds that they knew would cause a certain amount to die, and shorten the lives of many others. But if it was for a dollar in their hands, who gives a damn about some drone working in a mine or factory, or downwind, or downstream from either.

    That was the attitude then, and is for many now. They knew of the dangers of asbestos in 1900. Here is a recent headline;

    Asbestos' death toll climbs in scenic Montana town as EPA struggles with vast cleanup effort


    Published May 24, 2010

    Associated Press


    Read more: Asbestos' death toll climbs in scenic Montana town as EPA struggles with vast cleanup effort | Fox News
     
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    Rocks....can't tell you the inspiration that you provide!!!

    Associated Press????


    I'm going to write an OP exposing the 'thinking' behind media support of all sorts of pseud0-science and the wackos that proclaim same.


    Hope you'll read it....and comment.
     
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    OMG! You still believe that???
    Once brain-dead, seems you remain so.



    1. . “…concerns about the impact of DDT (dichloro-diphenyl-trichloro-ethane) and its derivates on human health, in spite of the fact that DDT has been used widely for seven decades and no properly replicated and confirmed study has found any specific human health harm. Given the enormous and proven public health benefits arising from the use of DDT in disease control,… high levels of human exposure to DDT among those living in sprayed houses but presented no evidence of actual human harm arising from that exposure….Where DDT has been used in malaria control over many decades, populations have grown and health outcomes have improved.” PMC - NCBI

    2. . On June 14, 1972, 30 years ago this week, the EPA banned DDT despite considerable evidence of its safety offered in seven months of agency hearings. After listening to that testimony, the EPA's own administrative law judge declared, "DDT is not a carcinogenic hazard to man...DDT is not a mutagenic or teratogenic hazard to man...The use of DDT under the regulations involved here [does] not have a deleterious effect on freshwater fish, estuarine organisms, wild birds or other wildlife." Today environmental activists celebrate the EPA's DDT ban as their first great victory. Silent Spring at 40 - Reason.com



    So....which appellation do you prefer? "Reliable Democrat Voter," or the more current, "Low Information Voter"

    And don't forget to wear the sign.
     
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    Expose of these people as well?

    ATSDR - Asbestos - Health Effects

    Asbestos Exposure and Cancer Risk - National Cancer Institute

    Asbestos - Hazards

    PC, you are so out of touch with reality one wonders how you function from day to day.
     
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    Now you know that everyone is fighting and making petitions and such to get new refineries put in their backyards.
     
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    "...one wonders how you function from day to day."

    Wow....thanks so much for your concern, Rocks.
    But....I've got it pretty much handled; one trick I use is to leave breadcrumbs, so I can find my way back home.


    Now, this may be of use to you: the function I use in solving problems is called logic.

    Have you heard of it?

    Here: Logic-
    (1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning (2) : a branch or variety of logic <modal logic> <Boolean logic> (3) : a branch of semiotics; especially : syntactics (4) : the formal principles of a branch of knowledge
    Logic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


    Try it.

    Begin by showing any errors in the OP.
     
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    PC, do you own a garden? I can not go spray Round Up on my pet frog.

    Your Constitutional threads are a true asset to the board. A real breath of fresh air.

    Sometimes though when I hang out with my model train friends their $400 HO locomotives almost seem normal. The car club dudes all make it seem like turbo charging your V8 is a good way to spend several grand.

    So no matter how reasonable and caring socialism seems on a commune we must remember it doesn't work.

    And we gotta remember the type of folks who run Monsanto and created Solutia to all their legal problems before we get swayed out of reasonable caution and follow that whole crowd back to the America of the industrial revolution.
     
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    Toronado.....I sure hope you took the time to watch the vid that Doc Phibes posted #2 above....

    ...'cause it's the point you were making from the other side.
     
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    Everyone who isn't a retarded right-wing political cultist believes it. I mean, we have raving cranks like you on one side, and the entire freakin' planet and all the scientific research on another. Golly, who to trust?

    DDT wasn't banned for malaria control. It was banned for mass agricultural use, where application rates were thousands of times higher. The fact that you tried to equate those two wildly different cases shows you're either being deliberately dishonest, or that you're completely ignorant of the facts. Either way, it means you need to go sit down at the kiddie table, shut up and just listen as the grownups talk.

    And considerable evidence it wasn't safe when used by the ton, which is backed up by all the scientific evidence. You're crazy desperate now, rambling about what some political hacks said at a 1972 hearing instead of looking at actual scientific evidence.

    I prefer you break free of your brainwashing, but you don't have the smarts or the courage for that. You'll go to your grave as a Useful Idiot.

    Rachel Carlson, by stopping mass DDT use, prevented mosquitoes from developing resistance to DDT, and thus allowed DDT to be used effectively in malaria control, saving millions of lives. Your retarded political hackery, if implemented, would have killed those millions.

    And you don't care. If millions have to die for the glory of TheParty, you're good with seeing that happen. On every topic, in every case, you will do what your party orders, no matter how many people it kills. There's no difference between you and the Stalinists in that regard.
     

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