Narcissistic Personality Disorder

[Pogo]

Donald Trump is the best narcissist president we have ever had. Obama was a narcissistic disaster. Trump has made narcissism great again. Some people say narcissism is a bad thing, but Trump makes it terrific. Anyone who says Trump's narcissism is bad for America, they are a traitor to the country.

Our US Presidents are/were all narcissists, some more than others and Teddy Roosevelt, Kennedy and FDR were all rated high on presidents that were narcissists. The are more narcissistic than the average American. It is part of why they want to run for and become President.

This is all playing very VERY loosely with the clinical definition of "narcissist". It does NOT mean somebody who's in charge or wants to be. That's not nearly enough.

TR was maligned as an egomaniac, but he changed his ways to start listening to others. That's not something a narcissist can do. JFK, FDR, the aforementioned Reagan or any other POTUS certainly including O'bama, could take and make a joke at their own expense. The White House Correspondents' Dinner is a ready repository to prove that. LBJ who ranked number 1 on your link's list, readily admitted and lamented his failures, which again is not within an NPD's capability.

Rump is different from all of them. TR, JFK, FDR would not spend the time at their parent's funeral talking about themselves. TR, JFK, FDR didn't invent fake press agents to plant sex stories in gossip rags or invent fake Time Magazine covers with their own pictures on them. TR, JFK, or FDR would not have posed for soft porn pics with their own daughters. And of course JFK and FDR attended the WHCDs and traded barbs there. Rump just announced for the third year in a row he can't handle it.

Interesting opinion, however I don't really agree with you.

Whelp, there is a clinical definition we can go to rather than opinionate about what we see or don't see. I posted it back in 107. Here it is again.


Here are the medically accepted DSM-5 criteria ("DSM-5" means that five of the symptoms must exist for a diagnosis of NPD):

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerate achievements and talents
• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
• Take advantage of others to get what they want
• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Be envious of others and believe others envy them
• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

Sound familiar? Let's break 'em down step by step. I'll drop some examples in to get started, anyone can copy and add as they like -- note there is much overlap ---

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance --- "I alone can fix it". "I'm very smart". "I have a very good brain". "I know more than the generals". "I'm really really rich".... shoving a head of state aside... walking in front of the Queen... etc etc etc

• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration - “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p***y”.... I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose votes" ... "I got more electoral votes than anybody since Reagan"... "I can sort of get away with that [walking in on teenage girls' dressing rooms]"... rambling on and on and on and on for two hours plus at CPAC .... etc etc etc

• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it - "I will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created"... "I'm the least racist person ever".... "Nobody respects women more than me".... "Nobody builds walls like I do"...."All the women tried to flirt with me -- that's to be expected"... etc etc etc

• Exaggerate achievements and talents - see point above, as well as myriad provably false business claims including pretending to have Rump Water and Rump Steaks at a rally, both of which are extinct...playing down a "small loan from my father"... "we got more done than anybody since Truman"..... etc etc etc ---- and let's not leave out that crowning boil of pus, a fake Time Magazine cover

• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate -- not even enough room on the internet to fill this one out. Don't forget preoccupation with "ratings" and audience sizes here.

• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people - Also covered above, see also "shithole countries", see also disdainfully tossing rolls of paper towels at Puerto Rico, etc etc etc

• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior - Again, hardly enough bandwidth to handle from "low energy Jeb" to "little Marco" to "who would vote for that face" to "he's not a hero; I like people who weren't captured, OK?" to "Pocahontas" to "beat the crap out of 'em" to "blood coming out of her wherever" and "bleeding badly from a facelift".... mocking a reporter's congenital disability because he wouldn't lie for him..."get that sumbitch off the field, he's fired"..."I have a very good relationship with the blacks" and "look at my African American over here, look at him!"... add your own here

• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations - "I expect loyalty" to the head of FBI... Megyn Kelly question noted above... "little Bob Corker"... feuding with Jeff Sessions over recusal...

• Take advantage of others to get what they want - history of not paying workers. . veterans "charity" scandal... the entire Fraud University escapade summed up in its credo "You don't sell products, benefits or solutions --- you sell FEELINGS"... etc etc etc

• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others - Children in cages; "fire the sumbitches"... paper towel flinging at Puerto Rico.... "his wife didn't speak, maybe she wasn't allowed to speak".... etc etc etc

• Be envious of others and believe others envy them - see above "Ï'm really rich" and "flirting with me on the set" quotes... disinviting the World Champion Philadelphia Eagles... fueds with Jeff Bezos and Tim Apple.... etc etc

• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious HELLOOOO.....

• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office --- yeah I think we've got our five symptoms. I don't see a box here that CAN'T be checked.

That was fun, now let us move on to part two:

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment -- "witch hunts".... "press is very unfair" ... .SNL is very unfair".... "bleeding badly from a facelift" and "blood coming out of her wherever".... "the failing New York Times".... "maybe he should have been roughed up" .... etc etc etc

• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted -- again HELLOOOO.... staying up all night sending whiny tweets... massive desertions in the office, "fucking moron" and unstable assessments....

• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior - again, He's not a hero, he's only a hero because he was captured".... see also "little Marco", "little Bob Corker", "Pocahontas" et al above....

• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior -- "Obama tapppped my wires".... melting down at the impromptu Charlottesville news conference.... stalking around behind Clinton in debate.... etc etc etc

• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change - the Charlottesville "very fine people" meltdown cited above... the record government shutdown.... inability to handle questions on bankruptcies.... inability to deal with the press....

• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection - we can't tell, can we --- leads to the next:

• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation - obviously this is where it all starts. Here also goes inability to admit "Tim Apple" and "Marilyn Lockheed", "covfefe", "would means woudln't", the "very fine people" meltdown and the desperate attempt to deny jerking around to mock a reporter's disability, etc etc etc

and...? That has nothing to do with what I was speaking of but feel free to keep posting it over and over again.

Your opinion is one I don't share with you.

That isn't "opinion". It's the clinical definition as established by the American Psychiatric Association.

 

[Ringel05]

Our US Presidents are/were all narcissists, some more than others and Teddy Roosevelt, Kennedy and FDR were all rated high on presidents that were narcissists. The are more narcissistic than the average American. It is part of why they want to run for and become President.

This is all playing very VERY loosely with the clinical definition of "narcissist". It does NOT mean somebody who's in charge or wants to be. That's not nearly enough.

TR was maligned as an egomaniac, but he changed his ways to start listening to others. That's not something a narcissist can do. JFK, FDR, the aforementioned Reagan or any other POTUS certainly including O'bama, could take and make a joke at their own expense. The White House Correspondents' Dinner is a ready repository to prove that. LBJ who ranked number 1 on your link's list, readily admitted and lamented his failures, which again is not within an NPD's capability.

Rump is different from all of them. TR, JFK, FDR would not spend the time at their parent's funeral talking about themselves. TR, JFK, FDR didn't invent fake press agents to plant sex stories in gossip rags or invent fake Time Magazine covers with their own pictures on them. TR, JFK, or FDR would not have posed for soft porn pics with their own daughters. And of course JFK and FDR attended the WHCDs and traded barbs there. Rump just announced for the third year in a row he can't handle it.

Interesting opinion, however I don't really agree with you.

Whelp, there is a clinical definition we can go to rather than opinionate about what we see or don't see. I posted it back in 107. Here it is again.


Here are the medically accepted DSM-5 criteria ("DSM-5" means that five of the symptoms must exist for a diagnosis of NPD):

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerate achievements and talents
• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
• Take advantage of others to get what they want
• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Be envious of others and believe others envy them
• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

Sound familiar? Let's break 'em down step by step. I'll drop some examples in to get started, anyone can copy and add as they like -- note there is much overlap ---

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance --- "I alone can fix it". "I'm very smart". "I have a very good brain". "I know more than the generals". "I'm really really rich".... shoving a head of state aside... walking in front of the Queen... etc etc etc

• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration - “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p***y”.... I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose votes" ... "I got more electoral votes than anybody since Reagan"... "I can sort of get away with that [walking in on teenage girls' dressing rooms]"... rambling on and on and on and on for two hours plus at CPAC .... etc etc etc

• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it - "I will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created"... "I'm the least racist person ever".... "Nobody respects women more than me".... "Nobody builds walls like I do"...."All the women tried to flirt with me -- that's to be expected"... etc etc etc

• Exaggerate achievements and talents - see point above, as well as myriad provably false business claims including pretending to have Rump Water and Rump Steaks at a rally, both of which are extinct...playing down a "small loan from my father"... "we got more done than anybody since Truman"..... etc etc etc ---- and let's not leave out that crowning boil of pus, a fake Time Magazine cover

• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate -- not even enough room on the internet to fill this one out. Don't forget preoccupation with "ratings" and audience sizes here.

• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people - Also covered above, see also "shithole countries", see also disdainfully tossing rolls of paper towels at Puerto Rico, etc etc etc

• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior - Again, hardly enough bandwidth to handle from "low energy Jeb" to "little Marco" to "who would vote for that face" to "he's not a hero; I like people who weren't captured, OK?" to "Pocahontas" to "beat the crap out of 'em" to "blood coming out of her wherever" and "bleeding badly from a facelift".... mocking a reporter's congenital disability because he wouldn't lie for him..."get that sumbitch off the field, he's fired"..."I have a very good relationship with the blacks" and "look at my African American over here, look at him!"... add your own here

• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations - "I expect loyalty" to the head of FBI... Megyn Kelly question noted above... "little Bob Corker"... feuding with Jeff Sessions over recusal...

• Take advantage of others to get what they want - history of not paying workers. . veterans "charity" scandal... the entire Fraud University escapade summed up in its credo "You don't sell products, benefits or solutions --- you sell FEELINGS"... etc etc etc

• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others - Children in cages; "fire the sumbitches"... paper towel flinging at Puerto Rico.... "his wife didn't speak, maybe she wasn't allowed to speak".... etc etc etc

• Be envious of others and believe others envy them - see above "Ï'm really rich" and "flirting with me on the set" quotes... disinviting the World Champion Philadelphia Eagles... fueds with Jeff Bezos and Tim Apple.... etc etc

• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious HELLOOOO.....

• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office --- yeah I think we've got our five symptoms. I don't see a box here that CAN'T be checked.

That was fun, now let us move on to part two:

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment -- "witch hunts".... "press is very unfair" ... .SNL is very unfair".... "bleeding badly from a facelift" and "blood coming out of her wherever".... "the failing New York Times".... "maybe he should have been roughed up" .... etc etc etc

• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted -- again HELLOOOO.... staying up all night sending whiny tweets... massive desertions in the office, "fucking moron" and unstable assessments....

• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior - again, He's not a hero, he's only a hero because he was captured".... see also "little Marco", "little Bob Corker", "Pocahontas" et al above....

• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior -- "Obama tapppped my wires".... melting down at the impromptu Charlottesville news conference.... stalking around behind Clinton in debate.... etc etc etc

• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change - the Charlottesville "very fine people" meltdown cited above... the record government shutdown.... inability to handle questions on bankruptcies.... inability to deal with the press....

• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection - we can't tell, can we --- leads to the next:

• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation - obviously this is where it all starts. Here also goes inability to admit "Tim Apple" and "Marilyn Lockheed", "covfefe", "would means woudln't", the "very fine people" meltdown and the desperate attempt to deny jerking around to mock a reporter's disability, etc etc etc

and...? That has nothing to do with what I was speaking of but feel free to keep posting it over and over again.

Your opinion is one I don't share with you.

That isn't "opinion". It's the clinical definition as established by the American Psychiatric Association.

Just saw this thread and thought I was finally getting the recognition I deserve.

 

[Papageorgio]

Our US Presidents are/were all narcissists, some more than others and Teddy Roosevelt, Kennedy and FDR were all rated high on presidents that were narcissists. The are more narcissistic than the average American. It is part of why they want to run for and become President.

This is all playing very VERY loosely with the clinical definition of "narcissist". It does NOT mean somebody who's in charge or wants to be. That's not nearly enough.

TR was maligned as an egomaniac, but he changed his ways to start listening to others. That's not something a narcissist can do. JFK, FDR, the aforementioned Reagan or any other POTUS certainly including O'bama, could take and make a joke at their own expense. The White House Correspondents' Dinner is a ready repository to prove that. LBJ who ranked number 1 on your link's list, readily admitted and lamented his failures, which again is not within an NPD's capability.

Rump is different from all of them. TR, JFK, FDR would not spend the time at their parent's funeral talking about themselves. TR, JFK, FDR didn't invent fake press agents to plant sex stories in gossip rags or invent fake Time Magazine covers with their own pictures on them. TR, JFK, or FDR would not have posed for soft porn pics with their own daughters. And of course JFK and FDR attended the WHCDs and traded barbs there. Rump just announced for the third year in a row he can't handle it.

Interesting opinion, however I don't really agree with you.

Whelp, there is a clinical definition we can go to rather than opinionate about what we see or don't see. I posted it back in 107. Here it is again.


Here are the medically accepted DSM-5 criteria ("DSM-5" means that five of the symptoms must exist for a diagnosis of NPD):

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerate achievements and talents
• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
• Take advantage of others to get what they want
• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Be envious of others and believe others envy them
• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

Sound familiar? Let's break 'em down step by step. I'll drop some examples in to get started, anyone can copy and add as they like -- note there is much overlap ---

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance --- "I alone can fix it". "I'm very smart". "I have a very good brain". "I know more than the generals". "I'm really really rich".... shoving a head of state aside... walking in front of the Queen... etc etc etc

• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration - “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p***y”.... I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose votes" ... "I got more electoral votes than anybody since Reagan"... "I can sort of get away with that [walking in on teenage girls' dressing rooms]"... rambling on and on and on and on for two hours plus at CPAC .... etc etc etc

• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it - "I will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created"... "I'm the least racist person ever".... "Nobody respects women more than me".... "Nobody builds walls like I do"...."All the women tried to flirt with me -- that's to be expected"... etc etc etc

• Exaggerate achievements and talents - see point above, as well as myriad provably false business claims including pretending to have Rump Water and Rump Steaks at a rally, both of which are extinct...playing down a "small loan from my father"... "we got more done than anybody since Truman"..... etc etc etc ---- and let's not leave out that crowning boil of pus, a fake Time Magazine cover

• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate -- not even enough room on the internet to fill this one out. Don't forget preoccupation with "ratings" and audience sizes here.

• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people - Also covered above, see also "shithole countries", see also disdainfully tossing rolls of paper towels at Puerto Rico, etc etc etc

• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior - Again, hardly enough bandwidth to handle from "low energy Jeb" to "little Marco" to "who would vote for that face" to "he's not a hero; I like people who weren't captured, OK?" to "Pocahontas" to "beat the crap out of 'em" to "blood coming out of her wherever" and "bleeding badly from a facelift".... mocking a reporter's congenital disability because he wouldn't lie for him..."get that sumbitch off the field, he's fired"..."I have a very good relationship with the blacks" and "look at my African American over here, look at him!"... add your own here

• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations - "I expect loyalty" to the head of FBI... Megyn Kelly question noted above... "little Bob Corker"... feuding with Jeff Sessions over recusal...

• Take advantage of others to get what they want - history of not paying workers. . veterans "charity" scandal... the entire Fraud University escapade summed up in its credo "You don't sell products, benefits or solutions --- you sell FEELINGS"... etc etc etc

• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others - Children in cages; "fire the sumbitches"... paper towel flinging at Puerto Rico.... "his wife didn't speak, maybe she wasn't allowed to speak".... etc etc etc

• Be envious of others and believe others envy them - see above "Ï'm really rich" and "flirting with me on the set" quotes... disinviting the World Champion Philadelphia Eagles... fueds with Jeff Bezos and Tim Apple.... etc etc

• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious HELLOOOO.....

• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office --- yeah I think we've got our five symptoms. I don't see a box here that CAN'T be checked.

That was fun, now let us move on to part two:

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment -- "witch hunts".... "press is very unfair" ... .SNL is very unfair".... "bleeding badly from a facelift" and "blood coming out of her wherever".... "the failing New York Times".... "maybe he should have been roughed up" .... etc etc etc

• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted -- again HELLOOOO.... staying up all night sending whiny tweets... massive desertions in the office, "fucking moron" and unstable assessments....

• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior - again, He's not a hero, he's only a hero because he was captured".... see also "little Marco", "little Bob Corker", "Pocahontas" et al above....

• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior -- "Obama tapppped my wires".... melting down at the impromptu Charlottesville news conference.... stalking around behind Clinton in debate.... etc etc etc

• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change - the Charlottesville "very fine people" meltdown cited above... the record government shutdown.... inability to handle questions on bankruptcies.... inability to deal with the press....

• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection - we can't tell, can we --- leads to the next:

• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation - obviously this is where it all starts. Here also goes inability to admit "Tim Apple" and "Marilyn Lockheed", "covfefe", "would means woudln't", the "very fine people" meltdown and the desperate attempt to deny jerking around to mock a reporter's disability, etc etc etc

and...? That has nothing to do with what I was speaking of but feel free to keep posting it over and over again.

Your opinion is one I don't share with you.

That isn't "opinion". It's the clinical definition as established by the American Psychiatric Association.

still not understanding?

 

[Pogo]

Narcissistic personality disorder
One of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Does that sound like anyone we know?


Donald Trump.


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Sounds like Obama.

Just sayin'.

Just blowin' smoke.

Let's get into it. Just from the OP's summary:

a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance

Who said "I alone can fix it"? Who said "nobody builds walls better than me" and "I'm the least racist person you've ever met" and "I have a great respect for women" while of course going to tweets about "blood" every time one crosses him?
HINT --- IT'S ALL THE SAME PERSON

... a deep need for excessive attention and admiration

​

.... troubled relationships

...and a lack of empathy for others.

But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

​

Your witless, Counselor.

I think I could probably do every job on the campaign better than the people I’ll hire to do it,” he said. “It’s hard to give up control when that’s all I’ve known.” Obama said nearly the same thing to Patrick Gaspard, whom he hired to be the campaign’s political director. “I think I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters,” Obama told him. “I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.

- Obabble, 2006

Obama: I Can Do Every Job Better Than Those I Hire to Do It | National Review

Ah you need more? Can do.

a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance

... a deep need for excessive attention and admiration

​

.... troubled relationships

​

...and a lack of empathy for others.

​

But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

• said that the FBI was rigged
• said the Republican Party had rigged the nomination process
• Three years in a row 2012-2014, Rump whined that the process to select Emmy award winners was rigged because The Apprentice did not win.
• "The judge from Indiana is Mexican!" :eusa_crybaby:
• "Bleeding badly from a facelift" (because he was called out for a fake magazine cover)
• "Blood coming out of her wherever" (because a debate moderator asked a pointed question)
• "Little Bob Corker" (after falsely claiming Corker brought about Iran deal)
• Mocking a disabled reporter who wouldn't support his blatant lie about "thousands and thousands dancing on rooftops"

Etc etc etc

 

[Pogo]

This is all playing very VERY loosely with the clinical definition of "narcissist". It does NOT mean somebody who's in charge or wants to be. That's not nearly enough.

TR was maligned as an egomaniac, but he changed his ways to start listening to others. That's not something a narcissist can do. JFK, FDR, the aforementioned Reagan or any other POTUS certainly including O'bama, could take and make a joke at their own expense. The White House Correspondents' Dinner is a ready repository to prove that. LBJ who ranked number 1 on your link's list, readily admitted and lamented his failures, which again is not within an NPD's capability.

Rump is different from all of them. TR, JFK, FDR would not spend the time at their parent's funeral talking about themselves. TR, JFK, FDR didn't invent fake press agents to plant sex stories in gossip rags or invent fake Time Magazine covers with their own pictures on them. TR, JFK, or FDR would not have posed for soft porn pics with their own daughters. And of course JFK and FDR attended the WHCDs and traded barbs there. Rump just announced for the third year in a row he can't handle it.

Interesting opinion, however I don't really agree with you.

Whelp, there is a clinical definition we can go to rather than opinionate about what we see or don't see. I posted it back in 107. Here it is again.


Here are the medically accepted DSM-5 criteria ("DSM-5" means that five of the symptoms must exist for a diagnosis of NPD):

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerate achievements and talents
• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
• Take advantage of others to get what they want
• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Be envious of others and believe others envy them
• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

Sound familiar? Let's break 'em down step by step. I'll drop some examples in to get started, anyone can copy and add as they like -- note there is much overlap ---

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance --- "I alone can fix it". "I'm very smart". "I have a very good brain". "I know more than the generals". "I'm really really rich".... shoving a head of state aside... walking in front of the Queen... etc etc etc

• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration - “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p***y”.... I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose votes" ... "I got more electoral votes than anybody since Reagan"... "I can sort of get away with that [walking in on teenage girls' dressing rooms]"... rambling on and on and on and on for two hours plus at CPAC .... etc etc etc

• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it - "I will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created"... "I'm the least racist person ever".... "Nobody respects women more than me".... "Nobody builds walls like I do"...."All the women tried to flirt with me -- that's to be expected"... etc etc etc

• Exaggerate achievements and talents - see point above, as well as myriad provably false business claims including pretending to have Rump Water and Rump Steaks at a rally, both of which are extinct...playing down a "small loan from my father"... "we got more done than anybody since Truman"..... etc etc etc ---- and let's not leave out that crowning boil of pus, a fake Time Magazine cover

• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate -- not even enough room on the internet to fill this one out. Don't forget preoccupation with "ratings" and audience sizes here.

• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people - Also covered above, see also "shithole countries", see also disdainfully tossing rolls of paper towels at Puerto Rico, etc etc etc

• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior - Again, hardly enough bandwidth to handle from "low energy Jeb" to "little Marco" to "who would vote for that face" to "he's not a hero; I like people who weren't captured, OK?" to "Pocahontas" to "beat the crap out of 'em" to "blood coming out of her wherever" and "bleeding badly from a facelift".... mocking a reporter's congenital disability because he wouldn't lie for him..."get that sumbitch off the field, he's fired"..."I have a very good relationship with the blacks" and "look at my African American over here, look at him!"... add your own here

• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations - "I expect loyalty" to the head of FBI... Megyn Kelly question noted above... "little Bob Corker"... feuding with Jeff Sessions over recusal...

• Take advantage of others to get what they want - history of not paying workers. . veterans "charity" scandal... the entire Fraud University escapade summed up in its credo "You don't sell products, benefits or solutions --- you sell FEELINGS"... etc etc etc

• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others - Children in cages; "fire the sumbitches"... paper towel flinging at Puerto Rico.... "his wife didn't speak, maybe she wasn't allowed to speak".... etc etc etc

• Be envious of others and believe others envy them - see above "Ï'm really rich" and "flirting with me on the set" quotes... disinviting the World Champion Philadelphia Eagles... fueds with Jeff Bezos and Tim Apple.... etc etc

• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious HELLOOOO.....

• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office --- yeah I think we've got our five symptoms. I don't see a box here that CAN'T be checked.

That was fun, now let us move on to part two:

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment -- "witch hunts".... "press is very unfair" ... .SNL is very unfair".... "bleeding badly from a facelift" and "blood coming out of her wherever".... "the failing New York Times".... "maybe he should have been roughed up" .... etc etc etc

• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted -- again HELLOOOO.... staying up all night sending whiny tweets... massive desertions in the office, "fucking moron" and unstable assessments....

• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior - again, He's not a hero, he's only a hero because he was captured".... see also "little Marco", "little Bob Corker", "Pocahontas" et al above....

• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior -- "Obama tapppped my wires".... melting down at the impromptu Charlottesville news conference.... stalking around behind Clinton in debate.... etc etc etc

• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change - the Charlottesville "very fine people" meltdown cited above... the record government shutdown.... inability to handle questions on bankruptcies.... inability to deal with the press....

• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection - we can't tell, can we --- leads to the next:

• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation - obviously this is where it all starts. Here also goes inability to admit "Tim Apple" and "Marilyn Lockheed", "covfefe", "would means woudln't", the "very fine people" meltdown and the desperate attempt to deny jerking around to mock a reporter's disability, etc etc etc

and...? That has nothing to do with what I was speaking of but feel free to keep posting it over and over again.

Your opinion is one I don't share with you.

That isn't "opinion". It's the clinical definition as established by the American Psychiatric Association.

Just saw this thread and thought I was finally getting the recognition I deserve.

That happens every day at 4am when the site shuts down for maintenance and goes "Bad Gateway".

 

[Pogo]

This is all playing very VERY loosely with the clinical definition of "narcissist". It does NOT mean somebody who's in charge or wants to be. That's not nearly enough.

TR was maligned as an egomaniac, but he changed his ways to start listening to others. That's not something a narcissist can do. JFK, FDR, the aforementioned Reagan or any other POTUS certainly including O'bama, could take and make a joke at their own expense. The White House Correspondents' Dinner is a ready repository to prove that. LBJ who ranked number 1 on your link's list, readily admitted and lamented his failures, which again is not within an NPD's capability.

Rump is different from all of them. TR, JFK, FDR would not spend the time at their parent's funeral talking about themselves. TR, JFK, FDR didn't invent fake press agents to plant sex stories in gossip rags or invent fake Time Magazine covers with their own pictures on them. TR, JFK, or FDR would not have posed for soft porn pics with their own daughters. And of course JFK and FDR attended the WHCDs and traded barbs there. Rump just announced for the third year in a row he can't handle it.

Interesting opinion, however I don't really agree with you.

Whelp, there is a clinical definition we can go to rather than opinionate about what we see or don't see. I posted it back in 107. Here it is again.


Here are the medically accepted DSM-5 criteria ("DSM-5" means that five of the symptoms must exist for a diagnosis of NPD):

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerate achievements and talents
• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
• Take advantage of others to get what they want
• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Be envious of others and believe others envy them
• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

Sound familiar? Let's break 'em down step by step. I'll drop some examples in to get started, anyone can copy and add as they like -- note there is much overlap ---

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance --- "I alone can fix it". "I'm very smart". "I have a very good brain". "I know more than the generals". "I'm really really rich".... shoving a head of state aside... walking in front of the Queen... etc etc etc

• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration - “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p***y”.... I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose votes" ... "I got more electoral votes than anybody since Reagan"... "I can sort of get away with that [walking in on teenage girls' dressing rooms]"... rambling on and on and on and on for two hours plus at CPAC .... etc etc etc

• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it - "I will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created"... "I'm the least racist person ever".... "Nobody respects women more than me".... "Nobody builds walls like I do"...."All the women tried to flirt with me -- that's to be expected"... etc etc etc

• Exaggerate achievements and talents - see point above, as well as myriad provably false business claims including pretending to have Rump Water and Rump Steaks at a rally, both of which are extinct...playing down a "small loan from my father"... "we got more done than anybody since Truman"..... etc etc etc ---- and let's not leave out that crowning boil of pus, a fake Time Magazine cover

• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate -- not even enough room on the internet to fill this one out. Don't forget preoccupation with "ratings" and audience sizes here.

• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people - Also covered above, see also "shithole countries", see also disdainfully tossing rolls of paper towels at Puerto Rico, etc etc etc

• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior - Again, hardly enough bandwidth to handle from "low energy Jeb" to "little Marco" to "who would vote for that face" to "he's not a hero; I like people who weren't captured, OK?" to "Pocahontas" to "beat the crap out of 'em" to "blood coming out of her wherever" and "bleeding badly from a facelift".... mocking a reporter's congenital disability because he wouldn't lie for him..."get that sumbitch off the field, he's fired"..."I have a very good relationship with the blacks" and "look at my African American over here, look at him!"... add your own here

• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations - "I expect loyalty" to the head of FBI... Megyn Kelly question noted above... "little Bob Corker"... feuding with Jeff Sessions over recusal...

• Take advantage of others to get what they want - history of not paying workers. . veterans "charity" scandal... the entire Fraud University escapade summed up in its credo "You don't sell products, benefits or solutions --- you sell FEELINGS"... etc etc etc

• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others - Children in cages; "fire the sumbitches"... paper towel flinging at Puerto Rico.... "his wife didn't speak, maybe she wasn't allowed to speak".... etc etc etc

• Be envious of others and believe others envy them - see above "Ï'm really rich" and "flirting with me on the set" quotes... disinviting the World Champion Philadelphia Eagles... fueds with Jeff Bezos and Tim Apple.... etc etc

• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious HELLOOOO.....

• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office --- yeah I think we've got our five symptoms. I don't see a box here that CAN'T be checked.

That was fun, now let us move on to part two:

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment -- "witch hunts".... "press is very unfair" ... .SNL is very unfair".... "bleeding badly from a facelift" and "blood coming out of her wherever".... "the failing New York Times".... "maybe he should have been roughed up" .... etc etc etc

• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted -- again HELLOOOO.... staying up all night sending whiny tweets... massive desertions in the office, "fucking moron" and unstable assessments....

• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior - again, He's not a hero, he's only a hero because he was captured".... see also "little Marco", "little Bob Corker", "Pocahontas" et al above....

• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior -- "Obama tapppped my wires".... melting down at the impromptu Charlottesville news conference.... stalking around behind Clinton in debate.... etc etc etc

• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change - the Charlottesville "very fine people" meltdown cited above... the record government shutdown.... inability to handle questions on bankruptcies.... inability to deal with the press....

• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection - we can't tell, can we --- leads to the next:

• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation - obviously this is where it all starts. Here also goes inability to admit "Tim Apple" and "Marilyn Lockheed", "covfefe", "would means woudln't", the "very fine people" meltdown and the desperate attempt to deny jerking around to mock a reporter's disability, etc etc etc

and...? That has nothing to do with what I was speaking of but feel free to keep posting it over and over again.

Your opinion is one I don't share with you.

That isn't "opinion". It's the clinical definition as established by the American Psychiatric Association.

still not understanding?

"DSM-5" (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) means that five of those listed criteria (in the bullets) must be present in the subject to diagnose Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

 

[Papageorgio]

Interesting opinion, however I don't really agree with you.

Whelp, there is a clinical definition we can go to rather than opinionate about what we see or don't see. I posted it back in 107. Here it is again.


Here are the medically accepted DSM-5 criteria ("DSM-5" means that five of the symptoms must exist for a diagnosis of NPD):

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerate achievements and talents
• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
• Take advantage of others to get what they want
• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Be envious of others and believe others envy them
• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

Sound familiar? Let's break 'em down step by step. I'll drop some examples in to get started, anyone can copy and add as they like -- note there is much overlap ---

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance --- "I alone can fix it". "I'm very smart". "I have a very good brain". "I know more than the generals". "I'm really really rich".... shoving a head of state aside... walking in front of the Queen... etc etc etc

• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration - “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p***y”.... I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose votes" ... "I got more electoral votes than anybody since Reagan"... "I can sort of get away with that [walking in on teenage girls' dressing rooms]"... rambling on and on and on and on for two hours plus at CPAC .... etc etc etc

• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it - "I will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created"... "I'm the least racist person ever".... "Nobody respects women more than me".... "Nobody builds walls like I do"...."All the women tried to flirt with me -- that's to be expected"... etc etc etc

• Exaggerate achievements and talents - see point above, as well as myriad provably false business claims including pretending to have Rump Water and Rump Steaks at a rally, both of which are extinct...playing down a "small loan from my father"... "we got more done than anybody since Truman"..... etc etc etc ---- and let's not leave out that crowning boil of pus, a fake Time Magazine cover

• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate -- not even enough room on the internet to fill this one out. Don't forget preoccupation with "ratings" and audience sizes here.

• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people - Also covered above, see also "shithole countries", see also disdainfully tossing rolls of paper towels at Puerto Rico, etc etc etc

• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior - Again, hardly enough bandwidth to handle from "low energy Jeb" to "little Marco" to "who would vote for that face" to "he's not a hero; I like people who weren't captured, OK?" to "Pocahontas" to "beat the crap out of 'em" to "blood coming out of her wherever" and "bleeding badly from a facelift".... mocking a reporter's congenital disability because he wouldn't lie for him..."get that sumbitch off the field, he's fired"..."I have a very good relationship with the blacks" and "look at my African American over here, look at him!"... add your own here

• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations - "I expect loyalty" to the head of FBI... Megyn Kelly question noted above... "little Bob Corker"... feuding with Jeff Sessions over recusal...

• Take advantage of others to get what they want - history of not paying workers. . veterans "charity" scandal... the entire Fraud University escapade summed up in its credo "You don't sell products, benefits or solutions --- you sell FEELINGS"... etc etc etc

• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others - Children in cages; "fire the sumbitches"... paper towel flinging at Puerto Rico.... "his wife didn't speak, maybe she wasn't allowed to speak".... etc etc etc

• Be envious of others and believe others envy them - see above "Ï'm really rich" and "flirting with me on the set" quotes... disinviting the World Champion Philadelphia Eagles... fueds with Jeff Bezos and Tim Apple.... etc etc

• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious HELLOOOO.....

• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office --- yeah I think we've got our five symptoms. I don't see a box here that CAN'T be checked.

That was fun, now let us move on to part two:

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment -- "witch hunts".... "press is very unfair" ... .SNL is very unfair".... "bleeding badly from a facelift" and "blood coming out of her wherever".... "the failing New York Times".... "maybe he should have been roughed up" .... etc etc etc

• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted -- again HELLOOOO.... staying up all night sending whiny tweets... massive desertions in the office, "fucking moron" and unstable assessments....

• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior - again, He's not a hero, he's only a hero because he was captured".... see also "little Marco", "little Bob Corker", "Pocahontas" et al above....

• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior -- "Obama tapppped my wires".... melting down at the impromptu Charlottesville news conference.... stalking around behind Clinton in debate.... etc etc etc

• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change - the Charlottesville "very fine people" meltdown cited above... the record government shutdown.... inability to handle questions on bankruptcies.... inability to deal with the press....

• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection - we can't tell, can we --- leads to the next:

• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation - obviously this is where it all starts. Here also goes inability to admit "Tim Apple" and "Marilyn Lockheed", "covfefe", "would means woudln't", the "very fine people" meltdown and the desperate attempt to deny jerking around to mock a reporter's disability, etc etc etc

and...? That has nothing to do with what I was speaking of but feel free to keep posting it over and over again.

Your opinion is one I don't share with you.

That isn't "opinion". It's the clinical definition as established by the American Psychiatric Association.

still not understanding?

"DSM-5" (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) means that five of those listed criteria (in the bullets) must be present in the subject to diagnose Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

I understand that, never said otherwise.

 

[Pogo]

Whelp, there is a clinical definition we can go to rather than opinionate about what we see or don't see. I posted it back in 107. Here it is again.


Here are the medically accepted DSM-5 criteria ("DSM-5" means that five of the symptoms must exist for a diagnosis of NPD):

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerate achievements and talents
• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
• Take advantage of others to get what they want
• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Be envious of others and believe others envy them
• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

Sound familiar? Let's break 'em down step by step. I'll drop some examples in to get started, anyone can copy and add as they like -- note there is much overlap ---

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance --- "I alone can fix it". "I'm very smart". "I have a very good brain". "I know more than the generals". "I'm really really rich".... shoving a head of state aside... walking in front of the Queen... etc etc etc

• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration - “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p***y”.... I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose votes" ... "I got more electoral votes than anybody since Reagan"... "I can sort of get away with that [walking in on teenage girls' dressing rooms]"... rambling on and on and on and on for two hours plus at CPAC .... etc etc etc

• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it - "I will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created"... "I'm the least racist person ever".... "Nobody respects women more than me".... "Nobody builds walls like I do"...."All the women tried to flirt with me -- that's to be expected"... etc etc etc

• Exaggerate achievements and talents - see point above, as well as myriad provably false business claims including pretending to have Rump Water and Rump Steaks at a rally, both of which are extinct...playing down a "small loan from my father"... "we got more done than anybody since Truman"..... etc etc etc ---- and let's not leave out that crowning boil of pus, a fake Time Magazine cover

• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate -- not even enough room on the internet to fill this one out. Don't forget preoccupation with "ratings" and audience sizes here.

• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people - Also covered above, see also "shithole countries", see also disdainfully tossing rolls of paper towels at Puerto Rico, etc etc etc

• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior - Again, hardly enough bandwidth to handle from "low energy Jeb" to "little Marco" to "who would vote for that face" to "he's not a hero; I like people who weren't captured, OK?" to "Pocahontas" to "beat the crap out of 'em" to "blood coming out of her wherever" and "bleeding badly from a facelift".... mocking a reporter's congenital disability because he wouldn't lie for him..."get that sumbitch off the field, he's fired"..."I have a very good relationship with the blacks" and "look at my African American over here, look at him!"... add your own here

• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations - "I expect loyalty" to the head of FBI... Megyn Kelly question noted above... "little Bob Corker"... feuding with Jeff Sessions over recusal...

• Take advantage of others to get what they want - history of not paying workers. . veterans "charity" scandal... the entire Fraud University escapade summed up in its credo "You don't sell products, benefits or solutions --- you sell FEELINGS"... etc etc etc

• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others - Children in cages; "fire the sumbitches"... paper towel flinging at Puerto Rico.... "his wife didn't speak, maybe she wasn't allowed to speak".... etc etc etc

• Be envious of others and believe others envy them - see above "Ï'm really rich" and "flirting with me on the set" quotes... disinviting the World Champion Philadelphia Eagles... fueds with Jeff Bezos and Tim Apple.... etc etc

• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious HELLOOOO.....

• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office --- yeah I think we've got our five symptoms. I don't see a box here that CAN'T be checked.

That was fun, now let us move on to part two:

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment -- "witch hunts".... "press is very unfair" ... .SNL is very unfair".... "bleeding badly from a facelift" and "blood coming out of her wherever".... "the failing New York Times".... "maybe he should have been roughed up" .... etc etc etc

• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted -- again HELLOOOO.... staying up all night sending whiny tweets... massive desertions in the office, "fucking moron" and unstable assessments....

• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior - again, He's not a hero, he's only a hero because he was captured".... see also "little Marco", "little Bob Corker", "Pocahontas" et al above....

• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior -- "Obama tapppped my wires".... melting down at the impromptu Charlottesville news conference.... stalking around behind Clinton in debate.... etc etc etc

• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change - the Charlottesville "very fine people" meltdown cited above... the record government shutdown.... inability to handle questions on bankruptcies.... inability to deal with the press....

• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection - we can't tell, can we --- leads to the next:

• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation - obviously this is where it all starts. Here also goes inability to admit "Tim Apple" and "Marilyn Lockheed", "covfefe", "would means woudln't", the "very fine people" meltdown and the desperate attempt to deny jerking around to mock a reporter's disability, etc etc etc

and...? That has nothing to do with what I was speaking of but feel free to keep posting it over and over again.

Your opinion is one I don't share with you.

That isn't "opinion". It's the clinical definition as established by the American Psychiatric Association.

still not understanding?

"DSM-5" (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) means that five of those listed criteria (in the bullets) must be present in the subject to diagnose Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

I understand that, never said otherwise.

Okay, thought you just said you didn't.

 

[Papageorgio]

and...? That has nothing to do with what I was speaking of but feel free to keep posting it over and over again.

Your opinion is one I don't share with you.

That isn't "opinion". It's the clinical definition as established by the American Psychiatric Association.

still not understanding?

"DSM-5" (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) means that five of those listed criteria (in the bullets) must be present in the subject to diagnose Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

I understand that, never said otherwise.

Okay, thought you just said you didn't.

I said I don’t agree with your opinion, that’s it.

 

[Pogo]

That isn't "opinion". It's the clinical definition as established by the American Psychiatric Association.

still not understanding?

"DSM-5" (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) means that five of those listed criteria (in the bullets) must be present in the subject to diagnose Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

I understand that, never said otherwise.

Okay, thought you just said you didn't.

I said I don’t agree with your opinion, that’s it.

I know. Again, the list I posted is not 'opinion'. It's the clinical basis for diagnosis of what we're talking about.

Now if you can find a way to deny Rump fits every one of those symptoms as if he wrote the book, you have amazing powers of self-delusion.

Here's a psychologist explaining it. Note this video was made several years ago before Rump ran for office, yet there he is around 1:30

​

 

[Papageorgio]

still not understanding?

"DSM-5" (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) means that five of those listed criteria (in the bullets) must be present in the subject to diagnose Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

I understand that, never said otherwise.

Okay, thought you just said you didn't.

I said I don’t agree with your opinion, that’s it.

I know. Again, the list I posted is not 'opinion'. It's the clinical basis for diagnosis of what we're talking about.

Now if you can find a way to deny Rump fits every one of those symptoms as if he wrote the book, you have amazing powers of self-delusion.

Here's a psychologist explaining it. Note this video was made several years ago before Rump ran for office, yet there he is around 1:30

​

Look I know what a narcissist, so we agree, however I disagree with the rest of your opinion.

 

[Pogo]

"DSM-5" (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) means that five of those listed criteria (in the bullets) must be present in the subject to diagnose Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

I understand that, never said otherwise.

Okay, thought you just said you didn't.

I said I don’t agree with your opinion, that’s it.

I know. Again, the list I posted is not 'opinion'. It's the clinical basis for diagnosis of what we're talking about.

Now if you can find a way to deny Rump fits every one of those symptoms as if he wrote the book, you have amazing powers of self-delusion.

Here's a psychologist explaining it. Note this video was made several years ago before Rump ran for office, yet there he is around 1:30

​

Look I know what a narcissist, so we agree, however I disagree with the rest of your opinion.

Apparently you don't, since you just tried to deflate the whole thing by applying it to every POTUS.

​

 

[Natural Citizen]

Just be careful not to confuse narcissism with good old fashioned confidence.

 

[Papageorgio]

I understand that, never said otherwise.

Okay, thought you just said you didn't.

I said I don’t agree with your opinion, that’s it.

I know. Again, the list I posted is not 'opinion'. It's the clinical basis for diagnosis of what we're talking about.

Now if you can find a way to deny Rump fits every one of those symptoms as if he wrote the book, you have amazing powers of self-delusion.

Here's a psychologist explaining it. Note this video was made several years ago before Rump ran for office, yet there he is around 1:30

​

Look I know what a narcissist, so we agree, however I disagree with the rest of your opinion.

Apparently you don't, since you just tried to deflate the whole thing by applying it to every POTUS.

​

Nah, that again is your opinion of my opinion which I disagree with.

 

[daveman]

Are you kidding? This one speech by Obama satisfies the first three points:

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it

Run along now.

Interesting how I had thousands and thousands of examples, dancing on rooftops, while you have zero.
But who's counting.

So...you didn't even read what you copied and pasted.

What an idiot.

Why are liberals so terrified of criticizing their elite? Do you think Obama's gonna GITCHA?

I'm afraid Liberals don't have an "élite". That's the whole point of Liberalism. Once again the altimeter indicates plenty of clearance over the cranium.

Not to worry, because nothing in this thread is about Liberalism anyway. It's not even about politics. It's about psychology.


I hate to admit it but I do get a sadistic pleasure from watching Rumpbots desperately try to run to Orange Crash's defense in terms of "right" and "left" (or in this case "Liberal") as if that's even related

The perils of Dichotomy Disease. "must..... frame.... everything.... in.... Rebublicrat/Demoplican.... terms...... beep"

You never have explained how the modern left has anything to do with individual liberty -- besides wanting to take it away from people.

There's a damn good reason I've never explained that, and it is because I've never made that claim. On the contrary I've constantly pointed out that "left" is NOT "Liberal". Perhaps you were getting your hands loaded and missed it.

Maybe instead of David Gunnerhands we should call you Murky O'Blivious.

Well, aside from screeching NUH UH WERE JUST LIKE THE FOUNDING FATHERS, despite all evidence to the contrary.

And you pretending you don't subscribe to the same dichotomy is hilarious.

And by "hilarious", I mean "stupid, boring, and utterly predictable".

Y'know...kinda sounds like you have NPD, too. You sure do get upset when people don't kiss your ass in the manner to which you believe you're entitled.

Link?

I dunno, I'm not the one sporting an avatar pointing guns at people, so yeah Chuckles tell us all about insecurity.

I don't know why but I never get notifications for your what-you-call posts. Perhaps the site is testing a bullshit filter.

You claim to be a liberal.

Kindly point out your posts that advocate personal liberty and freedom from governmental interference.

I don't think I'll hold my breath.

I'd also like you to describe the people my avatar is pointing guns at. You feel threatened by a picture? You do know bullets don't change direction by 90 degrees, right?

 

[daveman]

I understand that, never said otherwise.

Okay, thought you just said you didn't.

I said I don’t agree with your opinion, that’s it.

I know. Again, the list I posted is not 'opinion'. It's the clinical basis for diagnosis of what we're talking about.

Now if you can find a way to deny Rump fits every one of those symptoms as if he wrote the book, you have amazing powers of self-delusion.

Here's a psychologist explaining it. Note this video was made several years ago before Rump ran for office, yet there he is around 1:30

​

Look I know what a narcissist, so we agree, however I disagree with the rest of your opinion.

Apparently you don't, since you just tried to deflate the whole thing by applying it to every POTUS.

​

Goodness, you sure are getting upset that people disagree with you.

Narcissist.

 

[Pogo]

Interesting how I had thousands and thousands of examples, dancing on rooftops, while you have zero.
But who's counting.

So...you didn't even read what you copied and pasted.

What an idiot.

Why are liberals so terrified of criticizing their elite? Do you think Obama's gonna GITCHA?

I'm afraid Liberals don't have an "élite". That's the whole point of Liberalism. Once again the altimeter indicates plenty of clearance over the cranium.

Not to worry, because nothing in this thread is about Liberalism anyway. It's not even about politics. It's about psychology.


I hate to admit it but I do get a sadistic pleasure from watching Rumpbots desperately try to run to Orange Crash's defense in terms of "right" and "left" (or in this case "Liberal") as if that's even related

The perils of Dichotomy Disease. "must..... frame.... everything.... in.... Rebublicrat/Demoplican.... terms...... beep"

You never have explained how the modern left has anything to do with individual liberty -- besides wanting to take it away from people.

There's a damn good reason I've never explained that, and it is because I've never made that claim. On the contrary I've constantly pointed out that "left" is NOT "Liberal". Perhaps you were getting your hands loaded and missed it.

Maybe instead of David Gunnerhands we should call you Murky O'Blivious.

Well, aside from screeching NUH UH WERE JUST LIKE THE FOUNDING FATHERS, despite all evidence to the contrary.

And you pretending you don't subscribe to the same dichotomy is hilarious.

And by "hilarious", I mean "stupid, boring, and utterly predictable".

Y'know...kinda sounds like you have NPD, too. You sure do get upset when people don't kiss your ass in the manner to which you believe you're entitled.

Link?

I dunno, I'm not the one sporting an avatar pointing guns at people, so yeah Chuckles tell us all about insecurity.

I don't know why but I never get notifications for your what-you-call posts. Perhaps the site is testing a bullshit filter.

You claim to be a liberal.

Kindly point out your posts that advocate personal liberty and freedom from governmental interference.

I don't think I'll hold my breath.

I'd also like you to describe the people my avatar is pointing guns at. You feel threatened by a picture? You do know bullets don't change direction by 90 degrees, right?

Urine luck Davey. Here's a brand-spankin'-new one. Be there or be unaware.

I said nothing there about "threatened". I noted which one of us is sporting a penis-compensator and which one isn't, and I noted how that's born of insecurity, so if anyone's "threatened" that be you.

 

[daveman]

So...you didn't even read what you copied and pasted.

What an idiot.

Why are liberals so terrified of criticizing their elite? Do you think Obama's gonna GITCHA?

I'm afraid Liberals don't have an "élite". That's the whole point of Liberalism. Once again the altimeter indicates plenty of clearance over the cranium.

Not to worry, because nothing in this thread is about Liberalism anyway. It's not even about politics. It's about psychology.


I hate to admit it but I do get a sadistic pleasure from watching Rumpbots desperately try to run to Orange Crash's defense in terms of "right" and "left" (or in this case "Liberal") as if that's even related

The perils of Dichotomy Disease. "must..... frame.... everything.... in.... Rebublicrat/Demoplican.... terms...... beep"

You never have explained how the modern left has anything to do with individual liberty -- besides wanting to take it away from people.

There's a damn good reason I've never explained that, and it is because I've never made that claim. On the contrary I've constantly pointed out that "left" is NOT "Liberal". Perhaps you were getting your hands loaded and missed it.

Maybe instead of David Gunnerhands we should call you Murky O'Blivious.

Well, aside from screeching NUH UH WERE JUST LIKE THE FOUNDING FATHERS, despite all evidence to the contrary.

And you pretending you don't subscribe to the same dichotomy is hilarious.

And by "hilarious", I mean "stupid, boring, and utterly predictable".

Y'know...kinda sounds like you have NPD, too. You sure do get upset when people don't kiss your ass in the manner to which you believe you're entitled.

Link?

I dunno, I'm not the one sporting an avatar pointing guns at people, so yeah Chuckles tell us all about insecurity.

I don't know why but I never get notifications for your what-you-call posts. Perhaps the site is testing a bullshit filter.

You claim to be a liberal.

Kindly point out your posts that advocate personal liberty and freedom from governmental interference.

I don't think I'll hold my breath.

I'd also like you to describe the people my avatar is pointing guns at. You feel threatened by a picture? You do know bullets don't change direction by 90 degrees, right?

Urine luck Davey. Here's a brand-spankin'-new one. Be there or be unaware.

I said nothing there about "threatened". I noted which one of us is sporting a penis-compensator and which one isn't, and I noted how that's born of insecurity, so if anyone's "threatened" that be you.

Ahhh. Doesn't really work, though. This is just leftist bitching about the Pentagon and the usual contempt for patriotism. Fail.

Meanwhile, the ol' gun-as-penis metaphor, so popular among liberals who can't make rational arguments.

If you were really a supporter of personal liberty, you wouldn't have such an irrational hatred of guns.

You fail yet again. You should be used to that by now. Run along now, little leftist.

 

[Pogo]

I'm afraid Liberals don't have an "élite". That's the whole point of Liberalism. Once again the altimeter indicates plenty of clearance over the cranium.

Not to worry, because nothing in this thread is about Liberalism anyway. It's not even about politics. It's about psychology.


I hate to admit it but I do get a sadistic pleasure from watching Rumpbots desperately try to run to Orange Crash's defense in terms of "right" and "left" (or in this case "Liberal") as if that's even related

The perils of Dichotomy Disease. "must..... frame.... everything.... in.... Rebublicrat/Demoplican.... terms...... beep"

You never have explained how the modern left has anything to do with individual liberty -- besides wanting to take it away from people.

There's a damn good reason I've never explained that, and it is because I've never made that claim. On the contrary I've constantly pointed out that "left" is NOT "Liberal". Perhaps you were getting your hands loaded and missed it.

Maybe instead of David Gunnerhands we should call you Murky O'Blivious.

Well, aside from screeching NUH UH WERE JUST LIKE THE FOUNDING FATHERS, despite all evidence to the contrary.

And you pretending you don't subscribe to the same dichotomy is hilarious.

And by "hilarious", I mean "stupid, boring, and utterly predictable".

Y'know...kinda sounds like you have NPD, too. You sure do get upset when people don't kiss your ass in the manner to which you believe you're entitled.

Link?

I dunno, I'm not the one sporting an avatar pointing guns at people, so yeah Chuckles tell us all about insecurity.

I don't know why but I never get notifications for your what-you-call posts. Perhaps the site is testing a bullshit filter.

You claim to be a liberal.

Kindly point out your posts that advocate personal liberty and freedom from governmental interference.

I don't think I'll hold my breath.

I'd also like you to describe the people my avatar is pointing guns at. You feel threatened by a picture? You do know bullets don't change direction by 90 degrees, right?

Urine luck Davey. Here's a brand-spankin'-new one. Be there or be unaware.

I said nothing there about "threatened". I noted which one of us is sporting a penis-compensator and which one isn't, and I noted how that's born of insecurity, so if anyone's "threatened" that be you.

Ahhh. Doesn't really work, though. This is just leftist bitching about the Pentagon and the usual contempt for patriotism. Fail.

Meanwhile, the ol' gun-as-penis metaphor, so popular among liberals who can't make rational arguments.

If you were really a supporter of personal liberty, you wouldn't have such an irrational hatred of guns.

You fail yet again. You should be used to that by now. Run along now, little leftist.

So you ask for a specific type of post, I give you a whole thread, and then you're afraid to even go there. Is that because you'll have to defend Big State? Poor baby.

Doesn't surprise me. I already noted the insecurity.

Oh and again, YOU chose the guns. I chose a pastoral game from 1853 or alternately, music. Both speak to our values, wouldn't you say.

 

[daveman]

You never have explained how the modern left has anything to do with individual liberty -- besides wanting to take it away from people.

There's a damn good reason I've never explained that, and it is because I've never made that claim. On the contrary I've constantly pointed out that "left" is NOT "Liberal". Perhaps you were getting your hands loaded and missed it.

Maybe instead of David Gunnerhands we should call you Murky O'Blivious.

Well, aside from screeching NUH UH WERE JUST LIKE THE FOUNDING FATHERS, despite all evidence to the contrary.

And you pretending you don't subscribe to the same dichotomy is hilarious.

And by "hilarious", I mean "stupid, boring, and utterly predictable".

Y'know...kinda sounds like you have NPD, too. You sure do get upset when people don't kiss your ass in the manner to which you believe you're entitled.

Link?

I dunno, I'm not the one sporting an avatar pointing guns at people, so yeah Chuckles tell us all about insecurity.

I don't know why but I never get notifications for your what-you-call posts. Perhaps the site is testing a bullshit filter.

You claim to be a liberal.

Kindly point out your posts that advocate personal liberty and freedom from governmental interference.

I don't think I'll hold my breath.

I'd also like you to describe the people my avatar is pointing guns at. You feel threatened by a picture? You do know bullets don't change direction by 90 degrees, right?

Urine luck Davey. Here's a brand-spankin'-new one. Be there or be unaware.

I said nothing there about "threatened". I noted which one of us is sporting a penis-compensator and which one isn't, and I noted how that's born of insecurity, so if anyone's "threatened" that be you.

Ahhh. Doesn't really work, though. This is just leftist bitching about the Pentagon and the usual contempt for patriotism. Fail.

Meanwhile, the ol' gun-as-penis metaphor, so popular among liberals who can't make rational arguments.

If you were really a supporter of personal liberty, you wouldn't have such an irrational hatred of guns.

You fail yet again. You should be used to that by now. Run along now, little leftist.

So you ask for a specific type of post, I give you a whole thread, and then you're afraid to even go there. Is that because you'll have to defend Big State? Poor baby.

Doesn't surprise me. I already noted the insecurity.

Oh and again, YOU chose the guns. I chose a pastoral game from 1853 or alternately, music. Both speak to our values, wouldn't you say.

Once again, we see a leftist revealing his homophobia. Now you get to lie about that again.

I went to your stupid leftist thread. I was unimpressed; it's nothing at all original.

Why are you so scared of a painting? What a weenie.